Lesnar VS Carwin in Vegas

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[fm8418]

Can't wait for this and the Wanderlei fight. The card isn't great as their making it sound, 117 is crazy good though.

[gman71]

Rest of the card doesn't have to be that good with the potential of the main event. Just having Brock back in the ring will have this be one of the biggest PPV buys in a while for them.

Now I just need to really really work on someone to get me 2 tix

[chansen10]

Brock is back babby!!!!!!!

[Zerokruel]

Rest of the card doesn't have to be that good with the potential of the main event. Just having Brock back in the ring will have this be one of the biggest PPV buys in a while for them.

Now I just need to really really work on someone to get me 2 tix

You mean at least 3! I need another reason to go back to Vegas! :devil:

[fm8418]

Honestly you need a good undercard with a main event like this because this fight could last seconds and with tickets starting at $100, it's crazy

[BroncosFAN#1]

I know its my turn to order the fight and Im happy for that considering its this one. Im not gonna underestimate Carwin anymore though but I do think Brock will pound his head in, but he hasnt fought for a while so Im not sure.

[wolffer12]

I've gotta pull for my buddy Shane. I hope he is feeling a little better than he was a couple weeks ago. I can't wait for this fight so he can shut Brock up for good and he can go back to the WWF where he belongs.

[fm8418]

Carwin is awesome at signing autos, just send them to him and he will do it. Also if you buy his walkout tee and take a picture wearing it then send it to him on twitter he will send you a signed 8x10

[chansen10]

. I can't wait for this fight so he can shut Brock up for good and he can go back to the WWF where he belongs.


Brock doesnt belong in the wwf at all . He has proven he is one of the top heavyweights

[fm8418]

Brock doesnt belong in the wwf at all . He has proven he is one of the top heavyweights

no, no he hasn't. He lays on people.

[chansen10]

actually yeah he has. laying on people and knocking their face in is part of mma.

[fm8418]

actually yeah he has. laying on people and knocking their face in is part of mma.

And that would be what's wrong with most MMA fans if they think that is anything.

[chansen10]

have you ever been to a college wrestling match for god sake half the match your laying ontop of the guy fighting for position so yea i consider it mma

[fm8418]

Lesnar doesnt even fight for any position. He's good because he weighs close to 290 come fight night.

It's horrible for the sport. They need to create a suoer heavyweight class for people like Lesnar. The 205-265 is way too wide.

[Zerokruel]

have you ever been to a college wrestling match for god sake half the match your laying ontop of the guy fighting for position so yea i consider it mma

Doing that in PRIDE would have got you a yellow card. Oh, and I did wrestle in College - and lay in pray was about points. There is no point system in MMA like there is in wrestling.

Also, Brock is talented - but he did not deserve the title fight. So many fighters in that division had more wins than him and they don't get top fights as soon as he did. Bobbie Lashley is doing it right. He knows he can get a contract in the UFC, but he actually wants to earn the fans and competitors respect and work his way up.

[mma138]

Lesnar doesnt even fight for any position. He's good because he weighs close to 290 come fight night.

It's horrible for the sport. They need to create a suoer heavyweight class for people like Lesnar. The 205-265 is way too wide.


thats the same thing as saying anderson silva wins only becasue of his striking.

brock is the champion for a reason , he finds a way to win. he's good becasue of this or that............ so what ????????? he wins ......

[wolffer12]

Who has Brock beaten that is worth a crap?

[Zerokruel]

Who has Brock beaten that is worth a crap?

This is the thing. It's really too not impressive. 4-1 record, holly crap he is the god of Heavy Weights!

Min Soo Kim - Who?

Heath Herring - Decent win , but Heath hasn't been impressive in a while.

Rany Couture - Okay, I like Randy but his record is not impressive and he is not young or in his prime.

Frank Mir - This guy has been a train wreck since he got back in the UFC. He has been so up and down, you are never sure with Mir you are going to get. Plus, he still lost to Frank the first time the fought.

[wolffer12]

Brock got put on the fast track to be the champion all for ratings in the sport. He hasn't beaten anybody worth a crap and will be shown as the fraud he is come July 3rd as long as Shane is fine. Book it!

[chansen10]

Are you kidding me brock hasn't beat anyone who the hell do you think frank mir is he's a top heavyweight don't say he hasn't beaten anyone. And it doesn't matter your fight style as long as you win

[fm8418]

thats the same thing as saying anderson silva wins only becasue of his striking.

brock is the champion for a reason , he finds a way to win. he's good becasue of this or that............ so what ????????? he wins ......

Silva is all around great he just doesnt use it. Brock has horrible standup but great power. Brock doesn't have good ground either besides Lay and Pray.

I rather see good fights than who cares he wins. People like Guida because he puts on good fights but doesn't win all the time.

Are you kidding me brock hasn't beat anyone who the hell do you think frank mir is he's a top heavyweight don't say he hasn't beaten anyone. And it doesn't matter your fight style as long as you win

Mir is a top heavyweight because the HW division was horrible and had no opponents. It's now getting better.

[Zerokruel]

Are you kidding me brock hasn't beat anyone who the hell do you think frank mir is he's a top heavyweight don't say he hasn't beaten anyone. And it doesn't matter your fight style as long as you win

Brock also lost to Mir, by a freaking KNEE BAR!!! Hello, a KNEE BAR!

[chansen10]

a kneebar gee all you guys do is bitch about how everyone wins a win is a win. And still to this day in the divison mir is a top 5 fighter.

[fm8418]

A Win is not always a Win. Glad you can be blind to everything. Then again is useless arguing with a Lesnar superfan. He's good, just not that good.

[Zerokruel]

a kneebar gee all you guys do is bitch about how everyone wins a win is a win. And still to this day in the divison mir is a top 5 fighter.

Not a chance. I just looked at 5 different site, and only one had Mir at #5. The rest had him ranked as low as #17. I'm actually a huge Mir fan, but his game is lacking and very old.

Lesnar is talented, yes. Deserving of is fights so far, not at all. Please, try to argue that fact. People like Carwin, Velasquez, and JDS are proven heavy weights. Their records also show how talented they are. Let's start calling Brock a great fighter when he has 10 fights - at least!

[gman71]

Are you kidding me brock hasn't beat anyone who the hell do you think frank mir is he's a top heavyweight don't say he hasn't beaten anyone. And it doesn't matter your fight style as long as you win

Haha,not saying much at all that Mir is a top heavyweight. The division stinks,and he has not been good in a while.

[mma138]

Brock also lost to Mir, by a freaking KNEE BAR!!! Hello, a KNEE BAR!



he should have won that fight , mir was in a lot of trouble. mazz saved him. usually a fighter gets a warning before the point is deducted. so the way i see it brock is not 4 and 1 he 4 and a mazzagati


brock hasnt beat anyone are you guys crazy ??????

you guys have any idea how much experience herring has ? and who he has fought ? mir is another tough guy . you say couture is old ? well he had no problem keeping brock up against the cage ... pretty strong for a old guy .

if carwin can get lesnar up against the cage like he did with mir and land a couple of shots then i can see him maybe winning. but it's not going to happen we all know brock is going in for the takedown .

[fm8418]

Couture has been washed up for years and has no place in any division.

Where is Herring now? It wasnt that long ago.

[cdub6238]

Who has Brock beaten that is worth a crap?

Not a chance. I just looked at 5 different site, and only one had Mir at #5. The rest had him ranked as low as #17. I'm actually a huge Mir fan, but his game is lacking and very old.

Lesnar is talented, yes. Deserving of is fights so far, not at all. Please, try to argue that fact. People like Carwin, Velasquez, and JDS are proven heavy weights. Their records also show how talented they are. Let's start calling Brock a great fighter when he has 10 fights - at least!

these arguments are so freakin hilarious cant contain myself..i mean im no UFC junkie and dont order the PPVs..i do keep up with most the big names and the results/replays etc

i agree on 1 point-i do believe Brock was put on the fast track for ratings purposes..butim not sure if anybody expected him to do so good so fast..

so lets see who has Brock beaten?

Heath Herring...well he might not have the best record, but as somebody pointed out with a career with fights against Vitor Belfort, Antonio Noguiera 3 times, Fedor Emelianenko, Mirko Cro Cop, Cheick Kongo...id say thats a pretty good career wether he won or lost...anybody else have a resume like that?

Randy Couture-welli think this name speaks for itself...he might be older, he wont the Heavywieght title from Tim Sylvia-whol ast i checked was even bigger than Brock...he then beat Gabriel Gonzaga (who had just beaten Cro Cop to become #1 contender) by TKO punches..then his next 2 losses (Lesnar and Noguiera) hardly anything to be ashamed of..and his last 2 fights were wins against Vera and Coleman

Frank Mir-lets see..beat Tim Sylvia for the UFC Heavyweight title in 2004..the past 3 years he has the win over Lesnar, win over Antonio Noguiera, loss against Lesnar, Win against Cheick Kongo and his last loss against Carwin..doesnt seem that bad too me does it?

now..you wanna say Carwin is a proven Heavyweight? really? you wanna ask who has Brock beaten and question him and then make this statement? lmao

Carwin:

12-0 record..impressive..oh wait let me see..

his first 7 wins were against: Carlton Jones, Casey Jackson, Jay McCown, Justice Smith, Chris Guillen, Rick Slaton, Rex Richards...anybody ever heardof any of these guys?

ok how obut in UFC, Sherman Pendergast..anyone? Christian Wellisch?? Neil Wain?? anyone? Beuller..Beuller..anybody know these guys?

only his last 2 fights against Gabriel Gonzaga and Frank Mir show me anything..

not saying he isnt a good fighter or anything..or that he didnt take the right approach by startinglow and slow and improving, not knocking that at all

but your view of who has Brock beaten vs Carwin is a legitamte proven heavyweight? now thats a joke

[mma138]

great post

[fm8418]

Mir is the best fighter he has fought and he lost and was taken to the 2nd round and that was a weaker Mir than Carwin faced.

Carwin destroyed Mir.

Herring hasnt fought since Lesnar as he's focusing on movies. Couture was no challenge to Lesnar as it was obvious it was to give Lesnar the belt.

Couture beating Coleman, Vera, Sylvia might have been impressive 5-6 years ago but not anymore.

Couture is just a name anymore.

[cdub6238]

Mir is the best fighter he has fought and he lost and was taken to the 2nd round and that was a weaker Mir than Carwin faced.

Carwin destroyed Mir.

Herring hasnt fought since Lesnar as he's focusing on movies. Couture was no challenge to Lesnar as it was obvious it was to give Lesnar the belt.

Couture beating Coleman, Vera, Sylvia might have been impressive 5-6 years ago but not anymore.

Couture is just a name anymore.

ok so let me get this straight here...

Frank Mir was the best fighter hes faced..yes he lost IN HIS FIRST UFC FIGHT AGAINST THIS COMPETITION...if i remember correctly, Lesnar was dominating the fight until he made a mistake and got caught...IN HIS FIRST FIGHT..and your holding that against him?

and how exactly did Carwin destroy Mir more than Lesnar did in his second match? because he got a KO compared to a TKO by punches from Lesnar? the fact that he alst a whole 3 MINUTES LONGER in the 2nd Lesnar fight than against Carwin?

come on now man...

and what exactly is the relevance of what herring has done since the Lesnar fight? how does that take away that he was a very experienced fighter, as i pointed out with his resume?

i dont really care 1 way or another about either fighter or who wins..i just find it hilarious that you point all this out about Lesnar...but somehow Carwin is the more proven heavyweight?

How? Why? because he has more fights under his belts..against no names?? maybe thats true..if thats your argument, you still cant deny Lesnar's apparant talent, as after that first mistake and loss to Mir hes came back with a vengeance and beaten more established veterans than Carwin has period.

[Razorsharp79]

Carwin will KO him quick, 100 bucks a pop not worth it with garbage for the undercard, Gonzaga was not a no name either. He almost killed crocop with that leg kick. Lesnar is the white version of Kimbo Slice only better at wrestling IMO. He has fought what 3 or 4 times and everybody wants to brag about how good he is, give me a break. UFC PPV are not near as good as they were two or three years ago before the whole lesnar era. I watched everyone of the PPVS now I only watch one or two a year, wont be long before they are begging fedor to come fight to save their sport.

[fm8418]

I dont remember saying much about Carwin ..... just that Lesnar isn't all that. It's funny watching you get your panties in a bunch over Lesnar. I don't think there's enough evidence to support Lesnar as this allmighty top heavyweight. I hope Carwin wins.

I said Brock has great power and does lay and pray which is a technique but not one I like. It wears down his opponents who are smaller than him.

[cdub6238]

I dont remember saying much about Carwin ..... just that Lesnar isn't all that. It's funny watching you get your panties in a bunch over Lesnar. I don't think there's enough evidence to support Lesnar as this allmighty top heavyweight. I hope Carwin wins.

I said Brock has great power and does lay and pray which is a technique but not one I like. It wears down his opponents who are smaller than him.

guess i didnt really mean to single you out..guess it was more of a combo of you, Wolffer and i think Zerokruel was the 1 that made the comment about Carwin being the more proven Heavyweight or something..my bad

i dont have my panties in a bunch at all..like i said i dont really care who wins the fight..i just find these arguments against Lesnar attacking well he hasnt beat anybody etc to be a joke when Carwin has faced even lesser competition himself

im not saying Brock is the best, or that Carwin isnt good...but if ur gonna argue saying blah ur a Lesnar superfan..well the same can be said for those arguin for Carwin, since they seem to not want to talk about his resume..especially when Wolffer seems to be a "buddy"-not that thats bad, just sayin..call some else out for bein a homer fan, only works if u can admit it 2

[mma138]

Carwin will KO him quick, 100 bucks a pop not worth it with garbage for the undercard, Gonzaga was not a no name either. He almost killed crocop with that leg kick. Lesnar is the white version of Kimbo Slice only better at wrestling IMO. He has fought what 3 or 4 times and everybody wants to brag about how good he is, give me a break. UFC PPV are not near as good as they were two or three years ago before the whole lesnar era. I watched everyone of the PPVS now I only watch one or two a year, wont be long before they are begging fedor to come fight to save their sport.



wow huge insult , he's the white kimbo.............. you have any idea what brock has accomplished in his short life.

[fm8418]

wow huge insult , he's the white kimbo.............. you have any idea what brock has accomplished in his short life.

WWE Champ and UFC?

[Zerokruel]

Brock is good, IMO I think he just gets too much credit for the very little he has done or given to MMA. I'm not going to sit here and be part of the fan boy crew. This gets old quick and no one is right or wrong. Insult me some more, I really don't care.

[chansen10]

i think brock is much more proven then carwin look what brock did in college and the mma much more impressive then what carwin has done

[fm8418]

i think brock is much more proven then carwin look what brock did in college and the mma much more impressive then what carwin has done

The thing is you can't count what he did in college. This fight should tell you all you need to know about both fighters. Carwin has twice as many MMA fights though not against the same talent level at all.

[wolffer12]

Ummm, I guess Shane didn't do squat in college. D-II national champion, NFL try outs for the NE Patroits and Philadelphia Eagles don't matter.

[chansen10]

D-II is completely different than DI thatas all i have to say

[Zerokruel]

D-II is completely different than DI thatas all i have to say

You competed?

[chansen10]

I know alot of people former coaches and on both sides they agreed that the talent in DI is to much for DII, A buddy of my mine wreslted and played football at penn state but transfered to a DII school and said that the level of competeion is so differnt in DII. From his thoughts he said that the top wresltlers in DII would probably not make the top 30 in DI. But ill hopefully be able to telll you the difference in two years once i get a scholorship:)

[Razorsharp79]

Regardless it will be fun watching Carwin KO Lesnar. Guy has serious knockout power in both hands. The best fight in the HW IMO is Cain vs Shane, both are phenomenal strikers with the edge going to Cain who is more technical whereas Carwin is more street. Lesnar cannot win on his feet, only if he gets Carwin on the ground will he stand a chance, but Carwin may knock him out on the way in, who knows, cannot wait!!!

[coclarkson]

Brock will win 2nd round, ref stoppage. Can't stop the Lesnar ground and pound

now bring on roy nelson!

[mickdapug]

carwin 2nd round destruction of rusty brock!!

[Jolietracing]

Lesnar will get his ass kicked. Let's all hope!

[mnvikingstwins]

Fights start at 9 CST tonight right? I'll be watching it, Lesnar will win.

[rodfan316]

so what do the doubters say now?

[chansen10]

I've gotta pull for my buddy Shane. I hope he is feeling a little better than he was a couple weeks ago. I can't wait for this fight so he can shut Brock up for good and he can go back to the WWF where he belongs.

Brock wins sucks for all you that dont think brock belongs in the ufc since he only has stand up well knews for you he made shane tap out bitchess

[kajshack]

Brock wins sucks for all you that dont think brock belongs in the ufc since he only has stand up well knews for you he made shane tap out bitchess

I'm sure all the Lesnar haters will be coming on here any minute to talk about how the ref should've stopped it in the 1st round. I've already heard that from some of my buddies that came over to watch the fight. Or they just won't come back to this thread at all, which is a common tactic when some of these posters (who will remain nameless) when they are proven wrong.

Fact of the matter is that Lesnar is unstoppable. They'll feed him Cain Velasquez next, and that will be an absolute joke of a fight. After that, I'm not sure...Nogueira? Carwin rematch? Junior Dos Santos? I don't see anybody on the current UFC heavyweight roster that can truly challenge Brock.

[chansen10]

No can challenge brock at all. Hes to damn big. But iknow no one wants me to say this but that Bobby Lashley formally in the wwe looks pretty damn good and he has the same strength of brock

[steelheader]

Love it, Lesnar goes to the old youth wrestling move, the infamous "Head and Arm" That is one very powerful man.

[pskell02]

I'm torn on this fight. I wanted to see Carwin win but wouldn't have been upset to see Lesner win. Had Carwin kept it on the feet, I think he would have won. I didn't think he had a chance on the ground with Lesner on top. Glad it was a good fight. I don't see Cain winning against Lesner. I would expect to see that fight then a rematch with Carwin. If Nogueira gets a shot I will be completely disappointed. He lost that match a few weeks ago, I don't give a damn what the cards read.

[fm8418]

The fight should've been stopped and I have no bias. Brock wasn't defending himself, looked just like the Mir-Carwin fight to me.

[fm8418]

I'm torn on this fight. I wanted to see Carwin win but wouldn't have been upset to see Lesner win. Had Carwin kept it on the feet, I think he would have won. I didn't think he had a chance on the ground with Lesner on top. Glad it was a good fight. I don't see Cain winning against Lesner. I would expect to see that fight then a rematch with Carwin. If Nogueira gets a shot I will be completely disappointed. He lost that match a few weeks ago, I don't give a damn what the cards read.

Lil Nog fights at Light heavyweight, not Heavyweight

[tattooelement]

If this was a non title fight, it would have been stopped in the first. In title fights, if memory serves, they will not stop it too quick. Pretty much have to knock out or submit the opponent for stoppage.

Disappointed that Carwin couldn't pull off the win. He basically handed the fight to Brock once he punched himself out. Had no strength/cardio left after that. That said, Brock got the V and looking forward to a rematch!

[fm8418]

If this was a non title fight, it would have been stopped in the first. In title fights, if memory serves, they will not stop it too quick. Pretty much have to knock out or submit the opponent for stoppage.


Yeah this is what we were basically saying. Brock got the win and desreves credit.

[kajshack]

The fight should've been stopped and I have no bias. Brock wasn't defending himself, looked just like the Mir-Carwin fight to me.

Right on cue...

[fm8418]

Right on cue...

Im happy brock won, it's good for the UFC

Doesn't mean I wanted him to win or like watching his fights really.

[mma138]

carwin impressed me for sure . but what a great comeback by lesnar. damn im glad he won

[sidelinecards]

guess you were wrong? HAHASilva is all around great he just doesnt use it. Brock has horrible standup but great power. Brock doesn't have good ground either besides Lay and Pray.

I rather see good fights than who cares he wins. People like Guida because he puts on good fights but doesn't win all the time.



Mir is a top heavyweight because the HW division was horrible and had no opponents. It's now getting better.

[gman71]

If Carwin had any type of cardio or wind,he would have put Brock away in that 1st round. Every punch had less behind it and it was a matter of time after Brock survived the round before it was over.

Carwin needs to train for a fight that goes more than 1 round if/when they have the rematch

[ronlabo]

If Carwin had any type of cardio or wind,he would have put Brock away in that 1st round. Every punch had less behind it and it was a matter of time after Brock survived the round before it was over.

Carwin needs to train for a fight that goes more than 1 round if/when they have the rematch

i agree...but honestly the fight should have been stopped in the 1st, as someone previously stated looked eerily similiar to the carwin/mir fight, lesner was doing absolutely nothing to defend himself and he was definately chipped up. but fights do go more than 1 round and carwin needs to prove he can be effective after round 1, he didnt show that last nite:cool:

[caltek3]

I'm torn on this fight. I wanted to see Carwin win but wouldn't have been upset to see Lesner win. Had Carwin kept it on the feet, I think he would have won. I didn't think he had a chance on the ground with Lesner on top. Glad it was a good fight. I don't see Cain winning against Lesner. I would expect to see that fight then a rematch with Carwin. If Nogueira gets a shot I will be completely disappointed. He lost that match a few weeks ago, I don't give a damn what the cards read.

i believe that they said cain gets the next shot then jds and roy nelson will fight for the # 1 contender fight...

[Zerokruel]

Carwin just gassed. But damn, I am shocked the ref didn't stop it. After seeing Carwin school Brock for an entire round made me smile - because I know someone like JDS would just destroy him. He has a good chin though.

[coclarkson]

carwin just needs to work on his take down defense. carwin has the better stand up and probably would've knocked out lesnar had he defended lesnar's takedown in the 2nd round. and carwin needs to pace himself and have some patience instead of trying to knock people out in the first round.

[wolffer12]

Shane fell victim of going for the kill too fast. Brock showed ground skills that we have never seen from him before. It will be interesting to see who Shane fights next if he does fight again.
Also, as others have stated if this wasn't a title fight it would have been stopped in the first round. I don't have any problem with it not being stopped but the history of the UFC says that the person has to be damn near dead for a fight to get called in a title match.

[fm8418]

guess you were wrong? HAHA

No I don't think I'm wrong at all. I still don't think he has GOOD ground game. If it's good at all it's because of his size, he needs to show a lot more moves before I start saying he has good ground skill. The Super Heavyweights will probably never have a good ground game again atleast with the muscle structure of someone like Lesnar.

Lesnar mounted a gassed Carwin and had the choke basically the whole time even before he got the mount. It shows promise and if he can get more BJJ then he is going to be even more deadly.

Look everyone has given Lesnar credit for the win, people just think he was lucky it didn't get stopped in the 1st round. He took like 40+ shots on the ground. Luck isn't a bad thing.

[IndySportsCards]

FINALLY! My favorite UFC Fighter, Stephan Bonner wins one!

[Zerokruel]

FINALLY! My favorite UFC Fighter, Stephan Bonner wins one!

How about the Leben match? Talk about upset! I loved that one.

[IndySportsCards]

How about the Leben match? Talk about upset! I loved that one.

Leben is my 2nd favorite fighter. It was a great night! Leben pulled that out with 23 seconds left.. Great UFC event, best in a long while.

[fm8418]

Leben is my 2nd favorite fighter. It was a great night! Leben pulled that out with 23 seconds left.. Great UFC event, best in a long while.

115 wasn't bad. It's usually the cards that don't look great that turn out good.

117 looks stacked

[Ddvw123abc]

I was just watcing it on my DVR and noticed Chris Lytle has Blowout Cards on the back of his shorts

[Zerokruel]

I was just watcing it on my DVR and noticed Chris Lytle has Blowout Cards on the back of his shorts

Lytle's, butt triangle/arm bar was unique. Should have been submission of the night, but that's another story.

[fm8418]

Lytle's, butt triangle/arm bar was unique. Should have been submission of the night, but that's another story.

Yeah I thought Lytle or Leben should've got the Submission award.

[Razorsharp79]

Lesnar vs Cain I guess and he is a more technical striker opposed to Carwin. With that being said the fight was over in the 1st round, carwin hit him as someone mentioned 30-40 times with no stoppage, 99.99999% of any MMA fight would have been stopped. I believe Dana knew his gravy train would have been ended with a Lesnar loss. Matter of fact starting to think these fights are rigged anyway. Carwin vs Lesnar II if there is one will end with lesnar being knocked out, just keep it standing as it was obvious lesnar cannot take a punch as he we to the canvas quickly. Fight was rigged and the entire card sucked, hope UFC 117 is better and Silva will KO the idiot that keeps calling out the greatest fighter ever in MMA

[blowoutcards]

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[mma138]

Lesnar vs Cain I guess and he is a more technical striker opposed to Carwin. With that being said the fight was over in the 1st round, carwin hit him as someone mentioned 30-40 times with no stoppage, 99.99999% of any MMA fight would have been stopped. I believe Dana knew his gravy train would have been ended with a Lesnar loss. Matter of fact starting to think these fights are rigged anyway. Carwin vs Lesnar II if there is one will end with lesnar being knocked out, just keep it standing as it was obvious lesnar cannot take a punch as he we to the canvas quickly. Fight was rigged and the entire card sucked, hope UFC 117 is better and Silva will KO the idiot that keeps calling out the greatest fighter ever in MMA

entire card sucked , are you serious ....... there were some great fights that night

[Razorsharp79]

Yeah the card sucked, the last memorable card was UFC 100, if this is what you call a good card I feel for you seriously. The only fight that will be remembered is the lesnar fight and even that fight was a joke if not rigged. Aside from championship fights the UFC has been doing a terrible job with their cards. I used to watch everyone, but now even watching them for free is not worth the time.

UFC 116 Card
Brock Lesnar Shane Carwin Submission (Choke) 2 2:19
Chris Leben Yoshihiro Akiyama Submission (Choke) 3 4:40
Chris Lytle Matt Brown Submission (Arm Lock) 2 2:02
Stephan Bonnar Krzysztof Soszynski Technical Knock Out 2 3:08
George Sotiropoulos Kurt Pellegrino Unanimous Decision 3 5:00
Brendan Schaub Chris Tuchscherer Technical Knock Out 1 1:07
Ricardo Romero Seth Petruzelli Submission (Arm Lock) 2 3:05
Kendall Grove Goran Reljic Split Decision 3 5:00
Gerald Harris Dave Branch Knock Out 3 2:35
Daniel Roberts Forrest Petz Split Decision 3 5:00
Jon Madsen Karlos Vemola Unanimous Decision 3 5:00

Now here is a good card
UFC 117: SILVA vs. SONNEN (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.home&eid=3412)

[chansen10]

[Yeah the card sucked[/SIZE] [/url]

IF you think that card sucked you dont know mma at all. I cant believe you said that. WOW IM IN SHOCK

[fm8418]

Yeah the whole main card was very entertaining. Don't even bother with him.

[Razorsharp79]

UFC 116 aside from the title fight was not a good card, and the title fight was not that great. UFC 117 is a card I have been hoping to see since UFC 100, UFC 118 is looking good so far also, just do not agree with Penn getting a rematch before fighting someone in the top 5. Also do not agree with Lesnar getting paid 10 times what Carwin got paid either. UFC 116 was not a great card IMO, Leben is not exciting especially after the Silva fight where he looked like a 7th grader fighting a 12th grader. Bonnar is terrible and just a meatstick who the UFC throws in their to fill space. The Lytle fight was okay, but again nothing anyone will remember for more than a week. I enjoy all aspects of MMA, but UFC 116 was not even mentioned anywhere today at work, and that is rare.

[fm8418]

UFC 116 aside from the title fight was not a good card, and the title fight was not that great. UFC 117 is a card I have been hoping to see since UFC 100, UFC 118 is looking good so far also, just do not agree with Penn getting a rematch before fighting someone in the top 5. Also do not agree with Lesnar getting paid 10 times what Carwin got paid either. UFC 116 was not a great card IMO, Leben is not exciting especially after the Silva fight where he looked like a 7th grader fighting a 12th grader. Bonnar is terrible and just a meatstick who the UFC throws in their to fill space. The Lytle fight was okay, but again nothing anyone will remember for more than a week. I enjoy all aspects of MMA, but UFC 116 was not even mentioned anywhere today at work, and that is rare.

So a fight is only as good as it is on paper. Very juvenile response. If anything the title fight was the worst fight.

[Razorsharp79]

UFC 116 on paper was a terrible card, UFC 117 is the best card since UFC 100. On paper or in reality you will see. The fighting is unpredictable for 117, but we know the results of 116 and they were just as terrible in reality as they were on paper. UFC 117 has 10 times the potential of 116, seriously leben, bonnar, brown fighting in primetime, LOL. Those fighters would not make the prelims for 117, you will see which card is better, to me it is a no brainer just glancing at who is fighting.

[fm8418]

UFC 116 on paper was a terrible card, UFC 117 is the best card since UFC 100. On paper or in reality you will see. The fighting is unpredictable for 117, but we know the results of 116 and they were just as terrible in reality as they were on paper. UFC 117 has 10 times the potential of 116, seriously leben, bonnar, brown fighting in primetime, LOL. Those fighters would not make the prelims for 117, you will see which card is better, to me it is a no brainer just glancing at who is fighting.

except the Leben fight was good...Bonnar fight good.

Bonnar is 1/2 responsible for the UFC being where it's at today.

[Razorsharp79]

I agree Griffin and Bonnar helped the sport grow, but nobody is going to buy a PPV just to see Bonnar or Leben fight even though they are entertaining at times. However, neither one of them will ever be an elite fighter in their division or challenge for a title which makes them irrelevant in the UFC. Not to mention putting them on during primetime instead of the prelims just weakens a PPV tremendously. The UFC could have put some way better fighters in 116, but I guess they saved them for UFC 117.

[mma138]

most of the time when you have 2 big names going at it , it ends up being a dissapointment . ufc 116 showed that names dont make fights. this card looked awful on paper and ended up being great. watch it again and if you still feel it was bad . then i gotta say you know nothing about mma.

[Razorsharp79]

UFC 116 was a bad card, fights were okay, but if it were my first time watching I would not be eager to buy the next one even though the card is way better. UFC 117 is stacked, and it could be a dud, but I am more excited about the matchups than I was for 116. Seriously who cares if Leben ever fights again or Bonnar, or Brown, or Lytle, maybe 1% of MMA fans.

[chansen10]

UFC 116 was a bad card, fights were okay, but if it were my first time watching I would not be eager to buy the next one even though the card is way better. UFC 117 is stacked, and it could be a dud, but I am more excited about the matchups than I was for 116. Seriously who cares if Leben ever fights again or Bonnar, or Brown, or Lytle, maybe 1% of MMA fans.

Just stop youre making yourslef look like an idiot

[mma138]

UFC 116 was a bad card, fights were okay, but if it were my first time watching I would not be eager to buy the next one even though the card is way better. UFC 117 is stacked, and it could be a dud, but I am more excited about the matchups than I was for 116. Seriously who cares if Leben ever fights again or Bonnar, or Brown, or Lytle, maybe 1% of MMA fans.

alot more the one percent, maybe not the casual fan . but there are alot of people who follow the sport and know who these guys are

[Razorsharp79]

Not everyone is a hardcore fan such as myself, and if they never fought again would it hurt the UFC, the answer is no. Casual fan or hardcore fan people bought the PPV to see Lesnar and Carwin, the rest of the card sucked with the outcome of the fights not making one hill of beans in any weight class. Is someone going to tell me that Leben is a top 5 fighter in MW? Or Bonnar is a Top 5 fighter in LHW? Or any of these fighters will ever get a title shot ever again in their UFC career? And Chansen I am no idiot, I will put my MMA knowledge up against anyone, were you at UFC 1 to see Gracie, I was. Been watching and admiring this sport for a long time, and sometimes the truth hurts. And as a fan of the sport a PPV like 116 only hurts the sport. UFC 117 is a great card, and the fights could turn out to be terrible, but the anticipation will be awesome, whereas 116 the only anticipation was for the main event which was not all that great. I will give props to Leben for fighting on short notice, just wish the axe murderer would have been healthy

[fm8418]

actually the casual fan likes Leben and Bonnar a lot due to ultimate fighter. Also the casual fan who doesn't know them probably came away from that PPV thinking that they would want to see them again.

[Razorsharp79]

People will watch regardless, especially those of us who love the sport. If any fan could pick themselves a card leben and bonnar would never be on it. I could see them being on Spike prelims for sure, but not live. Anyway enough about 116, I am gearing up for 117, best looking card in 18 months, hope the fights are not duds, but will be watching no matter what since their are not many clowns on this card.

[fm8418]

Yeah because anyone who agrees to fight is a clown. What a joke

[Razorsharp79]

No not everyone who fights is a clown, Leben, Bonnar, Brown, Lytle are clowns though who should be on spike so the 1% who wants to see them can do so for free without screwing up the entire card for those of us who enjoy quality over quantity. Leben has a decent record, but he got severely beaten by silva who is his only top 5 opponent and is no where in the top 10 in the middleweight rankings to date, that makes him prelim material.