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Yes. As the title says. Planning on maybe starting up a PC of OBJ.
Would love some input though.
I know the prices of his cards are CRAZY. With that said, would the time to start a PC of him be totally off? Are his cards overpriced?
Obviously, supercollecting him would be IMPOSSIBLE (since I'm not a millioner). So, what would be some nice products to focus on? I like rainbows so thinking about maybe going for Topps Chrome and/or Bowman Chrome and try to get as many of the parallels (both auto and non-auto) as possible.
Also, thinking about trying to pick up his Contenders cards.
Well, guess that is. Would have loved some input in general so hence this thread.
nfunk
03-12-2015, 06:21 AM
This is the highest that his cards will ever be.
Honestly, this is the last guy I would start a PC on b/c of his price
freethrowtommy
03-12-2015, 06:40 AM
This is the highest that his cards will ever be.
Honestly, this is the last guy I would start a PC on b/c of his price
Seconded.
The time to start was when he was out starting the season.
Seconded.
The time to start was when he was out starting the season.
Yes, looking back, that would of course have been the best time to start a PC of him.
Being a big Giants fan, the main goal of the PC would not be to buy now and resell for a profit in the future though. The plan would be to hold on to the cards. However, it's always nice if the cards at least hold their value. Question is what will happen with the value of his cards in the future (of course very circumstantial)..
briscogun
03-12-2015, 08:12 AM
As said above, you couldn't pick a worse time to start buying his stuff. If you are seriously a fan and don't want to throw stupid money away, just pick up some base cards that are always cheap and available, and wait until the other folks that bought high get desperate and start to sell low.
bsbll1997
03-12-2015, 08:29 AM
I have few of his cards in my Bucket if you wanna check them out.
fungi2510
03-12-2015, 08:42 AM
If you can wait, it would be the best financial decision. Get a few here, and a few there, but do not go overboard. His stuff will be down next year almost no matter what he does. Hype just wears off.
superynaldo
03-12-2015, 08:46 AM
This is the highest that his cards will ever be.
Honestly, this is the last guy I would start a PC on b/c of his price
THIS...:)!:)!:)!
mikecamp99
03-12-2015, 08:47 AM
Wait at least until 2015 stuff starts popping out with the new crop, it will at least deflect some people from buying his stuff, probably not by much though.
mikecamp99
03-12-2015, 09:04 AM
Duplicate post
Thanks for all the input.
I'm not known to have the best patience when it comes to my card collecting. I usually overpay for my PC stuff so I guess I'm all sellers dream :)
As I said, I'm a big fan of the Giants and so much enjoyed seeing OBJ play last season. But, I know you are all probaly right. To buy now would not be very wise. The hype is too big.
Would you see any potential at all in his cards value wise? Or, buying now would be plain stupid even if he has a super season in 2015?
Sauceman
03-12-2015, 09:16 AM
If he puts up Calvin Johnson numbers his prices will go DOWN. I just had a Platinum orange flame end at auction for $15. Ridiculous.
GeechQuest
03-12-2015, 11:14 AM
Obviously his prices will never be higher. If you are wanting to PC rarer things of his ( out of 5 or 1/1s) and wait until prices drop you may run the risk of never seeing the card again or worse, the card getting "held hostage". There are plenty examples of people throwing up cards that are ridiculously priced of players who are no longer hobby relevant and the seller refuses to come down to earth.
So if it's just base autos and such I say wait.
If you want to grab rare things I'd go all in now.
But that's just me. I'd rather pay the current premium on a card I want than gamble and hope whoever bought the 1/1 relists and takes an appropriate price. Not worth the headache when I could have had it already for maybe $100 more, or even less than what the current owner wants for it.
panther252
03-12-2015, 12:22 PM
Like others have said, you'd probably be best to wait. If you simply must collect now, the first thing I'd invest in would be a bottle of lube. Lol.
Once again, thanks a lot for all the input. Really appreciate it.
Maybe it's not the opinions I wanted/hoped for but I kind of knew they were coming :D
I mean, of course I don't HAVE to collect right now. I can always wait. At the same time, as a Giants fan and a fan of OBJ I'm not hoping he'll have a crappy next season just so his card prices will go down.
But, as some of you have pointed out, maybe prices will come down anyways, even if he's having a great 2015. Maybe prices are what they are right now because of the crazy hype.
As for what I'm looking to pick up I'm not sure really. On card autos and some nice GU stuff plus some low numbered parallels probably. Many of his 1/1's are maybe out of my price range right now. I was thinking about picking up some graded stuff but that will bring up the cost even more. Like graded RC year stuff though and living overseas it's kind of a hassle for me to pick up ungraded cards and then send them in for grading.
As I said, not looking at this as an investment but for example his playoff ticket auto /99 right now sell for 300-350 (graded 9.5). Rather not pay 325 now and then in a couple of years it's at 100. Everything will depend on how he's doing of course..
BennyA
03-12-2015, 01:26 PM
As I said, not looking at this as an investment but for example his playoff ticket auto /99 right now sell for 300-350 (graded 9.5). Rather not pay 325 now and then in a couple of years it's at 100. Everything will depend on how he's doing of course..
This is exactly what you're looking at unless he gets about 200 catches, 4,000 yards receiving and 30 TDs per year moving forward. Look at Calvin, A.J. Green, Andre Johnson, etc...prices for long term value comparison. The hype is just crazy right now and cannot/will not last unless he does something legendary, which is a minute possibility.
This is exactly what you're looking at unless he gets about 200 catches, 4,000 yards receiving and 30 TDs per year moving forward. Look at Calvin, A.J. Green, Andre Johnson, etc...prices for long term value comparison. The hype is just crazy right now and cannot/will not last unless he does something legendary, which is a minute possibility.
Those numbers can be pretty hard to reach :) But, I see your point of course.
Only thing I can think of comparing to the players above is that (at least that's how it is when it comes to baseball which is what I've collected before) cards of star players from NY/LA teams usually sell for a premium.
majestik101
03-13-2015, 01:16 AM
Yes. As the title says. Planning on maybe starting up a PC of OBJ.
Would love some input though.
I know the prices of his cards are CRAZY. With that said, would the time to start a PC of him be totally off? Are his cards overpriced?
Obviously, supercollecting him would be IMPOSSIBLE (since I'm not a millioner). So, what would be some nice products to focus on? I like rainbows so thinking about maybe going for Topps Chrome and/or Bowman Chrome and try to get as many of the parallels (both auto and non-auto) as possible.
Also, thinking about trying to pick up his Contenders cards.
Well, guess that is. Would have loved some input in general so hence this thread.
Hope you have lots of $$$. His cards, as of right now, are certainly over-priced. And I don't see his cards going down in value any time soon. But just like Jeremy Lin, the hype will settle but it will be a while. ===Edit: One suggestion, I would make, if you are looking to invest, or buy a few cards for PC, is search for, and buy low end Autos of his (always make sure it's in nice condition) and send them off to be graded by BGS. There will even be a market for his College cards. I have about 5 OBJ college autos, and all 5 cost me about the same as 1 of his nice Pro Uni cards. Hopefully, if the cards come back a 9.5/10 it will be a nice investment, and you can re-sell for $$$ when the time is right. Even low end Rookie autos of Andrew Luck are going for very good money right now.
Personally (Maybe because I love Mike Evans so much), I think OBJ is a good player, but one catch does not a career make. And don't get me started on his OROY award. Such a sham. Half the receivers in rookie class 2014 could make that catch. Sammy Watkins come to mind.
Good luck with the PC though. I wish you success...
MeetJSquared
03-13-2015, 01:24 AM
I'd suggest to maybe pick up a Chrome and/or Contenders that's in your price range as those will retain the most value even if/when his prices inevitably drop.
As others have said, 2015 cards will take some of the spotlight from him. Lacy seemed to have dropped a bit even after the 2013 ROY and he had a great season last year. Simply because he is not a QB, I don't think he has much upside in terms of hobby value. Mike Evans, on the other hand, has prices that are much more reasonable and he seems to have some room to grow, but as you mentioned, the team they play for does have an effect. NY obviously gets more press and therefore more attention from the casual collector, so he will always have a spotlight.
Gordo
03-13-2015, 01:29 AM
Hope you have lots of $$$. His cards, as of right now, are certainly over-priced. And I don't see his cards going down in value any time soon. But just like Jeremy Lin, the hype will settle but it will be a while. ===Edit: One suggestion, I would make, if you are looking to invest, or buy a few cards for PC, is search for, and buy low end Autos of his (always make sure it's in nice condition) and send them off to be graded by BGS. There will even be a market for his College cards. I have about 5 OBJ college autos, and all 5 cost me about the same as 1 of his nice Pro Uni cards. Hopefully, if the cards come back a 9.5/10 it will be a nice investment, and you can re-sell for $$$ when the time is right. Even low end Rookie autos of Andrew Luck are going for very good money right now.
Personally (Maybe because I love Mike Evans so much), I think OBJ is a good player, but one catch does not a career make. And don't get me started on his OROY award. Such a sham. Half the receivers in rookie class 2014 could make that catch. Sammy Watkins come to mind.
Good luck with the PC though. I wish you success...
Really? Then how come in all of the 20+ years i've been an NFL fan have I never seen a catch like that? OBJ is an exceptional talent. But, his cards will never appreciate in value from where they are now unless he walks on water or cures cancer. Ceiling is tops now, collect if you got the passion and the $ but don't expect profit in the long haul.
majestik101
03-13-2015, 01:48 AM
Really? Then how come in all of the 20+ years i've been an NFL fan have I never seen a catch like that? OBJ is an exceptional talent. But, his cards will never appreciate in value from where they are now unless he walks on water or cures cancer. Ceiling is tops now, collect if you got the passion and the $ but don't expect profit in the long haul.
Well, OBJ's catch was the best I have seen in a long while. I am not saying he is a bad player, not at all. And yes, that catch was phenomenal. But so were the catches by Lynn Swann, Randy Moss, David Tyree, Marty Booker, Franco Harris, Brandon Lloyd, Antonio Freeman, Calvin Johnson, Joe Jurivicius, Jermaine Kearse, I could go on and on...
dabears_n_2012
03-13-2015, 02:51 AM
See Alshon Jeffery for perfect proof of what happens to a solid WR after the hype dies down...
Alshon & OBJ are EXTREMELY similar - both solid WRs that got a ton of hype for their insane catches with a mid-level QB (at best) throwing to them....
Alshon's prices at the end of the 2013 season going into the 2014 season were nuts!! I mean Topps Chrome Red Refractors /25 bringing $200-$300, Chrome Red Autos /5 bringing $750-$1k....for a 2nd Year #2 WR??!!!
Now...his cards are being had for the lowest they've been since he signed with Chicago - even though he quietly put together a 80+ REC, 1,100+ Yd, 10 TD year...
My advice - wait out the storm!! Unless he does some crazy ish - he will be overshadowed by the next big thing...and prices will fall...
Chiefs2011
03-13-2015, 06:04 AM
He's a WR. His price will go down a ton
Really appreciate all the feedback. Super!
So, being new to football card collecting. Why is it that the only players/position that seems to hold value over time are QB's? Obviously it's the most important offensive position but still, why is the difference in card value between QB's and the other positions that big? Guess it has to do with demand (More people "idolize" QB's -> more people collecting -> prices go up). But, why the crazy hype for WR's as RC's and then people just stop collecting/buying their cards (because the price drop must be due to lack of demand)? Maybe a stupid question and if so, I apologize.
MeetJSquared
03-13-2015, 01:43 PM
Really appreciate all the feedback. Super!
So, being new to football card collecting. Why is it that the only players/position that seems to hold value over time are QB's? Obviously it's the most important offensive position but still, why is the difference in card value between QB's and the other positions that big? Guess it has to do with demand (More people "idolize" QB's -> more people collecting -> prices go up). But, why the crazy hype for WR's as RC's and then people just stop collecting/buying their cards (because the price drop must be due to lack of demand)? Maybe a stupid question and if so, I apologize.
Most important position as you stated, plus there are way more flippers/investors, and the trends show huge swings with QBs. They are the ones that have the most control of the game and the NFL has been undervaluing RBs. They are a lot more replaceable, and WRs are all over the place. Simply by the numbers, you only have 1 starting QB (over half of which are probably below average) while some teams have 1 or 2 good RBs, and a lot of teams with 2 good WRs.
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