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paul06901
08-26-2014, 01:30 AM
From: eBay Sellers Weigh in on eBay Mandatory Managed Returns (http://www.ecommercebytes.com/cab/abn/y14/m08/i25/s02)


"eBay is making a major change to the way buyers return items to sellers, and the overwhelming majority of sellers surveyed disagree with the policy. When asked, "Do you think eBay should institute the managed returns policy for all sellers," 94% of survey respondents said no.

By next year's holiday shopping season, all sellers will be forced into eBay Managed Returns, also known as Hassle Free Returns. And while the new policy is meant to make it easier for buyers to return items for any reason, the change may result in more listings offering a no-return policy to avoid the Managed Returns program, according to a survey of eBay sellers conducted by EcommerceBytes.

While only 15% of respondents currently have a no-returns policy, after Managed Returns becomes mandatory for listings with returns, 55% of respondents said they would institute a no-returns policy.

http://www.ecommercebytes.com/cab/abn/y14/m08/i25/images/ebay_managed_returns_chart_1.jpg

One of the reasons for sellers' attitudes may have to do in large part with the types of returns they deal with on eBay. 62% of respondents said they have experienced returns due to buyers remorse, while 36% of respondents said they have experienced returns as part of an attempt by buyers to scam them.

Over the past 12 months, have you experienced any transactions where the buyer has requested to return an item? (Check all that apply)

No, I've had no return requests 23.3%
Yes - due to buyer's remorse 62%
Yes - due to an error on my part 25.2%
Yes - due to an error by a third party 11.9%
Yes - as an attempt to scam me 36.2%

Another reason for disliking eBay's mandatory managed returns is due to the type of item sold - sellers gave additional perspective on eBay's new managed returns policy in the comments section of the survey, a small representation follows:

No returns on Health and Beauty products.

Sellers who sell pre-owned items particularly in the clothing, shoes and apparel categories should not be forced into the managed returns process. Of all the thrift, resale and consignment stores I shop at, only 2 large chains allow any returns.

If you are seller listing items like vintage car parts, antiques, etc. it is not appropriate. If you are selling items that you could list on Amazon, then it makes sense since it's a new item for resale.

Anything custom made should not have a returns policy and if they are paying actual cost of say 4-500.00 for freight on cabinets, why should I pay for return shipping because they changed their mind on stain.

Right now, eBay policy interferes with carrier insurance claims because returns void the insurance and causes the seller to lose money.

Don't push a no-hassle returns policy on your sellers until you've worked out all the kinks. Last night I wasted two hours on the phone with eBay customer service, merely trying to clear up a mess my buyer made unintentionally in the process of returning an item.

Leave sellers the option to opt out or amend your outrageous postage costs.

eBay are continually shouting about how they monitor the track record of buyers and sellers. So this time they should consider the sellers track record. Those who have received complaints for their returns should be opted in, those that have a properly functioning and acceptable alternative should not. eBay should also consider the costs.

I opted in to managed returns and have had 4 returns through it. 2 were for buyer's remorse, and 2 falsely claimed SNAD to get their shipping paid both ways. The former 2 count against me as defects, and there is no way to remove them. Because of this, I am planning on not offering returns at all in the future, since the managed returns system makes it too easy to get defects.

The vast majority of sellers know what they are doing and already provide great service. Trying to shoehorn all of us into a 1 size fits all returns service is idiotic and just makes things that much harder for sellers.

Managed returns will only leave sellers even more open to dishonest buyers who will select that the item was damaged etc to avoid paying to return items.

Almost 20% of respondents were unsure how they will handle returns when eBay's new Managed Returns policy goes into effect and the same percentage said they were uncertain whether they would change their selling behavior."

Johnson
08-26-2014, 01:23 PM
as a seller i don't like it but as a buyer would u prefer to buy from walmart or joe schmo store when it comes to returns?

if sellers were doing their jobs they wouldn't feel the need to alter their policies, as a buyer if i spend over $20 i know the odds of me not bein satisfied w my purchase increase drastically, it is a similar situation why they now charge for buy nows, too many sellers took advantage of the old policy w ridiculously high prices that would never sell

paul06901
08-26-2014, 02:54 PM
Very true, but too much power is being given to buyers in general.

I mean, there should be "Tiers" to sellers that actually MATTER.

For example, a 0 feedback seller should not be regulated the same as a 100,000FB seller! It's ridiculous!

And eBay has to make a better stance on the fact that people are selling a lot of "pre-owned" goods. Therefore a return policy is not as simple.



It would be nice if the world were full of logical, honest people. Unfortunately it isn't, so it would be great if eBay could find a way to at least protect those people who pay their salaries! ;)

Brobocop
08-26-2014, 03:11 PM
I've touched on this in previous posts about the subject. It's silly to think that eBay is out to get the sellers since if there were no sellers there would be no way for eBay to make the money it does today. I know probably 99%+ of the people on here are honest sellers and do the right thing 100% of the time. But we are not the majority of people on eBay. People on blowout probably represent about .05% of the total eBay sellers, probably less. When eBay makes changes like this, it tells me that there are a lot more scumbag sellers than scumbag buyers. When that tips the other way eBay will probably start to enforce rules that protect the seller. But unfortunately, it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the bunch. I think that is what we are seeing. You still have tons of sellers out there who are gaming the system and taking advantage of people. And you probably have a fair amount of buyers who take it on the chin since they may not know their rights as a buyer.

I have no big issue with eBay because it's their site and they can choose to run it how they see fit. It's still the best place to go to sell an item since it has the biggest user base. Don't be mad at eBay, be mad at all the scumbags out there who take advantage of people, buy side and sell side.

shrevecity
08-26-2014, 03:31 PM
I've touched on this in previous posts about the subject. It's silly to think that eBay is out to get the sellers since if there were no sellers there would be no way for eBay to make the money it does today. I know probably 99%+ of the people on here are honest sellers and do the right thing 100% of the time. But we are not the majority of people on eBay. People on blowout probably represent about .05% of the total eBay sellers, probably less. When eBay makes changes like this, it tells me that there are a lot more scumbag sellers than scumbag buyers. When that tips the other way eBay will probably start to enforce rules that protect the seller. But unfortunately, it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the bunch. I think that is what we are seeing. You still have tons of sellers out there who are gaming the system and taking advantage of people. And you probably have a fair amount of buyers who take it on the chin since they may not know their rights as a buyer.

I have no big issue with eBay because it's their site and they can choose to run it how they see fit. It's still the best place to go to sell an item since it has the biggest user base. Don't be mad at eBay, be mad at all the scumbags out there who take advantage of people, buy side and sell side.

Ebays CEO has stated numerous times in the past small sellers are just noise that they mean little to Ebays bottom line. These new policies do not hurt the large sellers, they hit the small sellers hard though.

Ebay policies make it far easier for a buyer to game the system than sellers. A seller can only get away with it for so long there are buyers out there who get everything they "buy" on Ebay for free. There used to be tons of videos on YOUtube that taught buyers how to get anything for free on Ebay.

Johnson
08-26-2014, 05:58 PM
Very true, but too much power is being given to buyers in general.

It would be nice if the world were full of logical, honest people. Unfortunately it isn't, so it would be great if eBay could find a way to at least protect those people who pay their salaries! ;)


i think the bigger problem is ebay's greed and unwillingness to enforce their rules that they made up, as long as they get their 10% they just don't care what happens beyond that good or bad

Johnson
08-26-2014, 06:10 PM
Ebays CEO has stated numerous times in the past small sellers are just noise that they mean little to Ebays bottom line. These new policies do not hurt the large sellers, they hit the small sellers hard though.



if i'm not acquiring new inventory or customers then my sales will drop not grow, ebay is no different just on a much larger scale but from both the buying and selling side! they will always have new buyers but if they don't harvest new sellers and work w them they will not grow their business, it just shows how greedy and ignorant they really are

cowboyfaninlr
08-26-2014, 07:06 PM
While I don't like the mandatory returns, I haven't really had a problem in the past and the returns I have had are when I screwed up a order but I resolved it quickly, no issues. You have to remember the VAST pool of buyers provided by eBay. I know their rules get anal but do what I did go try another sites and see how your sales go there...I tried Collector Revolution for about 6 months and sold ~100 cards (I'm still #9 on the all time seller list :eek:) during the entire time I did buy a lot of cards from a handful of sellers there and had no problems...I do use Sportlots and sales are decent but it just takes time to list and organize the cards (mostly commons). Personally I would rather pay eBay fees and deal with their rules and SELL CARDS vs. free listings and lower fees on CR or other sites where the traffic and sales suck...

shrevecity
08-26-2014, 07:15 PM
While I don't like the mandatory returns, I haven't really had a problem in the past and the returns I have had are when I screwed up a order but I resolved it quickly, no issues. You have to remember the VAST pool of buyers provided by eBay. I know their rules get anal but do what I did go try another sites and see how your sales go there...I tried Collector Revolution for about 6 months and sold ~100 cards (I'm still #9 on the all time seller list :eek:) during the entire time I did buy a lot of cards from a handful of sellers there and had no problems...I do use Sportlots and sales are decent but it just takes time to list and organize the cards (mostly commons). Personally I would rather pay eBay fees and deal with their rules and SELL CARDS vs. free listings and lower fees on CR or other sites where the traffic and sales suck...

Nearly every return I have ever had has been due to buyers remorse, not anything wrong with the item, the buyer just changed their mind. By forcing sellers into managed returns all a buyer will do is change their mind and then tell Ebay that there is something wrong with the item, even when there is not and Ebay will force the seller to pay for return shipping as well, this is the issue most sellers are having with the issue.

cowboyfaninlr
08-26-2014, 08:29 PM
Nearly every return I have ever had has been due to buyers remorse, not anything wrong with the item, the buyer just changed their mind. By forcing sellers into managed returns all a buyer will do is change their mind and then tell Ebay that there is something wrong with the item, even when there is not and Ebay will force the seller to pay for return shipping as well, this is the issue most sellers are having with the issue.

I agree 100% but what can we as sellers do? Nothing really if we want to use ebay....I think it will be more of an issue with the new releases and those who prospect which is why I am working to sell off all my newer releases and am working toward strictly vintage by Jan 2015. Vintage buyers seem to happy with accurate grades and good pics of the card and I have an extensive vintage inventory I was planning to pass on to my 22 yr old son but he has no interest in cards and I have been buying vintage sets and lots for a few months now.

LordLansdowne
08-27-2014, 02:40 AM
I really don't sorry about returns for the core product. I've had one BS return and it was an idiot who thought they paid too much for a Superfractor.

Sent it back to me and the BGS case was totally destroyed in transit. I'd be more worried about it if my real business was cards though.

checkoutmydeals
08-27-2014, 07:34 AM
I'd be more worried about it if my real business was furniture.