Is the Quadruple Double akin to Baseball's Perfect Game?

[AdamMcDermott88]

Only 4 guys have done it since the started tracking blocks and assists. The last guy to do it was the Admiral.

They are so rare that I don't see it happening again in a while, but if it did who would you pick? Also, do you think it is lore worthy like the perfect game? Maybe more like a no hitter?

My pick is Anthony Davis because if Lebron hasn't done it by now he never will.

[JMarchand1981]

If only four guys have done it, I would say it is more like the perfecto than the no-no. A lot of guys have thrown no hitters. The list of guys who have thrown perfect games is much shorter.

[zebrastar]

Didn't AK47 do it?

[bigmick33]

More like a perfect game with 15 or more strikeouts.

[TungTLe]

DRob 94' 34pts/10ast/10rbs/2st/10blk
Olajuwon 90' 18pts/10ast/16rbs/1st/11blk
Robertson 86' 20pts/10ast/11rbs/10st/0blk
Thurmond 74' 22pts/13ast/14rbs/0st/12blk

some people will debate that a few people did it including turnovers, but really, are you counting something that goes against you???

[xavieronly1]

No. Perfect game is a performance without any mistake. That include your teammate to have the best defense game.

Quadruple Double is just an individual stat. I would think it is more like a total base thing. A "perfect" game in NBA is more like 15/15 FG with 0 turnover while playing for 48 minutes, but it still does not require your teammates to do the work.

Btw, block and steal did not start recorded back before 1973 (or something..) Pretty sure Bill Russell, Jerry West, Wilt could top quadruple double at least once.

[rats60]

DRob 94' 34pts/10ast/10rbs/2st/10blk
Olajuwon 90' 18pts/10ast/16rbs/1st/11blk
Robertson 86' 20pts/10ast/11rbs/10st/0blk
Thurmond 74' 22pts/13ast/14rbs/0st/12blk

some people will debate that a few people did it including turnovers, but really, are you counting something that goes against you???

Wilt 2/2/68 22 points/ 25 rebounds/ 21 assists/ 20 blocks
Wilt 3/18/68 53 points/ 32 rebounds/ 14 assists/ 24 blocks/ 11 steals
Wilt vs. Russell 1967 ECF Game 1- 24 points/ 32 rebounds/ 13 assists/ 12 blocks

[popmaz]

Wilt 2/2/68 22 points/ 25 rebounds/ 21 assists/ 20 blocks
Wilt 3/18/68 53 points/ 32 rebounds/ 14 assists/ 24 blocks/ 11 steals
Wilt vs. Russell 1967 ECF Game 1- 24 points/ 32 rebounds/ 13 assists/ 12 blocks

And this means what exactly? That Deacon Jones had 35 sacks in a season?

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

No. Perfect game is a performance without any mistake. That include your teammate to have the best defense game.

Quadruple Double is just an individual stat. I would think it is more like a total base thing. A "perfect" game in NBA is more like 15/15 FG with 0 turnover while playing for 48 minutes, but it still does not require your teammates to do the work.

Btw, block and steal did not start recorded back before 1973 (or something..) Pretty sure Bill Russell, Jerry West, Wilt could top quadruple double at least once.

You're all over the map on this one X. First of all, its possible to pitch a perfect game without involving any of your defense. Secondly, saying that a basketball player's statistics doesn't require their teammates to do any work is complete absurd. When an assist is created the player still has to make the bucket, when a point is scored you might rely on a screen to get open, when a rebound is made you might get it because of a box out your teammate did, when a block happens it might be from a defensive rotation that put you in that position. Not only does having a quad double rely on your teammates I would say it arguably relies more on your teammates than a perfect game would.

Another thing, pitching a "ball" (not strike) is certainly a mistake in my book. You can even throw a passed ball and it not count against a perfect game if it doesn't walk the batter.

I would say that the statistical difficulty of a quad double and a perfect game are similar, but both accomplishments are created completely different. One is determent of a team a 5 players constantly working together both defensively and offensively as one unit to win, whereas the other is in essence a two man game between the pitcher and catcher to strategize how to get each batter out, thus leaving the rest of the players as defensive backup. In reality a perfect game is a defensive statistic, while a quad double involves both defense and offense.

[oldgoldy97]

You're all over the map on this one X. First of all, its possible to pitch a perfect game without involving any of your defense. Secondly, saying that a basketball player's statistics doesn't require their teammates to do any work is complete absurd. When an assist is created the player still has to make the bucket, when a point is scored you might rely on a screen to get open, when a rebound is made you might get it because of a box out your teammate did, when a block happens it might be from a defensive rotation that put you in that position. Not only does having a quad double rely on your teammates I would say it arguably relies more on your teammates than a perfect game would.

Another thing, pitching a "ball" (not strike) is certainly a mistake in my book. You can even throw a passed ball and it not count against a perfect game if it doesn't walk the batter.

I would say that the statistical difficulty of a quad double and a perfect game are similar, but both accomplishments are created completely different. One is determent of a team a 5 players constantly working together both defensively and offensively as one unit to win, whereas the other is in essence a two man game between the pitcher and catcher to strategize how to get each batter out, thus leaving the rest of the players as defensive backup. In reality a perfect game is a defensive statistic, while a quad double involves both defense and offense.

Agreed. A true perfect game in that sense would be an 81 pitch, 27 strike out game.

[TuukkaTime]

Didn't AK47 do it?

He had a 5x5 a few times I believe.

[xavieronly1]

You're all over the map on this one X. First of all, its possible to pitch a perfect game without involving any of your defense. Secondly, saying that a basketball player's statistics doesn't require their teammates to do any work is complete absurd. When an assist is created the player still has to make the bucket, when a point is scored you might rely on a screen to get open, when a rebound is made you might get it because of a box out your teammate did, when a block happens it might be from a defensive rotation that put you in that position. Not only does having a quad double rely on your teammates I would say it arguably relies more on your teammates than a perfect game would.


One can get 10 points, 10 rebounds, 10 steals and 10 blocks without any teammate. Westbrook can drop 10 points easily from coast to coast (no teammate). Westbrook can get 10 rebounds from a random miss (no box out). Westbrook can get 10 steals on fullcourt pressure by himself (no teammate again). Westbrook can get 10 blocks on a one-on-one match (again, no teammate).

Sure you can get Quadruple Double without teammate. But does that mean it is likely to happen like you stated that perfect game can be done without anyone's help?

Btw, Perfect game NEEDS the catcher to catch the third strike. Otherwise, that man can run to 1st base. So, by that, if your teammate does NOT do work in baseball, you cannot catch 3rd strike. You can't get people out on stolen base. You can't stop people running home because you ask your teammate to do nothing.

[tjforce]

You're all over the map on this one X. First of all, its possible to pitch a perfect game without involving any of your defense. Secondly, saying that a basketball player's statistics doesn't require their teammates to do any work is complete absurd. When an assist is created the player still has to make the bucket, when a point is scored you might rely on a screen to get open, when a rebound is made you might get it because of a box out your teammate did, when a block happens it might be from a defensive rotation that put you in that position. Not only does having a quad double rely on your teammates I would say it arguably relies more on your teammates than a perfect game would.

Another thing, pitching a "ball" (not strike) is certainly a mistake in my book. You can even throw a passed ball and it not count against a perfect game if it doesn't walk the batter.

I would say that the statistical difficulty of a quad double and a perfect game are similar, but both accomplishments are created completely different. One is determent of a team a 5 players constantly working together both defensively and offensively as one unit to win, whereas the other is in essence a two man game between the pitcher and catcher to strategize how to get each batter out, thus leaving the rest of the players as defensive backup. In reality a perfect game is a defensive statistic, while a quad double involves both defense and offense.

I'm glad you posted this. I started to post something similar to point out the flawed logic, but just lost the resolve and quit. Thank you for restoring my faith in the blowout community

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

One can get 10 points, 10 rebounds, 10 steals and 10 blocks without any teammate. Westbrook can drop 10 points easily from coast to coast (no teammate). Westbrook can get 10 rebounds from a random miss (no box out). Westbrook can get 10 steals on fullcourt pressure by himself (no teammate again). Westbrook can get 10 blocks on a one-on-one match (again, no teammate).

Sure you can get Quadruple Double without teammate. But does that mean it is likely to happen like you stated that perfect game can be done without anyone's help?

Btw, Perfect game NEEDS the catcher to catch the third strike. Otherwise, that man can run to 1st base. So, by that, if your teammate does NOT do work in baseball, you cannot catch 3rd strike. You can't get people out on stolen base. You can't stop people running home because you ask your teammate to do nothing.

LOL, you're killing me smalls. Your argument is such a stretch, and completely desperate. There is a saying for this. (You're just trying to be right, when you know you're wrong)

JUST CURIOUS, Who passes the ball into Westbrook after an opponents made bucket (coast to coast, as you say)? Ohh wait I got it, he passes the ball of the defenders back or face. Ohh no no, I got it, he rebounds the ball and goes coast to coast and then the other team passes the ball inbounds and he steals it and shoots and misses 10 times and gets 10 rebounds, then steals the inbounds again then has the ball stolen from him then he steals it back 9 more times.


"Down by 19 with 10 secs to go, all they need is a steal, then a four point play, then the 5 technical fouls, another 4 point play and two more techs, then an inbounds steal and a three pointer to win." - Sounds like your argument ;)

[xavieronly1]

LOL, you're killing me smalls. Your argument is such a stretch, and completely desperate. There is a saying for this. (You're just trying to be right, when you know you're wrong)

JUST CURIOUS, Who passes the ball into Westbrook after an opponents made bucket (coast to coast, as you say)? Ohh wait I got it, he passes the ball of the defenders back or face. Ohh no no, I got it, he rebounds the ball and goes coast to coast and then the other team passes the ball inbounds and he steals it and shoots and misses 10 times and gets 10 rebounds, then steals the inbounds again then has the ball stolen from him then he steals it back 9 more times.


"Down by 19 with 10 secs to go, all they need is a steal, then a four point play, then the 5 technical fouls, another 4 point play and two more techs, then an inbounds steal and a three pointer to win." - Sounds like your argument ;)

Nah.. that is your argument as every point needs a pick. Every rebound need someone else to box out. Every block needs another teammate. Every steal needs someone to make mistake. I give you credit for pointing the assist really needs teammate to score even it is under the basket. But we are talking quad, not 5. So, I can take the assist out.

You started with that flawed argument saying "its possible to pitch a perfect game without involving any of your defense". It is like saying 27 strikeouts. But since you don't know the rule in baseball, it is NOT possible to do it without a catcher to catch the 3rd strike. So, at least you NEED 1 teammate, but that is not what you claimed above.

What I said before is to compare the nature of the two achievements. Perfect game needs team, quad-double does not by the definition. I am not even talking about what can actually happen in the game. I am comparing the definition itself. I agree with you that perfect game is defense while quad-double is two sides of the game. But I also point out that perfect game can't be done with just pitcher by the rule. Quad-double can be done.

P.S. to your question: Westbrook can get 5 seconds violation and goes for steal then scores from coast to coast. The game does not stop there.

[nibrugnerotto]

So would it be like hitting for the home run cycle? (Solo, 2-run, 3-run, Grand Slam)

[hquiz]

Kyle Lowry came very close to do it 2 days ago vs the Heat

19 pts
8 reb
8 ast
7 stl

[tristan20]

MCW came close it it in his debut, he has the ability to do it IMO.

22 points, 12 assists, nine steals and seven rebounds

Tim Duncan as well

21 points 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks

[sheetskout]

As far as rarity, maybe. As far as being equally difficult? The quad-double isn't even close to pitching a perfect game in difficulty.

[indyguy]

If he comes back healthy, I think Paul George is the type of player that can do it, just because he is athletic enough to give himself a shot at blocks and/or steals.

Kawhi Leonard is that same type of player.

[cmisley]

Hope you're watching the Pelicans game right now -- AD has chance (long shot) at one.

[duron]

As far as rarity, maybe. As far as being equally difficult? The quad-double isn't even close to pitching a perfect game in difficulty.

Yeah, as rare as it is, it's far more luck-based than a perfect game.

As was already mentioned - and as some refuse to believe (LOL) - too many stats in basketball can just be happenstance.

[eddiejr]

Hope you're watching the Pelicans game right now -- AD has chance (long shot) at one.

He is trying his best to get it!

[cdub6238]

He is trying his best to get it!

3 assists and 2 blocks shy so far..looks to potentially be headed to OT though

just as i type..Faried acts stupid lol

[oldgoldy97]

Yeah, as rare as it is, it's far more luck-based than a perfect game.

As was already mentioned - and as some refuse to believe (LOL) - too many stats in basketball can just be happenstance.

A perfect game relies a lot on luck, too. Plus there is much more reliance on an ump making gray area judgement calls in a perfect game. Look at the Tigers' pitcher who missed out on a perfect game a few years ago on a dumb call by an umpire.

[xavieronly1]

A perfect game relies a lot on luck, too. Plus there is much more reliance on an ump making gray area judgement calls in a perfect game. Look at the Tigers' pitcher who missed out on a perfect game a few years ago on a dumb call by an umpire.

But you can always lobby a rebound in basketball!

[irfuji]

Nah.. that is your argument as every point needs a pick. Every rebound need someone else to box out. Every block needs another teammate. Every steal needs someone to make mistake. I give you credit for pointing the assist really needs teammate to score even it is under the basket. But we are talking quad, not 5. So, I can take the assist out.

You started with that flawed argument saying "its possible to pitch a perfect game without involving any of your defense". It is like saying 27 strikeouts. But since you don't know the rule in baseball, it is NOT possible to do it without a catcher to catch the 3rd strike. So, at least you NEED 1 teammate, but that is not what you claimed above.

What I said before is to compare the nature of the two achievements. Perfect game needs team, quad-double does not by the definition. I am not even talking about what can actually happen in the game. I am comparing the definition itself. I agree with you that perfect game is defense while quad-double is two sides of the game. But I also point out that perfect game can't be done with just pitcher by the rule. Quad-double can be done.

P.S. to your question: Westbrook can get 5 seconds violation and goes for steal then scores from coast to coast. The game does not stop there.

Actually, without teammates its 5v1 so your argument is flawed from that standpoint.

5v1 I can guarantee no rebounds.

Yes, that is how absurd your logic is.

You are right that SOME points, steals, rebounds and blocks can be done all by ones self. BUT the statistical probability of EVERY point, rebound, steal, and block being done without the help of a teammate to affect the other player in such a way as to help (like a catcher catching a ball) is probably the same as winning mega millions 4 times in a row while finding a 10 leaf clover and catching 2 unicorns dancing on Lake Superior with Bigfoot.

and back on topic...

I think a quad double is about equal to a perfect game.

But what would a quintuple be equivalent to?

[xavieronly1]

Actually, without teammates its 5v1 so your argument is flawed from that standpoint.

5v1 I can guarantee no rebounds.

Yes, that is how absurd your logic is.

You are right that SOME points, steals, rebounds and blocks can be done all by ones self. BUT the statistical probability of EVERY point, rebound, steal, and block being done without the help of a teammate to affect the other player in such a way as to help (like a catcher catching a ball) is probably the same as winning mega millions 4 times in a row while finding a 10 leaf clover and catching 2 unicorns dancing on Lake Superior with Bigfoot.

and back on topic...

I think a quad double is about equal to a perfect game.

But what would a quintuple be equivalent to?

Yao got a self-rebound here. So, it is possible to get rebounds all day long depending who you play against. And how many self-rebound from missed layup one can get?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHoK4-LeuY

If you read the whole thread, I am not the one who starts this idea/perfect/unreal situation because someone else claims that you can get a perfect game just by a pitcher's performance. I just counter that logic that in basketball, you can actually drop quad-double all by himself/herself. But perfect game really needs a catcher in order to get the 3rd strike out.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

If you read the whole thread, I am not the one who starts this idea/perfect/unreal situation because someone else claims that you can get a perfect game just by a pitcher's performance. I just counter that logic that in basketball, you can actually drop quad-double all by himself/herself. But perfect game really needs a catcher in order to get the 3rd strike out.


Dear lord Xavier, you're losing points man as you continue this argument. After a lot of the common sense stuff you have said on here I'm surprised you are actually trying to make this stick. No one in basketball will ever drop a quad double all by themselves nor will a picture pitch a perfect game without his defense. Period. But it is actually more possible for a picture to pitch a perfect game without anyone other than his catcher, whereas as basketball player will utilize all of his teammates. If you really think otherwise, it will lead me to believe that you and Sportitupscards are the same person. J/K but seriously man, whats going on, do you need to see a professional?

Maybe I missed something, but a third strike isn't always dependent on the catcher.

Again, statistically speaking I would say that a quad double and a perfect game is similar. It doesn't mean that I am saying it's more difficult or anything else you are trying to infer. I would actually say the perfect game is a more difficult than a quad double because it is more of a singular accomplishment than a team one, as is the quad double.

[AdamMcDermott88]

Pretty coincidental that I post this in the morning and in the evening Anthony Davis is a block and 3 assists shy of it.

[bas]

Cp3 was 3 steals shy of a quad dbl in 07-08 twice