OPINION: Should THIS Marvel toon be removed from sets? [Archive]

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FlashKV0785

01-18-2015, 12:47 AM

Everyone who's ever picked up a comic book has a favorite Marvel character. Wolverine, Spiderman, Gambit, Rocket, Psylocke - you name it; it's someone's favorite. Having enjoyed comics while young, and now an avid Marvel collector as an adult, I've found one thing to be static:

"we don't like the Red Skull".

http://i57.tinypic.com/vec3lt.jpg

Sure, there is a ton of history behind this guy - first appearance 1941; can we say long lasting?! Holy Crow! Yet still, after nearly 75 years, you still pull a chase card out of a pack and say to yourself "really?!". He's the last you want, and the first you sell. Heck, even my 59 year old, life-long nerd uncle laughed when I pulled his PMG out of a pack this Christmas.

I hereby vote, by matter of opinion, to retire this ancient icon from our newly minted sets; as an effort to make way for the real villains this century.

orfew

01-18-2015, 01:19 AM

I, for one, am glad that we all do not like the same things. I like the red skull, and would be happy to pull a red skull sketch from a pack. In fact I recently bought an 11X17 commissioned sketch of the red skull.

So in answer to your question, I may be in the minority but I would not remove the red skull from future sets.

mcguirem13

01-18-2015, 01:34 AM

I like Red Skull too. I think he is the perfect villain for Captain America.

justice41

01-18-2015, 01:50 AM

Well the fact they put the Red Skull into a new Captain America flick and say his name in all things marvel tv and movies, methinks the real vote would be to leave the skull alone. I like drawing the Skull.
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/256/4/a/upperdeck_captain_america_sc_by_justice4one-d49si32.jpg

FlashKV0785

01-18-2015, 02:13 AM

^^ (insert shameless plug here)

;)

justice41

01-18-2015, 03:23 AM

every time every chance everywhere. lol

finfangfan

01-18-2015, 07:53 AM

Red Skull makes for some good sketch cards. I'd probably keep him.

Instead, I'd probably retire Iceman, who is the subject of many a boring sketch card. Misty Knight is a character who pops up in every set nowadays that could also probably be cut from a character list.

Kingpin and Blob are also horrible pulls. Who wants to pull a card of a fat guy?

dd316

01-18-2015, 08:05 AM

Kingpin and Blob are also horrible pulls. Who wants to pull a card of a fat guy?

There's a big-time Blob collector over on Scoundrel.

I enjoy drawing Red Skull. He's awesome, visually.

Spider-Fan

01-18-2015, 10:51 AM

I'm pretty sure Monkey collects the Red Skull a wee bit. Not as much as Ghost Rider, but a wee bit.

ashelton

01-18-2015, 12:21 PM

*Makes list of characters to draw next time*

monkeymcgee

01-18-2015, 12:47 PM

I'm pretty sure Monkey collects the Red Skull a wee bit. Not as much as Ghost Rider, but a wee bit.

Yep :) Don't have as many as I once did, but I do have a few.

dragoniron7

01-18-2015, 01:14 PM

Instead, I'd probably retire Iceman, who is the subject of many a boring sketch card.

I like Iceman, although I have seen some really bad sketches of him.

FlashKV0785

01-18-2015, 01:36 PM

I like Iceman, although I have seen some really bad sketches of him.

I'm with you there. I do l've iceman (personal favorite). Collecting his patch cards, too! Ever since he was the first x-men action figure my parents bought me. I've picked up a couple bomb sketches.

I'm with you on KingPin. The guy is a nobody, with no powers besides being able to eat a stack of big macs before you can blink your eyes. McD mascot.

Blob is definitely cool. Let's face it - he's a mutant, and runs with the brotherhood. His fat means something. I don't see many of his cards, either. The jusko was amazing, though.

justice41

01-18-2015, 01:55 PM

Don't make me post up Kingpin cards.

ekalbnz

01-18-2015, 02:32 PM

Instead, I'd probably retire Iceman, who is the subject of many a boring sketch card.

Not Iceman!! I love Iceman, but do agree finding nice sketches of him can be very hard.

rittdk01

01-18-2015, 02:32 PM

I wouldn't like red skull either but theres a lot of characters I wouldnt want to have a sketch of. I dont do sketch cards too random boxes too expensive. I get commissions done of specific characters usually from artists that have actually drawn them for the published comics. For cheaper than the price of most boxes I can get actual hand drawn pages from comics.

Spider-Fan

01-18-2015, 03:22 PM

Forgot I have a Red Skull in my PC :)

http://www.sketchcollectors.com/gallery/Spider-Fan/1355066003.jpg

I'm cool with limiting the characters that can be drawn for a specific set, based on the theme of the set. Otherwise, I tend to think any character, popular or unknown, should be fair game for artists.

Nicnac

01-18-2015, 03:31 PM

should have been a poll.

FlashKV0785

01-18-2015, 04:49 PM

should have been a poll.

Opinions are far, far more fun. Fox news made a business of it.

finfangfan

01-18-2015, 05:22 PM

This is a fun idea for a thread. Just quickly browsed my collection to see if I have any characters discussed.

I have one sketch each of 2 characters that I mentioned as being lousy characters to include in a character list, but I collect the artist (Mike Kunkel) so they stay in my collection.

1. Kingpin... who is so fat he doesn't even fit on the card!

http://sketchcollectors.com/gallery/finfangfan/1354933707.jpg

2. The Blob (I kind of like this one... fat guy dancing!)

http://sketchcollectors.com/gallery/finfangfan/1354933808.jpg

And I still disagree about Red Skull being a bad subject. I mean there are hundreds of cool poses that can be done with a guy who has a skull for a head... Here is a cool Ted Dastick...

http://sketchcollectors.com/gallery/finfangfan/1415052913.jpg

skjaldbaka

01-18-2015, 05:38 PM

Toma "Red Skull"! Love it! :D

http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q678/Logansmidwife/Toma/AndreacuteTomaM75RedSkull_zpsdfc0070a.jpg (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/Logansmidwife/media/Toma/AndreacuteTomaM75RedSkull_zpsdfc0070a.jpg.html)

Devlyn

01-18-2015, 06:00 PM

No, and anyone who pulls a Red Skull insert and doesn't like it is encouraged to send it over.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSDP.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/redskullsomasmall.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/redskulljassosmall.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MPRedSkullAT_zps20e8fd3f.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MHVRSAT.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/CARSDP.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/CARSBS.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RMMMIIPROOFRS.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MU11RSLS.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/CAGTURS.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MarvelBronzeAgeSketchRedSkullKatieCook_zps69d2cea3.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MMIIRSPC.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MMIRSAA.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MHVRSBK-1.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSJKPP.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RedSkullx3a_zps97bf23b6.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/CATWSx3_zps4ff84e2b.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSJCP.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/M70RSNN.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MPRSJC_zpscaee8e85.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MMIIRedSkullCaptainAmericaTedDastickJr_zpsae753590.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/MHVRSNC.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/M70RSSS.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSSAH.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSAH.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSJN_zps20e0aa35.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSWM.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSHRG.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSMH2.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSJT3.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSRM.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSDK2.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/JTRS2.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSRMH.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSJKP3.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSAC.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSGC2.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSKG.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSKB.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSCS.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSDF.jpg

JRCrosby

01-18-2015, 07:33 PM

VERY NICE. I like that last b/w one by 'DF'. Reminds me of the tarman from 'Return of the Living Dead'. :)

Devlyn

01-18-2015, 07:46 PM

VERY NICE. I like that last b/w one by 'DF'. Reminds me of the tarman from 'Return of the Living Dead'. :)

Thanks. Not even close to all of them, but more than enough to share.

That DF is Dave Fox. http://www.davefoxart.com/

Panthersfans

01-18-2015, 08:03 PM

I'm not a sketch collector but as a fan I like the skull, he's part of the throwback to the ww2 era that most ppl today know so little about. Same vibe that I loved raiders of the lost ark for.

Igman7

01-19-2015, 08:30 AM

Todd,
When I was looking at your sampling, I didn't see it at first but was like, "why would he not show the Martineck from Complete Avengers?"...then I saw it.

Here is one you don't have.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg227/igman7/Marvel%20Sketch%20Inventory/IMG_0007.jpg (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/igman7/media/Marvel%20Sketch%20Inventory/IMG_0007.jpg.html)

80s Showtime

01-19-2015, 11:29 AM

Todd,
When I was looking at your sampling, I didn't see it at first but was like, "why would he not show the Martineck from Complete Avengers?"...then I saw it.

That is a great card!:)!
How many other characters could pull that concept off?:coffee:
I'd loved to have that card in my collection ;)

dd316

01-19-2015, 02:38 PM

And I still disagree about Red Skull being a bad subject. I mean there are hundreds of cool poses that can be done with a guy who has a skull for a head... Here is a cool Ted Dastick...

http://sketchcollectors.com/gallery/finfangfan/1415052913.jpg

Thanks. My Dad said he looks like a Mars Attacks martian. There may or may not have been some influence... ;)

finfangfan

02-04-2015, 08:18 PM

kerg

02-04-2015, 08:46 PM

Seems like he did more a Klingon posing as Red Skull kinda thing.

monkeymcgee

02-04-2015, 09:20 PM

Cocaine is a helluva drug...

Seriously, if you're going to go full body mod, at least get the look down first.

FlashKV0785

03-22-2015, 10:31 PM

Spider-Fan

03-23-2015, 04:23 PM

Well... Tony didn't do a Red Skull, so he is out of the running. All 10 of Tony's cards are posted here: Marvel Premier 2 Sketch Cards - Tony Perna's Original Comic Art Gallery at ComicArtFans.com (http://www.comicartfans.com/galleryroom.asp?gsub=158311)

Tim Proctor's is listed here: 2014 Upper Deck Marvel Premier Base Sketch Red Skull 47 Tim Proctor | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Upper-Deck-Marvel-Premier-Base-Sketch-Red-Skull-47-Tim-Proctor-/251885807752?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa5906888) If that is the one?

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mUraiGUlSXnygtFTW5r9KbA.jpg

HiltonL

03-23-2015, 05:32 PM

Let's face it. Favorite/un-favorite characters are like @$$holes - everyone has one.

I personally cannot understand Squirrel Girl, and yet she had a renaissance the last three years. Thank goodness that died off quick. (but not quick enough imho).

;)

jjsmallvillelvr

03-23-2015, 09:26 PM

i *THINK* the tony perna red skull was pulled tonight. It's either that, or tim proctors. It was un-godly good, and has reinstated a positive vibe towards red skull.

Member "Alumi" here pulled it last night. Maybe in top 10 base sketches pulled from this product - that I have seen.

You'd know if it was a Perna...he signs his cards... Perna...

Probably Tim's, he signs TP, like the card showed above.
Let's face it. Favorite/un-favorite characters are like @$$holes - everyone has one.

I personally cannot understand Squirrel Girl, and yet she had a renaissance the last three years. Thank goodness that died off quick. (but not quick enough imho).

;)

Lol, there's someone on here who loves squirrel girl too. They have a whole thread about it.

Every character out there is going to have a fan somewhere. Not really fair to say we should just get rid of one because we don't like it, someone else might. Just don't buy their stuff. Seems simple. Lol.

80s Showtime

06-22-2015, 09:45 PM

Every character out there is going to have a fan somewhere. Not really fair to say we should just get rid of one because we don't like it, someone else might. Just don't buy their stuff. Seems simple. Lol.

Apparently someone thought removing the Fantastic Four from sketch cards was a fair idea. The Red Skull lives on to see another sketch card set and Dr. Doom doesn't :mad:
At least Dr. Doom rules over the new "Secret Wars" limited series (through the first 3 issues) :)!

The Fantastic Four Have Disappeared... Or Have They? - Bleeding Cool Comic Book, Movie, TV News (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/11/the-fantastic-four-have-disappeared-or-have-they/)

HiltonL

06-23-2015, 12:25 AM

I think the FF issue is really a licensing dispute between Disney and Fox. Marvel had to do a lot of desperate things when they were near bankruptcy a handful of times.
Now that Marvel is rich, they want to complete their cinematic universe but they can't because Fox won't play ball. The sketchcard restrictions are just a symptom of the licensing dispute.

Marvel did get Spidey back, so there is hope.

--Hilton

jjsmallvillelvr

06-23-2015, 01:24 AM

Yea, liscencing removal is different than just getting rid of a character because someone doesn't like them.

Spider-Fan

06-23-2015, 05:08 PM

80s Showtime

06-23-2015, 08:34 PM

Wow 80s... Not like you to roll up with such old news ;p F4 were pulled from trading cards before 2014 Marvel Premier was produced.

On topic, based on Sketch Card UNO, it seems like there are tons of people happy to have Red Skull sketches in their PC.

Haha, but I got to make a Dr. Doom reference :)!
Yeah, that FF news is a "little dated" for most of us, but I just saw the story from that Bleeding Cool link yesterday :coffee: and it had the date of June 11, 2015 on it. So since it was less than 2 weeks old, I thought it might be "new" news for some collectors:D

finfangfan

06-24-2015, 10:17 AM

I think he is referring to the fact that FF (and others) have been on the "do not draw" list for over a year now. The list was posted in the MP2014 thread by the artist who did the base set. So, it's old news in that regard.

chonk34

06-25-2015, 08:22 PM

Off-topic, but I think you draw a great She-Hulk.

On-topic, I like the Red Skull as a villain. He is an important part of Captain America's past.

Well the fact they put the Red Skull into a new Captain America flick and say his name in all things marvel tv and movies, methinks the real vote would be to leave the skull alone. I like drawing the Skull.

FlashKV0785

06-26-2015, 04:42 PM

NO MOAR!!!

Devlyn

06-26-2015, 04:50 PM

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/thedevlyn/RSEP2-1.jpg

giggity giggity

80s Showtime

01-06-2017, 08:50 PM

Good thing the Red Skull hasn't been "retired" from sketch cards. Saw this cool Red Skull Marvel Masterpieces collection on this thread ...http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/non-sports/674949-new-marvel-masterpieces-joe-jusko-136.html

My last 2016 MM Red Skull sketch came in the mail today. I told myself I was going to stop chasing these at the end of 2016. I feel really good about the collection, and it's a sight to behold in person. Thanks to all of those on here who traded or sold to me. It was super fun. I might do a separate post with better individual images, and an artist list.

Does anybody have a suggestion on how to display these?

https://i.imgsafe.org/c1efa70739.png

Fatbot

01-06-2017, 09:14 PM

That's my MM Red Skull collection!

Oh man, I'd be gutted if they took Skull out of sketch sets. He and Cap have been my favorite villain/hero since I was a kid.

I don't actively wish for any character to get thrown out; like has already been said here, everyone is someone's favorite.

moistpaper

01-06-2017, 09:30 PM

Red skull is awesome.

80s Showtime

01-07-2017, 12:43 AM

Kingpin and Blob are also horrible pulls. Who wants to pull a card of a fat guy?

For me, it kinda depends on the artist and the theme of the card. I'd want this sketch card of the Kingpin by Gabe Hernandez out of 2009 Spider-Man Archives. It's a pretty sweet looking card. It sold for $109.93 on the 'bay today. Spider-Man Archives - Sketch Card SketchaFEX King Pin | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/262784454099)

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac158/80s_Showtime/IMG_0598_zpspaopjfh4.jpeg (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/80s_Showtime/media/IMG_0598_zpspaopjfh4.jpeg.html)

alantown

01-07-2017, 01:51 AM

That's a wicked Kingpin.

I agree it's a subjective thing. Everybody's gonna have that character they feel is lame-o, while others love it. That said, one of my least favorites would be Modok. I pray to not pull Modok. Anyone but Modok. I just don't get him. But after pulling this one from the amazing Nicole "Nik" Virella (from MP), I have to admit that, in the right hands, any character rendition can be a keeper.

Effort counts for a lot.

FlashKV0785

01-11-2017, 05:52 PM

jjsmallvillelvr

01-12-2017, 02:44 PM

While that red skull sketch collection is impressive, is there on one reference image of the guy? Like 80% of those have the same pose and background! Lol.

Fatbot

01-12-2017, 03:33 PM

While that red skull sketch collection is impressive, is there on one reference image of the guy? Like 80% of those have the same pose and background! Lol.

Yes, the four cards on the right are the reference art. Joe Jusko did the original for the 1992 Marvel Masterpieces set. The 2016 Marvel Masterpieces set was also done by Joe Jusko, and all the sketch cards in that set were inspired by a cards done in the 1992 set.

80s Showtime

01-12-2017, 06:26 PM

I need to be honest. As the OP here (seriously this thread is still alive?) we NEED to keep Modok. He is awesome. He looks cool. He isn't just a red head in a suit with no powers.

Also Nik is awesome. Nice MP Pull

Sorry man. I saw that collection of Marvel Masterpieces sketch cards of Red Skull's and it reminded in of this thread. Sometimes it's fun to look back at threads anyway. Oh, and the Red Skull of today has powers ... the telepathic abilities of the deceased Charles Xavier! :doh: Such an evil combination to get rid of Prof X but keep his powers around :devil:

Agreed! Modok does look pretty cool looking. :)!

80s Showtime

01-12-2017, 06:30 PM

Yes, the four cards on the right are the reference art. Joe Jusko did the original for the 1992 Marvel Masterpieces set. The 2016 Marvel Masterpieces set was also done by Joe Jusko, and all the sketch cards in that set were inspired by a cards done in the 1992 set.

Isn't there some wording like "inspired by" on the back of the sketch card so that the artists could name which card they were taking inspiration from?