Paging Mr. Williams.......

[Jasondr91]

I guess it's quite safe to saye this is two different signatures. Unless there was a mix up, and there is another Buck Williams signing stickers for Panini, somebody else has been inking these..... :)!


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2N1gxNTkw/z/lBUAAMXQHPhSI4SQ/$T2eC16N,!ycFIdgsrBSMBSI4SPs-1!~~60_57.JPG

Not making this a Panini bash issue, but this clearly looks like a problem. I know....it's Buck Williams...deep down who will care? Just another ring up on the "things wrong in this hobby" ladder....

[fullmetal]

Brian Williams signed some while being shot down by enemy fire.

Nice find J!

[OMG]

Do every single one of your signatures look exactly the same ?

[fullmetal]

Do every single one of your signatures look exactly the same ?

I form my letters the same way every single time. My signature hasn't changed since I first penned it around the age of eight.

The letters in those two signatures are not even formed the same way. The 'B' on the left is one stroke. The 'B' on the right is two stokes. The style of signature might change, but the way one forms a letter likely won't. Especially considered this is the same card and most likely from the same sheets of stickers. The tilt is also different, which usually remains the same over time.

[nateadams2]

I form my letters the same way every single time. My signature hasn't changed since I first penned it around the age of eight.

The letters in those two signatures are not even formed the same way. The 'B' on the left is one stroke. The 'B' on the right is two stokes. The style of signature might change, but the way one forms a letter likely won't. Especially considered this is the same card and most likely from the same sheets of stickers. The tilt is also different, which usually remains the same over time.

Plus 1.....

[BostonNut]

I sign my name hundreds of times a day and none of them look even close to each other. I don't see the big deal here.

[PokerPro503]

I form my letters the same way every single time. My signature hasn't changed since I first penned it around the age of eight.

The letters in those two signatures are not even formed the same way. The 'B' on the left is one stroke. The 'B' on the right is two stokes. The style of signature might change, but the way one forms a letter likely won't. Especially considered this is the same card and most likely from the same sheets of stickers. The tilt is also different, which usually remains the same over time.

Pretty much what this guy said :)! Just from looking at the differences between the Bs and Ws between the two cards you can tell they weren't signed by the same person

[motu79]

I form my letters the same way every single time. My signature hasn't changed since I first penned it around the age of eight.

The letters in those two signatures are not even formed the same way. The 'B' on the left is one stroke. The 'B' on the right is two stokes. The style of signature might change, but the way one forms a letter likely won't. Especially considered this is the same card and most likely from the same sheets of stickers. The tilt is also different, which usually remains the same over time.


Yep, those are two totally different hand writings.

[fullmetal]

Someone who uses twitter/twits should publicly bring that image (with J's consent) to Panini's attention and see how they respond.

[Crazybella8]

I sign my name hundreds of times a day and none of them look even close to each other. I don't see the big deal here.

The big deal is yet are different! Meaning either one of them is fake or he changed his signature greatly which is not common! So another case where the big companies are lying to us and selling garbage! When will it stop?

[xavieronly1]

I form my letters the same way every single time. My signature hasn't changed since I first penned it around the age of eight.

The letters in those two signatures are not even formed the same way. The 'B' on the left is one stroke. The 'B' on the right is two stokes. The style of signature might change, but the way one forms a letter likely won't. Especially considered this is the same card and most likely from the same sheets of stickers. The tilt is also different, which usually remains the same over time.

The "B" on the left is still 2 stokes.

Just happen this guy has the most inconsistent signature. He signs his "B" with the "u" into one stoke (top auto), but he can also sign his "B" as a stand alone letter (bottom auto)

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODI1WDExMjU=/z/xPsAAOSwQItTzsn1/$_57.JPG

[NewVintageNY]

You people have too much time on your hands.

[fullmetal]

The "B" on the left is still 2 stokes.



The pen never leaves the paper on the left. It does retrace the vertical line. The pen does leave the paper on the second. Those are major differences that would not be consistent with the same person.

You people have too much time on your hands.

COAs are like telling the truth. It only takes one failure to destroy all of the rest and the credibility will never be completely rebuilt.

[xavieronly1]

The pen never leaves the paper on the left. It does retrace the vertical line. The pen does leave the paper on the second. Those are major differences that would not be consistent with the same person.



COAs are like telling the truth. It only takes one failure to destroy all of the rest and the credibility will never be completely rebuilt.

I actually think the left "B" does not have the retrace. It goes top to bottom, and starts a 2nd stoke at the top with that "dot".

[Jasondr91]

Thanks to all who've responded. To me, it clearly looks like two completely different signatures. For those who have the "who cares" attitude....so be it.

[Deadshot]

I still think its the same person signing. Those of you that say that your signature never changes have probably never signed hundreds of items or stickers consecutively.

If you have the time, sit there and sign your name 200 times (you're probably going to be intentional about keeping it the same).

Now imagine you will be paid by the sticker, regardless of how much the signature styles vary.

[BostonNut]

Also...one of them could have been an old sticker from a previous signing.

My goodness...they look similar enough...people are just looking for a witch hunt at this point.

I still think its the same person signing. Those of you that say that your signature never changes have probably never signed hundreds of items or stickers consecutively.

If you have the time, sit there and sign your name 200 times (you're probably going to be intentional about keeping it the same).

Now imagine you will be paid by the sticker, regardless of how much the signature styles vary.

[fullmetal]

I still think its the same person signing. Those of you that say that your signature never changes have probably never signed hundreds of items or stickers consecutively.

If you have the time, sit there and sign your name 200 times (you're probably going to be intentional about keeping it the same).

Now imagine you will be paid by the sticker, regardless of how much the signature styles vary.

I've had jobs where I literally signed my signature 400-500 times in a day. I never signed with my left hand. The differences in these two are that dramatic, not simply fatigue.

I know I am not the norm. My signature at age 36 looks just like it did when I was 10. Of course it is much cleaner today. You can read every single letter in my name. Those two signatures are not inked by the same person. I wonder how many people that Lebron James and Michael Jordan have to 'help' with their signings.

[IronMonkey415]

Would love to see your sig.

[thepinoymamba]

Even MCW signs Different autos

[Jasondr91]

Also...one of them could have been an old sticker from a previous signing.

My goodness...they look similar enough...people are just looking for a witch hunt at this point.

Nobody is looking for a witch hunt. I simply posted what appears to be two totally different signatures for the same guy. Different stickers used from a different signing? Sure I can buy that, if that's the case. Yes it's Buck Williams. Would there be a bigger response had it been a better player?

There sure are some angry, bitter sounding people on this site for a hobby about collecting cardboard.

[Crazybella8]

You people have too much time on your hands.

You must too?

[organika]

I PC Buck Williams....and i have also attempted signing 300 cards in one sitting....almost all of my sig transforms and changes.

As for Buck...i see the same pattern as above in my cards too but i think its one and the same...signing card after card afte card plus when you are older...it does change.

[fezziwig]

The second card looks like a "print" (handwriting) signature, likely the result of him feeling impatient or otherwise in a hurry (50 stickers per sheet, times unknown number of sheets, at minimal compensation). The "print" signature may allow him to accept half-assing the job, without compromising his personal esteem of his true signature (very nice looking).

[andyzk3]

You people have too much time on your hands.

I think we all do if there are this many contributions to a thread about Buck Williams lol

[tadams1996]

All my signatures don't look exactly the same. I'm sure they would look different especially after as many signatures as these guys sign sometimes.

[CubKings]

Dolph Schayes also has 2 different styles of signatures.... I don't now why.

[jj2]

I form my letters the same way every single time. My signature hasn't changed since I first penned it around the age of eight.

Ok, so it should be pretty easy to know if your signature has been forged. Of course, that's not going to apply equally to everyone else.

[DajuanWagner]

I would love to see the responses if Jordan had signed like this. His auto is critiqued down to slope and angles and line breaks........yet when someone like Buck Williams is brought up, the OP is smashed???? WTH? Isn't this a basketball forum??? If fake auto's can be sent out for Buck, what makes me think that the bread company won't put out other fakes for other players (like my PC guy Jared Dudley?). Personally, great catch OP for showing us the fake auto......

[jj2]

I would love to see the responses if Jordan had signed like this. His auto is critiqued down to slope and angles and line breaks........yet when someone like Buck Williams is brought up, the OP is smashed???? WTH? Isn't this a basketball forum??? If fake auto's can be sent out for Buck, what makes me think that the bread company won't put out other fakes for other players (like my PC guy Jared Dudley?). Personally, great catch OP for showing us the fake auto......

Look at the example Xavier posted, same card, same player, two different autographs. I can't see anything that conclusively shows these autos are fake. I find it hard to believe Panini is purposely putting out fake Buck Williams autos.

[Cheken]

Look at the example Xavier posted, same card, same player, two different autographs. I can't see anything that conclusively shows these autos are fake. I find it hard to believe Panini is purposely putting out fake Buck Williams autos.

i don't think they necessarily putting out fake autos knowingly but there are a lot of touchy areas they may not want to explore. Are all the Panini autos are signed in front of a Panini personnel or is it one of those, you bring it home - get it signed, bring it back to me type of crap?

[xavieronly1]

i don't think they necessarily putting out fake autos knowingly but there are a lot of touchy areas they may not want to explore. Are all the Panini autos are signed in front of a Panini personnel or is it one of those, you bring it home - get it signed, bring it back to me type of crap?

I would say 90% of auto are signed at home. No one is going to sit in the hotel room to sign 10,000 auto in 2 days.

Like it or not, people demand auto in every pack. And that is the only way to get more autos.

[jj2]

I would say 90% of auto are signed at home. No one is going to sit in the hotel room to sign 10,000 auto in 2 days.

Like it or not, people demand auto in every pack. And that is the only way to get more autos.

This. As collectors we are part of the problem. We can't have at least one or two autos in every box and then expect to have each and every one of them witnessed.

[fullmetal]

The players sign a piece of paper that they return with the box of signed cards. It states they signed the items. Panini then pays them.

Panini should do some spot checking quality control.

[xavieronly1]

The players sign a piece of paper that they return with the box of signed cards. It states they signed the items. Panini then pays them.

Panini should do some spot checking quality control.

Maybe they already did. Who know. In my job, spot check IS failure.