one box of flawless football

[phyloxera]

just see the pics
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I paid us1300 for this box
win or lose????

[jbrandonw]

I don't know if you will profit, but looks pretty solid to me.

[oaktwnraidr]

Very nice looking cards..might just have to buy a box of this stuff.

[cardozo]

very nice box.

[armyatc22]

I thought Knowshon was in a Dophins uniform

That throws off the numbers a little bit

[armyatc22]

3 of the 10 players haven't even played in 2014 yet

[ekalbnz]

Very nice Sanders!

[Bruvydsb]

I thought Knowshon was in a Dophins uniform

That throws off the numbers a little bit

Card says Dolphins on it.

[patsfan52]

what do you need for tom brady thanks rob

[purejd86p]

Love that Sanders!

[Dobber2330]

You got killed on the box - you won't make back $700

With Murray, McCarron, Moreno and Gordon as 40% of the box there was no way to make money on that box even at cost.

[solt0131]

After fees and everything, that is a $500 loser. Sorry to have to break the news, but you asked....

[bravezfan4life]

You got killed on the box - you won't make back $700

With Murray, McCarron, Moreno and Gordon as 40% of the box there was no way to make money on that box even at cost.


Probably around 400 SANDERS IS NICE but nothing that popping about it haha @ the other comments solid box etc :rolleyes:

[nfunk]

Dudes, this is an awesome box!
Look at all of the solid names.
It's too early to tell if this box is a "lose", but who cares!
I'm sure you had a blast opening it!

[bravezfan4life]

I have to applaud though u have balls ripping this

[armyatc22]

You got killed on the box - you won't make back $700

With Murray, McCarron, Moreno and Gordon as 40% of the box there was no way to make money on that box even at cost.

I actually think he will make more back

BRADY patch should make around $100

Bridgewater could actually bring the most depending on how many people are wanting to do the set and it's a Rookie card too so those sell for more then the regular base so possibly around $300

The Barry Sanders could be around $250-$350

So just those 3 could bring in around $700 maybe then you add the others together (Bama fans will go after the AJ) this could be closer to even then most people think.....

[Dobber2330]

Dudes, this is an awesome box!
Look at all of the solid names.
It's too early to tell if this box is a "lose", but who cares!
I'm sure you had a blast opening it!

What planet are you from??

This box is a loser 100% of the time -

No way to sugar coat that -

What solid names are there other than Brady and Sanders?? Bridgewater may sell OK and Cooks will sell but other than that the rest is trash that goes for peanuts.

[freethrowtommy]

I have to applaud though u have balls ripping this

Seconded.

Such beautiful cards... good luck with breaking even though.

[Danose]

ill take a price on the murray if you dont mind

[armyatc22]

Now this is the way to go with this product

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/join-new-group-breaks-here/792088-2014-panini-flawless-football-hobby-2-box-case-random-player-break.html

[solt0131]

What planet are you from??

This box is a loser 100% of the time -

No way to sugar coat that -

What solid names are there other than Brady and Sanders?? Bridgewater may sell OK and Cooks will sell but other than that the rest is trash that goes for peanuts.

I agree with you Dobber, his only hope on maximizing return would have been to list those last night for 24 hour auctions and hope for the best.

If someone pays $300 for that Bridgewater, they need their head examined.

[Bruvydsb]

Make this box a $125 hit draft.

After Sanders, Brady and maybe Bridgewater did the other 7 spots get killed? I think so.

[val47]

that sanders and diamond Bridgewater pay for the case IMO

[Mattsurewood]

The base cards out of 20 may surprise, especially if not much of this stuff makes it to the secondary market..the RCs especially. Teddy is a good one..nice Sanders and Brady for your collection..Cooks is decent too.

The cards are gorgeous, and who knows what the value will be 4-5 years down the road, with this being an inaugural release...of course, if you bought it today with the idea of selling this weekend, best of luck to you, I don't envision this being a profitable venture for rip/flip guys...

[cniel2924]

Why does everyone act like none of this will be making it to secondary market?

Get real.

Nice rip thanks for sharing, ignore the people who think opening cards should be about making money for themselves.

[Cowboys4949]

Brady will 100 percent bring over 150 esp first one bRidgewater around 200 for first one Barry about the same maybe 250 mad tannehill and mccarron will sell better than you may think. He is 100 percent going to lose money but prob around 350-400

[Bars and Bar]

That is $1100 worth IMO.

[315BeardMafia]

I'll take a price on the Brady....

[arott23]

Not bad at all...that Bridgewater will sell for more than people think. Can't wait for more people to start opening so I can get my hands on some stuff!

[Danose]

id have to say it was an ok type of half case wonder what the other half looks like or is the sanders the case hit ??

[Nyfancam01]

how much are you looking for on the brady?

[fsu2007]

I was thinking 800-850 tops before fees

[dvstringz]

That Sanders is sick. I wish they had color pictures for the Greats though. I understand they try to give it an older feel, but I think that sanders with the patches would look awesome if his pic was colored.

[SethMurphy]

The only part disappointing to me is that of the nine hits, three are rookies. Flawless needs to be more vets and legends and less rookies IMO, I wouldn't want more than one rookie in a box of this

But good break man, some sneaky good cards in there I think that Barry is gorgeous and the Tarkenton is just classic

[Brobocop]

The only part disappointing to me is that of the nine hits, three are rookies. Flawless needs to be more vets and legends and less rookies IMO, I wouldn't want more than one rookie in a box of this

But good break man, some sneaky good cards in there I think that Barry is gorgeous and the Tarkenton is just classic

I agree with this 100%. Nice cards and even though the risk is high I'd rather open up a box of this than say a case of Playbook. If you're selling the cards good luck with your sales, if keeping them, great hits which will look great in your collection for sure.

[Tones]

I see you getting $1k for it all, post em up early, some collectors need to have the first available :D

[nanners13]

I don't know if you will profit, but looks pretty solid to me.

you wont make money but it is a very nice box. 99% of people who bust this at that price point (which you got for a good price IMO) wont make money. Beeeautiful cards though

[I pull scrubs]

Why does everyone act like none of this will be making it to secondary market?

Get real.

Nice rip thanks for sharing, ignore the people who think opening cards should be about making money for themselves.

Most sensible post I've read on blowout in a while. :)!

[Andrew Jones]

that sanders and diamond Bridgewater pay for the case IMO

Are you serious?

[deltapi1049]

Is the Sanders awesome? Yes. Will the Bridgewater sell now? Yes.

Even with those cards is this 1350 worth of stuff? No.

Lately, football products have a shelf life equal to or less than an open can of beer. Now, High end has always been a risk, but its different when it costs this much. A 500 dollar gamble pales in comparison to a 1350 gamble, where you can lose more than 500 a box!

Ouch.

[micorps1]

I hope i get a shot at a bridgewater like that in the hit draft 2 case break I bought into.

[Bruvydsb]

I hope i get a shot at a bridgewater like that in the hit draft 2 case break I bought into.

I here ya. I have Minnesota in Dusty's team draft and would have loved this box to be in that break.

[stryk]

Please PM me a price on all the cards you pulled individually. Thanks.

[bmc398]

Yeah, I saw this as a pretty decent break. The Sanders is BANANAS. His high end patch autos go for $$$$$$$$. I wouldn't take less than $500 for it.

The Bridgewater is probably $200-250

The Brady is $100-$150

The rest of the stuff probably gets about $200.

Is it a $$ winner? No....but it's a GREAT box!

[Qwasian]

to me that brady is more than a $100 card......... i'ono....I definately wouldn't auction the stuff, bin/bo for 3 days and then if they don't sell relist for 30 days. people are so set on auctions these cards are a little different than that, these will have buyers who really want to obtain the cards badly as opposed to people who are just buying to buy/flip etc. little different scenario to me. I think you did pretty good.

[wheeler281]

apparently not a hobby for some :rolleyes: Newsflash you are not suppose to make your money back on boxes just the occasional box. Its a risk. I am so glad I am not in this hobby for profit. So much stress for a few

To the op Decent box man! The Sanders is my favorite of course.

[micorps1]

to me that brady is more than a $100 card......... i'ono....I definately wouldn't auction the stuff, bin/bo for 3 days and then if they don't sell relist for 30 days. people are so set on auctions these cards are a little different than that, these will have buyers who really want to obtain the cards badly as opposed to people who are just buying to buy/flip etc. little different scenario to me. I think you did pretty good.

Thats my plan for the two cards i get from the group break.

[upsheez]

2 cases topps chrome > 1 box flawless

[Bearsfan54]

That Sanders should sell well
Stuff looks amazing, I think the Price Point is high

[valleyofsun]

that sanders and diamond Bridgewater pay for the case IMO

Hahahaha!!! Is this comment real life?? :confused:

[Sauceman]

apparently not a hobby for some :rolleyes: Newsflash you are not suppose to make your money back on boxes just the occasional box. Its a risk. I am so glad I am not in this hobby for profit. So much stress for a few

To the op Decent box man! The Sanders is my favorite of course.

Yea, exactly. Nice box. Geez. Do you guys surgically break down ROI on every box of Chrome too? How bout the box thats returns a Christian Ponder prism and Eric Fisher auto? This is just on a bigger scale. If ya cant handle a loss, dont buy!

[indyguy]

That's a beautiful Barry! How's the auto look in person? Any streaks or bubbles?

[dthimesch]

This just proves to me even more how crappy the resale value of football is. That Brady patch that everyone says is a $100- $150 patch. A Lebron patch like that would sell for $500-$800. I'm not saying Brady is Lebron of football but for one of the biggest names in the set to sell for less than a quarter of basketball is crazy.

Why does everyone act like none of this will be making it to secondary market?

Get real.

Nice rip thanks for sharing, ignore the people who think opening cards should be about making money for themselves.

Most sensible post I've read on blowout in a while. :)!

Everyone is acting like that because the OP asked for opinions about the resale value. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[lisu]

Is the Sanders awesome? Yes. Will the Bridgewater sell now? Yes.

Even with those cards is this 1350 worth of stuff? No.

Lately, football products have a shelf life equal to or less than an open can of beer. Now, High end has always been a risk, but its different when it costs this much. A 500 dollar gamble pales in comparison to a 1350 gamble, where you can lose more than 500 a box!

Ouch.

I dunno, i opened a case of Prizm and got about 100 back so a loss of 600. That was more painful. I would rather open a box of flawless for around 1100-1200. At least it is better value.

[GB5HOF]

That Barry is really pretty...

[tnarg]

At least the cards look nice.

[trixstar]

I'd be mostly happy with that box. Brady game worn patch and one of the best sanders cards in the product. Not to mention a top 5 diamond rookie.

[gamer4l1fe]

It seems to me like it's the common outcome of most breaks. You got a couple decent cards, but no where near the investment amount. The problem is people expect every box to be a winner and that's just not logical. If every single box had all star autos and no filler crap imagine what the value of cards would be. Look at the MMA card market for evidence of what happens when the market becomes over saturated with too many star autos. It's practically dead and autos of long reigning champions can be had for 20 spots.

[bcubs]

This just proves to me even more how crappy the resale value of football is. That Brady patch that everyone says is a $100- $150 patch. A Lebron patch like that would sell for $500-$800. I'm not saying Brady is Lebron of football but for one of the biggest names in the set to sell for less than a quarter of basketball is crazy.





Everyone is acting like that because the OP asked for opinions about the resale value. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

You're spot on with the secondary market pricing on football cards. I've talked to many people about this and looked at it from every angle I can think of. I just don't get why football card pricing is always so depressed.

[Braswell10]

This just proves to me even more how crappy the resale value of football is. That Brady patch that everyone says is a $100- $150 patch. A Lebron patch like that would sell for $500-$800. I'm not saying Brady is Lebron of football but for one of the biggest names in the set to sell for less than a quarter of basketball is crazy.





Everyone is acting like that because the OP asked for opinions about the resale value. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

This is true, but people on Ebay are still listing them at crazy high prices.

[gingerscards]

pm me price on Brady , your box break looked decent . @ $1200 per ,wow not sure many, if any , will give up profit

[Tvanho]

You know what really sucks? Is that is a beautiful box! Probably one of the best we will see.

But it sucks because everyone is right about the resale value....great for the collectors, but horrible for the guys in it for the $$.

[blackandgold]

I love these high dollar breaks. After the initial hype you can pick up some nice cards at decent prices. I would rather buy a 1300 card I would want than take the chance and open this. High risk investment. At 130 a hit I doubt he makes his money back. Regardless you hit some nice cards good luck with whatever you do with them

[DUCKanay]

I think you'll be close if you hold the McCarron. The BW is the best base card for Teddy. ROI is still going to be better than most other products.

[Frankp2311]

Everyone is acting like that because the OP asked for opinions about the resale value. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Thank you! If the people complaining about others commenting on ROI would read the original post maybe they would understand.

I see about $900 - $1000 if sold now. Personally if you broke this to resell I would unload the Veteran cards and the Bridgewater and Cooks right away (excluding the Gordon). Then hold the Murray and McCarron. You won't get top dollar for them now. I would also hold the Gordon until he comes back in a few weeks.

[Low3453]

From someone who opens way too much:

Most comical thing about this thread is how many times the word investment has been used either directly or via ROI. That has to be one of the top 10% of all boxes that will come out of this, but like most products its a loser.

Investment + Ripping Wax = Oxymoron.

It's just about the entertainment. Look at it any other way and you are crazy with the exception of about 2 products a year (and not all years).

[I pull scrubs]

This just proves to me even more how crappy the resale value of football is. That Brady patch that everyone says is a $100- $150 patch. A Lebron patch like that would sell for $500-$800. I'm not saying Brady is Lebron of football but for one of the biggest names in the set to sell for less than a quarter of basketball is crazy.





Everyone is acting like that because the OP asked for opinions about the resale value. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Everyone acts like this is more of a business than a hobby :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[freethrowtommy]

Why does everyone act like none of this will be making it to secondary market?

Get real.

Nice rip thanks for sharing, ignore the people who think opening cards should be about making money for themselves.

Most sensible post I've read on blowout in a while. :)!

Way to read the main post. If you need help...


I paid us1300 for this box
win or lose????

[freethrowtommy]

Everyone acts like this is more of a business than a hobby :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Because OP ASKED... *sigh*

[champs]

Sweet Sanders! Brady is ridiculous, can't wait to get my cases in

[CardMonopoly]

You got big cajones for ripping this. Looks to be a very solid box. Thanks for sharing.

[GreatAlbert]

I know it has been said already, but if this was a basketball box with comparable players, money would be made easily. Amazing that there is such a disparity between the collectors across sports. Nice box OP, might not be many out there that are better across the board.

[val47]

Hahahaha!!! Is this comment real life?? :confused:

i said the sanders will go for about 800-900$ and the Bridgewater for about 300-400$.....

[sjim8660]

I think you did good. That Tom Brady Patch should do super well.

[MeetJSquared]

This just proves to me even more how crappy the resale value of football is. That Brady patch that everyone says is a $100- $150 patch. A Lebron patch like that would sell for $500-$800. I'm not saying Brady is Lebron of football but for one of the biggest names in the set to sell for less than a quarter of basketball is crazy.

I know it has been said already, but if this was a basketball box with comparable players, money would be made easily. Amazing that there is such a disparity between the collectors across sports. Nice box OP, might not be many out there that are better across the board.

Basketball has the international (Asia) market to help the prices go higher. Same goes with Hockey (Europe/Canada). Football doesn't have that luxury, unfortunately, which means less collectors and in turn, less $ value.

That box wasn't terrible; as others have said, the Barry, Brady, and Bridgewater have good value. I think those three can fetch somewhere around $700-800 together. Not bad at all. I can only imagine what people will say when worse breaks start popping up. I'll be opening a box tomorrow (splitting with a buddy) at the LCS and I wouldn't be disappointed with this.

[lisu]

Basketball has the international (Asia) market to help the prices go higher. Same goes with Hockey (Europe/Canada). Football doesn't have that luxury, unfortunately, which means less collectors and in turn, less $ value.

That box wasn't terrible; as others have said, the Barry, Brady, and Bridgewater have good value. I think those three can fetch somewhere around $700-800 together. Not bad at all. I can only imagine what people will say when worse breaks start popping up. I'll be opening a box tomorrow (splitting with a buddy) at the LCS and I wouldn't be disappointed with this.

I agree - this was a nice box. Not great for flippers, but all you need are some collectors to start doing to set to see cards take off.

[GreatAlbert]

Basketball has the international (Asia) market to help the prices go higher. Same goes with Hockey (Europe/Canada). Football doesn't have that luxury, unfortunately, which means less collectors and in turn, less $ value.

That box wasn't terrible; as others have said, the Barry, Brady, and Bridgewater have good value. I think those three can fetch somewhere around $700-800 together. Not bad at all. I can only imagine what people will say when worse breaks start popping up. I'll be opening a box tomorrow (splitting with a buddy) at the LCS and I wouldn't be disappointed with this.

So then is the SRP the problem? I just feel like without a 1/1 or huge patch or something this should be at least breaking even. Just think Panini priced the football product based on basketballs success.

[Codyfinesse]

I guess I'm confused. I'm not a big high end guy but I see nice lol end brady patches selling for close to 100 all the time. How is a card that beautiful from a 1300 dollar product a 100 dollar card? Without seeing ebay my first guess would have been 300-400.

[lisu]

So then is the SRP the problem? I just feel like without a 1/1 or huge patch or something this should be at least breaking even. Just think Panini priced the football product based on basketballs success.

I don't think that Panini priced this at what Blowout & Dave and Adam's is selling it for. I just know that cost to hobby shops from distributors were between $800 - $850. I think they probably went out and bought a lot of hoping to get a monopoly on the supply. The SRP was probably supposed to be $1k.

[MeetJSquared]

So then is the SRP the problem? I just feel like without a 1/1 or huge patch or something this should be at least breaking even. Just think Panini priced the football product based on basketballs success.

That's what I think. I heard factory cost is like $800? Pretty big markup if that's true. If SRP was around $900-1000, it would be great. But the thing is, it's a limited release, Panini knows people will buy it, and it may be the retailers pricing it where it's at. I'm sure if preorders were slow (which wouldn't be expected for the inaugural ultra high-end football release) then presale prices would've dipped slightly.


I guess I'm confused. I'm not a big high end guy but I see nice lol end brady patches selling for close to 100 all the time. How is a card that beautiful from a 1300 dollar product a 100 dollar card? Without seeing ebay my first guess would have been 300-400.

It's hard to gauge that right now. Patches don't generally sell well with football which is why a lot of people, including myself, think the price should be lower. As mentioned somewhere above, a LeBron, Durant, etc. patch in basketball pays for roughly 1/3 of the box on it's own. A patch of a decent player will probably get $100-200. People may pay more that expected for these football patches, but I just don't think it's likely to even sniff where basketball was.

[chondaville]

I don't think that Panini priced this at what Blowout & Dave and Adam's is selling it for. I just know that cost to hobby shops from distributors were between $800 - $850. I think they probably went out and bought a lot of hoping to get a monopoly on the supply. The SRP was probably supposed to be $1k.

Exactly. Stated this in another thread. The direct factory cost from Panini was $650ish. From distributors it was $800. Blowout/D&A did the rest so blame them.

Then again, they have multi-millions and pallets of absolute garbage Panini 2014 products losing them thousands a day.

[ND3]

Cards looks great. Football high end resale isn't on the same plane as Basketball high end resale.

First ones listed will get some premium but watch the cliff dive singles take.

Oh yeah boys and girls with ebay's new return policy singles first single sellers may get hit with big glasses of buyer's remorse.

[WhacksPacks]

Wow. SO from the 4 pages of this thread I've read and the approximate average values guessed...99.9% of people will end up taking a bath..IF that's the case.

I say this because It is hard to think of a lone box of this product that could be ANY better than this. That Brady Patch, The Bridgewater Diamond, The beautiful Rookie RPA...and, of course, one of the most beautiful Barry Sanders cards EVER made.
I don't see how one does better on a lone box.

COngrats OP, I think you absolutely CRUSHED the odds. If you do, in fact, take a bath from this break...that means the product should NEVER had come close to being priced where it is. Be patient with that Sanders. There are several Sanders high end collectors that would fight to the damn near death for that thing. Same with the Brady. I believe you will be ok. Just be patient. Cheers.