Tim Duncan: Long-term Market Values

[hazenuts]

I've been doing some research for Tim Duncan and his rookie year stuff. I regret not picking up his 97 Topps Chrome RC refractor couple years ago, when it could be had for much less. They have been on a surge this past few months - tim duncan topps chrome refractor | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Basketball-/214/i.html?_from=R40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40&_sop=16&_nkw=tim+duncan+topps+chrome+refractor&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc)

There are couple of running auctions on ebay right now: BGS 9.5 (from PWCC) and Pristine 10. I am sure they are certainly going to command big money, I am afraid I am sort of tapped out this month it's hard to keep up at that level of competition.

What do you think about the long-term value for Duncan rookies?

1997 Topps Chrome Refractors Tim Duncan Rookie RC 115 BGS 9 5 Gem Mint PWCC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/351307964456?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODczWDUxNg==/z/dm4AAOSwPhdU1SY0/$_1.JPG

1997 98 Topps Chrome Refractor 115 Tim Duncan Rookie RC BGS 10 Pristine | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/171677033141?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTU0M1g5ODE=/z/WLcAAOSwPYZU21i9/$_1.JPG

[asujbl]

I know it's nothing fancy (as I only follow base RC's - not refractors or anything) but it boggles my mind that you can get a Duncan Chrome PSA 10 for under $100

I realize 97 isn't the same as 96 so I won't compare the two.

But, even as a Cleveland homer, it doesn't seem right you can get almost 4 Duncan Chrome PSA 10's for the price of 1 LeBron Chrome PSA 10

And 2003 wasn't exactly a rare year.

[DajuanWagner]

PWCC???? Buyer beware........

[JasonM32]

You would think that they would continue to go up a little at a time but there are a 2 factors that I'm concerned about.

a. It doesn't seem like a lot of people collect Duncan

b. There is no shortage of PSA 10's.

You could get a Topps Chrome rookie PSA 10 pretty cheap a year or 2 ago. Then when the Spurs won the Championship the prices spiked about 1.5x or 2x. Once they excitement and hype of the title wore off the cards settled back down to close to what they were before. Duncan's stuff theoretically should be more valuable, but if there is a big supply and little demand.......

[hazenuts]

You would think that they would continue to go up a little at a time but there are a 2 factors that I'm concerned about.

a. It doesn't seem like a lot of people collect Duncan

b. There is no shortage of PSA 10's.

You could get a Topps Chrome rookie PSA 10 pretty cheap a year or 2 ago. Then when the Spurs won the Championship the prices spiked about 1.5x or 2x. Once they excitement and hype of the title wore off the cards settled back down to close to what they were before. Duncan's stuff theoretically should be more valuable, but if there is a big supply and little demand.......

you mean PSA 10's of his Topps Chrome base rc right?

[ThoseBackPages]

Some guys, the hobby just doesnt care about. Duncan is one of those guys.

it seems like he is a victim of timing. Just like Dirk, he has no BLING-MOJO-AUTO/Patch RCs

[JasonM32]

you mean PSA 10's of his Topps Chrome base rc right?

Correct. I'm very weary of the Refractors because they always seem to be sold through the big Ebay auction houses and their stuff is often shilled to the max.

[xavieronly1]

The card will turn green before I can make more green on it.

[JasonM32]

The card will turn green before I can make more green on it.


I was always confused by why the topic of chrome cards turning green doesn't come up more often. PSA and BGS absolutely ignore that when it comes to grading the cards. A lot of people don't seem to mind but I can't stand it when these cards start turning green. Will not buy.

[hazenuts]

Timmy is pretty much a top-10 alltime player, with a resume like this, his rookie stuff is basically a bargain compared other stars.

5× NBA champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014)
3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002–2003)
15× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011, 2013, 2015)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000)
10× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007, 2013)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008–2009)
All-NBA Third Team (2010)
8× All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007–2008)
6× All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009–2010, 2013)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1998)
NBA Shooting Stars champion (2008)
San Antonio Spurs all-time leading scorer
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2003)
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2003)
National college player of the year (1997)
2× Consensus first-team All-American (1996–1997)
3× NABC Defensive Player of the Year (1995–1997)
2× ACC Player of the Year (1996–1997)
No. 21 retired by Wake Forest

[xavieronly1]

I was always confused by why the topic of chrome cards turning green doesn't come up more often. PSA and BGS absolutely ignore that when it comes to grading the cards. A lot of people don't seem to mind but I can't stand it when these cards start turning green. Will not buy.

I think the Chrome turns green AFTER the grade. Hence you can buy green with 10 surface grade.

But then, a lot of people just buy card based on the "9.5" or "10" rather than eyeball it.

[JasonM32]

I think the Chrome turns green AFTER the grade. Hence you can buy green with 10 surface grade.

But then, a lot of people just buy card based on the "9.5" or "10" rather than eyeball it.

Have you ever seen any of these green cards that come that way out of the pack?

[bkcardcollector]

I think Tim has quite a few collectors just look at how high his autos go. Isn't the greening from exposure to sunlight? As far as I know PSA/BGS does ding cards on the surface grade that have "greened". And I believe that BGS and PSA cases have UV protection. Neither of the two posted look to be greening at all.

OP yes I would say it is a solid purchase. Perhaps the greatest PF ever and 5 rings 6 championships. LEGEND!!!! Besides Kobe who has been bigger in the past 20 years?

[smalltown]

Perhaps the greatest PF ever and 5 rings 6 championships. LEGEND!!!!

I feel like he's the type of player people will appreciate more when he's gone. He's not flashy game to game. But when you look back at his body of work - Wow!

[BestRCs]

Yeah. That's a tough one. I mean you can't denie how resume and his greatness. The supply though....... The refractor rc might have some appreciation value though in time. IMHO

I was contemplating getting the refractor PSA 10 Timmy myself for my PC

[hazenuts]

Yeah. That's a tough one. I mean you can't denie how resume and his greatness. The supply though....... The refractor rc might have some appreciation value though in time. IMHO

I was contemplating getting the refractor PSA 10 Timmy myself for my PC

I am guessing his Topps Chrome Refractor BGS 9.5 or PSA 10 is his best rc

[hazenuts]

I think Tim has quite a few collectors just look at how high his autos go. Isn't the greening from exposure to sunlight? As far as I know PSA/BGS does ding cards on the surface grade that have "greened". And I believe that BGS and PSA cases have UV protection. Neither of the two posted look to be greening at all.

OP yes I would say it is a solid purchase. Perhaps the greatest PF ever and 5 rings 6 championships. LEGEND!!!! Besides Kobe who has been bigger in the past 20 years?

Totally agree! I wonder how people will view Tim Duncan decades after his retirement, will he be revered on the same level as a Bill Russell?

[rauchand]

I have his Topps Chrome RC Refractor BGS 9. I checked my ebay messages and I got it for $299 last May.

[Scottish Punk]

I think Tim has quite a few collectors just look at how high his autos go. Isn't the greening from exposure to sunlight? As far as I know PSA/BGS does ding cards on the surface grade that have "greened". And I believe that BGS and PSA cases have UV protection. Neither of the two posted look to be greening at all.

OP yes I would say it is a solid purchase. Perhaps the greatest PF ever and 5 rings 6 championships. LEGEND!!!! Besides Kobe who has been bigger in the past 20 years?

I would like confirmation on two of these things.
1. Does UV protection prevent the "greening"?
2. My understanding is that BGS cases have "some" UV protection and PSA cases do not. I don't know if One-touches have more or less than BGS. I haven't seen a rating on their cases.

[hazenuts]

I think greening is mostly applicable to 1993 Finest, the very first release that contains refractor. the greening effect isn't really prevalent at all for Topps Chrome.

[JasonM32]

I think greening is mostly applicable to 1993 Finest, the very first release that contains refractor. the greening effect isn't really prevalent at all for Topps Chrome.

I've looked at a lot of 1996 and 1997 Topps Chrome cards and I disagree. A lot of green Kobe rookies out there.

[bkcardcollector]

I would like confirmation on two of these things.
1. Does UV protection prevent the "greening"?
2. My understanding is that BGS cases have "some" UV protection and PSA cases do not. I don't know if One-touches have more or less than BGS. I haven't seen a rating on their cases.

Sorry I cant confirm any of this but you are probably right probably just "some" UV protection. I am curious too. Some expert advice for both questions would be nice.

I do know the greening issue is not exclusive to the finest. I have a kobe incoming that was graded and I suspect it received a low surface grade due to greening.

[lyyca]

PWCC???? Buyer beware........

LOL! For real man! Agree! Although I had to buy a card on one of their auctions and paid more than expected but what can you do?

[JasonM32]

LOL! For real man! Agree! Although I had to buy a card on one of their auctions and paid more than expected but what can you do?


The "values" of a lot of the graded cards in their auctions is getting to the point of being ridiculous. Now you can pay an obscene amount of money for a PSA 10 or get a PSA 9 that is practically indistinguishable from a 10 and pay 95% less.

[hazenuts]

Was just thinking about this - do you guys think Duncan is top 5 player of all-time?

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan

6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird

[BestRCs]

I am guessing his Topps Chrome Refractor BGS 9.5 or PSA 10 is his best rc



Mm. I still stick to the thought that a pararell is not a players true RC. I think most agree that his base Topps chrome is his best RC. But the refractor is a nice compliment to his base. And it's kind of like his "best rookie" though.

I'll probably pick one up eventually in a PSA 10 to go along with the base version I have.

[hazenuts]

Mm. I still stick to the thought that a pararell is not a players true RC. I think most agree that his base Topps chrome is his best RC. But the refractor is a nice compliment to his base. And it's kind of like his "best rookie" though.

I'll probably pick one up eventually in a PSA 10 to go along with the base version I have.

I am with you on that sentiment. Base topps chrome is the "rookie", refractor rookie is just like icing on top. Unfortunately for me, Tim Duncan Topps Chrome rc refractor PSA 10 has been selling stupid expensive price, i gotta start saving up :|

[JasonM32]

I am with you on that sentiment. Base topps chrome is the "rookie", refractor rookie is just like icing on top. Unfortunately for me, Tim Duncan Topps Chrome rc refractor PSA 10 has been selling stupid expensive price, i gotta start saving up :|


It's because refractors are shiny. lol.

[drobfan8]

To the above, sorry but most would say that TD's Topps Chrome Refractor is still a RC, you may not, but it is, all day long.

The prices now are very high, doubled pretty much. But there's so many of these out there, I would let it cool a bit. But SA is a one team town and Tim Duncan is very much the Sheriff still.

A cheaper alternative might be his 98 SPx Gold RC. The Grand Finale is too pricey and rare, but may be gotten for $1k possibly, which would be the better long term "investment" if you're in to all that BS.

I'd also add his Flair RCs too. both numbered and cheaper than the Topps Chrome.

The Topps Chrome Ref is also an UGLY set IMO.

[mc1]

To the above, sorry but most would say that TD's Topps Chrome Refractor is still a RC, you may not, but it is, all day long.


I dont. Neither does COMC. Or Beckett.

To the top 5 or top 10 question, I just cant consider him anything other than top 20 at this time. Its hard to place him in the top 10 over some of the all-time greats but hes close.

[JasonM32]

I dont. Neither does COMC. Or Beckett.



Nor does PSA consider it an RC. It's an issue that can be debated but in my mind it is a parallel. A really cool high end card, but not a true RC.

[rauchand]

How can you call this ugly? Respect your opinion, but I think it's beautiful. This and 96-97 are my two favorites. This is one of my favorite cards I own. Duncan is definitely under appreciated.


http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv195/bundyscardz/4A9CBDF2-A1EC-4E29-B9C2-09964807040B_zpsyh8a7ttl.jpg
To the above, sorry but most would say that TD's Topps Chrome Refractor is still a RC, you may not, but it is, all day long.

The prices now are very high, doubled pretty much. But there's so many of these out there, I would let it cool a bit. But SA is a one team town and Tim Duncan is very much the Sheriff still.

A cheaper alternative might be his 98 SPx Gold RC. The Grand Finale is too pricey and rare, but may be gotten for $1k possibly, which would be the better long term "investment" if you're in to all that BS.

I'd also add his Flair RCs too. both numbered and cheaper than the Topps Chrome.

The Topps Chrome Ref is also an UGLY set IMO.

[hazenuts]

That's so dang beautiful! Man now i really want one!



http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv195/bundyscardz/4A9CBDF2-A1EC-4E29-B9C2-09964807040B_zpsyh8a7ttl.jpg

[Beavers98]

Tiiimmmmmmyyyyyyy..


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[drobfan8]

How can you call this ugly? Respect your opinion, but I think it's beautiful. This and 96-97 are my two favorites. This is one of my favorite cards I own. Duncan is definitely under appreciated.


I much prefer the 96/97 design and pretty much every other design of Topps Chrome, I just think they got it wrong. Which is kind of why I love Topps and UD, because they took risks and mixed things up.

Sure shiny is always great and I'd still love to have this card, but it's one of the weakest TC designs IMO.

But I understand why others like it, I just think it's plain and boring and I busted two boxes of it about 4-5 years ago.

[kairi-2008]

The 9.5 is being shilled, anyone who bids with anything ending like $299.99, $399.99, $499.99 or $599.99 is a shiller and c..0 304 is giving it a solid go. Real bidders go just over the $100 mark, like $500.01.

[kairi-2008]

Was just thinking about this - do you guys think Duncan is top 5 player of all-time?

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan

6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird


it's damn close

[BestRCs]

Was just thinking about this - do you guys think Duncan is top 5 player of all-time?

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan

6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
Mm...I have Duncan in my personal top 10 but not top 5 though. Although it can definitely be debated that he is top 5. I like that list but after number two I'd have it in a little different order. With Magic ahead of Duncan.

[mr.gem.mint]

The 9.5 is being shilled, anyone who bids with anything ending like $299.99, $399.99, $499.99 or $599.99 is a shiller and c..0 304 is giving it a solid go. Real bidders go just over the $100 mark, like $500.01.

Interesting. I make bids ending in .99 about 90% of the time. I'll have to remember not to shill next time.

[hazenuts]

The PWCC BGS 9.5 Duncan Topps Chrome Ref was sold for $860 tonight! really regretted I didn't pick that up couple years ago ...

[JasonM32]

Was just thinking about this - do you guys think Duncan is top 5 player of all-time?

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan

6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird

In my opinion no, and there is no way Hakeem is top 10 over Kobe Bryant. I love Hakeem, but no.

[rats60]

Was just thinking about this - do you guys think Duncan is top 5 player of all-time?

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan

6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird

I can't take serious a top 10 list without Kobe or a top 5 without Magic.

[BestRCs]

The PWCC BGS 9.5 Duncan Topps Chrome Ref was sold for $860 tonight! really regretted I didn't pick that up couple years ago ...



I'd try to refrain from buying from PwCc if at all possible (nothing super rare) myself. People go crazy in their auctions. A BGS 9.5 sold for $710 in January from a different seller (100% 1600+ review seller).

I saw a Gervin PSA 9 rookie go for $860 or so on PwCc and I picked up the same card in an auction (from another seller), ending the next day for $600.

[ragingbull]

I think Tim has quite a few collectors just look at how high his autos go.

Not only his autographs but also his hard to find inserts like the Jambalaya. I would say collectors of TD are a few but are really hard to the core. You could see those in eBay bidding wars on some really hard to find items.


OP yes I would say it is a solid purchase. Perhaps the greatest PF ever and 5 rings 6 championships. LEGEND!!!! Besides Kobe who has been bigger in the past 20 years?

I agree. 100%. Those who think that hobbyists do not care about Duncan. You better think again once he retires. He will be missed and will be written as one of the Top 10 NBA players of all-time by a lot of pundits. After all's said and done, TD will be one of those players whose absence will be felt by all.

[bloodwings19]

I agree. 100%. Those who think that hobbyists do not care about Duncan. You better think again once he retires. He will be missed and will be written as one of the Top 10 NBA players of all-time by a lot of pundits. After all's said and done, TD will be one of those players whose absence will be felt by all.[/QUOTE]



Think Kareem Abdul Jabbar, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon and Karl Malone. Tim Duncan plays a position of no glam and little flash. NBA big man HOFs that does not get love from collecting. Look at Penny Hardaway and Allen Iverson, two players that sells more than the HOFs I mentioned.

[ragingbull]

^ But you can't discount the fact that Duncan has won more rings than DRob, Hakeem and Malone. Even if you combine their rings, it will still not amount to 5.

Duncan is riding on a dynasty and has always been winning since 1997 on a single team. Never a losing record. I know of the argument that big men do not receive the hobby love as compared to SG's, but I'd like to make an exception on TD. Duncan has had his fair share of followers and collectors, not as many as Kobe --- but these collectors have stayed loyal to his stuff and would fight for his rare stuff. I could see it on eBay..

Case in point this..

2002 Topps All Star Remnants Tim Duncan Autograph Auto Jersey 12 25 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Topps-All-Star-Remnants-Tim-Duncan-Autograph-Auto-Jersey-12-25-/261770096100?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf2b6ade4)

Already at $620 with a day remaining. There are collectors who would fight for his cards like there is no tomorrow. If they see a rare card of TD, then BAAAM.. I've been collecting Duncan cards since 1997, and this is the trend that I have seen.

He rarely signs. He has not signed a single card since 2005. And he is a recluse (that is how I see him). When he retires, I don't think you would ever see him back as a part owner of even as an assistant coach for the Spurs or for any team. Or God forbid, an anchor for ESPN or TNT. With that premise, do you still think he would sign autographs for card companies after retirement? I'd think not.

Its not all about flash in the hobby. Wins count. Loyalty counts. Those things add a significant flavor to the mystery that is Tim Duncan.

If after his retirement and what you said is correct, then my bad. Because I still think that when he walks away his cards might just tend to have an upward trend. Not as much as Kobe's or Lebron's but it will not be like the Dream or DRob. Because TD is still the main guy of the Spurs. He is their anchor. The players you mentioned, DRob, Hakeem, Jabbar and Malone have left their teams or are not the anchors of their teams anymore at this stage of their careers. Duncan will go out of the League still a winner and still the anchor of the Spurs' dynasty.

Whatever happens, I can say that atleast my collection is still about a HOFer, arguably the best PF of all-time with 5 rings and a back to back MVP winner. I will still cherish my cards of him with or without the $$$ associated with them. And I'd like to think that some collector would to. The hobby is not always about the money, right?

[SpursMan9]

Like others have said, Duncan will not truly be appreciated until he is no longer playing. The Spurs really haven't garnered any attention until this last championship. I think that had alot to do with the fact they played Miami and Lebron. People were forced to see the Spurs vs the Heat and add to the top of that it was pretty much a dominating victory for San Antonio, people have kinda taken notice. Once you really look at Duncan's numbers and resume, it can be eye opening. I think his prices will continue to climb. His auto's, esp the more rare ones can go for big money. As long as he doesn't start signing again, they'll continue to rise imo.

Go Spurs Go!

[ragingbull]

^ Yes! Go Spurs Go!

[doctorres112]

I just watched a ton of "superbreak basketball" breaks and I'm surprised to see they rarely if ever include a nice Duncan card. I know his autos are expensive but I'd rather pull a nice Duncan than one of the many Kobe's floating around. I think I saw a few Duncan autos get pulled from BOB but can't remember the product year.

-Chris

[JMarchand1981]

^ But you can't discount the fact that Duncan has won more rings than DRob, Hakeem and Malone. Even if you combine their rings, it will still not amount to 5.

Duncan is riding on a dynasty and has always been winning since 1997 on a single team. Never a losing record. I know of the argument that big men do not receive the hobby love as compared to SG's, but I'd like to make an exception on TD. Duncan has had his fair share of followers and collectors, not as many as Kobe --- but these collectors have stayed loyal to his stuff and would fight for his rare stuff. I could see it on eBay..

Case in point this..

2002 Topps All Star Remnants Tim Duncan Autograph Auto Jersey 12 25 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Topps-All-Star-Remnants-Tim-Duncan-Autograph-Auto-Jersey-12-25-/261770096100?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf2b6ade4)

Already at $620 with a day remaining. There are collectors who would fight for his cards like there is no tomorrow. If they see a rare card of TD, then BAAAM.. I've been collecting Duncan cards since 1997, and this is the trend that I have seen.

He rarely signs. He has not signed a single card since 2005. And he is a recluse (that is how I see him). When he retires, I don't think you would ever see him back as a part owner of even as an assistant coach for the Spurs or for any team. Or God forbid, an anchor for ESPN or TNT. With that premise, do you still think he would sign autographs for card companies after retirement? I'd think not.

Its not all about flash in the hobby. Wins count. Loyalty counts. Those things add a significant flavor to the mystery that is Tim Duncan.

If after his retirement and what you said is correct, then my bad. Because I still think that when he walks away his cards might just tend to have an upward trend. Not as much as Kobe's or Lebron's but it will not be like the Dream or DRob. Because TD is still the main guy of the Spurs. He is their anchor. The players you mentioned, DRob, Hakeem, Jabbar and Malone have left their teams or are not the anchors of their teams anymore at this stage of their careers. Duncan will go out of the League still a winner and still the anchor of the Spurs' dynasty.

Whatever happens, I can say that atleast my collection is still about a HOFer, arguably the best PF of all-time with 5 rings and a back to back MVP winner. I will still cherish my cards of him with or without the $$$ associated with them. And I'd like to think that some collector would to. The hobby is not always about the money, right?


Don't base the argument solely on rings.horry has seven rings. He isn't a better player than Jordan.

[ragingbull]

^ Did I just base it on rings? Kindly read everything first before you quote me dear sir. And really Horry? Is Horry, the anchor of the teams he won with? Please read the second to the last paragraph and base your argument there.

The problem with some people is they take the first sentence of a narrative or statement and they base their arguments based on that first sentence. You dont read the first page of a book and base your review solely on that page, right?

[ThoseBackPages]

it doesnt help that his Rookie Year doesnt feature much "MOJO"-Ness as far as the bling-bling goes.

i say that because it sure seems to me, that todays young collector is all about the MEGA-MOJO-MONEY RCs

[JasonM32]

it doesnt help that his Rookie Year doesnt feature much "MOJO"-Ness as far as the bling-bling goes.

i say that because it sure seems to me, that todays young collector is all about the MEGA-MOJO-MONEY RCs

Reality being spoken.

[xavieronly1]

it doesnt help that his Rookie Year doesnt feature much "MOJO"-Ness as far as the bling-bling goes.

i say that because it sure seems to me, that todays young collector is all about the MEGA-MOJO-MONEY RCs

Huh?

PMG, Essential Credentials, Ultra Platinum, Flair Legacys are not MOJO?

[ThoseBackPages]

Huh?

PMG, Essential Credentials, Ultra Platinum, Flair Legacys are not MOJO?

Yes, those are, but are they readily available?

My point is, when people enter this "hobby", they need to be able to see the cards available. Maybe they cannot afford them, but they should be available.

im having a difficult time describing it. OBVIOUSLY Duncan is an all-time great, but when it comes to his CARDS, that may be a differnet story

[xavieronly1]

Yes, those are, but are they readily available?

My point is, when people enter this "hobby", they need to be able to see the cards available. Maybe they cannot afford them, but they should be available.

im having a difficult time describing it. OBVIOUSLY Duncan is an all-time great, but when it comes to his CARDS, that may be a differnet story

I still have no idea what point you try to make. Even Kyrie Irving rare cards are not readily available as of today because most of the 1/1 already got locked up. Does that mean people would not enter this hobby because they can't see the card in ebay?

Duncan rare cards pop in ebay very often. And you can find most of them just checking photobucket. It is just matter if people like to spend $1000+ on a non auto/patch card as today norm is to spend on RAP.

[ragingbull]

Duncan rare cards pop in ebay very often. And you can find most of them just checking photobucket. It is just matter if people like to spend $1000+ on a non auto/patch card as today norm is to spend on RAP.

True.

Its not about the so-called rare ones being readily available in the market but its all about the "Fad." Right now, younger/newer collectors are more into the RPA's and the Patch Autographs. (It is an eye-candy and an easier re-sell) Duncan does not have a single Patch Auto (well, as far as I know). Thus, it diminishes, to a small extent, the demand for them, because there are collectors who are only/solely collecting Patch Autographs.

And the statement of xaverionly1 is spot on. I have seen the rare parallels come up on eBay but when auctioned off they do reach the $800-1000 mark easily. And these are non-autographs. Just imagine if Duncan had a RED PMG Parallel with an Auto.. $5k might be its ending price or even more.

Most of the younger/newer collectors do not care about those non-auto but ultra rare stuff from TD. But there are hardcore TD collectors who do. I, for one, do care for them, but can't afford them. And I believe that there will be collectors who would long for them still in the future. Duncan's achievements is not just about winning. He is the leader of a winning team from start to finish. And that will be noticeable ESPECIALLY after retirement.

I am not saying that 1000 collectors will be banging our doors for TD's. He ain't Jordan, Lebron or Kobe. But he will have his fair share of loyal followers who are not your typical fly by night collectors but really hardcore ones. Tim Duncan is the type of a player who spoils his fans by winning. In that case, his fans are as loyal as he is to the Spurs organization.

[k13]

If he had something like a /299 spa rc au it would be highly collectible.

Same with nowitzki. .

[ragingbull]

It really doesn't matter what his stats or accomplishments are. He isn't fun to watch, his prices and collectibility reflect that.

Yeah sure..

PSA 10 Tim Duncan 1997 Skybox EX2001 Jambalaya Die Cut RC Rookie 8 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-10-TIM-DUNCAN-1997-SKYBOX-EX2001-JAMBALAYA-DIE-CUT-RC-ROOKIE-8-/221639159046?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item339ab92d06)
-- Bought at $950..

1998 99 Skybox Premium Certified Authentic Auto Autographics Tim Duncan 37 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-99-SKYBOX-PREMIUM-CERTIFIED-AUTHENTIC-AUTO-AUTOGRAPHICS-TIM-DUNCAN-37-/121416721942?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c45002616)
-- Bought at $450..

2013 14 Immaculate Logos Tim Duncan Jumbo Spurs Logo Patch 5 9 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-14-Immaculate-LOGOS-Tim-Duncan-Jumbo-Spurs-Logo-Patch-5-9-/381139997339?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58bdb6d29b)
--- Bought at $760..

As a collector of TD, how I wish that your assumption that Duncan's cards do not sell well are true. Because I can't afford to buy these stuff.

Where are the low priced rare Duncans? I hope people here read all the arguments presented because you need to re-review your views about TD's collectibility. Its already funny because those people messaging one liners and one sentences appears to have not read any of the arguments presented in this thread.

[spurs50fan]

Yeah sure..

PSA 10 Tim Duncan 1997 Skybox EX2001 Jambalaya Die Cut RC Rookie 8 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-10-TIM-DUNCAN-1997-SKYBOX-EX2001-JAMBALAYA-DIE-CUT-RC-ROOKIE-8-/221639159046?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item339ab92d06)
-- Bought at $950..

1998 99 Skybox Premium Certified Authentic Auto Autographics Tim Duncan 37 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-99-SKYBOX-PREMIUM-CERTIFIED-AUTHENTIC-AUTO-AUTOGRAPHICS-TIM-DUNCAN-37-/121416721942?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c45002616)
-- Bought at $450..

2013 14 Immaculate Logos Tim Duncan Jumbo Spurs Logo Patch 5 9 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-14-Immaculate-LOGOS-Tim-Duncan-Jumbo-Spurs-Logo-Patch-5-9-/381139997339?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58bdb6d29b)
--- Bought at $760..

As a collector of TD, how I wish that your assumption that Duncan's cards do not sell well are true. Because I can't afford to buy these stuff.

Where are the low priced rare Duncans? I hope people here read all the arguments presented because you need to re-review your views about TD's collectibility. Its already funny because those people messaging one liners and one sentences appears to have not read any of the arguments presented in this thread.


Thanks. I'm short all his autos because I simply can't afford them. Watching that All-Star Auto go up up now. Don't even start with the numbered RCs or refractors

Sounds like someone tried to play cause & effect without all the facts. Dude has put together one of the most impressive careers spanning almost 2 decades.

[Duncancollector]

He isn't fun to watch



Ok???!!!??? A REAL basketball player is not fun to watch? Interesting. Really....Basketball is more than just alley-hoops or 360 Dunks. I am sorry, but Duncan can do everything on the court, or better, he was able to do everything (Except shooting 3's).

It is fun to see somebody who can shoot from mid-range, to see sb. who can play defense, who can make his team much better.

I tired of seeing players like gerald green, a young vince carter or t-mac. Nobody will talk about these guys in ten year except if they want to talk about talented and spectecular players who were not able to make their teams winning during their prime.
Basketball is more than just offense highlights. In that case, watch old and 1 tapes :D.
Derrick Rose, Irving, Wall, Lillard.....(there are/were so many of these great athletics), but what makes them unique? They are not THAT special (so far) like Jordan of course, Duncan, Olajuwon or maybe Lebron. Skills is not everything, but maybe Image is everything :(:rolleyes:

[xavieronly1]

Thanks. I'm short all his autos because I simply can't afford them. Watching that All-Star Auto go up up now. Don't even start with the numbered RCs or refractors

Sounds like someone tried to play cause & effect without all the facts. Dude has put together one of the most impressive careers spanning almost 2 decades.

Go for his Stadium Club auto. That is one of the most affordable autos that you can get.

[spurs50fan]

Go for his Stadium Club auto. That is one of the most affordable autos that you can get.

Thanks! Will look into it. All I have so far is Press Pass. Clean auto but nothing NBA licensed yet

[xavieronly1]

Thanks! Will look into it. All I have so far is Press Pass. Clean auto but nothing NBA licensed yet

Just don't buy fake scoreboard auto :)

[ragingbull]

Go for his Stadium Club auto. That is one of the most affordable autos that you can get.

Just a food for thought, the most unattractive auto of Duncan for me is this..

2000 Topps Stars Tim Duncan Certified Autographed Card | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Topps-Stars-Tim-Duncan-Certified-Autographed-Card-/171670300233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f858e649)
-- but still it finished at $142..

His Stadium Clubs are rare, honestly. I still need both Lone Star Signatures from TSC. And they finish quite high and are not easy to come by.

I have several of his autographs. The Autographics is my favorite one and the Topps Finest Moments Refractor.

My stash..

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/revi0712/ZZ%20Incoming/Picture5071_zps0131fafb.jpg

My new ones not on the above pic..

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/revi0712/TIM%20DUNCAN/TD%20Autographs/Picture6782_zps1524f5d3.jpg

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/revi0712/TIM%20DUNCAN/TD%20Autographs/Picture5832_zps08f69922.jpg

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/revi0712/TIM%20DUNCAN/TD%20Autographs/Picture6633_zps479004b2.jpg

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/revi0712/TIM%20DUNCAN/TD%20Autographs/Picture7298_zpsd110dca9.jpg

and several ScoreBoard Autos that I know are legit.. I've made much research on them and even looked at Beckett if they are listed, just to be sure.. I don't get those SB Autos that aren't listed..

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/revi0712/TIM%20DUNCAN/TD%20Autographs/Picture6453_zps00ea7b20.jpg

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/revi0712/TIM%20DUNCAN/TD%20Autographs/Picture7049_zps7645a840.jpg

[Duncancollector]

Just a food for thought, the most unattractive auto of Duncan for me is this..

2000 Topps Stars Tim Duncan Certified Autographed Card | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Topps-Stars-Tim-Duncan-Certified-Autographed-Card-/171670300233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f858e649)
-- but still it finished at $142..






why don't you like it?

btw: you have a lot of nice autos. great.

[ragingbull]

why don't you like it?

btw: you have a lot of nice autos. great.

Thanks. The design where the auto is placed has lines like a ball and I feel that the lines disrupt the autograph's stroke.

[poudy]

No Values at all... boring as hell... We want dunks, drama and 3pts shots from half court...

Stop collecting for Duncan and let the boring people like me enjoy them for cheap:

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu301/ybastami13/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/ybastami13/media/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg.html)

Go Spurs Go!!!

[hazenuts]

No Values at all... boring as hell... We want dunks, drama and 3pts shots from half court...

Stop collecting for Duncan and let the boring people like me enjoy them for cheap:

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu301/ybastami13/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/ybastami13/media/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg.html)

Go Spurs Go!!!

wow that is so gorgeous, i want one :)

[justdagoodstuff]

Duncan is like Jabbar, great players, but don't sell as well as they should due to not being flashy. Think about it, certain RPAs of guys who really haven't done anything yet sell for noticeably more than high end patch autos of the leading scorer in NBA history who has impressive accolade after impressive accolade.

[ragingbull]

^ In cards, Duncan is > Jabbar. And I am telling you, if Duncan had a patch auto, it will end pretty high. Even higher than a lot of player patch autos that you can think of. The above showcased refractor auto (Topps Finest) finishes between $450-500.. raw! Not numbered, no patch nor GU..

[bkcardcollector]

Timmmmmyyyy. As his fans know all to well gets plenty love always will. Ive got a little Tim Stash but as many have stated his stuff is pricey as heck and rightfully so.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/fbtobin/basketball/inserts/Image111_zpsd66575d3.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/fbtobin/media/basketball/inserts/Image111_zpsd66575d3.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/fbtobin/basketball/autos/c3ff4ec2-7c92-4139-9642-9ccef238387f_zps65635362.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/fbtobin/media/basketball/autos/c3ff4ec2-7c92-4139-9642-9ccef238387f_zps65635362.jpg.html)

[mr.gem.mint]

As someone from San Antonio this thread just makes me laugh. You better bring at least a couple grand if you plan on picking up any of his bigger cards. I know it may be different because i live here but Duncan ginobili and parker all sell for CRAZY prices at our local shows. Kawai prices are also getting to the ridiculous point. But Duncan rules all.

[Litwing]

Luckily duncan dont sign for most of his career years (not sure for his retirement life ) otherwise its auto price will just like parker or robinson.

[Litwing]

No Values at all... boring as hell... We want dunks, drama and 3pts shots from half court...

Stop collecting for Duncan and let the boring people like me enjoy them for cheap:

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu301/ybastami13/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/ybastami13/media/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg.html)

Go Spurs Go!!!

Sick card!! Refractor + on card auto + 2 ultimate trophy!!

[jmsodpc]

i have been trying to research what 1997 basketball hobby box is best to buy .seems the topps chrome box is kinda cheap and the chrome duncan goes for a few bux...
the skybox ex 2001 box goes for almost $400 but that card seems to be a bit pricier....so many choices.

whats the best box to buy!?!?

[ragingbull]

Luckily duncan dont sign for most of his career years (not sure for his retirement life ) otherwise its auto price will just like parker or robinson.

Really? How about his Jambalaya?

How about his Playmaker Theatre?

How about his Immaculate "sicker" patches? A Spur patch finished at $700+ recently. The first Adidas insignia finished at a grand.

He ain't Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in terms of card values, but open your eyes and do a little bit of research. A second year Pmg, or Rubies can fetch $300-400 easily. That Credentials posted above is at the $400 range. There are hardcore collectors of TD who are loyal to the core.

I was watching a 1/1 Spectrum 1999-00 a few months back. It reached a grand, while the same Shaq went for $500.

Its not just his autographs.

[Litwing]

Really? How about his Jambalaya?

How about his Playmaker Theatre?

How about his Immaculate "sicker" patches? A Spur patch finished at $700+ recently. The first Adidas insignia finished at a grand.

He ain't Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in terms of card values, but open your eyes and do a little bit of research. A second year Pmg, or Rubies can fetch $300-400 easily. That Credentials posted above is at the $400 range. There are hardcore collectors of TD who are loyal to the core.

I was watching a 1/1 Spectrum 1999-00 a few months back. It reached a grand, while the same Shaq went for $500.

Its not just his autographs.

Some guys like insert only but I focus more on auto card especially on-card auto as this shown the player was actually involved and become part of the card. (not just directly print out by the machine then pack it go~)

Sure I am very interest for one 1986 Fleer Jordan RC even not an auto one as this is a bible card that every basketball card collector would want one to keep under drawer.

[JasonM32]

No Values at all... boring as hell... We want dunks, drama and 3pts shots from half court...

Stop collecting for Duncan and let the boring people like me enjoy them for cheap:

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu301/ybastami13/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/ybastami13/media/Other%20Cards/Spurs%20PC/Tim%20Duncan%20PC/3B7C5911-9F5B-4545-AC51-930A501E741B_zps5e52v9fn.jpg.html)

Go Spurs Go!!!

I really like this one. Sharp card.

[fullmetal]

Tim's top cards have always commanded an extreme (and justified) premium, but his middle of the road and semi-high end cards have always sold for less than players half his ability.

As a long, long time Spurs' fan I won't complain. I'm in the game for the fun, not the profit. I do wish I could afford some of the top Duncan cards. Maybe some day.

[hazenuts]

Got a question for you all:

would you rather have -

1998 Tim Duncan Topps Chrome Refractor RC PSA 10 or
2014 Andrew Wiggins Prizm Gold Refractor

??

[hazenuts]

Got a question for you all:

would you rather have -

1998 Tim Duncan Topps Chrome Refractor RC PSA 10 or
2014 Andrew Wiggins Prizm Gold Refractor

??

To add, I believe the Prizm Gold Ref for Wiggins would sell for more in open market.

[ThoseBackPages]

Duncan PSA 10 Fleer RC sold for $10 tonight

#NoRespect

[justdagoodstuff]

^ In cards, Duncan is > Jabbar. And I am telling you, if Duncan had a patch auto, it will end pretty high. Even higher than a lot of player patch autos that you can think of. The above showcased refractor auto (Topps Finest) finishes between $450-500.. raw! Not numbered, no patch nor GU..

Thing is he only has a very few select cards that bring that kind of money, versus a guy like Anthony Davis who's stuff currently brings in thousands and he hasn't done anything yet except have a really good year this year.

[ragingbull]

Tim's top cards have always commanded an extreme (and justified) premium, but his middle of the road and semi-high end cards have always sold for less than players half his ability.

As a long, long time Spurs' fan I won't complain. I'm in the game for the fun, not the profit. I do wish I could afford some of the top Duncan cards. Maybe some day.

Agreed. 100%. Its just that its absurd to assume that all or most of TD's cards do not extravagantly. To assume that only his autographs or rookie parallels get the love is also absurd. It really annoys me, because I've been collecting him since 1997, and his prices on a lot of his stuff are mind-boggling at times.

I missed out on a 1997 PMG Red in 2005, because I listened to a person who told me that the Beckett Value of $120 is spot on. It was being sold at $300, locally. Here in the Philippines. And the seller told me to look at eBay. And yes a similar card ended at $315. But someone again told me that it should be shilled and I should wait and even told me that no one in his right mind would buy that Red PMG Duncan at $300. The seller got frustrated with me, and sold it off at eBay for $300+. Now, how much is that PMG Red worth? $1,5k+ on the secondary market.

I was not doing a lot of eBay at that time because the mailing system in my country sucks. So most of my cards are bought locally. But in 2005, I often believed that my collection ain't at par with Jordan, Lebron or at that time, Dwight Howard. My point is this, Tim Duncan has won 2 more rings after 2005, but some of his cards then (before his 4th ring), commanded premium more than its BV already. I know BV is nothing, but it was absurd to list that card at $120 but its selling value is at $300. After that, I vowed to myself not to listen to people who undermine Duncan's cards, and since then made my own research on how much his cards are really worth.

I, sometimes overpay on his cards. I collect all Duncan cards. And I know his cards' prices. There are some lucky streaks where I get really good cards that do not end high on the Bay. (Yes I do eBay now, because I have all my cards sent to a friend in the US, and he'd send it here - in the Philippines - via bulk mail via the courier route). But some of his even mid-ends do end high. Case in point, the Ka-Boom insert.. Last ended at $128.50. Highest ended was at $150. How much is BV? $120. While Irving ends only at $100 less.

But I guess, I am barking at the wrong trees. Some people do not read what I say. And I assume I'd be seeing another post here about Duncan's cards being sold cheap. Point me towards them, and I'd buy them off that seller in a jiffy.

[hazenuts]

Thing is he only has a very few select cards that bring that kind of money, versus a guy like Anthony Davis who's stuff currently brings in thousands and he hasn't done anything yet except have a good year this year.

At least with Davis, you know his career will more or less turn out great given health but i don't get guys like Wiggins who can completely scrubify next season and his stuff are selling way above Duncan's level.

[justdagoodstuff]

At least with Davis, you know his career will more or less turn out great given health but i don't get guys like Wiggins who can completely scrubify next season and his stuff are selling way above Duncan's level.

True, providing he stays healthy and the organization puts some talent around him so he can possibly win a championship or two, because with his tremendous skillset he'll rack up some impressive accolades himself in the years to come.

To the Wiggins point, yeah that's what I mean, guys like that.

[fullmetal]

Got a question for you all:

would you rather have -

1998 Tim Duncan Topps Chrome Refractor RC PSA 10 or
2014 Andrew Wiggins Prizm Gold Refractor

??

Wiggins, who?

[ragingbull]

Thing is he only has a very few select cards that bring that kind of money, versus a guy like Anthony Davis who's stuff currently brings in thousands and he hasn't done anything yet except have a really good year this year.

Because Anthony Davis' buyers aren't ALL real collectors but a lot of them are speculators. Buy into the hype and sell when they feel that the hype is at its peak. Duncan's collectors are mostly hardcore ones. No one speculates on TD, because his cards are underrated but not all are undervalued as much as you'd assume.

Plus the fact that the younger collectors are only after the RPA's or the Patch Autos. Does Duncan have a Patch Auto? Duncan does not even have an auto in any hi-end product since 1997. From Ultimate Collection to Exquisite to Immaculate to Flawless. None. Zilch. The point is this, Curry, the AD's of the world, will always have cards that are worth that much over TD because they are better looking and are highly collected by this generation of collectors.

[LincecumPC]

Since there seem to be a lot of knowledgeable Duncan collectors here, are there any concerns or problems with fake Duncan autographics? If there are, what should you be looking for? Always wanted to pick up one of these.

[ragingbull]

Wiggins? Oh please. Wiggins stuff will sell now because of speculation. I already answered that. Do not misconstrue the speculative market to the real collectors. As I have mentioned, TD has hardcore collectors who could care less about value.

Now to answer the OP's question. Expect Duncan's cards to go higher after retirement. To overtake Wiggins. I dunno. Wiggins is still on the speculative market, Duncan is passed that. Which only means that Wiggins' cards can still go down, Duncan's cards wont go down but it can go up. And it will.

[ragingbull]

Since there seem to be a lot of knowledgeable Duncan collectors here, are there any concerns or problems with fake Duncan autographics? If there are, what should you be looking for? Always wanted to pick up one of these.

Good question. I have heard of rumors in 1998-99 that there are Duncan fake autographics roaming around. But they were all rumors. I haven't heard of anyone pointing me to a doubtful TD autographics since the card's creation.

So, I don't see any reason for you to doubt the authenticity of any Duncan autographics. Unless the auto is waaaay off. :)

[ragingbull]

Duncan PSA 10 Fleer RC sold for $10 tonight

#NoRespect

Are Duncan hardcore collectors supposed to salivate with the least desirable RC of his? I won't even buy his Fleer PSA 10 RC at $5. Coz I don't collect graded cards. Unless that Duncan is easily faked or easily chipped. Even at PSA 10, you'd ask? I say yes, I won't buy it.

[LincecumPC]

Good question. I have heard of rumors in 1998-99 that there are Duncan fake autographics roaming around. But they were all rumors. I haven't heard of anyone pointing me to a doubtful TD autographics since the card's creation.

So, I don't see any reason for you to doubt the authenticity of any Duncan autographics. Unless the auto is waaaay off. :)

Awesome, thanks. I heard these rumors as well but really had no concrete info on whether that was substantiated or not.

[ThoseBackPages]

Are Duncan hardcore collectors supposed to salivate with the least desirable RC of his? I won't even buy his Fleer PSA 10 RC at $5. Coz I don't collect graded cards. Unless that Duncan is easily faked or easily chipped. Even at PSA 10, you'd ask? I say yes, I won't buy it.

"Duncan hardcore collectors" are already sold on TD

what about future collectors that are not TD collectors yet?

you seem to take everything that is remotely "negative" personally, and you really shouldnt. We are, well, MOST of us here are collectors of some sort.

and i mentioned that PSA 10 sale because that was saddening to me that it sold for that price for such a NBA Legend

[ragingbull]

^ No, I am not taking them personally. Because most of you here think that his cards sell as low as you'd like to imagine. Which gives the player and his cards negativity to speculators and the new breed of collectors --- which should include "future collectors." I am raising a point that examples given here have no merit because the cards/players some are mentioning and are comparing to (like the AD's for example) are not at par to what Duncan has out in the market today.

To be saddened about a PSA 10 Fleer RC of Duncan ending at $10 is just like saying that his cards are worthless. Because this thread is asking as to if its better to invest on a Chrome RC of TD vs. a Wiggins. Why point that out? To a newbie, he would not even know that the Fleer RC is the ugliest Duncan RC out there. Arguably.

[fullmetal]

^ No, I am not taking them personally. Because most of you here think that his cards sell as low as you'd like to imagine. Which gives the player and his cards negativity to speculators and the new breed of collectors --- which should include "future collectors." I am raising a point that examples given here have no merit because the cards/players some are mentioning and are comparing to (like the AD's for example) are not at par to each other.

To be saddened about a PSA 10 Fleer RC of Duncan ending at $10 is just like saying that his cards are worthless. Because this thread is asking as to if its better to invest on a Chrome RC of TD vs. a Wiggins. To a newbie, he would not even know that the Fleer RC is the ugliest Duncan RC out there. Arguably.

These are the same people who think Carmelo, Durant and Griffin are better than Duncan. Pay them no attention.

[ragingbull]

These are the same people who think Carmelo, Durant and Griffin are better than Duncan. Pay them no attention.

Thanks Bud.

[JasonM32]

All this Duncan talk of late motivated me to pic up this baby.

I already have a raw copy that is nice enough to get a Gem Mint grade but I like to have 2 of all my important cards. 1 raw and 1 PSA 10. I'm weird like that.

Keeping the thread on topic...I hope the value increases, lol.

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r492/seriouspimp99/1997%20Topps%20Chrome%20PSA%2010_zps8xdckni1.jpg

[ThoseBackPages]

NIIIIIIICE!!!!!

i am currently looking for a BGS True Gem of that card

[Duncancollector]

wooooooooooooooooooooooooow


TIM DUNCAN TOPPS PRISTINE 2001-02 AUTO AUTOGRAPH RARE !!! | eBay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/TIM-DUNCAN-TOPPS-PRISTINE-2001-02-AUTO-AUTOGRAPH-RARE-/231572698548?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35eacef5b4)


his prices becoming more than hot...

[Litwing]

Although Spurs loss this year, but Duncan again shown his ageless and the clutch..he performed more than well when the team needs him.

Who can do that at the age of 38 in NBA? I doubt that even MJ cannot keep at this level.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooow


TIM DUNCAN TOPPS PRISTINE 2001-02 AUTO AUTOGRAPH RARE !!! | eBay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/TIM-DUNCAN-TOPPS-PRISTINE-2001-02-AUTO-AUTOGRAPH-RARE-/231572698548?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35eacef5b4)


his prices becoming more than hot...

[vto47]

I have some TD Autos and when I started out with 4 of them, I did it just for kicks and tried to garner same # of autos as his 90s counterppart: KG.

I think ragingbull (Revi) here just can't stress enough his passion for TD along with other collectors of TD over here. Point is, much like how Penny collectors are (or were).. they will all be die hard collectors for his cards.

Yes, he's boring to watch (and yeah, I watched him vs the Bulls back in 08) and yes, he isn't exactly mr.Bad Boy or a guy with flashy antics but the fact is: there ARE DUNCAN COLLECTORS amongst us.

As long as they live and as long as new collectors are educated with the 90s stars that most of us understand (like the 90's version of KG, TD, Vince Carter etc...) then I believe the long term market value will not go down. Can't say it will continue to rise but surely it will even for a bit since Duncan's so hard to get an Autograph of.

Sooooo...yeah, its not like MJ's cards dropped after blundering with Kwame Brown pick. I don't think whatever TD does will affect or make his cards go down.

[bullard123]

Boring to watch?? Duncan is definitely not boring to watch. He has some of the best post moves you can have for a big man and He even hit a 3 pointer this regular season. Not to mention his off the glass shot that's smooth as butter.

I think his auto's will continue to go up because just like Charles Barkley he doesn't sign

[Supersuper]

There is my Duncan card :)!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/278/19397137111_4d333461e1_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vy4p5t):D:D

[miscus555]

whats 1997 topps chrome refractor market like for duncan right now. I might be looking soon

PSA 10
PSa 9
PSA 8

thanks

[Silentcommit]

whats 1997 topps chrome refractor market like for duncan right now. I might be looking soon

PSA 10
PSa 9
PSA 8

thanks


Check ebay. Over 7k for psa 10 rookie chrome refractors. I think the 97 finest gold refractors/289 are still undervalued.

[miscus555]

yeah, all i saw recently was 10s and 9.5 becketts.

hard to find recent lower grades