"The only way I'd play for [team name] is if they doubled my salary" [Archive]

kdub0982

08-25-2014, 02:42 PM

asujbl

08-25-2014, 02:45 PM

Not surprising.

Winning breeds more winning - and guys want to win. If any of those teams consistently made the playoffs then the votes would change.

I'd be curious, just as an Ohio guy, where the Bengals ranked compared to the Browns - because they've climbed the ladder I'm sure by actually winning games - and good for them.

Green Bay just gets killed by the fact that it's like negative a billion degrees all the time.

zonacats8

08-25-2014, 02:45 PM

Why are the Packers even on the list?

Samiamryan

08-25-2014, 02:46 PM

Packers at 5 with 6%?

ucLAkers

08-25-2014, 02:47 PM

I would have guessed the Packers & Cowboys at 0%

asujbl

08-25-2014, 02:48 PM

Why are the Packers even on the list?

Have you ever been to Green Bay?

It's not just small for NFL standards. It's small compared to any standard.

Players like tradition, and winning (as I noted), but they tend to want some sort of "City" as well - you're asking guys to play in cold weather and live in a town with 100,000 people.

Hell Buffalo is like 3X the size of GB if you don't even count the Niagara region.

panther252

08-25-2014, 03:01 PM

Have you ever been to Green Bay?

It's not just small for NFL standards. It's small compared to any standard.

Players like tradition, and winning (as I noted), but they tend to want some sort of "City" as well - you're asking guys to play in cold weather and live in a town with 100,000 people.

Hell Buffalo is like 3X the size of GB if you don't even count the Niagara region.

I guess that explains why Oakland is leading. You work so hard to get out of the ghetto, only to go back? That or it's because their playoff drought is about to hit puberty.

addicted36

08-25-2014, 03:12 PM

82 NFL players were polled anonymously which team they would consider is the least desirable to play for. The "winner"? The Oakland Raiders.

23% of the players answered the Raiders
Bills 19%
Browns 16%
Jacksonville 9%
Packers 6%

Thoughts?

NFL Nation Confidential -- Oakland Raiders least desirable team to play for - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11405668/nfl-nation-confidential-oakland-raiders-least-desirable-team-play-for)

Not surprising.

Surprising to me because it says loudly that these anonymous players do not think the Redskins name is either racist (come on seriously who would want to play on a racist team?) or a bad place to work. Not to bring the name debate into this but it was the first thought I had when I saw they didn't make this list

addicted36

08-25-2014, 03:12 PM

Why are the Packers even on the list?

My guess is the same reason people want to play for Miami, the weather

razorsharp

08-25-2014, 03:51 PM

Why are the Packers even on the list?

Because it's Green Bay, that's why.

Truly one of the ugliest cities in America.

wagoss122

08-25-2014, 04:01 PM

Because it's Green Bay, that's why.

Truly one of the ugliest cities in America.

Wow, I've never really thought about the city of Green Bay and its location since I've never been to Wisconsin...

So do the players live in Milwaukee and make the two hour drive to the games AND practices or something? Or do they have a little condo in the town...

Do most of the fans make a similar drive since the city is only 100,000?

What an odd place for a professional team to be located.

ekalbnz

08-25-2014, 04:04 PM

Ouch! But completely understandable. And another reason why the Raiders and Browns have had to overspend previously to get FA's to come and play for the team.

asujbl

08-25-2014, 04:05 PM

Wow, I've never really thought about the city of Green Bay and its location since I've never been to Wisconsin...

So do the players live in Milwaukee and make the two hour drive to the games AND practices or something? Or do they have a little condo in the town...

Do most of the fans make a similar drive since the city is only 100,000?

What an odd place for a professional team to be located.

I had a buddy that played for the Packers for a couple years - and he said it was just out of this world how crazy it was to live there during the season - and this was a small town guy.

Green Bay getting 6% of the votes has nothing to do with the team and everything to do with the location.

Places like Ohio State, Texas, or Arizona State are 50-60% the size of Green Bay. Think about that. That's just student population. Ohio Stadium alone can hold the entire population of Green Bay. Ohio State's campus becomes 2-3 times the size of Green Bay every Saturday with tailgating if you count the people outside the stadium just partying.

That's crazy talk.

Not to mention, and while lots of places are "cold weather", Green Bay has massive amounts of snow a good bit of the time - and with 100K people - they hardly plow it like Cleveland, Chicago, Minneapolis etc...

Samiamryan

08-25-2014, 04:13 PM

anusinha

08-25-2014, 04:18 PM

Al Davis was watching TV one day when he saw some Palestinian kid tossing large rocks at an Israeli tank from a large distance. Intrigued by the kids arm strength, he sent scouts over to evaluate the kid and eventually signed him to a contract to QB the Raiders. After winning his first 8 games he got a call from his Mother, "Son, you have to come home. Your sister was gang raped, you father beheaded, and our neighbors house was blown up." After that she breathed a long sigh, "Why did you make us move to Oakland?"

asujbl

08-25-2014, 04:22 PM

Samiamryan

08-25-2014, 04:28 PM

Your right, I made it up.

Greenfuzz

08-25-2014, 04:57 PM

Green Bay still has a full crowd every season no matter what happens. I happen to really like the stadium. I took a tour of the stadium and Packer HOF, and I really enjoyed going. However there really isn't a whole lot to do in Green Bay besides that :p

a1breakz

08-25-2014, 05:06 PM

I guess that explains why Oakland is leading. You work so hard to get out of the ghetto, only to go back? That or it's because their playoff drought is about to hit puberty.

hahahaha well put

SpastikMooss

08-25-2014, 05:08 PM

People see Green Bay population and think small. There are a lot of "suburbs" or smaller towns all connected. Then the fox cities is about 30 min away. Appleton, Neenah, Menasha, Kaukauna, Kimberly, Little Chute. Small towns all blended right together like on larger city. I live in Appleton and love it. Small town feel but we have everything you want. Plenty to do. College ave has a nice night life and plenty of festivals. All these together, its not much smaller than your average big city market. Probably half the crime too.

Reading this, it just feels like you've never been to a big city. And so your pieces of Wisconsin might feel big to you...but compared to real "cities" they're nothing.

I checked out your "college ave" on google street view...took a little virtual walk...and it definitely seems nice but I can think of like 10 cute little streets like that with good retail/nice restaurants/good night life in Cincinnati proper alone. Not talking suburbs 30 minutes away...I'm talking downtown or neighborhoods just outside. And Cincinnati is nothing compared to your real big cities.

Green Bay is just not a big city. I mean look at this list of cities by population - List of United States cities by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population)

Cincinnati ranks 65th...Green Bay is 272nd behind Wichita Falls, Centennial Colorado, and Lowell Massachusetts (which does not feel that big at all to me as a former Masshat).

It's great you love your city/suburbs of Wisconsin...that's awesome...but a bunch of cute suburbs with some nightlife around a 100,000 population does not = city.

BostonNut

08-25-2014, 05:10 PM

Green Bay is a metropolis compared to Foxborough and it is just as cold....I don't think that is it...

Have you ever been to Green Bay?

It's not just small for NFL standards. It's small compared to any standard.

Players like tradition, and winning (as I noted), but they tend to want some sort of "City" as well - you're asking guys to play in cold weather and live in a town with 100,000 people.

Hell Buffalo is like 3X the size of GB if you don't even count the Niagara region.

packman80

08-25-2014, 05:11 PM

GB was 5th because players are wusses and afraid to play in the cold.

ConRyl

08-25-2014, 05:13 PM

GB was 5th because players are wusses and afraid to play in the cold.

You know what's funny I was talking to Vance McDonald(TE for the 49ers) and I said something like I wish you were in Green and Gold and he said its too cold for him. Players really do take this into account.

Samiamryan

08-25-2014, 05:16 PM

Reading this, it just feels like you've never been to a big city. And so your pieces of Wisconsin might feel big to you...but compared to real "cities" they're nothing.

I checked out your "college ave" on google street view...took a little virtual walk...and it definitely seems nice but I can think of like 10 cute little streets like that with good retail/nice restaurants/good night life in Cincinnati proper alone. Not talking suburbs 30 minutes away...I'm talking downtown or neighborhoods just outside. And Cincinnati is nothing compared to your real big cities.

Green Bay is just not a big city. I mean look at this list of cities by population - List of United States cities by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population)

Cincinnati ranks 65th...Green Bay is 272nd behind Wichita Falls, Centennial Colorado, and Lowell Massachusetts (which does not feel that big at all to me as a former Masshat).

It's great you love your city/suburbs of Wisconsin...that's awesome...but a bunch of cute suburbs with some nightlife around a 100,000 population does not = city.

Nope. Frequent Chicago often, Been to New York, Washinton DC. ect.

I mean cities like Milwaukee, Cleveland, ect

Brafcauknid

08-25-2014, 05:16 PM

Im a raiders fan, but yea I don't blame players for not wanting to play there. Havent won in a long time, no stability in coaching staff, and the stadium....man is it bad, Easily the worst stadium in the league....a DIII college team would be embarrassed to play there(not even kidding).

MeteoriteGuy

08-25-2014, 05:17 PM

Your right, I made it up.

That's a little strong response.

I like in Wichita, Kansas, and we are 3-4 times the size of Green Bay (Wichita is the biggest city in Kansas for what that is worth), and we are still pretty much just a small town with almost no market.

Wichita, again, multiple times bigger then Green Bay, is a blimp on the radar compared to Buffalo, which as noted is not considered a big market.

davdukes4

08-25-2014, 05:23 PM

If Favre never played for the Packers I could see them being #1 on the list.

Green Bay still has a full crowd every season no matter what happens. I happen to really like the stadium. I took a tour of the stadium and Packer HOF, and I really enjoyed going. However there really isn't a whole lot to do in Green Bay besides that :p

It's not the stadium or the atmosphere of games that is the problem. It's that young men with millions of dollars in the bank don't want to spend the prime of their life in a small, family oriented town up in Wisconsin. It might be a nice place to grow old or to raise a child, but it is far from ideal for an NFL athlete.

wagoss122

08-25-2014, 05:33 PM

Green Bay is a metropolis compared to Foxborough and it is just as cold....I don't think that is it...

Foxborough is less than an hour away from one of the biggest/recognized cities in the country... no comparison to the sprawling metropolis of Milwaukee 2 hours away.

BostonNut

08-25-2014, 05:36 PM

Foxborough is less than an hour away from one of the biggest/recognized cities in the country... no comparison to the sprawling metropolis of Milwaukee 2 hours away.

Ever made the drive from Boston to Foxborough?

Didn't think so. Forget about it on a game day.

wagoss122

08-25-2014, 05:38 PM

Ever made the drive from Boston to Foxborough?

Didn't think so. Forget about it on a game day.

We're not talking about just game day hoss...

SpastikMooss

08-25-2014, 05:41 PM

Nope. Frequent Chicago often, Been to New York, Washinton DC. ect.

I mean cities like Milwaukee, Cleveland, ect

So not a BIG city...but a big city like Milwaukee or Cleveland.

Milwaukee which has no pro football team...and Cleveland which was #2 player vote for place they'd least like to play. So that's not saying much.

Ever made the drive from Boston to Foxborough?

Didn't think so. Forget about it on a game day.

We're talking about the players here, not the fans. If you lived in Foxborough during football season you'd have Boston to escape to during the week, not to mention other close dece cities like Providence.

If you live in Green Bay during football season...pickins are a little more slim.

hairysasquatch

08-25-2014, 05:41 PM

Where was Detroit? Maybe desirable because there's no pressure to win? (SRS)

packman80

08-25-2014, 06:42 PM

GB is what players need. No chance to go out and do something stupid to get in trouble with the law and the NFL. They are being paid millions of dollars to play a game focus on that. In the off-season if they want to go and party wherever that's fine but act like a pro during the season.

AlphaNOmega06

08-25-2014, 07:54 PM

Where was Detroit? Maybe desirable because there's no pressure to win? (SRS)

You must have never been to detroit or michigan.

That whole metro detroit area has a pretty lively night life/bar scene. Most players can live in ferndale, birmingham, royal oak, bloomfield hills, novi, etc and only have a 30 minute drive to get to the stadium. As bad as detroit is portrayed, its only certain parts you dont go to (as with any city).

dherm360

08-25-2014, 08:05 PM

You must have never been to detroit or michigan.

That whole metro detroit area has a pretty lively night life/bar scene. Most players can live in ferndale, birmingham, royal oak, bloomfield hills, novi, etc and only have a 30 minute drive to get to the stadium. As bad as detroit is portrayed, its only certain parts you dont go to (as with any city).

You can go anywhere in green bay

freethrowtommy

08-25-2014, 08:09 PM

Because it's Green Bay, that's why.

Truly one of the ugliest cities in America.

You spelled Detroit wrong.

packman80

08-25-2014, 08:11 PM

You spelled Detroit wrong.

Or Chicago either one is a bigger mess then GB.

SpastikMooss

08-25-2014, 08:38 PM

You can go anywhere in green bay

So as a football player...

you can either go to some parts of a city that are awesome but you need to avoid a few iffy spots

or you can go to all parts of a city that are kinda meh.

I'd choose option one 10 times out of 10. I'm hugely biased because I love gritty cities - I live in Cincy, LOVE Detroit, liked St. Louis the one time I got there, etc. But I think there's a lot more going on in most of those places and certainly in your true big cities than you'd get in like a Green Bay.

Or Chicago either one is a bigger mess then GB.

Did you just insinuate that Chicago is "one of the ugliest cities in America?"

Because if so wow...disagreed. Beautiful place lol.

packerfan4200

08-25-2014, 08:43 PM

So as a football player...

you can either go to some parts of a city that are awesome but you need to avoid a few iffy spots

or you can go to all parts of a city that are kinda meh.

I'd choose option one 10 times out of 10. I'm hugely biased because I love gritty cities - I live in Cincy, LOVE Detroit, liked St. Louis the one time I got there, etc. But I think there's a lot more going on in most of those places and certainly in your true big cities than you'd get in like a Green Bay.

Did you just insinuate that Chicago is "one of the ugliest cities in America?"

Because if so wow...disagreed. Beautiful place lol.

I have to agree with packman. Chicago is hideous and the rest of the state of Illinois is even worse. Driving through Illinois north to south takes about 6 hours but feels like 6 weeks. It's awful

SpastikMooss

08-25-2014, 08:44 PM

I have to agree with packman. Chicago is hideous and the rest of the state of Illinois is even worse. Driving through Illinois north to south takes about 6 hours but feels like 6 weeks. It's awful

Oh driving through Illinois definitely sucks. That and Indiana both.

But what parts of Chicago have you been in that you say it's hideous? I have a few friends who live there and I've never had a bad time in that city.

packman80

08-25-2014, 08:47 PM

So as a football player...

Did you just insinuate that Chicago is "one of the ugliest cities in America?"

Because if so wow...disagreed. Beautiful place lol.

Yes I did. Only reason to go to Chicago right now is to get shot in a drive-by shooting.

SpastikMooss

08-25-2014, 08:56 PM

Yes I did. Only reason to go to Chicago right now is to get shot in a drive-by shooting.

Dang.

Well to each their own I guess. If all you get out of Chicago is drive-bys then you have not seen any of the good parts of Chicago.

I'll also add, on that neighborhoodscout site that people like to share sometimes here, Chicago is an 8 (out of 100, 0 is terrifying, 100 is safe as heck).

Green Bay is a 21.

That's safer...but still not crazy safe. You have a 1 in 206 chance of being a victim of violent crime in Green Bay. In Chicago it's 1 in 99...which doubles your chances sure...but it's not like Green Bay is this perfect crime free zone.

runrickyrun

08-25-2014, 09:01 PM

With regards to GB, I think people don't enjoy playing there due to weather and because everyone in town would recognize you. Most guys probably want to live within a half hour of the stadium, so in a small town, you are a celebrity and under a microscope.

In addition to that, all these guys who like the night-life and want to be seen with celebrities and attend other sporting events probably don't have much to choose from in Green Bay.

packerfan4200

08-25-2014, 09:21 PM

Oh driving through Illinois definitely sucks. That and Indiana both.

But what parts of Chicago have you been in that you say it's hideous? I have a few friends who live there and I've never had a bad time in that city.

Yeah Indiana is bad too lol. I've been to chicago lots of times for various different reasons a it's just not my cup of tea I guess. I would say my favorite parts are wrigleyville neighborhood and downtown on the lake is nice. I just don't like all the concrete and traffic haha. That's mainly what I think of when I think chicago.

dherm360

08-25-2014, 09:23 PM

Dang.

Well to each their own I guess. If all you get out of Chicago is drive-bys then you have not seen any of the good parts of Chicago.

I'll also add, on that neighborhoodscout site that people like to share sometimes here, Chicago is an 8 (out of 100, 0 is terrifying, 100 is safe as heck).

Green Bay is a 21.

That's safer...but still not crazy safe. You have a 1 in 206 chance of being a victim of violent crime in Green Bay. In Chicago it's 1 in 99...which doubles your chances sure...but it's not like Green Bay is this perfect crime free zone.

that's because the people from Chicago are coming north

SpastikMooss

08-25-2014, 09:23 PM

Yeah Indiana is bad too lol. I've been to chicago lots of times for various different reasons a it's just not my cup of tea I guess. I would say my favorite parts are wrigleyville neighborhood and downtown on the lake is nice. I just don't like all the concrete and traffic haha. That's mainly what I think of when I think chicago.

Haha that's fair. Green Bay certainly has more green that Chicago.

Cubs_rock21

08-25-2014, 09:24 PM

Why are the Packers even on the list?

The weather

SpastikMooss

08-25-2014, 09:24 PM

that's because the people from Chicago are coming north

Serious or sarcasm?

dherm360

08-25-2014, 09:25 PM

a little of a and a little of B. I worked yesterday and there were on my shifts 14 arrests, 5 were from Chicago

Grid

08-26-2014, 01:05 PM

Surprising to me because it says loudly that these anonymous players do not think the Redskins name is either racist (come on seriously who would want to play on a racist team?) or a bad place to work. Not to bring the name debate into this but it was the first thought I had when I saw they didn't make this list

Surprising to me that you even made this association with this thread. With the money Washington over pays for middling or aged talent I'd assume people would want to play there just for that. Even though the team name is racist.

But if people did select Washington as a place they wouldn't want to play I'm sure it would have to do with nearly a decade without a single playoff win. 2006-2013. Or the fact they finished dead last in their division 6 out of those 8 years (once they finished 3rd). Just sayin.