2015 Broncos Offseason Discussion...

[usafshelland]

Obviously not the season we were wanting (or paid for), but it is what it is...should be lots of talk this offseason on where we are headed...

HC - whom are we getting?

Well, with Jack Del Rio headed out the door over to the Raiders (uggh, I now hate him again), John Fox going elsewhere (I predict to Chicago), and Adam Gase taking interviews (I REALLY hope Denver pushes to get him) are we in a predicament? IF Denver doesn't get Adam Gase, then I have a very strong feeling that Peyton is retiring (I have seen some reports about going after Gary Kubiak (yuck!) and/or Dan Quinn (at least our Defense should be better).

Thomas & Thomas...

Is there any reason for either one of them to stay unless the Front Office offers some sort of big pay day (especially with no Peyton Manning at QB)? I would say the answer is no, and the both go elsewhere...I think we'll push hard at DT, but not so much on Orange Julius. So I have some hope that we'll get DT back...

RB galore...

I think the one area where we are getting fortunate is RB. We must have the greatest productivity at the position for the fewest cost. (Currently have 5 RBs at a measly $3.6M). I wouldn't be surprised if we released Jeremy Stewart ($660,000 and our 3rd most expensive RB), and likely traded away Ronnie Hillman. Granted, you might say that Montee Ball could be traded away. Personally, I think you have a pretty good mix in Ball, Hillman, and Anderson. Anderson will be your 1st and 2nd down back. 3rd and long, you put in Hillman for his receiving skills. 3rd and short, you put in Ball for his short range ability. Or you could put in JuWan for his bruising ability...

WR situation (7 WRs, 2 FAs, $9.5M+)

So this is a kind of a precarious situation if you ask me...and I don't think any moves with DT will be made until the HC and QB situation pan out. I think DT would love to come back and play with Peyton and be part of the quest to get Manning his next ring, just not so sure he doesn't test the FA waters if it's Osweiler as the starting QB. As far as Welker, he's gone. I just see no reason for the Broncos to bring him back. His skills have definitely declined (some will argue that he just didn't get the targets). But having to pay him probably more than Emmanuel Sanders ($5M+) doesn't strike me as a good business move. Question would be then, whose going to be the guy to go over the middle? Unfortunately, I don't think we have anyone else on the roster to fill that role (some argument could be made for Caldwell, but I don't think he wants to do it).

TE's...uhhh, do we have any? (4 TEs, 3 are FAs, 1 guy... who?)

So something that will definitely need to be addressed. Currently we have 4 TEs on the roster with 3 being UFAs. YIKES! The other guy (Dominque Jones) has 1 year left and $660k. I almost think you HAVE TO resign all of them... the market out there for this year isn't that great. Granted there are some exceptions (i.e. Jordan Cameron, Charles Clay, Owen Daniels, Zach Miller).

Enter DEF...

[Wolves4Life]

Obviously not the season we were wanting (or paid for), but it is what it is...should be lots of talk this offseason on where we are headed...

HC - whom are we getting?

Well, with Jack Del Rio headed out the door over to the Raiders (uggh, I now hate him again), John Fox going elsewhere (I predict to Chicago), and Adam Gase taking interviews (I REALLY hope Denver pushes to get him) are we in a predicament? IF Denver doesn't get Adam Gase, then I have a very strong feeling that Peyton is retiring (I have seen some reports about going after Gary Kubiak (yuck!) and/or Dan Quinn (at least our Defense should be better).

Thomas & Thomas...

Is there any reason for either one of them to stay unless the Front Office offers some sort of big pay day (especially with no Peyton Manning at QB)? I would say the answer is no, and the both go elsewhere...I think we'll push hard at DT, but not so much on Orange Julius. So I have some hope that we'll get DT back...

RB galore...

I think the one area where we are getting fortunate is RB. We must have the greatest productivity at the position for the fewest cost. (Currently have 5 RBs at a measly $3.6M). I wouldn't be surprised if we released Jeremy Stewart ($660,000 and our 3rd most expensive RB), and likely traded away Ronnie Hillman. Granted, you might say that Montee Ball could be traded away. Personally, I think you have a pretty good mix in Ball, Hillman, and Anderson. Anderson will be your 1st and 2nd down back. 3rd and long, you put in Hillman for his receiving skills. 3rd and short, you put in Ball for his short range ability. Or you could put in JuWan for his bruising ability...

WR situation (7 WRs, 2 FAs, $9.5M+)

So this is a kind of a precarious situation if you ask me...and I don't think any moves with DT will be made until the HC and QB situation pan out. I think DT would love to come back and play with Peyton and be part of the quest to get Manning his next ring, just not so sure he doesn't test the FA waters if it's Osweiler as the starting QB. As far as Welker, he's gone. I just see no reason for the Broncos to bring him back. His skills have definitely declined (some will argue that he just didn't get the targets). But having to pay him probably more than Emmanuel Sanders ($5M+) doesn't strike me as a good business move. Question would be then, whose going to be the guy to go over the middle? Unfortunately, I don't think we have anyone else on the roster to fill that role (some argument could be made for Caldwell, but I don't think he wants to do it).

TE's...uhhh, do we have any? (4 TEs, 3 are FAs, 1 guy... who?)

So something that will definitely need to be addressed. Currently we have 4 TEs on the roster with 3 being UFAs. YIKES! The other guy (Dominque Jones) has 1 year left and $660k. I almost think you HAVE TO resign all of them... the market out there for this year isn't that great. Granted there are some exceptions (i.e. Jordan Cameron, Charles Clay, Owen Daniels, Zach Miller).

Enter DEF...

If 1 of them is tagged they have no choice but to stay. I think If Gase isn't the coach they need to do whatever they can to get Quinn, They NEED to keep both Thomas' at whatever cost because the rest of their offense (minus CJ and maybe Sanders) can't carry the full load. Broncos D hasn't been the greatest so I don't know how they can improve without going out and getting 4-5 players which I don't think I've ever seen any team do (unless it's a combo of FA/Draft).

[Carl]

Hi yea disappointing sums up my feelings, I am not a massive Manning fan so my hopes were tempered fairly or not by his post season legacy, however the run we have had is better than mediocrity! How many coaches have a 4 year record as follows -


8-8, playoff win
13-3, 1st seed
Conference champion and Super Bowl lose
2nd seed
four straight playoff appearances, three straight Division titles


then gets the boot?!

Honestly the optimum chance the Manning Fox teams blew at home against the Ravens, think that we could have won that Super Bowl.

Kubiak said he wants to stay in Baltimore however read we have approached them for permission to speak. He might want to be Elway's no.2 again?! I like the guy and suggest the run game would come to the fore again.

Undecided on Manning, with him we guarantee positive win/ loss record however he's on the slide. Brock is the unknown, if hes a bust would we be surprised? Elway loves him though and he knows more than me on QB's.

Demaryius Thomas notwithstanding his most recent performance is a top 5 WR and needs retaining, JT is to injury prone and not great in run blocking so hes expendable if Kubiak is hired.

Interesting times!

[Pot Roast]

Glad Fox is gone, I didn't like the signing to begin with I always thought he was too conservative. But I thought JDR or Adam would have gotten the job..

Manning hopefully makes a decision soon after a HC is hired, because weather he comes back or not will change the way the team is headed.


Keeps:
Demaryius Thomas
Terrance Knighton
Julius Thomas
Virgil Green One of the Best Blockers at the position imo.
Bradon Marshall
Aaron Brewer
John Youboty Another off-season I think we be ready to bring it.
Franklin

Noteable Cuts:
Brock Osweiler
Wes Welker he just plain got old and isn't worth the change.
Jacob Tamme
Rahim Moore
Quinton Carter
Nate Irving


I Think Montee Ball had a rough year but to be fair he did miss a lot of pre-season due to appendix surgery, and once he finally got on track had a groin injury. I like CJ Anderson but I just don't ever see him busting a run for more then 25 yards. Ronnie Hillman was a stud when he was healthy I don't mind keeping him.

How we should attack the draft:
1st: Safety/LB hopefully one falls into our laps maybe even leap frog a few teams if there's someone still on the board. I really want Benardrick McKinney I enjoyed watching him play in college and I think he will be a 3-down ILB that we need.

2nd: TE or Oline. I'm not sure if there's any big names in the tight ends that would garnish a 2nd but if there is one I would act.

3. TE or Oline ^ whatever we didn't get here

4th. LB or S

5th. Oline hopefully a sleeper.


Of course if Peyton hangs them up I think we should go after a QB,
Garrett Grayson slips to the 4th I say we pull the trigger. I think he will be a sleeper, and a Battle with Dysert should do the team well.


Go Broncos!

[usafshelland]

Glad Fox is gone, I didn't like the signing to begin with I always thought he was too conservative. But I thought JDR or Adam would have gotten the job..

Manning hopefully makes a decision soon after a HC is hired, because weather he comes back or not will change the way the team is headed.


Keeps:
Demaryius Thomas
Terrance Knighton
Julius Thomas
Virgil Green One of the Best Blockers at the position imo.
Bradon Marshall
Aaron Brewer
John Youboty Another off-season I think we be ready to bring it.
Franklin

Noteable Cuts:
Brock Osweiler
Wes Welker he just plain got old and isn't worth the change.
Jacob Tamme
Rahim Moore
Quinton Carter
Nate Irving


I Think Montee Ball had a rough year but to be fair he did miss a lot of pre-season due to appendix surgery, and once he finally got on track had a groin injury. I like CJ Anderson but I just don't ever see him busting a run for more then 25 yards. Ronnie Hillman was a stud when he was healthy I don't mind keeping him.

How we should attack the draft:
1st: Safety/LB hopefully one falls into our laps maybe even leap frog a few teams if there's someone still on the board. I really want Benardrick McKinney I enjoyed watching him play in college and I think he will be a 3-down ILB that we need.

2nd: TE or Oline. I'm not sure if there's any big names in the tight ends that would garnish a 2nd but if there is one I would act.

3. TE or Oline ^ whatever we didn't get here

4th. LB or S

5th. Oline hopefully a sleeper.


Of course if Peyton hangs them up I think we should go after a QB,
Garrett Grayson slips to the 4th I say we pull the trigger. I think he will be a sleeper, and a Battle with Dysert should do the team well.


Go Broncos!

I appreciate your opinions, but I would have to question some of them...

1) QBs... you know we have Peyton, Brock, and Dysert (on practice squad). So Peyton retires, you cut Brock, and start Dysert?

2) TEs... the market is ok for TEs, but I do like you resigning JT and Virgil. Granted Virgil has hands made of rocks...

3) S... we HAVE to re-sign Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter. The market for safeties is not all that great at best, and there's only ONE legit S coming out of the draft. I think for the cost to re-sign Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter is better than going out and trying to find someone to replace them.

[Pot Roast]

I appreciate your opinions, but I would have to question some of them...

1) QBs... you know we have Peyton, Brock, and Dysert (on practice squad). So Peyton retires, you cut Brock, and start Dysert?

2) TEs... the market is ok for TEs, but I do like you resigning JT and Virgil. Granted Virgil has hands made of rocks...

3) S... we HAVE to re-sign Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter. The market for safeties is not all that great at best, and there's only ONE legit S coming out of the draft. I think for the cost to re-sign Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter is better than going out and trying to find someone to replace them.

1. That's right I thought we had another guy on the PS Renner must have not been very good. I think getting a vet like Colt McCoy would work and draft a qb if Peyton is gone. If Peyton stays I say we cut Osweiler regardless.

2. I wish we would use virgil in the backfield more, he had a few rushes, he's big strong and fast enough to really plow those short yardage situations. Like you said his hands are stone, and that's why i think we would need to draft or get another te that is really balanced in blocking and catching.

3. I don't see it man, Rahim Moore and QC are liabilities. Carter is injury prone and isn't all that good to me to begin with, I guess it comes down to price. Moore to me is inconsistent and I just don't seem him being the guy we need, he has had some great games but has had more stinkers. I say we sign a vet like Stevie Brown and Draft a Safety. I think the draft has some solid Safeties. I think one has to go though.

[usafshelland]

1. That's right I thought we had another guy on the PS Renner must have not been very good. I think getting a vet like Colt McCoy would work and draft a qb if Peyton is gone. If Peyton stays I say we cut Osweiler regardless.

2. I wish we would use virgil in the backfield more, he had a few rushes, he's big strong and fast enough to really plow those short yardage situations. Like you said his hands are stone, and that's why i think we would need to draft or get another te that is really balanced in blocking and catching.

3. I don't see it man, Rahim Moore and QC are liabilities. Carter is injury prone and isn't all that good to me to begin with, I guess it comes down to price. Moore to me is inconsistent and I just don't seem him being the guy we need, he has had some great games but has had more stinkers. I say we sign a vet like Stevie Brown and Draft a Safety. I think the draft has some solid Safeties. I think one has to go though.

Please refresh my mind what S out of college you are thinking... from what I recall, only 1 had a rating of over 90. I swear it seems like the draft classes have kind of gone downhill year by year...

[usafshelland]

Let me also throw this out there... we cut Peyton... that gives us something like $41M in cap space for 2015... more than enough money to go out and there and sign some people.

[addicted36]

Hope that a Redskins fan can join the party. I'm a big fan of Brock Osweiler, more so then most and wanted to share this

Brock Osweiler gets high marks from Denver Broncos - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000457804/article/brock-osweiler-gets-high-marks-from-denver-broncos)

If Peyton does not come back it immediately opens up 19 million in cap space for you that you could use on impending Free Agents

[addicted36]

Brock Osweiler, too, in waiting game - AFC West Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/70219/brock-osweiler-too-in-waiting-game)


Elway said he told Manning Monday, when the two met in Elway's office, to take "five-six weeks" to make his decision about next season. Elway also added he believed Manning would be back and that he and the Broncos wanted Manning back.

Good news for those wanting him back, good overall article about the QB situation

[Pot Roast]

Please refresh my mind what S out of college you are thinking... from what I recall, only 1 had a rating of over 90. I swear it seems like the draft classes have kind of gone downhill year by year...

I like to go by the eyeball test more so then rating, and of course the combine.

Jalen Mills from LSU could go 1-3 according to walter football, I watched him play and I really like what he brings to the table, plus LSU is a factory for Safeties.

I think Peyton is done, I mean all cordinators are gone and he reportedly doesn't like change.

I say the Broncos bring a vet in if they don't draft another qb without Peyton. I want Osweiler out, I think we go 8-8 at best with him.

[packman80]

If manning retires Denver will be 6-10 next season.

[jbrandonw]

You guys think Sanders will stay?

[Pot Roast]

You guys think Sanders will stay?

Latimer replaces him at the end of his contract, I don't see him leaving. He was signed for three years.


Hopefully Latimer takes the next step and can be a consistent number 3 next year.

[addicted36]

I like to go by the eyeball test more so then rating, and of course the combine.

Jalen Mills from LSU could go 1-3 according to walter football, I watched him play and I really like what he brings to the table, plus LSU is a factory for Safeties.

I think Peyton is done, I mean all cordinators are gone and he reportedly doesn't like change.

I say the Broncos bring a vet in if they don't draft another qb without Peyton. I want Osweiler out, I think we go 8-8 at best with him.

Why? You normally do not throw away a 2nd round pick like that without knowing what you have. He's gotten better each preseason game he's played. Manning takes the practice reps, so he's not had much opportunity but he's definitely shown improvement and looked good for them when he got to play.

[packman80]

Elway so happy with what he has done he thanks himself.

John Elway Starts Broncos Press Conference by Thanking John Elway | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2328654-john-elway-starts-broncos-press-conference-by-thanking-john-elway?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league)

[Pot Roast]

Why? You normally do not throw away a 2nd round pick like that without knowing what you have. He's gotten better each preseason game he's played. Manning takes the practice reps, so he's not had much opportunity but he's definitely shown improvement and looked good for them when he got to play.

Clearly the Broncos do not trust him, Manning had a torn quad and we had the playoffs locked up, if they thought Osweiler was a decent enough QB they would have let Peyton rest tell the playoffs. Now I know we were playing for the first round bye but his game against the Bengals was pathetic, and come on it was the Raiders really? Are Second string QB should be able to edge out the Raiders at home........................But they didn't and that's why I want him out.

Peyton could have had three weeks of rest and who knows maybe against the colts he wouldn't resort to throwing fireballs a mesmerizing 3 whole yards down field.

[56chev]

Elway so happy with what he has done he thanks himself.

John Elway Starts Broncos Press Conference by Thanking John Elway | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2328654-john-elway-starts-broncos-press-conference-by-thanking-john-elway?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league)

GOSH this made me literally laugh out loud.

Clearly the Broncos do not trust him, Manning had a torn quad and we had the playoffs locked up, if they thought Osweiler was a decent enough QB they would have let Peyton rest tell the playoffs. Now I know we were playing for the first round bye but his game against the Bengals was pathetic, and come on it was the Raiders really? Are Second string QB should be able to edge out the Raiders at home........................But they didn't and that's why I want him out.

Peyton could have had three weeks of rest and who knows maybe against the colts he wouldn't resort to throwing fireballs a mesmerizing 3 whole yards down field.

A part of me hates to say this, but you have good points.

I WANT Brock to be the guy, something makes me think it isn't going to happen, but I'd love to have a young, Broncos drafted franchise QB.

I think the biggest thing (IMO) with Brock is the fact that no one really knows how good he'll be, or how bad. There are so many things that we as fans have no idea about, his work ethic, his development as a QB, how does he get along with Manning? Elway? The other players? There are so many variables, and, again IMO the only way to find out is to let him take the wheel even if for a short time. Problem with this is as I see it if Manning stays next year, Brock's rookie contract is up at the end of '15 and with him being such a question mark, can we pay him what he is "worth"? I tend to think that another team needing a QB will gladly scoop him up and give him a shot.
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I REALLY want us to sign Demaryius to a good contract, I think he is our guy. Sure he has some drops here and there, but he is great after the catch, he catches *most passes, he gets open, he's big, he's physical, everything you'd want in a WR.

I have mixed feelings on Julius, as someone above stated, there isn't a huge crop of TE's in the league that can do what he can do. However he is NOT a blocking TE, which makes him pretty much a WR (not a hugely bad thing). We do however have too many TE's, 4? Cut two imo.

I agree with USAFShelland on Rahim and QC, considering the lack of GOOD safety's in the league, we should pony up on them. I think we ended up with the 3rd? ranked defense, so we shouldn't mess up a good thing too much. I do however think we are SEVERELY lacking at the LB position, I think we need to go hard at the draft on an LB.

[LordLansdowne]

Clearly the Broncos do not trust him, Manning had a torn quad and we had the playoffs locked up, if they thought Osweiler was a decent enough QB they would have let Peyton rest tell the playoffs. Now I know we were playing for the first round bye but his game against the Bengals was pathetic, and come on it was the Raiders really? Are Second string QB should be able to edge out the Raiders at home........................But they didn't and that's why I want him out.

Peyton could have had three weeks of rest and who knows maybe against the colts he wouldn't resort to throwing fireballs a mesmerizing 3 whole yards down field.

Peyton Manning was the boss. He's not getting benched by the coaches and he's not going to take himself out of a game (he's got records to break and stats to put up).

If Peyton retires it's going to be a full competition between Osweiler, Dysert, a vet or another draft pick.

[Brafcauknid]

Glad Fox is gone, I didn't like the signing to begin with I always thought he was too conservative. But I thought JDR or Adam would have gotten the job..

Manning hopefully makes a decision soon after a HC is hired, because weather he comes back or not will change the way the team is headed.


Keeps:
Demaryius Thomas
Terrance Knighton
Julius Thomas
Virgil Green One of the Best Blockers at the position imo.
Bradon Marshall
Aaron Brewer
John Youboty Another off-season I think we be ready to bring it.
Franklin

Noteable Cuts:
Brock Osweiler
Wes Welker he just plain got old and isn't worth the change.
Jacob Tamme
Rahim Moore
Quinton Carter
Nate Irving



Go Broncos!

The broncos simply do not have the funds to keep JT, DT, Franklin, and Knighton. Its going to be extremely difficult to keep 2 of those 4. Not to mention, pot roast's latest comments dont sound like he has any interest in sticking around denver.

[TheBurg]

Thoughts on Dysert from Broncos fans? I think he can be a very good starter.

[56chev]

Thoughts on Dysert from Broncos fans? I think he can be a very good starter.

I seem to remember your Dysert drum beating from a little while back. :D

Honestly though, he doesn't get hardly any mention, most Broncos fans have no idea who he is. (I feel like the only reason I know who he is is due to card collecting)

At the very least, he's a seventh round QB on our practice squad that will have to prove himself at some point whether it's on the Broncos or somewhere else.

[green4407]

Cut Manning, bring Tebow back...

[usafshelland]

Love those trolls....said no one ever.

[Pot Roast]

Cut Manning, bring Tebow back...

higher playoff winning percentage at least.LOL

[broncofan92]

It's going to be an interesting off season I'm hoping for the best. I'm sure they keep Demaryius no matter what and hope they resign Knighton, I see welker leaving and latimer possibly being his replacement. As for QB if manning retires which I hope he doesn't I honestly don't think osweiler will be his replacement I see the next coach drafting someone else.

[green4407]

Love those trolls....said no one ever.

Couldn't help that comment since nobody said it yet. :devil:

I'm no troll though, a die hard Broncos fan. I will say that I wanted Fox fired at the beginning of his first year when he had that crap conservative offense with Orton as QB and we were 0-4 and he wouldn't put Tebow in.

As mediocre as Kubiak was with the Texans, I'd love for him to be the coach. Probably more emotional than rational since I grew up with him as Elway's backup. He could get Alex Gibbs back teaching that O-Line and C.J. Anderson will run wild just like TD did. I think that's the way to go to protect Peyton and give it one more run at the Super Bowl. I think Peyton's days carrying the team are done.

We need to keep Demaryius, Welker can go he's finished. I also agree that Rahim Moore is expendable, he's too inconsistent. Don't worry about who's rated high in the draft, just look at C.J. Anderson, Chris Harris, etc. and who remembers Tyrone Braxton? 12th round pick in 1987. There's plenty of very good football players out there that can outperform Moore.

[usafshelland]

I think everyone would agree... Welker is OUT. I don't know that Latimer is the slot guy though... I'm think Caldwell or possibly going out and getting that guy from Dallas? OH what the hell is his name...

edit: Beasley! That's his name...

[addicted36]

Clearly the Broncos do not trust him, Manning had a torn quad and we had the playoffs locked up, if they thought Osweiler was a decent enough QB they would have let Peyton rest tell the playoffs. Now I know we were playing for the first round bye but his game against the Bengals was pathetic, and come on it was the Raiders really? Are Second string QB should be able to edge out the Raiders at home........................But they didn't and that's why I want him out.

Peyton could have had three weeks of rest and who knows maybe against the colts he wouldn't resort to throwing fireballs a mesmerizing 3 whole yards down field.

Well not sure where your getting he had a torn quad from because all reports that led up to the playoff game didn't mention that before, likely because at the time they weren't supposed to lose that game and its a matter of semantics


They also said the tear-strain debate could be a matter of semantics because a strain occurs when a muscle is stretched too much and tears. It's also called a pulled muscle.

It sounds way way worse to say "He had a torn quad" instead of saying he had a pulled muscle right? Also reports that he had two injuries to his thighs at the time of that game were disputed by Manning himself when he said

He did, however, dispute a report that he had injuries to both thighs, saying "that would be news to me."

Denver Broncos teammates didn't see Peyton Manning trying to hide extent of injury | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/denver-broncos-peyton-manning-teammates-injury-011215)

Further, that game against the Raiders was a must win. They had to win that game so Peyton played. Also not sure if you know how the practices go with Peyton Manning under center. See Manning is a practice hog. He doesn't sit out, he doesn't give up reps, he is a machine and a selfish one at that and doesn't take any plays off. He's been that way since before he was on the Colts. Osweiler hasn't had the reps with the starters that he needs for anyone to bench Manning if he could play

To expect that Manning could play and they bench him in that playoff game or that must win against the Raiders to me is an interesting thought. I don't think anyone would have done that, well maybe you would have but the list of who would have benched him there would be extremely small. It's not that they didn't trust Osweiler, its that your benching one of the top 5 QB's of all time in the playoffs? You don't do that unless the man can't play and he could play. Also why would you bench someone who your paying close to 20 million bucks to play? It defies reasoning to me to do that

About the injury, well most people who mention it are ignoring how he was playing like crap before that Chargers game when this injury occurred.

The two previous games he threw for only 179 yards in that game and then he threw for only 173 yards in the game before the Chargers game. He wasn't injured then, he was tired. The first half of the season he played like Peyton Manning, the second half of the season he played like a 39 years old is expected to play. The man is old and tired and who can blame him? After last years Superbowl run, after all of the games the mans tank was empty. The injury is overblown to me. He wasn't playing good before then even because Father times caught him. How that reflects on Osweiler I don't get because we all know Aaron Rodgers is injured and he's still playing and no one's suggesting this weekend that he should sit right?

[addicted36]

A part of me hates to say this, but you have good points.

I WANT Brock to be the guy, something makes me think it isn't going to happen, but I'd love to have a young, Broncos drafted franchise QB.

I think the biggest thing (IMO) with Brock is the fact that no one really knows how good he'll be, or how bad. There are so many things that we as fans have no idea about, his work ethic, his development as a QB, how does he get along with Manning? Elway? The other players? There are so many variables, and, again IMO the only way to find out is to let him take the wheel even if for a short time. Problem with this is as I see it if Manning stays next year, Brock's rookie contract is up at the end of '15 and with him being such a question mark, can we pay him what he is "worth"? I tend to think that another team needing a QB will gladly scoop him up and give him a shot.

The answers are out there, you just have to find them

Brock Osweiler gets high marks from Denver Broncos - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000457804/article/brock-osweiler-gets-high-marks-from-denver-broncos)

"I can tell you from sources inside the Broncos organization, this is a guy they feel very good about," NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported on NFL Network on Tuesday. "The reviews internally on Brock Osweiler are high, so if Peyton Manning does not come back, they do feel confident that they have a quarterback who can step in and have some level of success in there after Peyton Manning, whenever he does decide to retire."

Chris Mortensen's content "57th pick- Denver selects Arizona State QB Brock Osweiler. Most evaluators I talked to mentioned he?" on WhoSay (http://www.whosay.com/status/ChrisMortensen/281981)

Most evaluators I talked to mentioned he can make all the throws and that he is a big time leader


There are lots of others out there but don't let the talking be the final answer, watch the tape on him. Lots to digest here if your wondering what kinda player you guys have

Evaluating Brock Osweiler Part 2 - Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/8/21/6052839/evaluating-brock-osweiler-part-2)

We have two very different games that are starting to give us a clearer image on what Brock Osweiler can do as a quarterback in this league. His fundamentals are fine. Footwork, drops, release, all of those things are vastly improved from his rookie season. Against Seattle, he faced more pressure from the front 4 and showed the ability to scramble and make lemonade out of lemons.

Against San Francisco, the Niners dropped in coverage more giving us the opportunity to see Brock read through his progressions and make good decisions. Outside of one play, he passed the test. The blitz does not phase Brock. Each time against the San Francisco defense he knew where it was coming from and where his read would be.

Brock is starting to do the little things that make Peyton Manning such a weapon. He isn't afraid to check into a run with a light box count. He is identifying his coverages, taking shots downfield when he has one on one's, and looking for the quick YAC on a WR screen when the corner is off the LOS. We saw him read leverage on the post to Wilson (even though he threw a bad ball).

As far as ball placement, he can thread the needle over a dropping linebacker to hit his TE on a seam route. On short rhythm passes he is leading his receivers, giving them the opportunity to get some YAC. Deep down the field he picks spots to throw to that the defender can't get to.

When it comes to progress, I see a lot of good. The negatives are few and seem to be things that can be corrected with more experience. Every once in a while he will have a bad throw or make a bad decision, but that is the exception, not the rule.

Overall, I see a player that can face pressure, extend plays, hit receivers accurately at all levels of the field, and make the right reads at the LOS.

Not sure how much Brock Osweiler will play in the 3rd preseason game, but I'm looking to see him continue to build upon his impressive and consistent showings thus far in preseason.

and here

Brock Osweiler: Final preseason evaluation - Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/mhr-film-study/2014/9/2/6096253/brock-osweiler-final-preseason-evaluation)

Brock is coming along well. He has all the physical tools--this preseason he has started to put together his understanding of the game together with his capabilities and there are lots of promising signs of improvement some of which show through on a play to play basis, others represented by the overall success of the offense.

I am confident in my analysis that Brock's ceiling is still very high. Does that mean he will be an elite QB someday? Could be, the potential is certainly there. Bottom line, Brock will go as far in this game as he wants to. If he were to approach the level of dedication and study that Peyton Manning puts in every week, the future of the Denver Broncos shines bright.

The stage isn't too big for Brock Osweiler. He can make all the throws. He has shown the ability to read defenses at least on a base-intermediate level. He has shown the ability to remain cool in pressure situations, and he can use his legs to make plays that aren't there. That being said, I hope we only get to see him in mop-up duty this season.



I know about all of this because I PC Osweiler. It's my due diligence on display. I'm sure that some clowns will call me posting this stuff trolling because they know no better but truth is I just don't get why fans of the Broncos are down on this kid? He's going to be very good in this league and if you know what to look for, and you understand things like Jack Elway is Brock Osweiler's best friend in real life and that John Elway knew Brock long before he drafted him and hand picked him to replace Manning and lead the Broncos after Manning, and you pay attention to this you would feel better about Osweiler in Denver.

The only negative thing that is repeating with Osweiler is the feeling that some people think that he leaves and never plays a game for the Broncos. They don't understand that he joined the league at the age of 21 years old. That he is only 24 years old today and how he went back to college to get his degree, how he's constantly remarked about his leadership by other players around him, how he's more then just some fly by night player. Of course everything out there could be wrong, and Osweiler sucks in which case I would be wrong in my opinion but with Manning being 39 before the season starts next year and only these players in the history of the league ever playing a single game over the age of 40

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/40_and_over_club.aspx

The chances are highly unlikely that Peyton comes back next year and if he does he actually plays well. The future is here and now. He's your proof

Also about his age, people tend to mention his height as something good about him and I think it is but his age is the real great thing about him. Three years in the league and is younger then every one of the 2012 Drafted QB class

Andrew Luck
Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiler
Kirk Cousins
Nick Foles
Robert Griffin III
Russell Wilson
Ryan Lindley
Ryan Tannehill


Except one - Robert Griffin. That's awesome to me and shows a longevity to his career then the others.

[Pot Roast]

Well not sure where your getting he had a torn quad from because all reports that led up to the playoff game didn't mention that before, likely because at the time they weren't supposed to lose that game and its a matter of semantics



It sounds way way worse to say "He had a torn quad" instead of saying he had a pulled muscle right? Also reports that he had two injuries to his thighs at the time of that game were disputed by Manning himself when he said



Denver Broncos teammates didn't see Peyton Manning trying to hide extent of injury | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/denver-broncos-peyton-manning-teammates-injury-011215)

Further, that game against the Raiders was a must win. They had to win that game so Peyton played. Also not sure if you know how the practices go with Peyton Manning under center. See Manning is a practice hog. He doesn't sit out, he doesn't give up reps, he is a machine and a selfish one at that and doesn't take any plays off. He's been that way since before he was on the Colts. Osweiler hasn't had the reps with the starters that he needs for anyone to bench Manning if he could play

To expect that Manning could play and they bench him in that playoff game or that must win against the Raiders to me is an interesting thought. I don't think anyone would have done that, well maybe you would have but the list of who would have benched him there would be extremely small. It's not that they didn't trust Osweiler, its that your benching one of the top 5 QB's of all time in the playoffs? You don't do that unless the man can't play and he could play. Also why would you bench someone who your paying close to 20 million bucks to play? It defies reasoning to me to do that

About the injury, well most people who mention it are ignoring how he was playing like crap before that Chargers game when this injury occurred.

The two previous games he threw for only 179 yards in that game and then he threw for only 173 yards in the game before the Chargers game. He wasn't injured then, he was tired. The first half of the season he played like Peyton Manning, the second half of the season he played like a 39 years old is expected to play. The man is old and tired and who can blame him? After last years Superbowl run, after all of the games the mans tank was empty. The injury is overblown to me. He wasn't playing good before then even because Father times caught him. How that reflects on Osweiler I don't get because we all know Aaron Rodgers is injured and he's still playing and no one's suggesting this weekend that he should sit right?


Why would we sit Peyton in the Playoffs, after the Chargers game we only had to beat Bengals or Raiders to clinch a bye.?The Final two games of the season we went 1-1....Getting are butts handed to us by the Bengals, and beating the Raiders at home. If the coaching staff trusted Osweiler and actually mean that he can be the future why not give him those games and practices ? Manning's a pratice hog, so? Sit him out that's what a coach does..Protects the player from himself, If Fox came out and said, manning is beat up and we have faith in Osweiler to win us the next two games and to have a healthy peyton in the playoffs I'm sure Broncos fan would accept it. I know I would. The offense we were running would help Osweiler too, we weren't asking a lot from the QB, and with his arm talent we could have had some great play-actions........But for some reason Fox and that Staff chose to continue with 5 and in Peyton,With an occasional timing route.

Everyone forgets Elway only played in 13 games his final year, he had some injuries but Shannon knew he needed Elway healthy, did Elway want to play? Probably, was he pissed? I bet so, but Shannon did it anyways, heck they even won all the games.. With only seven pro-bowlers on the team, we had 10 this year...

Actions speak louder then words, especially words about pre-season evaluation. I hope i'm wrong I want Osweiler to be a top 15 QB next year, but realistically I think the Broncos are not putting all the eggs in that basket for a reason. Plus a new HC and most likely a new OC, Osweiler isn't there guy, maybe he doesn't fit what they want to do. They could be going to the draft for a guy they like or FA wire.

[56chev]

The answers are out there, you just have to find them

Brock Osweiler gets high marks from Denver Broncos - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000457804/article/brock-osweiler-gets-high-marks-from-denver-broncos)



Chris Mortensen's content "57th pick- Denver selects Arizona State QB Brock Osweiler. Most evaluators I talked to mentioned he?" on WhoSay (http://www.whosay.com/status/ChrisMortensen/281981)




There are lots of others out there but don't let the talking be the final answer, watch the tape on him. Lots to digest here if your wondering what kinda player you guys have

Evaluating Brock Osweiler Part 2 - Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/8/21/6052839/evaluating-brock-osweiler-part-2)



and here

Brock Osweiler: Final preseason evaluation - Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/mhr-film-study/2014/9/2/6096253/brock-osweiler-final-preseason-evaluation)





I know about all of this because I PC Osweiler. It's my due diligence on display. I'm sure that some clowns will call me posting this stuff trolling because they know no better but truth is I just don't get why fans of the Broncos are down on this kid? He's going to be very good in this league and if you know what to look for, and you understand things like Jack Elway is Brock Osweiler's best friend in real life and that John Elway knew Brock long before he drafted him and hand picked him to replace Manning and lead the Broncos after Manning, and you pay attention to this you would feel better about Osweiler in Denver.

The only negative thing that is repeating with Osweiler is the feeling that some people think that he leaves and never plays a game for the Broncos. They don't understand that he joined the league at the age of 21 years old. That he is only 24 years old today and how he went back to college to get his degree, how he's constantly remarked about his leadership by other players around him, how he's more then just some fly by night player. Of course everything out there could be wrong, and Osweiler sucks in which case I would be wrong in my opinion but with Manning being 39 before the season starts next year and only these players in the history of the league ever playing a single game over the age of 40

History: Players Who've Played in NFL at Age 40 or Older (http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/40_and_over_club.aspx)

The chances are highly unlikely that Peyton comes back next year and if he does he actually plays well. The future is here and now. He's your proof

Also about his age, people tend to mention his height as something good about him and I think it is but his age is the real great thing about him. Three years in the league and is younger then every one of the 2012 Drafted QB class

Andrew Luck
Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiler
Kirk Cousins
Nick Foles
Robert Griffin III
Russell Wilson
Ryan Lindley
Ryan Tannehill


Except one - Robert Griffin. That's awesome to me and shows a longevity to his career then the others.

You've got me wrong; I desperately want Osweiler to be the guy. He has shown good abilities in the small time that he has played on a pro level, he was a second round pick (ahead of Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Kirk Cousins), he's a drafted Bronco, etc.

My opinion is that IF Manning stays next year, Osweiler will get picked up for a decent amount of $ after the '15-'16 season as it is his contract year. Again, just my pessimistic view. I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

All of the facts you stated are wonderful, but shall we go down the list of "bust" QB's that never panned out despite all of the good "facts" prior to them playing regularly in the NFL? We'll start with Ryan Leaf I guess....

[Pot Roast]

You've got me wrong; I desperately want Osweiler to be the guy. He has shown good abilities in the small time that he has played on a pro level, he was a second round pick (ahead of Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Kirk Cousins), he's a drafted Bronco, etc.

My opinion is that IF Manning stays next year, Osweiler will get picked up for a decent amount of $ after the '15-'16 season as it is his contract year. Again, just my pessimistic view. I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

All of the facts you stated are wonderful, but shall we go down the list of "bust" QB's that never panned out despite all of the good "facts" prior to them playing regularly in the NFL? We'll start with Ryan Leaf I guess....

Wilson still pains me to this day. I wish Elway saw what I saw.

[trixstar]

@RapSheet

The #Broncos are finalizing a 4-year deal with new coach Gary Kubiak, source confirms (as @MikeKlis said). He’ll be their coach.

[addicted36]

Adam Schefter just tweeted its a done deal, 4 years.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=denver-broncos&id=11504&src=desktop

[briscogun]

Adam Schefter just tweeted its a done deal, 4 years. Hows the relationship with Kubiak and Manning?

Guess we'll find out.

If Manning comes back I guess it's okay. Might have a lot to do with whomever gets named OC, too...

[Samiamryan]

Even if Osweiler gets the nod, Denver will bring in a veteran QB as a plan B. Any thoughts? (Please dont say Schaub)

[addicted36]

Even if Osweiler gets the nod, Denver will bring in a veteran QB as a plan B. Any thoughts? (Please dont say Schaub)

Depends on if they want a young vet or a seasoned ie. Old timer. Vick and Sanchez would be decent choices if you wanted an old guy. Young guy like Tyrod Taylor would be interesting to me because of the offensive scheme.

Kubiak roles his QB out and throws on the run more then most offenses, fits Osweilers skillset pretty good and Mannings not so much. Of course if he comes back he should be expected to match the scheme with Mannings ability

[Pot Roast]

looks like the Broncos are spending time with qbs.


Broncos showing interest in quarterback Garrett Grayson, among others, at 2015 Senior Bowl - Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/1/24/7878867/senior-bowl-2015-denver-broncos-garrett-grayson)

Oddly it's the two QBs I like the most in the draft. Looks like the Broncos are ready for a competition if Manning doesn't come back.

Also looks like we are exploring the tight-end position maybe we don't want to pay JT?


Glad to see we at least checked out a LB(who most likely will be picked ahead in the 1st round) and a tackle.

[usafshelland]

Well, now that a few pieces are in place... where are the Broncos headed?

HC - Gary Kubiak. Well, I don't think his play style fits Peyton Manning AT ALL. I don't know why people say Osweiler would fit this schema either. He isn't all that mobile.

DC - Wade Philips. He's actually kind of a middle of the road DC. Sure he's had 1 #1 Scoring Defense, but over his 23 year DC career he's only been avg. about #15. Sorry, but a #15 Def with a Running 1st offense isn't going to drive a lot of 13-3, 12-4 seasons. I think we'll be lucky to be 10-6, 11-5 type of team.

OC - Rick Dennison. Well, I think he fits nicely for C.J. Anderson. Unfortunately, this will take away from anything Peyton wants to do. I can already see it's going to be rush on 1st down, rush on 2nd down...3rd and 3+ = slants, 3rd and 2- = rush. Based on this, I don't really see them bringing back Welker, and will even have some problem getting DT to buy into this. Ultimately, JT is out.

[Pot Roast]

Well, now that a few pieces are in place... where are the Broncos headed?

HC - Gary Kubiak. Well, I don't think his play style fits Peyton Manning AT ALL. I don't know why people say Osweiler would fit this schema either. He isn't all that mobile.

DC - Wade Philips. He's actually kind of a middle of the road DC. Sure he's had 1 #1 Scoring Defense, but over his 23 year DC career he's only been avg. about #15. Sorry, but a #15 Def with a Running 1st offense isn't going to drive a lot of 13-3, 12-4 seasons. I think we'll be lucky to be 10-6, 11-5 type of team.

OC - Rick Dennison. Well, I think he fits nicely for C.J. Anderson. Unfortunately, this will take away from anything Peyton wants to do. I can already see it's going to be rush on 1st down, rush on 2nd down...3rd and 3+ = slants, 3rd and 2- = rush. Based on this, I don't really see them bringing back Welker, and will even have some problem getting DT to buy into this. Ultimately, JT is out.

Kubiak made a offense around Andre Johnson he can make one around DT.
You're forgetting Kubiak is an offensive guy, and a former QB if he has a guy like Peyton Manning he will be slinging the rock, now if we get a Rookie QB in or something like that sure we will run the ball more, but I think Kubiak can muster up some deep bombs for DT like he did Andre Johnson.

Welker might retire, which he should he just god old last season and worth too much.


I don't think Wade Phillips ever had so much talent on defense on one team though?
Chris Harris
TJ Ward
Aqib Talib
Roby
Ware
Miller

Let's not forget:
When he joined Gary Kubiak’s Texans staff in 2011, Phillips took over the league’s 30th-ranked unit and led them to a No. 2 overall ranking. He coached Associated Press NFL Defensive Player of the Year J.J. Watt in 2012. In 2004, he took over as DC for the 4-12 Chargers and helped lead them to a 12-4 record and a playoff berth. In one season, that defense rose from 31st to 11th in points against in the NFL.


I also think we should try and get another RB, Hillman, Ball, Anderson are to injury prone. I think Ball was just a luck of misfortune appendix about to burst right as pre-season starts and then trying to catch up and hurt his groin. I'm not sure if Anderson can be a 16 game RB. Hillman was on fire and even blowing up ebay until he got injured, just stinks we got talent but always getting injured.


The rbs in free agency scare me at this point, CJ Spiller could be a great pick up but not sure if he can be healthy enough. I wonder if we could get darren mcfadden for cheap, at least he has the same amount of passing td's as Osweiler.:devil:

[usafshelland]

Kubiak made a offense around Andre Johnson he can make one around DT.
You're forgetting Kubiak is an offensive guy, and a former QB if he has a guy like Peyton Manning he will be slinging the rock, now if we get a Rookie QB in or something like that sure we will run the ball more, but I think Kubiak can muster up some deep bombs for DT like he did Andre Johnson.

Welker might retire, which he should he just god old last season and worth too much.


I don't think Wade Phillips ever had so much talent on defense on one team though?
Chris Harris
TJ Ward
Aqib Talib
Roby
Ware
Miller

Let's not forget:
When he joined Gary Kubiak’s Texans staff in 2011, Phillips took over the league’s 30th-ranked unit and led them to a No. 2 overall ranking. He coached Associated Press NFL Defensive Player of the Year J.J. Watt in 2012. In 2004, he took over as DC for the 4-12 Chargers and helped lead them to a 12-4 record and a playoff berth. In one season, that defense rose from 31st to 11th in points against in the NFL.


I also think we should try and get another RB, Hillman, Ball, Anderson are to injury prone. I think Ball was just a luck of misfortune appendix about to burst right as pre-season starts and then trying to catch up and hurt his groin. I'm not sure if Anderson can be a 16 game RB. Hillman was on fire and even blowing up ebay until he got injured, just stinks we got talent but always getting injured.


The rbs in free agency scare me at this point, CJ Spiller could be a great pick up but not sure if he can be healthy enough. I wonder if we could get darren mcfadden for cheap, at least he has the same amount of passing td's as Osweiler.:devil:

Man, I really hope we don't go after old over the hill guys like McFadden or MJD. I don't know if they are past their prime or just look bad for being in crappy offenses.

[Pot Roast]

Man, I really hope we don't go after old over the hill guys like McFadden or MJD. I don't know if they are past their prime or just look bad for being in crappy offenses.

I think McFadden (27 years old) isn't over the hill, just had been on some baaaaaaaad teams, but he could get injured and we will be back where we started.


Maybe a proven vet like Chris Johnson if he does get cut? he's older, but basically spent last year on the sidelines, and I think he still has enough speed to give us a huge boost in the running game... Of course I only want this if Manning comes back.

[Brafcauknid]

If your worried about having injury prone RB's....you may want to pass on McFadden.

[usafshelland]

I think McFadden (27 years old) isn't over the hill, just had been on some baaaaaaaad teams, but he could get injured and we will be back where we started.


Maybe a proven vet like Chris Johnson if he does get cut? he's older, but basically spent last year on the sidelines, and I think he still has enough speed to give us a huge boost in the running game... Of course I only want this if Manning comes back.

Honestly, I'm not even sure why you recommend going after RBs. I would say if anything, that might be our strongest area for the price we are paying. C.J. Anderson, Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, and JuWan Thompson. I just don't see us adding a 5th RB, especially one whose going to require the same pay as all 4 of these guys combined.

[Pot Roast]

Honestly, I'm not even sure why you recommend going after RBs. I would say if anything, that might be our strongest area for the price we are paying. C.J. Anderson, Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, and JuWan Thompson. I just don't see us adding a 5th RB, especially one whose going to require the same pay as all 4 of these guys combined.

Ronnie Hillman will be gone if we go after a vet. I like hi, he just doesn't have the size for the NFL, he can never play a full season heck first time he has over 100 carries and misses half the season from injury. I have no confidence in him staying healthy.

Juwan Thompson/Montee Ball/ CJ Anderson none of these guys can hit a homerun, they just don't have that breakaway speed. I want someone who can threaten a defense. I'm not sure how many 30+ runs CJ has had in the NFL but it's likely on one hand.

Chris Johnson if we can get him cheap will be a real change of pace RB, and could potentially be a starter. Sign him two years we can use a proven vet at RB.

Of course this is only if Manning comes back.

[usafshelland]

Well, even more pieces are lining up...

Owen Daniels and Virgil Green at TE (I still think we need 1 more)
DT Franchised (not a bad idea at $12.8M, I think he was going to get that anyways)

Sucks that we lost Orlando Franklin and Julius Thomas, but there was no way we were paying over $9M for a TE who only played 1/2 a season.

I think we really need to address the OL situation now... losing Franklin is going to hurt. But if I were the GM, I would highly consider Jake Long and/or Connolly. We also need to address the DT situation as well (granted I think we can get someone from the rookie pool, but wouldn't hurt to resign Knighton). Safety situation not looking all that great still, I think best option is to resign Rahim Moore to maybe a 1-2 year deal. (Eric Weddle is a FA in '16).

[Pot Roast]

Well, even more pieces are lining up...

Owen Daniels and Virgil Green at TE (I still think we need 1 more)
DT Franchised (not a bad idea at $12.8M, I think he was going to get that anyways)

Sucks that we lost Orlando Franklin and Julius Thomas, but there was no way we were paying over $9M for a TE who only played 1/2 a season.

I think we really need to address the OL situation now... losing Franklin is going to hurt. But if I were the GM, I would highly consider Jake Long and/or Connolly. We also need to address the DT situation as well (granted I think we can get someone from the rookie pool, but wouldn't hurt to resign Knighton). Safety situation not looking all that great still, I think best option is to resign Rahim Moore to maybe a 1-2 year deal. (Eric Weddle is a FA in '16).

Julius leaving doesn't sting so bad now we got Virgil Green, and a former Badger Daniels who has always been productive.

Orlando Franklin hurts but he was way too inconsistent and expensive. I hope we can bring a vet in, but who knows.

I wish we could bring Pot Roast back, but he's as good as gone.

Bradon Browner is a FA that I would like on our team. Browner is a beast, surprised the Patriots let him hit the open market.

[Pot Roast]

Now were talking! Joe Don Duccan TE/LS/K combo!!! HUUUGE SIGNING!!!:D

[usafshelland]

Now were talking! Joe Don Duccan TE/LS/K combo!!! HUUUGE SIGNING!!!:D

Am I detecting some sarcasm???

Not sure why the Broncos aren't pulling the trigger on anyone...

[usafshelland]

Man, no Terrance Knighton now either? Is anyone awake at the helm of the Broncos?