This is why I miss Topps Chrome... [Archive]

LeonfromNC

01-01-2015, 12:12 PM

2009 10 Topps Chrome Superfractors 25 Carmelo Anthony 1 1 Exquisite SP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-10-Topps-Chrome-Superfractors-25-CARMELO-ANTHONY-1-1-Exquisite-SP-/251751775741?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item3a9d933dfd&nma=true&si=ruHt3gzvpVmgtUn%252F2uS0kKhY55U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Real Superfractors that are truly 1/1's and not this Prizm multiple 1/1's crap.

Btw, this is not my card, but I wish it was. I would have bid on it if I saw it. Very nice price too. The buyer got a steal IMO.

When was the last time you saw a Superfractor from this year? Only 110 in the set.

Hoopsman

01-01-2015, 12:36 PM

Agreed. I miss Topps Chrome more than any other release.

Ultimatewarrick

01-01-2015, 12:39 PM

i liked prizm up until this year

daeve

01-01-2015, 12:41 PM

yeah 12-13 Prizm and Select were both great releases imo... Panini dropped the ball last year and this year [with Prizm].

hazenuts

01-01-2015, 12:49 PM

Yes I miss the old days of Topps Chrome Refractor. Check out the Tim Duncan beauty down there.

looking at the Panini landscape, I get dizzy trying to see the difference between prizm, select, select gold, etc ...

NOT MINE! but I wish it were ...
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODc3WDUxOA==/z/II8AAOSw0vBUe8ml/$_57.JPG

xavieronly1

01-01-2015, 01:16 PM

Base topps and topps chrome have the best stat sheet at the back.

mjnsportscards

01-01-2015, 01:18 PM

I remember the days when pulling a drose or durant chrome rc was a decent pull.

JMarchand1981

01-01-2015, 01:26 PM

Base topps and topps chrome have the best stat sheet at the back.

This right here. This is an underrated/forgotten about part of card collecting.

Giantrobot

01-01-2015, 01:55 PM

My influence is subtle and undeniable.

smalltown

01-01-2015, 03:47 PM

Real Superfractors that are truly 1/1's and not this Prizm multiple 1/1's crap.

Dreaming of the "Good 'ole days".

Topps is just as guilty as Panini when it comes to parallels. Here's a sampling of Bowman Draft from this year. 2 1/1s for each player and a bazillion Parallels. 22 versions of each card not including plates.

PARALLEL CARDS: Blue #/399, Green #/75, Orange #'d, Red #'d, Black 1/1 (Hobby), Printing Plates 1/1
ICE PARALLEL CARDS: Silver Ice, Red Ice #/150, Purple Ice #/99, White Ice #'d (Hobby), Orange Ice #/25 (Jumbo)
CHROME PARALLEL CARDS: Base, Refractor, Blue Refractor #/399, Green Refractor #/150, Black Refractor #/75 (Hobby), Gold Refractor #/50, Orange Refractor #/25, Red Refractor #/5, SuperFractor 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1
CHROME WAVE PARALLEL CARDS: Black Wave, Blue Wave, Silver Wave #/25, Red Wave #/25

They're also guilty of multiple 1/1s in Dynasty. The days of few parallels are over.

afrobandit

01-01-2015, 04:08 PM

Panini needs to use action photography.

afrobandit

01-01-2015, 04:09 PM

This right here. This is an underrated/forgotten about part of card collecting.

THIS x1000000

Hallco

01-01-2015, 04:55 PM

I miss Finest Basketball like the 90s in addition to Topps Chrome(Hardaway, Webber, Hill, Kidd, Garnett)...iconic cards!

paul06901

01-01-2015, 05:06 PM

There's a reason the first year's Prizm did so well. Simple and rare. Created demand, hype and value.

It's what people wanted. But then they went ahead and destroyed it with the following releases. Now it's all just awful, and even those original values were affected greatly. (Same with Totally Certified, etc.)

LeonfromNC

01-01-2015, 05:07 PM

Dreaming of the "Good 'ole days".

Topps is just as guilty as Panini when it comes to parallels. Here's a sampling of Bowman Draft from this year. 2 1/1s for each player and a bazillion Parallels. 22 versions of each card not including plates.

PARALLEL CARDS: Blue #/399, Green #/75, Orange #'d, Red #'d, Black 1/1 (Hobby), Printing Plates 1/1
ICE PARALLEL CARDS: Silver Ice, Red Ice #/150, Purple Ice #/99, White Ice #'d (Hobby), Orange Ice #/25 (Jumbo)
CHROME PARALLEL CARDS: Base, Refractor, Blue Refractor #/399, Green Refractor #/150, Black Refractor #/75 (Hobby), Gold Refractor #/50, Orange Refractor #/25, Red Refractor #/5, SuperFractor 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1
CHROME WAVE PARALLEL CARDS: Black Wave, Blue Wave, Silver Wave #/25, Red Wave #/25

They're also guilty of multiple 1/1s in Dynasty. The days of few parallels are over.

I'm talking about Topps Chrome Basketball... Which has not been on the scene since 2009-10.

smalltown

01-01-2015, 05:35 PM

I'm talking about Topps Chrome Basketball... Which has not been on the scene since 2009-10.

That's why I'm saying the good ole days.

go_steelers07

01-01-2015, 05:38 PM

Dreaming of the "Good 'ole days".

Topps is just as guilty as Panini when it comes to parallels. Here's a sampling of Bowman Draft from this year. 2 1/1s for each player and a bazillion Parallels. 22 versions of each card not including plates.

PARALLEL CARDS: Blue #/399, Green #/75, Orange #'d, Red #'d, Black 1/1 (Hobby), Printing Plates 1/1
ICE PARALLEL CARDS: Silver Ice, Red Ice #/150, Purple Ice #/99, White Ice #'d (Hobby), Orange Ice #/25 (Jumbo)
CHROME PARALLEL CARDS: Base, Refractor, Blue Refractor #/399, Green Refractor #/150, Black Refractor #/75 (Hobby), Gold Refractor #/50, Orange Refractor #/25, Red Refractor #/5, SuperFractor 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1
CHROME WAVE PARALLEL CARDS: Black Wave, Blue Wave, Silver Wave #/25, Red Wave #/25

They're also guilty of multiple 1/1s in Dynasty. The days of few parallels are over.

they have a 1/1 for paper and a 1/1 for chrome.... what's wrong with that?

oldgoldy97

01-01-2015, 05:42 PM

Panini needs to use action photography.

+1.

They used it for Hoops so you know they have some photos laying around. It must have to do with paying royalties or something.

smalltown

01-01-2015, 05:56 PM

they have a 1/1 for paper and a 1/1 for chrome.... what's wrong with that?

Nothing per say. It's essentially the same as Panini having two different Black 1/1s.

xavieronly1

01-01-2015, 06:19 PM

Nothing per say. It's essentially the same as Panini having two different Black 1/1s.

Like they are 90% the same thing/design in Panini. Did you forget the gold is like /20 now?

pingbling23

01-01-2015, 06:40 PM

Selective memory. In 08-09 topps had 4 plates 1/1, Base refractor, Orange, xfractor, Gold, and superfractor. This is just one year, I'm guessing they did it more. Then look at how they did it with finest and bowman chrome. It doesn't bother me, but to point blame at only panini is ignorant.

LeonfromNC

01-01-2015, 06:46 PM

pingbling23

01-01-2015, 06:49 PM

Um have you seen how many parallels PRIZM has now?

What's the problem, the cards look good? Is it a resale problem? Is it one of those things where people are pulling the cards and saying this is a sweet hit but when they look at what they're selling for on eBay, they then hate it? For me, I like the variety.

smalltown

01-01-2015, 06:54 PM

Like they are 90% the same thing/design in Panini. Did you forget the gold is like /20 now?

A Topps Superfractor is 90% the same thing as a base card.

My point is not to defend Panini or the number of parallels. My point is that all the companies are doing it now. Topps is just as bad and sometimes even worse with parallels. I just see a lot of the "grass is greener" comments - that are based on years gone by and not the current state of the hobby across all sports and all companies.

I was in no way knocking the OP for wishing for a single 1/1. I'd prefer that every time as well. I was simply stating that those days are gone - at least for now.

LeonfromNC

01-01-2015, 06:58 PM

What's the problem, the cards look good? Is it a resale problem? Is it one of those things where people are pulling the cards and saying this is a sweet hit but when they look at what they're selling for on eBay, they then hate it? For me, I like the variety.

You're missing my point. Please read my first post. I said I miss the true 1/1 topps chrome superfractors and I showed an example. I don't care for paninis definition of 1/1s when there are 20 different ones...

xavieronly1

01-01-2015, 07:10 PM

A Topps Superfractor is 90% the same thing as a base card.

My point is not to defend Panini or the number of parallels. My point is that all the companies are doing it now. Topps is just as bad and sometimes even worse with parallels. I just see a lot of the "grass is greener" comments - that are based on years gone by and not the current state of the hobby across all sports and all companies.

I was in no way knocking the OP for wishing for a single 1/1. I'd prefer that every time as well. I was simply stating that those days are gone - at least for now.

And yet, I don't even see anyone has problem with base 1/1 and superfractor. Funny right? Because NO ONE even thinks those two 1/1s are the same! Superfractor is a class of its own.

So now, tell me which prizm black is the "better" one? If no, the black is just /2 to me. Same for the gold, they are just /20 with fake rarity.

smalltown

01-01-2015, 08:57 PM

And yet, I don't even see anyone has problem with base 1/1 and superfractor. Funny right? Because NO ONE even thinks those two 1/1s are the same!

It's all perception. They're both parallels of the same card, both 1/1s of the same card weather people choose to admit it or not.

AbraCalabro

01-01-2015, 10:34 PM

I think I'm the only person in the universe that never understood the big interest in Chrome. Always though it was a cheap version of Topps Finest, nothing beats Finest with the protective coat on the card.

xavieronly1

01-01-2015, 10:45 PM

It's all perception. They're both parallels of the same card, both 1/1s of the same card weather people choose to admit it or not.

Oh my.... I have nothing to add.

rttrffg2012

01-02-2015, 01:51 AM

Oh my.... I have nothing to add.
I would like to add:

A card is better if it is an EBAY 1/1!!!!

I know at least one person will think I'm serious

bkcardcollector

01-02-2015, 02:36 AM

Wait did someone burn all the topps chrome cards? Is that what that bon fire down the road last night was all about? I am glad I kept mine instead joining in the madness. I can't believe their gone what did they ever do to anyone?
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mad Baller...sssh don't tell anyone I kept mine
http://img.comc.com/i/Basketball/2005-06/Topps-Chrome-Chromographs-Superfractor/CH-JH/Julius-Hodge.jpg?id=57aaee37-fbd8-4705-b101-787ebdee14f5&size=originalhttp://img.comc.com/i/Basketball/2005-06/Topps-Chrome-Chromographs-Superfractor/CH-JH/Julius-Hodge.jpg?id=57aaee37-fbd8-4705-b101-787ebdee14f5&size=original&side=back (http://www.comc.com/Cards/Basketball/2005-06/Topps_Chrome_Chromographs_Superfractor/CH-JH/Julius_Hodge/9624599)
2005-06 Topps Chrome Chromographs Superfractor #CH-JH - Julius Hodge /1
Courtesy of COMC.com (http://www.comc.com)
2005-06 Topps Chrome Chromographs Superfractor #CH-JH - Julius Hodge /1
Courtesy of COMC.com (http://www.comc.com)

bdrr

01-02-2015, 03:50 AM

Dreaming of the "Good 'ole days".

Topps is just as guilty as Panini when it comes to parallels. Here's a sampling of Bowman Draft from this year. 2 1/1s for each player and a bazillion Parallels. 22 versions of each card not including plates.

PARALLEL CARDS: Blue #/399, Green #/75, Orange #'d, Red #'d, Black 1/1 (Hobby), Printing Plates 1/1
ICE PARALLEL CARDS: Silver Ice, Red Ice #/150, Purple Ice #/99, White Ice #'d (Hobby), Orange Ice #/25 (Jumbo)
CHROME PARALLEL CARDS: Base, Refractor, Blue Refractor #/399, Green Refractor #/150, Black Refractor #/75 (Hobby), Gold Refractor #/50, Orange Refractor #/25, Red Refractor #/5, SuperFractor 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1
CHROME WAVE PARALLEL CARDS: Black Wave, Blue Wave, Silver Wave #/25, Red Wave #/25

They're also guilty of multiple 1/1s in Dynasty. The days of few parallels are over.

Except Bowman Draft is two products in one. Paper and Chrome. That's how Topps did it in basketball, too. You got Bowman and Bowman Chrome in the same pack. They're not even considered the same set by purists. The Black is the Paper 1/1 and the Super is the Chrome 1/1.

Dynasty, sure. They combined Flawless with their old Sterling variations.

ReignManLives

01-02-2015, 11:24 AM

I think Topps Chrome struck a good balance with the number of parallels. Using 08-09 as an example, there were regular refractors, orange, gold, xfractor, and superfractor. I am a fan of a few parallels, so I thought this was a good amount. 12-13 Prizm was great, with the regular Prizms, gold, and green in retail. I wish they would have stuck more closely to that combination.

Beavers98

01-02-2015, 05:28 PM

I miss Topps Chrome and Finest Too........Bowman/Chrome was a good product as well

BGS buff

12-31-2015, 11:34 AM

What's the problem, the cards look good? Is it a resale problem? Is it one of those things where people are pulling the cards and saying this is a sweet hit but when they look at what they're selling for on eBay, they then hate it? For me, I like the variety.

Look, there is nothing wrong with people care about the future value of their cards. The potential to appreciate in value is part of the collecting..sure it is not the only reason but in any hobby, scarcity, authenticity and aesthetic are all vital components. IF you like variety so much, then why not just create and print your own flashy cards, some people are doing that. The "hate" with Panini is that fact that they falsely advertise their products rarity by printing so many of supposedly "rare" hits. Sure, other companies do it, such as topps, but Panini is doing it to extreme, and it can be said that Topps is doing so in order to compete with Panini. The fact that Panini number every single of their card to short printed but come out with ten different slight variations is a gimmick and collectors don't appreciate them playing this game any longer.

JasonM32

12-31-2015, 12:56 PM

I miss early Topps Chrome but later on they started to produce too many variations too.

Panini has taken parallels and overpriced "high-end" products and ran with it. Basically, all the greedy manipulative tactics that other companies have used over the years are now on steroids. They are flooding the market with this stuff to the point of absurdity. The fact that people continue to collect this modern stuff blows my mind. We need to bring some sanity and restraint back to the hobby .

Deadshot

12-31-2015, 01:00 PM

AbraCalabro

12-31-2015, 01:30 PM

Look, there is nothing wrong with people care about the future value of their cards. The potential to appreciate in value is part of the collecting..sure it is not the only reason but in any hobby, scarcity, authenticity and aesthetic are all vital components. IF you like variety so much, then why not just create and print your own flashy cards, some people are doing that. The "hate" with Panini is that fact that they falsely advertise their products rarity by printing so many of supposedly "rare" hits. Sure, other companies do it, such as topps, but Panini is doing it to extreme, and it can be said that Topps is doing so in order to compete with Panini. The fact that Panini number every single of their card to short printed but come out with ten different slight variations is a gimmick and collectors don't appreciate them playing this game any longer.

That's called investing. It might be just as fun for investors to buy cards as investments as it is for collectors to collect, but it's investing. There's a fine line between buying to invest and collecting regardless of potential value down the line.

mc1

12-31-2015, 02:38 PM

Have the Curry or Harden surfaced? I don't keep track of this set but I read somewhere that the Curry was yet to be pulled. Maybe just someone trying to unload an unopened box/packs of 09-10 Topps

bdrr

12-31-2015, 03:07 PM

Dreaming of the "Good 'ole days".

Topps is just as guilty as Panini when it comes to parallels. Here's a sampling of Bowman Draft from this year. 2 1/1s for each player and a bazillion Parallels. 22 versions of each card not including plates.

PARALLEL CARDS: Blue #/399, Green #/75, Orange #'d, Red #'d, Black 1/1 (Hobby), Printing Plates 1/1
ICE PARALLEL CARDS: Silver Ice, Red Ice #/150, Purple Ice #/99, White Ice #'d (Hobby), Orange Ice #/25 (Jumbo)
CHROME PARALLEL CARDS: Base, Refractor, Blue Refractor #/399, Green Refractor #/150, Black Refractor #/75 (Hobby), Gold Refractor #/50, Orange Refractor #/25, Red Refractor #/5, SuperFractor 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1
CHROME WAVE PARALLEL CARDS: Black Wave, Blue Wave, Silver Wave #/25, Red Wave #/25

They're also guilty of multiple 1/1s in Dynasty. The days of few parallels are over.

Bowman and Bowman Chrome are "separate" products from one pack. There is only 1 chrome 1/1 and 1 paper 1/1. Your argument fails.

smalltown

12-31-2015, 07:49 PM

Bowman and Bowman Chrome are "separate" products from one pack. There is only 1 chrome 1/1 and 1 paper 1/1. Your argument fails.

Let me just use a different product then to illustrate if you don't like that one. How about i update with 2015 Bowman Draft.

2015 Bowman Draft Baseball Set Checklist

PAPER PARALLEL CARDS: Silver #/499, Blue #/150, Green #/99, Gold #/50, Orange #/25 (Hobby), Red #/5, Metallic 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1

CHROME PARALLEL CARDS: Refractor, Sky Blue Refractor, Blue Refractor #/150, Green Refractor #/99, Gold Refractor #/50, Orange Refractor #/25 (Hobby), Red Refractor #/5, SuperFractor 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1

So in Draft there are 10 1/1 parallels if you (like Topps) include the 1/1 printing plates. Point being, as i first stated - it's not a Panini thing - it's an industry thing.

CoryM

01-01-2016, 03:57 PM

I'm sitting on a box of 03-04 TC, it's a struggle every day not to open it....

Ottomatic

01-01-2016, 04:46 PM

Let me just use a different product then to illustrate if you don't like that one. How about i update with 2015 Bowman Draft.

2015 Bowman Draft Baseball Set Checklist

PAPER PARALLEL CARDS: Silver #/499, Blue #/150, Green #/99, Gold #/50, Orange #/25 (Hobby), Red #/5, Metallic 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1

CHROME PARALLEL CARDS: Refractor, Sky Blue Refractor, Blue Refractor #/150, Green Refractor #/99, Gold Refractor #/50, Orange Refractor #/25 (Hobby), Red Refractor #/5, SuperFractor 1/1, Printing Plates 1/1

So in Draft there are 10 1/1 parallels if you (like Topps) include the 1/1 printing plates. Point being, as i first stated - it's not a Panini thing - it's an industry thing.

Or even current Topps Chrome Football.
Refractor, Purple, Orange, Xfractor, Prizm, Diamond, Blue, Pink, Camo, Black, Super, Red... And I may have missed one. It's ridiculous.

Ottomatic

01-01-2016, 05:11 PM

Or even current Topps Chrome Football.
Refractor, Purple, Orange, Xfractor, Prizm, Diamond, Blue, Pink, Camo, Black, Super, Red... And I may have missed one. It's ridiculous.

I actually missed three. Green, Blue Wave and Gold. Insanity.

lindeman79

01-01-2016, 05:14 PM

Yup I hate parallels... Excessive inserts and countless reprint/vet variation sp cards.

Or even current Topps Chrome Football.
Refractor, Purple, Orange, Xfractor, Prizm, Diamond, Blue, Pink, Camo, Black, Super, Red... And I may have missed one. It's ridiculous.

I actually missed three. Green, Blue Wave and Gold. Insanity.

bbplaya11

01-01-2016, 09:29 PM

Seems pretty low for a super

codered

01-01-2016, 10:28 PM

Good lord! You are much stronger than I!! That's the holy grail of TC right there!

I'm sitting on a box of 03-04 TC, it's a struggle every day not to open it....

MavsRChamps

01-01-2016, 10:33 PM

I'm sitting on a box of 03-04 TC, it's a struggle every day not to open it....

Tell me about it, I'm sitting on 20 cases of 96-97 TC !!!! :eek::eek:;)

codered

01-01-2016, 10:43 PM

04-05 topps finest!! The set that broke the mold! The first set I remember that really over did it with colors and parallels! This set was the very definition of all the sets with multiple parallels/colors/1of1s ever made!! If I'm not mistaken there was framed, white, black, gold, green, blue, red and base refractors! Each with their own xfractors variations, their own superfractor and 1of1 x-fractor variation!!!! The multiple variations sold very well at first until everyone realized it was just over production. This set was produced over 10 years ago and predates any panini product with an over abundance of parallels! I have pretty much stopped collecting since panini took over, and I miss topps and UD products greatly but it's really unfair to blame panini. The major thing I have noticed from panini is when they do make a great product, they ruin it the next year by overproducing it.