What logic were the Bucks using?

[AdamMcDermott88]

Their last 10 games with Brandon Knight they went 9-1.

They are now 0-2 since the trade. If they lose tonight to the 12-44 76ers, is it safe to say that they made a blunder?

I just don't understand. Their franchise was actually in a good playoff position for the first time in a decade, and it seems like they may have shot themselves in the foot.

[chitownbears22]

Their last 10 games with Brandon Knight they went 9-1.

They are now 0-2 since the trade. If they lose tonight to the 12-44 76ers, is it safe to say that they made a blunder?

I just don't understand. Their franchise was actually in a good playoff position for the first time in a decade, and it seems like they may have shot themselves in the foot.

He wasn't part of their long-term plan. They would have had to pay him in the 90-mil range to keep him. They will get MCW at a discount which allows them to go after bigger needs in FA, pay Giannis in the future, and pay Jabari in the future.

They are also 1-2 since the trade, and MCW has not played yet (which was known before the trade that he would be out). MCW will help improve the defense (a lot better defender than Knight) and replace the scoring of Knight. MCW is also a better passer than Knight and has yet to play with real NBA level talent.

It was a gamble, yes, but it was made to help meet long-term goals.

[chitownbears22]

Also, they lost to the Hawks and the Bulls, so it is not like they lost to poor teams. Do you think you can determine if something is a blunder after only 3 games? Seems like a very small sample size, especially with the trade being made to improve the team long-term. The goal is not a championship this year, it is a playoff birth and getting some experience for the young guys.

[hoopster3977]

Brandon Knight is a tweener, and has a lose handle. With the 50 game sample from the start of the season, management decided not to give Knight an 8 figure contract, especially with Middleton being a RFA also. It not good to put the majority of your teams cap space invested in your backcourt. So one had to go, and the Bucks sold high on Brandon.

It's all about the future, I haven't been a big MCW fan, but I'll be able to decide in the next 30 games and playoffs. The Bucks have lots of cap space going forward, they might be able to sign a free agent.

Don't flame me on this, Milwaukee has different management, and players like to get paid. They will be players in free agency.

[nickha2]

The bucks are clearly saving for a huge free agent this summer. Knight was not part of the long term because he was not a pass first pg like kidd wanted.

The bucks were not going to sign him to the money he wanted so they got something with the trade instead of getting nothing when he walked at the end of the season.

They are 1-2 since the trade. Beat Denver on Friday. They are not playing for now anyways but the future. I can see them being a top 2 team in the east in as little as 2 years.

[asujbl]

The bucks are clearly saving for a huge free agent this summer. Knight was not part of the long term because he was not a pass first pg like kidd wanted.

The bucks were not going to sign him to the money he wanted so they got something with the trade instead of getting nothing when he walked at the end of the season.

They are 1-2 since the trade. Beat Denver on Friday. They are not playing for now anyways but the future. I can see them being a top 2 team in the east in as little as 2 years.

And what FA would that be exactly? I'd love to hear who they think they are going to get

[nickha2]

And what FA would that be exactly? I'd love to hear who they think they are going to get

I don't know who it is it but they clearly are saving money for someone.

[chitownbears22]

And what FA would that be exactly? I'd love to hear who they think they are going to get

Paul Millsap, Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Roy Hibbert, Deandre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Omer Asik, Lamarcus Aldridge

Those guys are available (as of last month, don't think any have gotten a new deal).

Who knows if they can get them, they have the money to offer and they are a promising young team.

[clipperboy24]

Brandon Knight wasn't playing that much better than last year. The reason the bucks are winning is their defense not offense and Brandon Knight is a decent defender but MCW is better and a pass first guard. I think he is going to fit in well and he is under his rookie deal, which is nice. I don't know what FA they will sign but you get Jabari back from injury and with the Greek Freak, you add another star, that team could be solid. Bucks were fun to watch in the late 90s early 2000s, would be cool to see them do it again

[asujbl]

I don't know who it is it but they clearly are saving money for someone.

Or they are just being cheap.

How many FA's are available, that might actually consider Milwaukee, that are better then Knight? Half these guys wouldn't even fit a need

Milsap...
Hibbert...
Monroe...
Green...
Jefferson...
Ellis...
Jackson...

I'm not even sure most of those guys are better then Knight anyway.

I'm not saying they should have paid Knight. If they didn't like this style of play that's fine. No reason to just piss money away.

But acting like they are "saving" for some massive free agent is simply not going to happen.

[asujbl]

Paul Millsap, Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Roy Hibbert, Deandre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Omer Asik, Lamarcus Aldridge

Those guys are available (as of last month, don't think any have gotten a new deal).

Who knows if they can get them, they have the money to offer and they are a promising young team.

Cross Gasol and Aldridge off that list immediately. Neither of them would even consider Milwaukee. Which isn't a knock on the Bucks. It's simply reality.

They'll get their max dollars either with current teams or a bigger market.

I'd be saying the same about my Cavs if LeBron wasn't from Ohio.

[chitownbears22]

Or they are just being cheap.

How many FA's are available, that might actually consider Milwaukee, that are better then Knight? Half these guys wouldn't even fit a need

Milsap...
Hibbert...
Monroe...
Green...
Jefferson...
Ellis...
Jackson...

I'm not even sure most of those guys are better then Knight anyway.

I'm not saying they should have paid Knight. If they didn't like this style of play that's fine. No reason to just piss money away.

But acting like they are "saving" for some massive free agent is simply not going to happen.

Well you aren't comparing one of those guys vs. Knight alone. It is MCW + whoever they can pickup/re-sign vs Knight. MCW was wanted for his D and his skillset on offense (pass first PG). Do you think Knight is worth 80 mil? I think MCW + Monroe is though or Millsap or Jordan.

[nickha2]

The new owners are not being cheap. If anyone can turn this team around its this group of owners. For the first time since 2001 I actually believe the bucks know what they are doing.

[chitownbears22]

Cross Gasol and Aldridge off that list immediately. Neither of them would even consider Milwaukee. Which isn't a knock on the Bucks. It's simply reality.

They'll get their max dollars either with current teams or a bigger market.

I'd be saying the same about my Cavs if LeBron wasn't from Ohio.

So reality is opinion now? What big market team has a team built to contend and has cap money? The Bucks may not be a major market, but they have the money and they have some great talent.

[asujbl]

Well you aren't comparing one of those guys vs. Knight alone. It is MCW + whoever they can pickup/re-sign vs Knight. MCW was wanted for his D and his skillset on offense (pass first PG). Do you think Knight is worth 80 mil? I think MCW + Monroe is though or Millsap or Jordan.

It's not that simple. At some point MCW is going to want paid. It might seem like a few years away but it has to factor in.

Is Knight worth 80? Probably not in a vaccum.

But if I'm a team like Milwaukee, where guys aren't just flocking, I'm not trading him away in the hopes that some FA is going to come to town and knowing that the MCW contract isn't going to be a "steal" for long.

I'd say the same things about a lot of teams. It's why I wasn't surprised someone like Gordon Hayward got overpaid.

It's why Waiters, Thompson, etc... would have been overpaid in Cleveland had LeBron not come back.

[chitownbears22]

The Bucks have $15-mil for FA next year, everyone on this team is signed through next year outside of Middleton who is a RFA. They can offer Deandre Jordan max (perfect player for this team) and then take care of Middleton because they have rights. The following year they have $58-mil with Giannis, Jabari, MCW, and Henson signed with no big FA coming off the board. The following year they have 70-mil in cap with Giannis and Jabari taken care of.

[asujbl]

So reality is opinion now? What big market team has a team built to contend and has cap money? The Bucks may not be a major market, but they have the money and they have some great talent.

If you actually think that LA or MG would leave their current teams (I'm not saying they are finding new homes) to go to Milwaukee then there is no reason to continue discussing as we are on different planets.

Odds are neither is even going to seriously flirt with being a true free agent. They'll end up staying where they are.

The middle of the road guys are the ones Milwaukee will overpay. It'll be a Hayward, Parsons, etc...

Just like last year.

[chitownbears22]

It's not that simple. At some point MCW is going to want paid. It might seem like a few years away but it has to factor in.

Is Knight worth 80? Probably not in a vaccum.

But if I'm a team like Milwaukee, where guys aren't just flocking, I'm not trading him away in the hopes that some FA is going to come to town and knowing that the MCW contract isn't going to be a "steal" for long.

I'd say the same things about a lot of teams. It's why I wasn't surprised someone like Gordon Hayward got overpaid.

It's why Waiters, Thompson, etc... would have been overpaid in Cleveland had LeBron not come back.

They have MCW this year and then the next two years locked into a rookie contract. When he becomes a FA they have $70-mil in cap room (that is not adjusting for the change in cap room that will happen because of the new TV deal).

FA's generally don't go to teams if they have no chance in winning. But if a team can contend, players will flock. Milwaukee's ownership is not being cheap at all, they are re-building their brand and so far it has gone great.

[asujbl]

They have MCW this year and then the next two years locked into a rookie contract. When he becomes a FA they have $70-mil in cap room (that is not adjusting for the change in cap room that will happen because of the new TV deal).

FA's generally don't go to teams if they have no chance in winning. But if a team can contend, players will flock. Milwaukee's ownership is not being cheap at all, they are re-building their brand and so far it has gone great.

Did you just replace Milwaukee with Cleveland and re-post what all Cavs fans said before LeBron came home? Sounds like us.

[chitownbears22]

If you actually think that LA or MG would leave their current teams (I'm not saying they are finding new homes) to go to Milwaukee then there is no reason to continue discussing as we are on different planets.

Odds are neither is even going to seriously flirt with being a true free agent. They'll end up staying where they are.

The middle of the road guys are the ones Milwaukee will overpay. It'll be a Hayward, Parsons, etc...

Just like last year.

I am saying that Marc Gasol and LM are UFA next year. So they would be stupid not to listen to offers that are out on the open market. Portland has to figure out what to do with Aldridge and Matthews next year. And then the following year they have to get deals done with Lillard and Batum. I am not saying he will leave, but Portland better offer max otherwise he could leave, and offering max is what they most likely will do.

Gasol will most likely stay in Memphis, but that team already has 50-mil tied up in salaries, so will they offer him max?

Milwaukee is looking for a big man, and that guys name is DeAndre Jordan. Clippers are dealing with a 15/16 cap of 68 mil. They might not be able to offer him max.

[chitownbears22]

Did you just replace Milwaukee with Cleveland and re-post what all Cavs fans said before LeBron came home? Sounds like us.

No, I just posted numbers and observations. LAL had a ton of cap-room, they are a big market, and look how many big name FA's went there.

[nickha2]

I guess I don't understand why you are arguing. The thread was asked what the bucks were doing. You have 3 bucks fans saying the exact same thing yet you argue and cut down what we are saying.

[chitownbears22]

I guess I don't understand why you are arguing. The thread was asked what the bucks were doing. You have 3 bucks fans saying the exact same thing yet you argue and cut down what we are saying.

Are you talking to me or asulbj?

[nickha2]

Are you talking to me or asulbj?

Asulbj ...............

[chitownbears22]

Asulbj ...............

I was confused for a moment. Long day already. I don't understand why he can't rationalize the notion that MCW + cap space was more valuable than overpaying a PG that really didn't fit the mold of what JK wanted. Knight was a holdover, had a good half season and helped out the Bucks, but he wasn't in their future plans.

[tristan20]

Just dumb, dumbest trade overall. They were playing so well, and its not like Brandon Knight is old.

Oh well, lets see what MCW brings to the table before we jump to conclusions

[chitownbears22]

Just dumb, dumbest trade overall. They were playing so well, and its not like Brandon Knight is old.

Oh well, lets see what MCW brings to the table before we jump to conclusions

If you were a GM do you think that Knight is worth 80-mil?

Or

Do you think MCW + cap space for a big asset, is a more pragmatic approach for the long-term growth of a team?

[nickha2]

Just dumb, dumbest trade overall. They were playing so well, and its not like Brandon Knight is old.

Oh well, lets see what MCW brings to the table before we jump to conclusions

It looks dumb now because the bucks are struggling without him. Its only been 3 games though. They were not going to go far in the playoffs anyways this year, this was a future move.

Again the bucks were not going to pay him what he wanted so they may as well got something in return for him. If MCW doesn't work out we still have Khris middleton out of the trade from Jennings.

[asujbl]

I was confused for a moment. Long day already. I don't understand why he can't rationalize the notion that MCW + cap space was more valuable than overpaying a PG that really didn't fit the mold of what JK wanted. Knight was a holdover, had a good half season and helped out the Bucks, but he wasn't in their future plans.

Because MCW is the most overrated player on the planet. It's quite easy to rationalize.

[chitownbears22]

Because MCW is the most overrated player on the planet. It's quite easy to rationalize.

What do you use to quantify that statement? The fact that he has played on a team with bad coaching and horrible players? The fact that he was forced to be a scorer when that was never his forte? The fact that even though he was playing a role that was outside of his comfort zone he still did good things? He is a solid rebounder, great passer, great defender, and a guy who can hit an open shot if asked to do so. He is a salary cap friendly BK.

Bring some context to your post next time instead of hyperbole.

[asujbl]

What do you use to quantify that statement? The fact that he has played on a team with bad coaching and horrible players? The fact that he was forced to be a scorer when that was never his forte? The fact that even though he was playing a role that was outside of his comfort zone he still did good things? He is a solid rebounder, great passer, great defender, and a guy who can hit an open shot if asked to do so. He is a salary cap friendly BK.

Bring some context to your post next time instead of hyperbole.

Got it. Thanks

[chitownbears22]

Got it. Thanks

If you make opinionated statements don't you think that you should back them up. If you just ramble on without providing context aren't you providing nothing?

[oshmeehan]

Bucks suck. They traded Dirk for Tractor

[groundsupport]

Bucks suck. They traded Dirk for Tractor

https://brundleflyonthewall.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tracktor.jpg

[Miasma]

They were not playing well enough to actually matter though. Any talk of being good this year is short-sighted. They're not challenging Cleveland or Atlanta in a weak East. That's the problem they had under Herb Kohl, forcing them into years of mediocrity. The Bucks have a 3-4 year plan to grow young talent and make cap savvy moves. I'm so glad they actually made a move for the future for once. They dodged a bullet in overpaying a ball dominant SG in a PGs body, and have a more Kidd-esque pg to get the ball to Giannis, and hopefully Jabari in the future. They freed up cap room, and got good potential guys on rookie scale salaries. If it doesn't work out with MCW in two years, they can part ways. Bucks fans who've suffered for years should be thrilled with this direction. Recall the Fear the Deer year, when we tried to build off our success by signing Salmons long term, signing Gooden, and trading for Maggette? I trust in these new owners and their strategy based on analytics. You know what analytics tell you about Brandon Knight? He was a net negative. I thought it was obvious by watching him how he played hero ball, missed open passes, made horrible shaqtin a fool decisions on the break, and generally played selfishly.

http://nyloncalculus.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-29-at-10.12.12-PM.png

"Oddly, the Bucks — perhaps the NBA’s most surprising success story this season — played better as a team when Knight was on the bench this season, according Basketball Reference’s on-off data. With Knight off the court, Milwaukee scored at a rate of 107.7 points per 100 possessions, up from 103.2 with him on the court. The team’s defense also improved with Knight off the court, as it allowed 103.5 points per 100 possessions with Knight on the court and 99.3 with him off of it".

http://www.bucksketball.com/2015/02/...ree-team-deal/

[asujbl]

If you make opinionated statements don't you think that you should back them up. If you just ramble on without providing context aren't you providing nothing?

I'm not going to derail the thread anymore. Not worth arguing at this point.

[chitownbears22]

I'm not going to derail the thread anymore. Not worth arguing at this point.

Translated: I spewed non-sense that I can't back up, and people brought logic as their weapon of choice. Sooooooooooooo I am going to run and hid, yet try to save face by faking being the bigger person.

As the great Andy Sandberg has said "suck a butt".

[asujbl]

Translated: I spewed non-sense that I can't back up, and people brought logic as their weapon of choice. Sooooooooooooo I am going to run and hid, yet try to save face by faking being the bigger person.

As the great Andy Sandberg has said "suck a butt".

Got it again. Thanks

[chitownbears22]

Got it again. Thanks

Keep deflecting, or bring facts. Your choice.

I would love for my thought process to be challenged, but you seem unwilling, or most likely, unable to do that.

[oshmeehan]

Not saying MCW is or will ever be as good as Kidd. But was Jason Kidd overrated early in his career? Look at Kidd and MCW's stats their first 2 seasons. Especially pay attention to the FG%, 3PT%, assists, rebounds, and turnovers. VERY similar in all those categories.

[smalltown]

It's pretty simple. They didn't want to tie their anchor to Brandon Knight. He's a good player but they're not going to build around him. Why hamper yourself with a large contract while you're still evaluating what you have? They got solid Controllable assets that they can evaluate for the rest of the season and go from there. This season - wether fans want to think it or not - was never about winning.

[chitownbears22]

Not saying MCW is or will ever be as good as Kidd. But was Jason Kidd overrated early in his career? Look at Kidd and MCW's stats their first 2 seasons. Especially pay attention to the FG%, 3PT%, assists, rebounds, and turnovers. VERY similar in all those categories.

Keep in mind MCW is long as sheeeeet too, and fits the Bucks defensive scheme. I hope they add DeAndre Jordan, they could defensively be like the Pistons of the early/mid 2000's,

[chitownbears22]

It's pretty simple. They didn't want to tie their anchor to Brandon Knight. He's a good player but they're not going to build around him. Why hamper yourself with a large contract while you're still evaluating what you have? They got solid Controllable assets that they can evaluate for the rest of the season and go from there. This season - wether fans want to think it or not - was never about winning.

No fan thought this season was about winning. I am just excited we are a playoff team while in the evaluation process.

[jt16]

Because MCW is the most overrated player on the planet. It's quite easy to rationalize.

You just hate MCW for some reason. Kid was the 11th pick in the draft. Played well enough to win rookie of the year, played on #@#@#@#@ team, and was thrown into a role that is impossible to fill with age and experience.

I don't think he will be the next great PG but he definitely isnt overrated.

[crazymj]

Bucks are still rebuilding, yea making playoffs might be nice this year but they ain't winning any championships. With Jabari park out for the season too they're thinking next season since there not much to play for this season

[clipperboy24]

Because MCW is the most overrated player on the planet. It's quite easy to rationalize.

Way to be rational. Lol

[milwaukeeb]

Can we please stop pretending that you need to be able to attract NBA "stars" in order to win a championship. It's worked for the Miami Heat (because they got the best player of his generation) and that's it. (Boston if you're stretching)

How many rings do the Knicks have with Carmelo?
Or the Clippers with C. Paul?
How about the Nets with D. Williams and Joe Johnson?

Is Chicago going to win it this year because the have Pau Gasol?
Does Deng make the Heat contenders?

Who cares about high-priced free agents? You need to BUILD a team through draft.

[nickha2]

Mcw with 7 points 8 assists in 17 mins

[bdrr]

Or they are just being cheap.

How many FA's are available, that might actually consider Milwaukee, that are better then Knight? Half these guys wouldn't even fit a need

Milsap...
Hibbert...
Monroe...
Green...
Jefferson...
Ellis...
Jackson...

I'm not even sure most of those guys are better then Knight anyway.

I'm not saying they should have paid Knight. If they didn't like this style of play that's fine. No reason to just piss money away.

But acting like they are "saving" for some massive free agent is simply not going to happen.

You just really hate MCW.

[chitownbears22]

Solid night from MCW in his first start with the Bucks. Passed the ball well and seemed to be on the same page as the rest of the team. He should get a minutes bump on Friday. Even though MCW had a low usage rate, he still shot 60% and had 8 assists in 18 minutes, with only 1 TO.

3.5 games back of first in the division!

[AdamMcDermott88]

Solid night from MCW in his first start with the Bucks. Passed the ball well and seemed to be on the same page as the rest of the team. He should get a minutes bump on Friday. Even though MCW had a low usage rate, he still shot 60% and had 8 assists in 18 minutes, with only 1 TO.

3.5 games back of first in the division!

Played the worst team in the league that have a running feed on Twitter @didthe76erswin

[nickha2]

Played the worst team in the league that have a running feed on Twitter @didthe76erswin

I forgot stats don't count if its against bad teams.

[chitownbears22]

Played the worst team in the league that have a running feed on Twitter @didthe76erswin

I know screw MCW for scheduling a weak opponent. What an asshat!

[AdamMcDermott88]

I know screw MCW for scheduling a weak opponent. What an asshat!

Looked down to earth against a mediocre team tonight....

I'll wait until they are 6 games back to say I told you so though.

[chitownbears22]

Looked down to earth against a mediocre team tonight....

I'll wait until they are 6 games back to say I told you so though.

Do you think 6 games is a big enough data set to base an opinion? Better yet, do you think 3 games for the key piece of the trade is enough data? Better yet, do you think 3 games for the key piece who is still recovering from an injury is enough data?

If it is you must think Westrbook is the best player to ever play the game because of his last 3 games.

[milwaukeeb]

Looked down to earth against a mediocre team tonight....

I'll wait until they are 6 games back to say I told you so though.

I'm not quite sure why you keep re-trolling your thread after each Bucks loss. This trade wasn't made so they could compete for an NBA championship this year, next year, or the following year. Get over it!

[Miasma]

This trade wasn't made so they could compete for an NBA championship this year, next year, or the following year. Get over it!

This.

And this loss had nothing to do with the trade, bad rotations imo.

[DalliLlama11]

Can we please stop pretending that you need to be able to attract NBA "stars" in order to win a championship. It's worked for the Miami Heat (because they got the best player of his generation) and that's it. (Boston if you're stretching)

How many rings do the Knicks have with Carmelo?
Or the Clippers with C. Paul?
How about the Nets with D. Williams and Joe Johnson?

Is Chicago going to win it this year because the have Pau Gasol?
Does Deng make the Heat contenders?

Who cares about high-priced free agents? You need to BUILD a team through draft.

Just curious what teams have BUilT a team for a championship with the exception of the Spurs? The Heat got Bosh and Lebron and brought in everyone. Even before that with just Wade they brought in Shaq. The Lakers before brought in Shaq and several players. The Pistons brought in several key pieces. Hell even Jordan brought in people. "Drafting" a team hasnt exactly worked out. The spurs are the exception and the closest team after that has been the Thunder when they got 1-4'd by the Heat. You do need to attract star players because if you can't once you draft a star, they are more than likely leaving. Heck, even look at all the favorites this year. How many are "home grown" just about every "contender" is based on acquired players with the exception of Spurs and now Warriors.

And to the guy saying getting cap and MCW is better than Knight, I agree. But if you are using that cap to give Jordan the max, like you are suggesting, then I think that kills the entire trade. Why would you want to give DeAndre max? He is a more athletic Larry. Defense and rebounding, with little to no offensive game. No way a one way player deserves a max contract. The one thing the Bucks do have going for them though...the Eastern Conference.

[AdamMcDermott88]

Looked down to earth against a mediocre team tonight....

I'll wait until they are 6 games back to say I told you so though.

Now 6 games back

8-1 before Knight
1-7 after Knight

I don't care if you are planning for the future, you don't tank your team midseason.
I'll post again when they are 10 games back.

[chitownbears22]

Now 6 games back

8-1 before Knight
1-7 after Knight

I don't care if you are planning for the future, you don't tank your team midseason.
I'll post again when they are 10 games back.

You are a cancer. Were they winning the championship this year? Were they going to have to overpay Knight this offseason?

Also, they are 2-6 since the trade. Seeing that you can't read a basic schedule, you opinion carries no weight.

[AdamMcDermott88]

You are a cancer. Were they winning the championship this year? Were they going to have to overpay Knight this offseason?

Also, they are 2-6 since the trade. Seeing that you can't read a basic schedule, you opinion carries no weight.

Yeah I messed that one up. Good catch, I'll post again when they are 10 back. Thanks for the bump.

[chitownbears22]

3-6 sitting at #6 in the East. 5th seed would be optimal.

[MavsRChamps]

Unless I missed it, not one person in this thread mentioned that the Bucks also got Tyler Ennis (and Plumlee) - He was the 18th pick in this past draft and in terms of value/potential, is not that far behind MCW if at all.

I think Tyler Ennis will eventually be a solid starting PG and a BETTER player than MCW. The Bucks don't make this trade if Ennis isn't involved.

[smalltown]

The Bucks don't make this trade if Ennis isn't involved.

I agree 100%. He was the key to this deal. People really under rate what i think he'll become.

[AdamMcDermott88]

3-6 sitting at #6 in the East. 5th seed would be optimal.

Funny so many people support tanking if you think your team is inferior. Go take a look at the 76ers 2000-2001 roster and compare it to the Lakers. Easily the worst roster in the league with one star. They had a good coach and a string of good luck and ended up in the finals... The whole NBA is soft now from top to bottom.

Now at 10 games back. Will post again when at 13.

[chitownbears22]

Funny so many people support tanking if you think your team is inferior. Go take a look at the 76ers 2000-2001 roster and compare it to the Lakers. Easily the worst roster in the league with one star. They had a good coach and a string of good luck and ended up in the finals... The whole NBA is soft now from top to bottom.

Now at 10 games back. Will post again when at 13.

I love you!

You are trolling a team that doubled their wins from last year. Fans are happy about the future outlook. They are still a playoff team at this point. The offense is starting to get use to the PG change, and Middleton has really stepped up his game. They are going to be pretty good here in the next couple seasons.

And even a pathetic little troll like you can't change that.

[rynobot]

I think most teams have tanked at least once. Even great franchises like the Spurs, Celtics, Bulls and Lakers. Those four teams have all tanked a season in the past 18 years.

[AdamMcDermott88]

I think most teams have tanked at least once. Even great franchises like the Spurs, Celtics, Bulls and Lakers. Those four teams have all tanked a season in the past 18 years.

Not like this team has. They were on pace to compete for top seed in their division against a tough Cavs. Now they are down to 10 games back from 2. They will eventually be overtaken by the bulls, and yet chitown still has his pipe dream that they will make playoffs.

As I said, I will post again when they are 13 back and behind Chicago. Then I will post next year when they are awful and the next until Chitown finally admits his arguments and name calling was wrong.

[rynobot]

I dont think they could have finished ahead of the Cavs even with out trading Knight away. The Bulls have been very injured this season and still look decent on some nights, definitely still a playoff team in the East.

[freethrowtommy]

I love you!

You are trolling a team that doubled their wins from last year. Fans are happy about the future outlook. They are still a playoff team at this point. The offense is starting to get use to the PG change, and Middleton has really stepped up his game. They are going to be pretty good here in the next couple seasons.

And even a pathetic little troll like you can't change that.

Nailed it...

[chitownbears22]

Hey AdamMcDermott88

Guess who is in the playoffs? It is the Bucks. They went from a bottom team in the NBA to a 6th seed in one season, and with minimal roster turnover.

Suck a butt.

[chitownbears22]

Well you aren't comparing one of those guys vs. Knight alone. It is MCW + whoever they can pickup/re-sign vs Knight. MCW was wanted for his D and his skillset on offense (pass first PG). Do you think Knight is worth 80 mil? I think MCW + Monroe is though or Millsap or Jordan.

Monroe at 3/50 + MCW on a rookie contract is >>>>>>>B. Knight 5/80

Add in the fact that Middleton got the same 5/80 contract to stay with the Bucks this has been perfect. So it seems like the Bucks front office knew what they were doing, fans that use basic logic (such as the genius quoted above) knew what was going on, and adammcdermott has proven once again that he struggles to think more than 1 step ahead (keep playing checkers buddy)

[AdamMcDermott88]

Hey AdamMcDermott88

Guess who is in the playoffs? It is the Bucks. They went from a bottom team in the NBA to a 6th seed in one season, and with minimal roster turnover.

Suck a butt.

A year later and MCW has ridden nothing but pine and the Bucks are sub .500

[AdamMcDermott88]

Monroe at 3/50 + MCW on a rookie contract is >>>>>>>B. Knight 5/80

Add in the fact that Middleton got the same 5/80 contract to stay with the Bucks this has been perfect. So it seems like the Bucks front office knew what they were doing, fans that use basic logic (such as the genius quoted above) knew what was going on, and adammcdermott has proven once again that he struggles to think more than 1 step ahead (keep playing checkers buddy)

You were so many steps ahead that you missed the part where their preparation made them good.

[pingbling23]

Just curious what teams have BUilT a team for a championship with the exception of the Spurs? The Heat got Bosh and Lebron and brought in everyone. Even before that with just Wade they brought in Shaq. The Lakers before brought in Shaq and several players. The Pistons brought in several key pieces. Hell even Jordan brought in people. "Drafting" a team hasnt exactly worked out. The spurs are the exception and the closest team after that has been the Thunder when they got 1-4'd by the Heat. You do need to attract star players because if you can't once you draft a star, they are more than likely leaving. Heck, even look at all the favorites this year. How many are "home grown" just about every "contender" is based on acquired players with the exception of Spurs and now Warriors.

And to the guy saying getting cap and MCW is better than Knight, I agree. But if you are using that cap to give Jordan the max, like you are suggesting, then I think that kills the entire trade. Why would you want to give DeAndre max? He is a more athletic Larry. Defense and rebounding, with little to no offensive game. No way a one way player deserves a max contract. The one thing the Bucks do have going for them though...the Eastern Conference.

you can add gsw to that list.