Bryce Harper voted MLB's 'most overrated player' by his peers

[TarjetasBéisbol]

We need a Bryce Harper thread!! Not the type of voting I am sure any player wants to win, especially since voted on by peers. The kid has something to prove and I think this is the year he must prove it. Second year in a row he has come out on top with Puig once again in 2nd place, although this years margin was wider.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/bryce-harper-voted-mlb-s--most-overrated-player--by-his-peers-190514899.html

[baseballcoach35]

Not overly surprising, considering what his output has been based on both popularity and 'hype.' I'm sure some of that has to do with some ballplayers that don't see him play the game the 'right way' whatever the hell that means.
As the Tim Brown article was referenced, he says where's my ring and gets crushed but Rizzo says we're going to win the Central and because he's a 'nice kid' he gets a pass? It's foolish.
Harper has tons of talent and pending another injury could hit .280 30 100 100 and he still wouldn't get the credit because he didn't run out a grounder that one time. Nonsense.

[VandyCards]

Well, with Jeter retiring....

[phizeta564]

Who knows better than the players that see him play in person? Have always said he's way overrated. Been there three seasons and hasn't shown much more than being average. After three seasons, the age excuse doesn't hold any merit. That's plenty of time to adjust if you are good. The homers (I mean home runs, not the male chicken gobblers that run rampant when talking about him), are impressive, but Adam Dunn hit a bunch too and didn't do much of anything else. Think he'll go down as an average to good player but never live up to his potential (different from hype)

[Nyfancam01]

Well, with Jeter retiring....

The 5 time world series champ and 100 percent LOCK for first ballot HOF? that guy?....

[groundsupport]

The 5 time world series champ and 100 percent LOCK for first ballot HOF? that guy?....

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Derek-Jeter-Fractures-Ankle.gif

[Nyfancam01]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Derek-Jeter-Fractures-Ankle.gif

Stuff happens... to every player in every sport. cute gif.

HOF. Captain. 5X WS CHAMP
LEGEND :)

[groundsupport]

Stuff happens... to every player in every sport. cute gif.

HOF. Captain. 5X WS CHAMP
LEGEND :)

And a broken ankle on a routine ground ball. :)!

[Nyfancam01]

And a broken ankle on a routine ground ball. :)!

I'm glad that is funny for ya.... classy :D

[groundsupport]

I'm glad that is funny for ya.... classy :D

If I wear diamond ear rings, would that make me more classy?

lol

:D

[trixstar]

Jeter is the classic lipstick on a pig

[davidk]

guy's only like 22 years old, so I think it's really early to say if he's a bust as a player. In fact, all things point to him being a great player in the league in the future. I actually think he'll be a great player. 40+ homerun type player one day. He's going to be 22, and he has like 50 something homeruns already. How many players can say that?

As far as hype? Yes. He got hyped up waaaaay too much. Before he did anything, he was the messiah of baseball. So, I dont blame other players voting on him. Honestly, with those youtube videos of him hitting homerun derby with aluminum bats, sports illustrated covers in highschool, etc etc, he was suppose to be the second coming of Babe Ruth. Yes... some people literally said he was the second coming of Babe Ruth... now that's hype.

Even in fantasy baseball, year or two ago, people were voting him 1, 2 or 3 in the first round... and he hadnt done anything yet. We had all these proven players hitting 35+ HRs and 300 avg guys in the league, but people were picking him over them, like Harper was gonna hit 50 HRs out of highschool.

I think people assume there's going to be a new trout every year. Trout doesnt happen that much. I think harper will be a great player, but wont live up to that enormous Lebron James type hype.

Players need to struggle, get sent down, get sent up again, get used to the league, find their swing, fix their swing, etc etc before they get any good. People seem to forget that Trout was sent down to double A after not cracking .200 avg after a month or something.

With that being said, I think the hype of Kris Bryant is also insane. Again, he hasnt done a thing yet. We havent seen him go through a slump (and trust me, he will have many slumps), or see how he handles injuries (he's a big awkward guy... 6'4" or something playing infield), or see how he handles the long grueling season in the big league. He also hasnt faced these vultures of MLB pitching.

I think at best kris bryant will be like Stanton. A homerun guy. Oh by the way, kris bryant will be 23, and Stanton, when he was 23, he had like 94 HRs in the big league already. I dont remember stanton getting this much hype.

just saying, sometimes, people see big shoulders, golden smile, overbloated stats in the minors, and go nuts sometimes.

[kevinandji]

Overrated is that the same as jealousy? I get that there are players out there doing their thing and posting better stats than Harper. So what....waaah. What makes Harper so hated is he is young, incredibly talented and brash. I tune in when he is up to bat or on the tv at all. With him we all know anything can happen, including injury. He definitely is considered overrated because whether he is hitting 3 HRs in a 4 game post season or riding pine with a boo boo he is 22 and has the whole world in front of him. Ask any little league kid who they like and guess what, Bryce Harper is the name most commonly used. Love him, hate him, who cares. He is good for the sport and has the talent to back it up. To all those 29 year old voters who spent 5-6 years in the minors and have statistically been better than Harper since he has been in the league it's easy to see why they would vote him the most overrated. I bet you ask that same player if they could be 22 and accomplish what Harper has already and switch places the answer would be yes! How many people said LeBron James was overrated and how many years did they say it? Until he won a championship and even to this day people call LeBron overrated. It's ok to not like someone but I guess a kid who can compete, excel, and flat out ball in the majors at 19 is overrated. I can only wish that my sons can someday be overrated in the MLB as well...At least Kris Bryant can start taking some of the Harper heat. I mean if your not Trout your not good. Overrated at 22 with 3 years down, two time all star and rookie of the year. Overrated at 22? Wowwww, I'm 45 and it just makes no sense. If you put on a MLB jersey and make any squad guess what kid, you are not overrated. You are an elite gifted athlete and do your thing!

[Carrbeaz]

The Jeter hate in this thread is amusing.

[VeedonFleece]

According to FanGraphs, in the five seasons 2010-14, Jeter was tied for 164th among position players with Cameron Maybin, Brian Dozier and Welington Castillo, despite playing 300+ games more than the latter. Slightly worse than Danny Espinosa but a tad better than John Buck. Great career or not, he provided little value during that time span. FanGraphs must be haters too!

[groundsupport]

The Jeter hate in this thread is amusing.

The Jeter Love in this thread is amusing. :D

[kyle1707]

People and players dislike like him.. He is brash cocky and kind of jerky...

He's a kid acting like he owns the place... Lots of dislike...

But If he does not miss 100 games because of 2 freak injuries...

He would be close to 500 hits at 22....

Think about that... 1/6 of the way to 3000 at 22.....

Crazy...

He needs to play 150 games this year... If he gets hurt again and misses 50 games...

Then I see this being a problem... But over rated ... Not really.. Disliked yes..

[sportcardtheory]

Yeah, we get it. Some people think Jeter is/was overrated. He's retired. Get on with your lives and talk about something relevant.

[SportsAutoFreak]

It's deserved. Harper is no scrub, but he's lived nowhere close to his hype. It's like people are trying their darndest to manufacture Harper on the same level of a Trout, Kershaw, McCutchen when he isn't.

[sportcardtheory]

It's deserved. Harper is no scrub, but he's lived nowhere close to his hype. It's like people are trying their darndest to manufacture Harper on the same level of a Trout, Kershaw, McCutchen when he isn't.

I just don't see it. I see people saying give him time, he's still young and will progress, but I never see anyone saying he's amazing and currently one of the best in the league. The anti-hype on Harper is more confounding than the actual hype, IMO.

[SportsAutoFreak]

It's early to call Harper a bust since he is still young, but he was overhyped. I do say I was in awe at his McCovey Cove homer in the NLDS. I do think he has work to do though.

[duwal]

Bryce Harper just released a response to the poll

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/harperarguing1stbase.gif

[dthimesch]

Wouldn't he still be the youngest guy on Washignton's AA team?

[death2redemptions]

I think he's a good (injury prone) player but yes, I believe he is one of the most overrated players in baseball currently. He just hasn't lived up to the hype yet, but he still has plenty of time to do so.

[VandyCards]

Some people can't handle jokes about the Captain.

[death2redemptions]

Some people can't handle jokes about the Captain.

David Wright?

[BostonNut]

Binkie fight! Binkie fight! Yes!!!!

[jake312]

In that article, the link that it leads to is a joke! Calling somebody "the chosen one" at an age of 16 is beyond ridiculous. The hype was oh too real and living up to that is basically next to impossible for him. Was he overrated? Yes. Is he know? Not sure, though can't see him ever really putting up big big stats. Almost feel bad for him in the position he is in. Why is there even a poll for that category that players can vote for themselves!

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Bryce Harper just released a response to the poll

Classic!!!

[speedyjg13]

David Wright?

Damn, you went there!!! Lol

[tonedef2oo8]

You know Jeter is one of the All time greats when a topic not about him at all his name gets brought up. That or they have a crush on him and cant stop saying his name.

[jmscoggin]

You know Jeter is one of the All time greats when a topic not about him at all his name gets brought up. That or they have a crush on him and cant stop saying his name.

Or a thread about overrated players gets started and the natural reaction to mention one of the most overrated players of all time (Jetah) kicks in. No, couldn't be that though.

[kyle1707]

Wouldn't he still be the youngest guy on Washignton's AA team?

He's never faced a pitcher younger then him....

Coming up on 4 years...

Maybe 1 this spring training?

[fitch123]

Overrated is that the same as jealousy? I get that there are players out there doing their thing and posting better stats than Harper. So what....waaah. What makes Harper so hated is he is young, incredibly talented and brash. I tune in when he is up to bat or on the tv at all. With him we all know anything can happen, including injury. He definitely is considered overrated because whether he is hitting 3 HRs in a 4 game post season or riding pine with a boo boo he is 22 and has the whole world in front of him. Ask any little league kid who they like and guess what, Bryce Harper is the name most commonly used. Love him, hate him, who cares. He is good for the sport and has the talent to back it up. To all those 29 year old voters who spent 5-6 years in the minors and have statistically been better than Harper since he has been in the league it's easy to see why they would vote him the most overrated. I bet you ask that same player if they could be 22 and accomplish what Harper has already and switch places the answer would be yes! How many people said LeBron James was overrated and how many years did they say it? Until he won a championship and even to this day people call LeBron overrated. It's ok to not like someone but I guess a kid who can compete, excel, and flat out ball in the majors at 19 is overrated. I can only wish that my sons can someday be overrated in the MLB as well...At least Kris Bryant can start taking some of the Harper heat. I mean if your not Trout your not good. Overrated at 22 with 3 years down, two time all star and rookie of the year. Overrated at 22? Wowwww, I'm 45 and it just makes no sense. If you put on a MLB jersey and make any squad guess what kid, you are not overrated. You are an elite gifted athlete and do your thing!

+1

I will be tuned in to watch as many of his at bats as I can this year. When he was on last year it was incredibly exciting to watch. Can't wait for big things to come this season!

[callou2131]

Or a thread about overrated players gets started and the natural reaction to mention one of the most overrated players of all time (Jetah) kicks in. No, couldn't be that though.

This guy. He gets it.

[mr10pin]

Bryce Harper is younger than Kris Bryant. :D:)!

[danimal875]

Kris Bryant is almost a full year older than Bryce Harper.

[dthimesch]

He's never faced a pitcher younger then him....

Coming up on 4 years...

Maybe 1 this spring training?

yeah exactly.

[Old Cardboard]

I always hear these comments about how he is younger than this guy, or he has never faced a pitcher younger than he is, etc.. What does that matter? I'll tell you. It doesn't matter. Either you can do it and be a superstar against your competition, or you can't. Pujols did it at a young age. The same with Griffey Jr. Harper hasn't. The guy has been a bust so far. One day the homers are going to wake up and realize Bryce Harper is a product of mainstream media hype and propaganda that is never going to be what he was projected as. The reason being, the game isn't as easy as guys like Pujols and Griffey Jr made it look at a young age.

[fitch123]

I always hear these comments about how he is younger than this guy, or he has never faced a pitcher younger than he is, etc.. What does that matter? I'll tell you. It doesn't matter. Either you can do it and be a superstar against your competition, or you can't. Pujols did it at a young age. The same with Griffey Jr. Harper hasn't. The guy has been a bust so far. One day the homers are going to wake up and realize Bryce Harper is a product of mainstream media hype and propaganda that is never going to be what he was projected as. The reason being, the game isn't as easy as guys like Pujols and Griffey Jr made it look at a young age.



Baseball is a game of stats and records. It matters a lot. Not to mention you improve with age...

are you really that dense?

[Old Cardboard]

Baseball is a game of stats and records. It matters a lot. Not to mention you improve with age...

are you really that dense?

Now you are going to start the personal insults because I state the truth about Harper thus far in his career? Grow up..

Not every player improves with age. Also, some guys are superstars in the minors and against lower level competition, but it never translates on the MLB level. So far, that is Bryce Harper.

Harper is a long way from the media propaganda of being "The Chosen One" that those magazine covers portrayed. Reminds me a lot of what happened with Clint Hurdle back in the late 70's-early 80's.

[CasperMcLovin]

I don't like Harper (at all), but I think he is about to have a big season.

[Firerunner4]

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[sportcardtheory]

If Harper doesn't have a breakout season this year, the term bust could certainly be bandied about. That said, he could be one of those guys who breaks out at 27. But wow, who would have expected that from him.

[Old Cardboard]

Here is the SI article I was mentioning of Clint Hurdle earlier.

Larry Keith: Clint Hurdle of Kansas City - More Sports - SI.com (http://www.si.com/more-sports/2007/10/23/hurdle-phenom)

<<"I'm a little cocky," he says. "I have a flair for the extraordinary. I know I have a lot to learn but I'd rather do it here.">>

Sound familiar?

[SportsAutoFreak]

Here is the SI article I was mentioning of Clint Hurdle earlier.

Larry Keith: Clint Hurdle of Kansas City - More Sports - SI.com (http://www.si.com/more-sports/2007/10/23/hurdle-phenom)

<<"I'm a little cocky," he says. "I have a flair for the extraordinary. I know I have a lot to learn but I'd rather do it here.">>

Sound familiar?

Reminds me of Harper for sure. Well, at the very least, Hurdle has had relative success as a manager.

Harper has a lot of defenders, I've noticed. They point out he was better than Trout at 19. Who was better at age 20? Who was better at age 21? Harper is 22 now, so I won't get ahead of myself, but what are the chances?

[sportcardtheory]

I just want to see what the kid can do in full, healthy season.

[dthimesch]

I always hear these comments about how he is younger than this guy, or he has never faced a pitcher younger than he is, etc.. What does that matter? I'll tell you. It doesn't matter. Either you can do it and be a superstar against your competition, or you can't. Pujols did it at a young age. The same with Griffey Jr. Harper hasn't. The guy has been a bust so far. One day the homers are going to wake up and realize Bryce Harper is a product of mainstream media hype and propaganda that is never going to be what he was projected as. The reason being, the game isn't as easy as guys like Pujols and Griffey Jr made it look at a young age.

Yes Pujols is a freak I will give you that but if you look at Griffey and Harper's lines at 19 and 20 they are pretty darn similar.

[jmscoggin]

I always hear these comments about how he is younger than this guy, or he has never faced a pitcher younger than he is, etc.. What does that matter? I'll tell you. It doesn't matter. Either you can do it and be a superstar against your competition, or you can't. Pujols did it at a young age. The same with Griffey Jr. Harper hasn't. The guy has been a bust so far. One day the homers are going to wake up and realize Bryce Harper is a product of mainstream media hype and propaganda that is never going to be what he was projected as. The reason being, the game isn't as easy as guys like Pujols and Griffey Jr made it look at a young age.

Now you are going to start the personal insults because I state the truth about Harper thus far in his career? Grow up..

Not every player improves with age. Also, some guys are superstars in the minors and against lower level competition, but it never translates on the MLB level. So far, that is Bryce Harper.

Harper is a long way from the media propaganda of being "The Chosen One" that those magazine covers portrayed. Reminds me a lot of what happened with Clint Hurdle back in the late 70's-early 80's.

Here is the SI article I was mentioning of Clint Hurdle earlier.

Larry Keith: Clint Hurdle of Kansas City - More Sports - SI.com (http://www.si.com/more-sports/2007/10/23/hurdle-phenom)

<<"I'm a little cocky," he says. "I have a flair for the extraordinary. I know I have a lot to learn but I'd rather do it here.">>

Sound familiar?

I'll give you this, you are certainly consistent. You can always be counted on to talk to people in a condescending way and you will always attack anyone/anything that dares to be edgy, bold or has flair. Harper is just the latest person that fits those criteria and drawn your ire. I can't say it enough, I really respect your baseball passion and knowledge but detest the way you converse with people as well as the way you run to mommy every time someone says something you don't like.

[kyle1707]

[QUOTE=fitch123;8949032]Baseball is a game of stats and records. It matters a lot. Not to mention you improve with age...

100% correct...

Who can get to 2500-3000 hits

or 400-500 home runs

and hall of fame...

Age is huge

[Blue_Devil]

Even Babe Ruth PC's Harper
Just sayin'
How about we let the kid grow? One day he'll hit 40 dingers with 120 RBIs and the same negative ninnies will run in here to ask why he didn't do that when he was in diapers...

[fitch123]

Now you are going to start the personal insults because I state the truth about Harper thus far in his career? Grow up..

Not every player improves with age. Also, some guys are superstars in the minors and against lower level competition, but it never translates on the MLB level. So far, that is Bryce Harper.

Harper is a long way from the media propaganda of being "The Chosen One" that those magazine covers portrayed. Reminds me a lot of what happened with Clint Hurdle back in the late 70's-early 80's.

Did I hurt your feelings?

There is no point in trying to sway your opinion. Yes Harper is Clint Hurdle. Let's ignore any facts that would say otherwise and concentrate on the pieces that will strengthen your argument. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[rob11nats]

Beating a dead horse here, but the guy already has 55 homers, 350 hits, and 2 playoff series' worth of postseason experience and he is YOUNGER than Kris Bryant.

[fitch123]

Beating a dead horse here, but the guy already has 55 homers, 350 hits, and 2 playoff series' worth of postseason experience and he is YOUNGER than Kris Bryant.

But...but OldCardboard says age doesn't matter! :confused:

[rob11nats]

But...but OldCardboard says age doesn't matter! :confused:

I used to think that too. Now I check their drivers' licenses :D:)!

[jmscoggin]

I used to think that too. Now I check their drivers' licenses :D:)!

Lol, did some time breaking big rocks into little ones?

[Old Cardboard]

I'll give you this, you are certainly consistent. You can always be counted on to talk to people in a condescending way and you will always attack anyone/anything that dares to be edgy, bold or has flair. Harper is just the latest person that fits those criteria and drawn your ire. I can't say it enough, I really respect your baseball passion and knowledge but detest the way you converse with people as well as the way you run to mommy every time someone says something you don't like.

You just like to stir the pot. I can't tell you how many times you try and call me out in a thread when it's not necessary. You need to knock your nonsense off. I am serious. This is more than once in a matter of a few days you have pulled this. I guess you are upset because your buddy got suspended for starting his nonsense with me.

I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. I posted my opinion of Harper, just like everyone else has. I posted an article talking about a young Clint Hurdle and how I seen he and Harper's rise in comparison up to this point. Others agreed with me.

Now, I ask that you please get off of my back. I am not going to tolerate it. I don't need "mommy" as you call it. I have flattened plenty of noses in my lifetime when they needed put in their place. You can't exactly do that on here, so when a mod needs to deal with a troublemaker, then so be it. I am not a bully, but I don't put up with them either. As others have pm'd me saying, you are one of the bullies on this board who likes to toss your weight around. You may do it to others, but I am not going to put up with it. I will do my best to get along with you, but that depends on if you can leave me alone. I don't follow your posts around stirring the pot with you. That is what you are attempting to do towards me, and it has been increasing lately. There is no need or desire for such behavior.

[Old Cardboard]

Did I hurt your feelings?

There is no point in trying to sway your opinion. Yes Harper is Clint Hurdle. Let's ignore any facts that would say otherwise and concentrate on the pieces that will strengthen your argument. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

No, you didn't hurt my feelings, but I don't see the need to call someone dense because they see a player in a different light than you do.

I never said Harper was Clint Hurdle. I was comparing them both being young "can't miss" players who were portrayed on magazine covers as the next "great". I also showed where a young Hurdle also admitted to his cockiness like Harper has, and how he wanted to work on developing his craft at the MLB level. That sure sounds a lot like Bryce Harper's current situation.

I don't hate Harper, but he earned his title of most overrated by the guys that he competes with. I didn't say it. His peers did. That's telling..

Like I said, some guys never live up to the hype. So far, Harper has not. And to be honest, I have my doubts that he ever will. That is the tragedy in today's world. Some guys get so hyped up by the media that it literally sets them up to be viewed as failures when they don't live up to superstar expectations. I think Harper may finish with a nice career, but no where near what he was projected as.

[death2redemptions]

You just like to stir the pot....

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1499879/thumbs/o-POT-MEET-KETTLE-570.jpg?1

[Old Cardboard]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1499879/thumbs/o-POT-MEET-KETTLE-570.jpg?1

Yep, some of the old guard sticking together. I get it. Cover for your pal. Go back to my first post in this thread and follow it through up to now. See who started the bull. It wasn't me. All I done was give my opinions about the player who is the subject of this thread. The very thing hundreds of others do on this forum on a daily basis without ever being called out or picked at for such.

[fitch123]

No, you didn't hurt my feelings, but I don't see the need to call someone dense because they see a player in a different light than you do.

I never said Harper was Clint Hurdle. I was comparing them both being young "can't miss" players who were portrayed on magazine covers as the next "great". I also showed where a young Hurdle also admitted to his cockiness like Harper has, and how he wanted to work on developing his craft at the MLB level. That sure sounds a lot like Bryce Harper's current situation.

I don't hate Harper, but he earned his title of most overrated by the guys that he competes with. I didn't say it. His peers did. That's telling..

Like I said, some guys never live up to the hype. So far, Harper has not. And to be honest, I have my doubts that he ever will. That is the tragedy in today's world. Some guys get so hyped up by the media that it literally sets them up to be viewed as failures when they don't live up to superstar expectations. I think Harper may finish with a nice career, but no where near what he was projected as.

I don't care about your opinion of Harper. I just don't see how you can legitimately make the argument that age doesn't matter without your premise or your mental capacity being limited in some way.

[Old Cardboard]

I don't care about your opinion of Harper. I just don't see how you can legitimately make the argument that age doesn't matter without your premise or your mental capacity being limited in some way.


You may not care about my opinion of Harper, but that is what this thread was about. I have also been in this hobby going on 40 years, so I understand things a bit better than you may think.

You took my comments about his age in the wrong way. What I was meaning was regardless of age, either you are a superstar, or you are not in MLB. So many use his age as an excuse as to why he has not became, "The Chosen One", as he was touted by the magazine covers thus far.

I get it, some have all of their hopes and dreams built up in this guy and his cards, but so far he has fallen short and even his peers are calling him out for it. And before some claim I am going after Harper, this is the only thread I can recall ever making any comments about him in.

[ninjacookies]

I used to be a Harper basher, but this kid is going to be something special. Younger than most of these new age hype machines and had the best offensive post season performance of any young gunner, including God aka Mr. Trout.

In another 2 or 3 years I could easily see him being a top 10 player, perhaps even 5...so long as he keeps his head on straight and steers clear of injuries (both of which have hampered his growth).

[sportcardtheory]

'I'm so mad that Harper was on the cover of SI six years ago!!!'

[TarjetasBéisbol]

I thought when I created this thread it was going to be about Harper?!? I swear some members seem to make just about every single thread they respond to all about them.

I would like to see Harper really have a break out season, especially since I am near DC.

[kevinandji]

In my opinion my son is the greatest little league player ever. Thank goodness we can all have opinions. I base mine off of his stats and I am biased towards my kid. I have no bias towards Harper but I do know he entered the majors at 19 and has not only been effective he is a 2 time all star. No doubt injury kept him from being a 3 for 3 all star. How is this over rated? I just cannot wrap my head around it. He has handled the boos, the pressure, and the post season. Yes, the post season, where the real pressure is on all players. All this makes him over rated? No scandals, DUIs, late night lunacy. He works hard and wants to win. I wish there were more over rated guys like Harper. From 19-22 I was a starving college student trying to get girls and looking for happy hour. How many kids can take everything this kid has and still be scandal free? He has been booed mercilessly since the age of 16 and keeps on doing and saying the right things. I think he is rated right where he should be. A top tier elite guy who can change games with one swing or throw. Imagine if the Nats manager didn't pull Jordan after 9 and 2/3 of shut out ball for Storen? My guess is Harper makes it to another 7 game post season series where he would have rewritten all the post season records for a kid his age. Yep, over rated is right where he is. Face it Harper...YOU SUCK!

[Chicosbailbonds]

What would be considered a disappointing year for Harper in 2015? I'm saying anything south of 25 HRs and 90 RBI's.

[speedyjg13]

What would be considered a disappointing year for Harper in 2015? I'm saying anything south of 25 HRs and 90 RBI's.

Anything south of 100 games.

[death2redemptions]

I thought when I created this thread it was going to be about Harper?!? I swear some members seem to make just about every single thread they respond to all about them.

I would like to see Harper really have a break out season, especially since I am near DC.

This happens in nearly every thread Old Blowhard comments in...

[glassnickels]

I don't really give a hoot about Harper either way, but can we please stop using All Star appearances as a barometer of anything? A fan popularity contest vote means nothing. See the 2014 inclusion of Jeter, who everyone loves to point out was awful.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

This happens in nearly every thread Old Blowhard comments in...

Tell me about it.

[Old Cardboard]

This happens in nearly every thread Old Blowhard comments in...

Yep, because there are a few of you who can't get over a previous issue we had on these boards, and just continue to have an axe to grind.

Tarjet, don't blame me for derailing your thread. I posted an opinion about Harper and tried to stay on subject. Your buddy JMscoggin derailed it.

[jmscoggin]

You just like to stir the pot. I can't tell you how many times you try and call me out in a thread when it's not necessary. You need to knock your nonsense off. I am serious. This is more than once in a matter of a few days you have pulled this. I guess you are upset because your buddy got suspended for starting his nonsense with me.

I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. I posted my opinion of Harper, just like everyone else has. I posted an article talking about a young Clint Hurdle and how I seen he and Harper's rise in comparison up to this point. Others agreed with me.

Now, I ask that you please get off of my back. I am not going to tolerate it. I don't need "mommy" as you call it. I have flattened plenty of noses in my lifetime when they needed put in their place. You can't exactly do that on here, so when a mod needs to deal with a troublemaker, then so be it. I am not a bully, but I don't put up with them either. As others have pm'd me saying, you are one of the bullies on this board who likes to toss your weight around. You may do it to others, but I am not going to put up with it. I will do my best to get along with you, but that depends on if you can leave me alone. I don't follow your posts around stirring the pot with you. That is what you are attempting to do towards me, and it has been increasing lately. There is no need or desire for such behavior.

Good grief I'm tired of your act. My comments had zero to do with any "buddy" and if you had any sense you would know that. If anything, Veedon and I are rarely on the same page but at least the two of us can talk and debate without either of us being condescending and certainly without crying to a mod. You love to throw your opinion around and talk down to people but the second someone tries to counter your argument you freak out and run to mommy.

You obviously are keeping count but as long as you keep talking like a dick, I'll keep calling you out for it. You're in the driver's seat and can break the cycle at any time you wish. You are so narcissistic that you can't even see that it is you that are starting it. It doesn't even matter that multiple people have told you the exact same thing.

Do not flatter yourself, following you around is the last thing I'd want to do and in fact I try to do the opposite. I usually see your comments and either ignore them or just click back. Way to play the imaginary, 'people pm me and agree with me' crap. Good for you, what is this kindergarten? As for "weight", what does that even mean? I have no pull around here, just an opinion that is as worthless as anyone else's, sorry if you are too delicate to deal with such things.

I am anything but a bully and it isn't a vendetta. I have agreed with you many times and commented on your posts in a positive way many times. I know that is convenient to ignore as you play the victim card though. I like everyone equally but if someone wants to act like an arse I'll tell them so. It just so happens that you do that more than most. You've reported so many people and for such stupid things that mods have actually had to dress you down. Do you really not see that as a problem?

Nice passive aggressive threat as well. I'd love to see you come anywhere near my nose. It would be a mistake you would only make once.

[Old Cardboard]

Good grief I'm tired of your act. My comments had zero to do with any "buddy" and if you had any sense you would know that. If anything, Veedon and I are rarely on the same page but at least the two of us can talk and debate without either of us being condescending and certainly without crying to a mod. You love to throw your opinion around and talk down to people but the second someone tries to counter your argument you freak out and run to mommy.

You obviously are keeping count but as long as you keep talking like a dick, I'll keep calling you out for it. You're in the driver's seat and can break the cycle at any time you wish. You are so narcissistic that you can't even see that it is you that are starting it. It doesn't even matter that multiple people have told you the exact same thing.

Do not flatter yourself, following you around is the last thing I'd want to do and in fact I try to do the opposite. I usually see your comments and either ignore them or just click back. Way to play the imaginary, 'people pm me and agree with me' crap. Good for you, what is this kindergarten? As for "weight", what does that even mean? I have no pull around here, just an opinion that is as worthless as anyone else's, sorry if you are too delicate to deal with such things.

I am anything but a bully and it isn't a vendetta. I have agreed with you many times and commented on your posts in a positive way many times. I know that is convenient to ignore as you play the victim card though. I like everyone equally but if someone wants to act like an arse I'll tell them so. It just so happens that you do that more than most. You've reported so many people and for such stupid things that mods have actually had to dress you down. Do you really not see that as a problem?

Nice passive aggressive threat as well. I'd love to see you come anywhere near my nose. It would be a mistake you would only make once.

Well, I am tired of your act. If you didn't start popping off at me, there would not have been any issue.

I don't talk down to anyone. This is just a false perception by some of you who are bent at me. I can't make you see it any differently, so what am I to do? I certainly am not going to take your bullying.

I also didn't make any threat. I was just saying that a mod is the only way to deal with bullies on an internet message board, that in person could be confronted in a different manner.

Another thing; No mods have dressed me down. That's another lie.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Yep, because there are a few of you who can't get over a previous issue we had on these boards, and just continue to have an axe to grind.

Tarjet, don't blame me for derailing your thread. I posted an opinion about Harper and tried to stay on subject. Your buddy JMscoggin derailed it.

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, what is the common denominator?

[Old Cardboard]

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, what is the common denominator?

I have an opinion that made an enemy of myself with some of you. Once that happened, there is no making a mend with you guys. It doesn't work. I try to stay on topic and the pile on bull still starts. It's called juvenile high school games being the common denominator.

[jmscoggin]

I have an opinion that made an enemy of myself with some of you. Once that happened, there is no making a mend with you guys. It doesn't work. I try to stay on topic and the pile on bull still starts. It's called juvenile high school games being the common denominator.

Classic entitlement narcissistic denial. If I didn't know better I'd say you were Generation Cupcake. People have opposite opinions on here every single day and do so without making any enemies. You just can't see the reality that is staring you right in the face. How many people have to tell you the exact same thing before you realize you are wrong?

[awz50]

But he is soo goodz.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

I have an opinion that made an enemy of myself with some of you. Once that happened, there is no making a mend with you guys. It doesn't work. I try to stay on topic and the pile on bull still starts. It's called juvenile high school games being the common denominator.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[awz50]

I have an opinion that made an enemy of myself with some of you. Once that happened, there is no making a mend with you guys. It doesn't work. I try to stay on topic and the pile on bull still starts. It's called juvenile high school games being the common denominator.

Im sorry we are so juvenile, we will always be on topic a 100% of the time

[Old Cardboard]

Classic entitlement narcissistic denial. If I didn't know better I'd say you were Generation Cupcake. People have opposite opinions on here every single day and do so without making any enemies. You just can't see the reality that is staring you right in the face. How many people have to tell you the exact same thing before you realize you are wrong?

Yeah, cupcake..:rolleyes: Well, I will tell you, I have never backed down to a bully. This old country boy can handle his own.

I know there is safety in numbers when piling on one person. You started the bull with me in this thread that took things off course. Anyone can go back and read it for themselves. Anyone who is not biased can see it. I know the little clique will stick together on here and continue to pile on, but doesn't mean you are right. It just means you are in the majority by mob rule..

[awz50]

Yeah, cupcake..:rolleyes: Well, I will tell you, I have never backed down to a bully. This old country boy can handle his own.

I know there is safety in numbers when piling on one person. You started the bull with me in this thread that took things off course. Anyone can go back and read it for themselves. Anyone who is not biased can see it. I know the little clique will stick together on here and continue to pile on, but doesn't mean you are right. It just means you are in the majority by mob rule..

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/03/300sailors/d52e143f3.gif

[jmscoggin]

Yeah, cupcake..:rolleyes: Well, I will tell you, I have never backed down to a bully. This old country boy can handle his own.

I know there is safety in numbers when piling on one person. You started the bull with me in this thread that took things off course. Anyone can go back and read it for themselves. Anyone who is not biased can see it. I know the little clique will stick together on here and continue to pile on, but doesn't mean you are right. It just means you are in the majority by mob rule..

Typical entitled victim statement. Never them, always the mob, bully, media, system, clique, Man, yadda, yadda, yadda. You may be old but you are no country boy. No true country boy would cry to a mod because someone said something on a message board that hurt his wittle feelings.

[Old Cardboard]

Typical entitled victim statement. Never them, always the mob, bully, media, system, clique, Man, yadda, yadda, yadda. You may be old but you are no country boy. No true country boy would cry to a mod because someone said something on a message board that hurt his wittle feelings.

Of course, doctor.. Thanks for the diagnosis. I must say it would be entertaining to bring you out to our family farm and see if you could keep up.

Instead, just get on a message board and be a bully and pile on because it allows you to do all of the things you can't fulfill in real life. Right?

[blackbears86]

ok............keeping this thread on track....

A few things:

1. It is concerning that his own peers are calling him the most overrated player. Not some fanboy or sportswriter who hates him.

2. The injury bug cannot be denied. This the year he needs to play 140+ games.

3. I know folks on here are saying "he is so young look at his numbers and what he's done already" and I love what he's done----but it just seems like we are seeing stretches of half a harper at times....

[jmscoggin]

ok............keeping this thread on track....

A few things:

1. It is concerning that his own peers are calling him the most overrated player. Not some fanboy or sportswriter who hates him.

2. The injury bug cannot be denied. This the year he needs to play 140+ games.

3. I know folks on here are saying "he is so young look at his numbers and what he's done already" and I love what he's done----but it just seems like we are seeing stretches of half a harper at times....

Best post in the entire thread even though I'm a bit partial to a few of mine. This was non biased, not inflammatory and on point.

[exitmusicblue]

Sooner or later Old Cardboard will realize that it's no fun posting in a forum where the better part of users see him as one big walking Red Flag for X variety of reasons.

Calling jmscoggin a bully makes no sense. You don't throw out these accusations without damned good reason. No one else I know does this on here, frankly. You roll with the punches and hit back as you please, you don't go for the nonsensical low blows or mod-whistling.

I still haven't forgotten the religion-driven bashing, either, regardless of "who started it." Blowout is not one of those Paul Newman movies, there are plenty of other avenues for that. I predict that Cardboard will either self-exile or be exiled unless a new leaf is turned.

[death2redemptions]

C'mon guys, it isn't Old Blowhards fault that arguments always seem to break out when he makes a comment, it is everyone else's fault. You are all out to get him. He is entitled to be able to act like a prick to everyone and he is also entitled to play the victim card when someone responds prickly to his prickliness.

[Old Cardboard]

Sooner or later Old Cardboard will realize that it's no fun posting in a forum where the better part of users see him as one big walking Red Flag for X variety of reasons.

Calling jmscoggin a bully makes no sense. You don't throw out these accusations without damned good reason. No one else I know does this on here, frankly. You roll with the punches and hit back as you please, you don't go for the nonsensical low blows or mod-whistling.

I still haven't forgotten the religion-driven bashing, either, regardless of "who started it." Blowout is not one of those Paul Newman movies, there are plenty of other avenues for that. I predict that Cardboard will either self-exile or be exiled unless a new leaf is turned.

Yes, mainly because of what happened in 2 threads(Pujols and Hamilton threads), I am hated by the little clique. Well, if standing up for my God and not allowing him to be mocked has me marked and hated, then so be it. I'd do it again, in a heartbeat.

[jmscoggin]

C'mon guys, it isn't Old Blowhards fault that arguments always seem to break out when he makes a comment, it is everyone else's fault. You are all out to get him. He is entitled to be able to act like a prick to everyone and he is also entitled to play the victim card when someone responds prickly to his prickliness.

Why do you keep reminding me of .....................................................

http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q661/jmscoggin/johnny-depp-johnny-depp-s-hand-injury-leads-him-away-from-pirates-5-production_zpsjzohdbbj.jpeg (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/jmscoggin/media/johnny-depp-johnny-depp-s-hand-injury-leads-him-away-from-pirates-5-production_zpsjzohdbbj.jpeg.html)

My kids and I just had a Pirates of the Caribbean marathon and you keep saying things that make me think of Jack Sparrow. Crap, I took it back off topic but I'm easily swayed by peer pressure so it isn't my fault. You would think someone that is a bully and has the entire mob of BO under his command and control would have better willpower. :coffee:

[exitmusicblue]

Don't get me started on what would happen if I were to badmouth Pujols... :D

Dude, maybe just don't take things personally even if some users say crude or personal things. It's called taking the high ground. It's more fun that way, trust me, compared to responding to every single nuance or li'l attack with equivalent or greater force...

[exitmusicblue]

C'mon guys, it isn't Old Blowhards fault that arguments always seem to break out when he makes a comment, it is everyone else's fault. You are all out to get him. He is entitled to be able to act like a prick to everyone and he is also entitled to play the victim card when someone responds prickly to his prickliness.

D2R, you're being unreasonable just like me. We have nothing better to do than act as a clique on this damned forum and stand up for each other via keyboard warriorhood. It's the good life, chicks and Benjamin Franklins everywhere...

[Kevin]

There's no denying that the guy has talent. In terms of production, his ceiling is as high as nearly any young player in MLB.

The problem with him overall though, is that his production hasn't matched the hype yet. He was labeled a can't miss prospect during his junior year of high school and had nearly the most publicity of any MLB prospect ever. Alot of this was due to the fact that the MLB draft was being publicized more the last few years and the media was looking for a face to feature.

Obviously this wasn't Harper's fault, he didn't ask for the publicity and hype. The problem is that he's only adding fuel to the fire with his lack of humility during interviews. Personally I've found the guy to be slightly arrogant for someone so young and unproven.

[rittdk01]

He brought on most of it himself. That the players think think this way about him leads me to believe he's as knuckle headed in the locker room as he is everywhere else.

I think injuries r gonna do him in. He's had a lot and is 22. Hate 2 see him at 32.

And using his age as an excuse expired 1.5 seasons ago. Griffey, Lebron and Kobe never acted like him even when they were 18 or 19 in the bigs.

[jmscoggin]

He brought on most of it himself. That the players think think this way about him leads me to believe he's as knuckle headed in the locker room as he is everywhere else.

I think injuries r gonna do him in. He's had a lot and is 22. Hate 2 see him at 32.

And using his age as an excuse expired 1.5 seasons ago. Griffey, Lebron and Kobe never acted like him even when they were 18 or 19 in the bigs.

In all seriousness, what does the bolded even mean? He rubs people the wrong way so what? He is a model citizen off of the field by all accounts and plays hard on it. Has he made mistakes? Absolutely but nothing egregious. Part of the reason for these poll results go back to the same reasons that he was intentionally hit by Cole Hamels. Sports is a fraternity and paying your dues is a requirement. Vets resent some noob coming in and getting anointed as the greatest thing ever right off the bat. That still hasn't worn off. In reality, a great many of them need to shut up as their complete seasons pale in comparison to what Bryce can do in a partial season.

I agree that the injuries are a concern though. He needs to figure out how to stay on the field for 150+ games. I also agree that regardless of how good he is potentially and regardless of how well he does in partial seasons, the hyperbole should dial down unless and until he actually puts in a full season(s) on par with expectations.

[LanceBroz]

Calm down guys, he's just trying to break into the 60 RBI club :)!

[Firerunner4]

Calm down guys, he's just trying to break into the 60 RBI club :)!

AYOOOOOOOO.....zing! I actually laughed at this pretty hard!

[cypher]

Typical entitled victim statement. Never them, always the mob, bully, media, system, clique, Man, yadda, yadda, yadda. You may be old but you are no country boy. No true country boy would cry to a mod because someone said something on a message board that hurt his wittle feelings.

Take a break dude. This is a sports cards forum. Find a politics or psychology forum to rant on.

[rittdk01]

In all seriousness, what does the bolded even mean? He rubs people the wrong way so what? He is a model citizen off of the field by all accounts and plays hard on it. Has he made mistakes? Absolutely but nothing egregious. Part of the reason for these poll results go back to the same reasons that he was intentionally hit by Cole Hamels. Sports is a fraternity and paying your dues is a requirement. Vets resent some noob coming in and getting anointed as the greatest thing ever right off the bat. That still hasn't worn off. In reality, a great many of them need to shut up as their complete seasons pale in comparison to what Bryce can do in a partial season.

I agree that the injuries are a concern though. He needs to figure out how to stay on the field for 150+ games. I also agree that regardless of how good he is potentially and regardless of how well he does in partial seasons, the hyperbole should dial down unless and until he actually puts in a full season(s) on par with expectations.
Hmm kinda self explanatoryHis age is brought up all the time as reason for the stupid behavior. They were all in the bigs before him and didn't do the dumb stuff. He's more immature than they were. But yea didn't mean to put him anywhere near Lebron, Griffey or Kobe in talent just age comparison.

He was a huge deal at 16 but but 6 yrs later trout stole his thunder.

[kevinandji]

So then the consensus says Harper is over rated because he gets injured? So be it...sometimes things are beyond a players control. However, if I read correctly Harper slimmed down, reassessed if diving into third head first up 7-0 is really necessary, and sought out veterans like Jason Werth as to how to handle playing right and avoiding walls in certain ball clubs stadiums. Maybe at 19, 20 and 21 with the Universe waiting for him to put on his cape in his mind he has to do super human feats so we can stop calling him a pompous pampered golden child. No doubt the fans, media, even his coach whom I am no fan of, has all played a small part in Harper trying too hard when it does not dictate he needs too. If Jose Abreu at 27 can garner that hype and have a card sell for $15,000 on what he might be we can all start saying Harper has another 5 years to be Abreu. I get the people who don't like him, I really do. I have just turned a blind eye to what pundits say and base my opinion on his on the field talent and off the field family oriented, stay out of trouble, lay low and perfect his craft attitude. Can people really ask more? I don't see him being a train wreck like Josh Hamilton or an average player like most like to predict. Here is the great news, Harper can only use being called over rated to stoke his competive Fire even more. However without reckless abandon and the assistance of veterans. Have we ever heard any of his current or former teammates say anything bad about him? I do remember Zimmerman having a problem with Bonds and I see the pattern repeating here. He tugs Harper's leash when not needed and says stupid things to needle him. Hey Zimmerman, when Jordan Zimmerman has pitched 9-2/3 of shut out ball and walks one guy due to what everyone knew were very questionable calls you let Jordan finish that game. In football we had Petey not handing to Beast and in baseball putting in Drew Storen to ultimately lose an 18 inning back breaker robbed the Nats of a chance to win the WS and see what else Mr Over Rated may have accomplished in post season. Most over rated manager is Nat's Zimmerman. I still am pissed off that he put in Storen. Was I the only one who saw the move as terrible? Look no further than the year prior against St Louis when Storen blew it again. Can we all agree that having two more 7 game series who have Harper breaking every record for post season HRs by anyone his age? Not only broke but destroyed is my guess...I also like the fact Harper signs for kids but passes up grown men to do so. These greedy slobs trample kids to get handfuls of things signed then talk crap if he doesn't. Sit down plumbers crack and let the kids get an auto...luckily Gio Gonzales mother gave my 8 year old the red carpet treatment. Nothing like being outside locker room getting signed game ball by Strasburgh, Gonzales and Harper complete with nice smiling pics. Too bad Edwin Jacksons auto made it on the ball...oh well, something my son and I can cherish forever.

[jmscoggin]

Hmm kinda self explanatoryHis age is brought up all the time as reason for the stupid behavior. They were all in the bigs before him and didn't do the dumb stuff. He's more immature than they were. But yea didn't mean to put him anywhere near Lebron, Griffey or Kobe in talent just age comparison.

He was a huge deal at 16 but but 6 yrs later trout stole his thunder.

No, it isn't "self explanatory". I get what the intention was behind the comment but I was looking for examples. Please show me where Harper has acted worse than "Kobe, Lebron, Griffey" etc. What "dumb stuff" are you referring too? Running into a wall because he was playing all out? Jogging out a hit when he had a zero chance of being safe? tricking a guy into trying for second just so the he can try and throw him out? He was successful in that one by the way.

This is twice you've repeated the same generic accusation but put no facts behind it. You may be right and I may be missing something which is why I asked for clarification earlier and am now doing it a second time.

99.9999999% of the population would be doing dumb things left and right if idolized at such a young age and handed millions of dollars. Harper on the other hand has made a couple of harmless rookie type mistakes and carried himself flawlessly off of the field. Is he cocky? Yeah, so what? Almost everyone his age is, baseball phenoms or not.

Yes, Trout "stole his thunder" but Trout has stolen everyone's thunder. That is hardly a slight.

[dwest13cavs]

being a bust and being overrated are two different things. Bryce Harper may be overrated right now, but he isn't a bust yet. When (and if) he gets to age 30, we will have a better idea if he was a bust.

[death2redemptions]

being a bust and being overrated are two different things. Bryce Harper may be overrated right now, but he isn't a bust yet. When (and if) he gets to age 30, we will have a better idea if he was a bust.

This is currently how I feel about Harper. He's certainly not a bust by any means but he just hasn't lived up to the expectations yet...although he has plenty of time to do so.

[blackbears86]

I agree....He is nowhere near a bust.......yet.....I am being cautiously optimistic...Hoping the kid does well because he is good for baseball:)!

[kyle1707]

being a bust and being overrated are two different things. Bryce Harper may be overrated right now, but he isn't a bust yet. When (and if) he gets to age 30, we will have a better idea if he was a bust.

Not close to a bust.... People just want him to be Mike Trout.. Good luck to anyone trying to do that...

19-21 years old...

2 all star games
1 roy

Played around 2 years and 1 month of games...

AVG 23 hrs 74 RBIs and 170 hits...

If he can stay health for 15 years and NEVER gets any better..

Will end up with 2500 hits and 400 home runs...

Not sure what else a 21 year old can do... Unless your name is Griffey Trout mantle Williams etc...

Injuries... Only issue.. Can he stay healthy... If he does not get hurt and does not miss 100 games..

The guy would have close to 500 hits at 21. 1/6 of the way to 3000

Still has a shot at 500 hits at 22... He's 22 all year... Crazy IMO

Will see..

[Chicosbailbonds]

His card prices are not based on that 23/74 though. Unfortunately the hobby has elevated to Trout numbers or championships, else he's a bust.

[Dranide]

I'm a huge Harper fan, I wouldn't call a guy who's been injured a bust, yeah overhyped but so is every player and their mom at this point.

[SportsAutoFreak]

The problem with Harper is Trout is playing with Harper's hype and Harper isn't.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Harper reminds me of Bo Jackson when he was playing. Bo could do everything, looked great on the highlights. You look at the stats, and you scratch your head about how underwhelming they are.

[kevinandji]

Harper and Trout are the sole reasons I started watching baseball and I am 45. I am that guy who thought football, football and more football. I might tune in to game 7 of the WS in the ninth inning but other than that baseball was just boring. These two "kids" single handedly made baseball exciting for myself and many others. Over rated equals more ratings...:)!