Ok who you got tonight? Wisconsin or Duke?

[LeonfromNC]

I hate Duke, but I say Coach K guides the dookies to another title and 2nd win over the badgers this season.

78-74 Duke by 4

Your predictions?

[fullmetal]

Duke 65-63 (my bracket has Duke 65 - Kentucky 63)

[doobypenguin]

need Wisconsin to win to win my pool

[OKCThunder35]

Wisconsin 75-69

[kdub0982]

Wisco by 4!

[UNCrolltide4]

I HATE Duke too with a passion. I say Kaminsky shut down Okafor and Wisconsin wins 70-64

[Jasondr91]

Duke 71

Wisconsin 67

(Super close game, Duke wins with free throws.)

[Rareairx23]

Duke, okafor gonna tear it up

[crazymj]

Since i lost a lot on Kentucky, i dislike Wisconsin so putting all my money on the Duke tonight.

[Miasma]

I got Wisconsin, and not just because I'm a homer. They're on one of the best streaks the tourneys ever seen, so I say they finish the job tonight, 68-66.

[IronMonkey415]

You guys say to put all my money in DUKE?

Ok I will do that.

[crazymj]

You guys say to put all my money in DUKE?

Ok I will do that.

I am 50.000001% sure

[dherm360]

Wisconsin 77 Duke 65

[Junior Griffey]

Wisconsin 74 - Duke 66. Okafor barely shows up.

[OKCThunder35]

If Wisconsin wins tonight, this will probably be the best tournament run ever.

Had to play UNC in the Sweet 16. I think that UNC is the caliber of a 2-3 seed. They then have to play Zona, who many had beating Wisconsin. A lot of people also thought that Zona deserved a 1 seed. Then they go and beat the undefeated Wildcats, which that win right there puts them in the record books. If they finish the job off tonight against the other 1 seed Duke, it will truly be amazing.

[jbrandonw]

Hope Wisconsin, but I'm betting duke will win.

[packman80]

UW 74
Duke 69

Dekker nails a big 3 with 30 seconds left to seal the win.

[Junior Griffey]

I saw an article that said if they win they'll be the first team to face and beat the highest possible seed they could have faced in every round. Either the first ever or the first in a really long time.

If Wisconsin wins tonight, this will probably
be the best tournament run ever.

Had to play UNC in the Sweet 16. I think that UNC is the caliber of a 2-3 seed. They then have to play Zona, who many had beating Wisconsin. A lot of people also thought that Zona deserved a 1 seed. Then they go and beat the undefeated Wildcats, which that win right there puts them in the record books. If they finish the job off tonight against the other 1 seed Duke, it will truly be amazing.

[shortstopguy12]

Wisconsin will control the game all night... They dominated Kentucky and it shouldn't even have been as close as it was. Wisconsin made some stupid turnovers that they usually do not make. I am predicting Wisconsin by 8..... I made some big money on them beating Kentucky.. I cashed out half and placed the rest on them to win again. Playing with the houses' money. I also put $$ down at the beginning of the tourney for Wisconsin to win.
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To recap..... Go Badgers

[JerseyCP3]

Okafor and Winslow will go for 50 together

Duke 76
Wis- 67

Go Duke!

[Hbkhbk]

White men can't jump...

Can a group of predominately white players beat Duke?

[nameanking]

Kentucky by a landslide

[shaner1]

Got my lucky Wisconsin shirt ready to go! UW 64 - Duke 56

[OKCThunder35]

White men can't jump...

Can a group of predominately white players beat Duke?

They could beat Kentucky so yes, they can beat Duke.

[OKCThunder35]

Go WISCONSIN!!!

[Nyfancam01]

HATE DOOK


Anybody but them!!!!!!!!!!

GO WISCONSIN

[realreodeal]

Great Game so far

[fullmetal]

Refs need to swallow their whistles and let them play.

[Nyfancam01]

refs will bail dook out over and over again

[fullmetal]

refs will bail dook out over and over again

Wisconsin has had more than their fair share of favorable calls tonight. I don't think you can make that claim tonight, not even a Crap Heels fan can.

[here2fu]

Wisconsin 10 offensive boards in the first half really helped them. Good game so far.

[Nyfancam01]

Wisconsin has had more than their fair share of favorable calls tonight. I don't think you can make that claim tonight, not even a Crap Heels fan can.

watch as the game gets closer to the end...... i've seen this year after year.

refs <3 dook.

[JerseyCP3]

refs will bail dook out over and over again

Idk about that. Ima Duke fan and we look awful. This may not be our year. Badgers want it more.

[trixstar]

Wisconsin. Too many mismatches

[whodatbeastly16]

Wtf Miles Plumlee dude needs to quit taking shots

[DalliLlama11]

gotta take wisconsin, gotta root for the hometown kid+jr high teammate, Frank.

[whodatbeastly16]

Grayson allen is hooping!

[JerseyCP3]

Wtf Miles Plumlee dude needs to quit taking shots

I'm screaming the same thing man!!

[JerseyCP3]

Grayson Allen!

[whodatbeastly16]

gotta take wisconsin, gotta root for the hometown kid+jr high teammate, Frank.
Woa you played with Frank the tank?


And there goes my boy Grayson allen

[whodatbeastly16]

Duke needs to do a better job of closing out. The dribble drive and kick out is killing them. The focus on Kaminsky is drawing the guards inside

[here2fu]

They cant stop Wisconsin.

[DalliLlama11]

Woa you played with Frank the tank?


And there goes my boy Grayson allen
Yea, we still do some pickup games over the summer and such. He went to Benet though for high school, and I stayed at Lisle High School. Played against Anthony Davis when I was in hs too when he was at Perspectives (Wasn't nearly as good as now and certainly did not seem like an NBA guy at the time, how things have changed).

[fullmetal]

Duke is getting great mismatches on Kaminsky, but not taking advantage of it. Keep up the switches, but take advantage of it.

Has Frank ever been called for a foul in his career?

[Nyfancam01]

foul foul foul foul foul foul.... i dare the refs to let them play

[whodatbeastly16]

Yea, we still do some pickup games over the summer and such. He went to Benet though for high school, and I stayed at Lisle High School. Played against Anthony Davis when I was in hs too when he was at Perspectives (Wasn't nearly as good as now and certainly did not seem like an NBA guy at the time, how things have changed).

That's pretty sweet, I have a couple friends who met AD. You were any good in hs?

And if people start complaining about the refs calling the game for Duke, it's such a tired argument.

[Nyfancam01]

my god -_-

would have been nice if they could've been put away when down by 9

[Nyfancam01]

late in the game... coming down to the wire...

refs call an obvious CHARGE a block.... here it comes

[whodatbeastly16]

Love it how no matter what Duke does people will blame ref calls

[Nyfancam01]

and then they call that a charge.....haha why do they make it so obvious??? i'd say 90% of these final calls will go for duke.

pathetic.

[trixstar]

Nobody sells a foul like Tyus Jones

[here2fu]

Okafor cant even get on the court with all the fouls they keep callng but its all for Duke. Ok.

[OKCThunder35]

Tyus Jones went to high school 10 minutes away from where i live, i train with the same 1 on 1 trainer he did. Im all for Wisconsin but i love seeing my boy Tyus succeed

[Nyfancam01]

but if/when the end of this game comes down to a block/charge/no call...

it will 100% go in favor of duke. so sick

[fullmetal]

Love it how no matter what Duke does people will blame ref calls

They only see what they want to see. Sport fanatics rival religious fanatics in the prejudice they bring to the table.

[whodatbeastly16]

There is the charge rule for anyone complaining.

Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul.

Secondary defenders (help defenders) moving forward or to the side are also in violation and those should be blocking fouls.

Contact that is “through the chest” is not de facto proof of a charge. The rule in its entirety must be considered before determining a foul.

In some cases, it appears a defender is being rewarded solely for being outside the arc, without considering the other aspects of the rules.

[JerseyCP3]

and then they call that a charge.....haha why do they make it so obvious??? i'd say 90% of these final calls will go for duke.

pathetic.



Cause it wasn't a charge? Frank should have 3 fouls and a couple travels.

[jj2]

There's always at least one person who will ruin a thread like this with countless posts about the refs favoring one team. Always.

[whodatbeastly16]

Cause it wasn't a charge? Frank should have 3 fouls and a couple travels.
What im saying. Like Dule to win mostly because Coach K is just a stand up guy and has been for his time at Duke. Although Wisconsin is like able as well. I don't understand why people hate on Duke for no reason

[JerseyCP3]

This Kid is ballin tonight!

[DalliLlama11]

That's pretty sweet, I have a couple friends who met AD. You were any good in hs?

And if people start complaining about the refs calling the game for Duke, it's such a tired argument.

I was alright, one of the captains of our team, but I didn't play in college or anything to that nature and our team wasn't very good haha.

[whodatbeastly16]

I was alright, one of the captains of our team, but I didn't play in college or anything to that nature and our team wasn't very good haha.
That's pretty cool though. Hoping to make that varsity team next year :flex::)!:eatit:

[JerseyCP3]

What im saying. Like Dule to win mostly because Coach K is just a stand up guy and has been for his time at Duke. Although Wisconsin is like able as well. I don't understand why people hate on Duke for no reason


People hate winners. Coach K is one of if not the greatest coach in College Basketball. He aint no slouch. This is one hellava game we watching. But to say it all favors Duke cause of refs is what's really pathetic.

[whodatbeastly16]

Yeah this is great basketball all around right here. Grayson Allen is just on another level.

[trixstar]

Grayson Allen looks like the kid who gets his shoes stolen on the regular.

[fullmetal]

Holy cow. He does commit fouls.

Nice play by Okafor on both ends of the court.

[whodatbeastly16]

Grayson Allen looks like the kid who gets his shoes stolen on the regular.

White Men Can't Jump. :D. Anyone remember that movie?

[whodatbeastly16]

Oka for showing up at the right time!

[trixstar]

Wisci is choking, Dukes got this in the bag

[jeg2315]

Grayson Allen looks like that butch girl from Arrow.

[JerseyCP3]

Wisci is choking, Dukes got this in the bag

Dukes had this since 10 min mark of this half. D had been on point.

[whodatbeastly16]

Incoming complaining about refs

[JerseyCP3]

That's a missed call though. Even reviewed it.

[crazy4kinsler]

I hate Duke too. I think Duke it a love or hate program.

That being said, they're about to back their way to another title. Ain't heard of them all year. Beat all 7 and lower seeds in the tournament (except Gonzaga, which played all double digit seeds but one) and then win 1 key game to earn a title.

These guys are crazy. Okafor is the best player on Duke's team. He's going to the MVP.

[fullmetal]

There goes my Duke 65-63 prediction.

[bballcollector]

Tyus!! Huge 2nd half from him.

[jewcer2k5]

What a great game so far.

[whodatbeastly16]

There goes my Duke 65-63 prediction.

Close close though. Too bad I had Kentucky winning in all of my brackets. Had Villanova and Kentucky in my main one

[wheeler281]

And there is the makeup no foul call on the run out

[DalliLlama11]

That's a missed call though. Even reviewed it.

Not to mention literally the play right before winslow stepped out and it led to 2 from Duke. Calls go both ways all game, its a matter of when those calls are made and those are two huge calls, one in game flow (more understandable) and 1 in replay that led to a potential 4-9 points swing.

[fullmetal]

And there is the makeup no foul call on the run out

I don't know how anyone can call the refs biased in Duke's favor after witnessing that no-call on the layup.

Should have run clock instead of attacking the basket.

[wheeler281]

^^ Agreed

Okafors fresh legs when he was in was evident

[whodatbeastly16]

Free throws win games.

[JerseyCP3]

Not to mention literally the play right before winslow stepped out and it led to 2 from Duke. Calls go both ways all game, its a matter of when those calls are made and those are two huge calls, one in game flow (more understandable) and 1 in replay that led to a potential 4-9 points swing.

Couldn't agree more.

[crazy4kinsler]

Tyrus Jones is sealing it with these 2 FTs. I hate that too. How in the world can WU defeat KU, but not Duke?

Makes me so mad that Duke was given a cake walk.

[trixstar]

Incoming complaining about refs

Yea what's to complain about, has nothing to do with it being Duke. The refs have been atrocious this entire tournament

https://vine.co/v/eB7n3XpuBB1

[whodatbeastly16]

Tyrus Jones is sealing it with these 2 FTs. I hate that too. How in the world can WU defeat KU, but not Duke, which has the same makeup. Just doesn't make sense.
That's the great thing about sports. Guys show up who you never though would. Grayson Allen of all people shows up

[fullmetal]

Tyrus Jones is sealing it with these 2 FTs. I hate that too. How in the world can WU defeat KU, but not Duke, which has the same makeup. Just doesn't make sense.

Duke has a a superior defense.

[whodatbeastly16]

Yea what's to complain about

https://vine.co/v/eB7n3XpuBB1

Of course there is something to complain about. There is something to complain about every play. Same in the NFL. Same in the NBA.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIES

[JerseyCP3]

Duke! Great game by both teams tho.

[whodatbeastly16]

No one thought they could do it

[crazy4kinsler]

Okafar will be MVP. He's unquestionably the best player on Duke's team. But he will be gone to the NBA next season. So what does he care. He's getting his millions.

[wheeler281]

Might be Coach K's sweetest championship. That team was green

[GoJays]

That's disappointing. Oh well, great game by Duke. Congrats on the victory!

[coltsnsox07]

D'oh! Forgot about Finland..

[chris43]

I find it extremely funny how some Wisconsin fans actually have the nerve to say the refs are being pro Duke and actually complaining about calls. But I guess the Badgers got sooo many Saturday night that they expected it again.....first and most likely the last time that these words will ever come from me.................GO BLUE DEVILS BABY!

[whodatbeastly16]

Free throws win games. Duke was +10

[whodatbeastly16]

Just realized all 3 Plumlees have won a championship

[Packer4Rob]

Congrats Duke fans, you guys earned it, great d the last 3 minutes, shut down our offense, got them out of sync. Great game. Thanks for a great season badgers!

[packman80]

Duke deserved it. They outplayed and out coached Wisconsin. Congrats Duke you earned it.

[here2fu]

Every second half point for Duke was scored by a freshman.

[SacGWYNN19]

refs made sure Duke would win this game. An absolute embarrassment to college basketball. Been happening all tournament and that 2nd half officiating was an absolute joke.

[jeg2315]

There goes a prime chance for the next great white hope I guess.

[DalliLlama11]

refs made sure Duke would win this game. An absolute embarrassment to college basketball. Been happening all tournament and that 2nd half officiating was an absolute joke.

There were tons of bad calls all over the place. There were probably more notable calls late in favor of Duke compared to Wisconsin, but thats not to say Wisconsin got more favorable calls early on. Gasser was invisible tonight, not sure if it was the eye or what but he was nowhere to be found. Dekker couldnt make a shot, and Frank wasnt nearly as aggressive as he should have been, those are several reason why Duke won.

[packman80]

refs made sure Duke would win this game. An absolute embarrassment to college basketball. Been happening all tournament and that 2nd half officiating was an absolute joke.

Refs played no part in it. UW shot the ball like crap last 10 mintues and played soft. Outplayed and out coached. Duke showed why they are an elite program and UW while they have good players don't have the elite players that make a difference and can take over a game.

[whodatbeastly16]

There were tons of bad calls all over the place. There were probably more notable calls late in favor of Duke compared to Wisconsin, but thats not to say Wisconsin got more favorable calls early on. Gasser was invisible tonight, not sure if it was the eye or what but he was nowhere to be found. Dekker couldnt make a shot, and Frank wasnt nearly as aggressive as he should have been, those are several reason why Duke won.

True. Wisconsin was off. Another question, do you think Kentucky would've beaten Duke?

[Packer4Rob]

There were tons of bad calls all over the place. There were probably more notable calls late in favor of Duke compared to Wisconsin, but thats not to say Wisconsin got more favorable calls early on. Gasser was invisible tonight, not sure if it was the eye or what but he was nowhere to be found. Dekker couldnt make a shot, and Frank wasnt nearly as aggressive as he should have been, those are several reason why Duke won.

i have to agree with all of your points, refs were bad but hardly decided the game. Dukes d late in the 2nd hafl and Grayson Allen turned it around with his attacking, the kid was amazing. Hate to see bad calls anytime, but wasnt the deciding factor.

[big4mi2ke0]

True. Wisconsin was off. Another question, do you think Kentucky would've beaten Duke?

if they came out like they did against Wisconsin, no. If they came out like they did the other 38 games, I would have to say yes.

[LeonfromNC]

I wonder how that duke player (Sulaimon) who got kicked off the team halfway through the season is feeling right now?

[DalliLlama11]

True. Wisconsin was off. Another question, do you think Kentucky would've beaten Duke?
I do think Kentucky would've won. I think had Kentucky played Wisconsin 10 times, they probably win 8/10 times. All it takes is one game though. I think if this was a series Wisconsin would win vs Duke too, they just didn't play well with the exception of Nigel Hayes and Frank in spurts, they didn't play as well as a team as they had been the last 2 months. The role guys on Wisconsin didn't show up, while the ones on Duke played amazing, part of that is coaching, part of that is talent, etc. Great game to watch, I'd obviously enjoy a friend winning the title, but can't be upset with a great game.

[packman80]

Oh well UW gave it there all in their last best chance to win it all. Back to Sweet 16 and round of 32 loses.

[whodatbeastly16]

I do think Kentucky would've won. I think had Kentucky played Wisconsin 10 times, they probably win 8/10 times. All it takes is one game though. I think if this was a series Wisconsin would win vs Duke too, they just didn't play well with the exception of Nigel Hayes and Frank in spurts, they didn't play as well as a team as they had been the last 2 months. The role guys on Wisconsin didn't show up, while the ones on Duke played amazing, part of that is coaching, part of that is talent, etc. Great game to watch, I'd obviously enjoy a friend winning the title, but can't be upset with a great game.

Yeah. Frank the Tank is an amazing player to watch. Awesome to see two teams with class play in a championship. Kentucky showed its true colors when it lost, although I think under the same circumstance many would act the same as the Kentucky players did

[killaskrilla]

refs made sure Duke would win this game. An absolute embarrassment to college basketball. Been happening all tournament and that 2nd half officiating was an absolute joke.

There were calls against/for both teams that were questionable, and none-calls that could have gone either way as well.

Wisconsin lost because they played worse, not because of the refs.

[dherm360]

would like to see what the outcome would have been if the refs called the foot on line-duke hits a three, then next possession ball off finger Duke hits three.

Wisconsin played one of their worst games in a month, Dekker is insane if he thinks he is NBA ready--Treavon was once again TERRIBLE

Congrats to Duke and the two Freshman who stepped up and destroyed Bronson

[fullmetal]

Duke 65-63 (my bracket has Duke 65 - Kentucky 63)

I erred. I thought I picked 65, but did 68. I picked the score exactly, but had Kentucky as the loser. I'm not a gambler, just a freebie online bracket on ESPN. Best prediction ever. Too bad Iowa State destroyed my bracket early.



http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/mayo_mr/Forum%20Use/1_zpsqhtacuja.jpg

[OKCThunder35]

My boy Tyus showed everyone who's boss

I'm heartbroken the Badgers lost though.

[whodatbeastly16]

I erred. I thought I picked 65, but did 68. I picked the score exactly, but had Kentucky as the loser. I'm not a gambler, just a freebie online bracket on ESPN. Best prediction ever. Too bad Iowa State destroyed my bracket early.



http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/mayo_mr/Forum%20Use/1_zpsqhtacuja.jpg

That's sick. And im pretty sure Iowa state messed most of us up

[blastman]

That was easy money.....

[crazy4kinsler]

I hate this for Frank. Kid stayed in school and passed up millions and then came up just short. Bunch of kids who will be one and done, then will jump at the chance of millions had to come out on top. Good guys don't always win.

[minnesotachill]

Sad thing is, all of these players are at the apex of their basketball careers tonight and reality will set in soon.

Okafor is probably the most overhyped prospect ever. I will pray every night from now until draft day that he doesn't end up a Timberwolf.

[crazy4kinsler]

For all you saying Duke didn't get all the calls....guess this proves otherwise. Doesn't surprise me in the least because it's Duke.

Free throws win games. Duke was +10

[whodatbeastly16]

For all you saying Duke didn't get all the calls....guess this proves otherwise. Doesn't surprise me in the least because it's Duke.
Hmm. Although Duke did shoot more free throws, Duke shot 80% and Wisconsin shot 60%. Tell me that refs caused Wisconsin to miss those. Okafor and Winslow weren't able to play half the game because they were in foul trouble. Tell me that Kaminsky or Dekker or Gossler couldn't have played better to make up for the bad refs in your opinion.

[wheeler281]

For all you saying Duke didn't get all the calls....guess this proves otherwise. Doesn't surprise me in the least because it's Duke.

Lol that means nothing.

BTW I am pretty sure Wisconsin was plus 12 vs Kentucky.DOH

[Blue_Devil]

Happy Happy Happy
And to those who mentioned it, Yeah I think KY. woulda spanked our hind parts tonight the way we played. Regardless...
#5!!!!

[whodatbeastly16]

Wow, even Bo Ryan complained about refs. To be expected, I guess. Kind of lost a little respect for Bo Ryan now. And why does amile Jefferson look like a fish

[mcsyankees]

http://i.gyazo.com/50e06b713f48e83f553be3f2d477d93a.png

Obviously bitter but 6 points were scored off of these plays and should not have been.

And for those saying Frank didn't play well... not sure what game you guys were watching but he was the main reason we were up until the end.

[Nyfancam01]

^^^ thank you!!! obviously GARBAGE Calls in the end. KNEW it would happen

[wheeler281]

Don't forget the run out by Duke where Jones was mugged and no call.

[JerseyCP3]

^^^ thank you!!! obviously GARBAGE Calls in the end. KNEW it would happen

Two plays don't change the outcome. Wisconsin didn't score a basket for over 5 min. Have to give credit to Duke's D. Badgers looked to have it up until 10 min left. That's when Duke D took over. Both were grinding it out, one of the best championship games Iv watched Duke play.

[chris43]

I hate this for Frank. Kid stayed in school and passed up millions and then came up just short. Bunch of kids who will be one and done, then will jump at the chance of millions had to come out on top. Good guys don't always win.

Good guys don't always win? So.......Jones and Okafur (other Duke players) aren't "good guys/kids" just because they are extremely talented and will most likely go to the NBA after one season?

[UltimateDeron]

Two plays don't change the outcome. Wisconsin didn't score a basket for over 5 min. Have to give credit to Duke's D. Badgers looked to have it up until 10 min left. That's when Duke D took over. Both were grinding it out, one of the best championship games Iv watched Duke play.

You're crazy if you don't think those 2 plays didn't change the outcome. They were the outcome.

[wheeler281]

^^^ thank you!!! obviously GARBAGE Calls in the end. KNEW it would happen

You are so predictable. When a team loses or a player stinks up the joint you root for or want to win it is some big conspiracy by the league or refs.

[wheeler281]

NM the echo chamber can carry on

[crazymj]

Since i lost a lot on Kentucky, i dislike Wisconsin so putting all my money on the Duke tonight.

Winner winner chicken dinner

[LincecumPC]

Dekker's magic left at the worst time. He looked really nervous on his perimeter shots. Kaminsky was great. I wouldn't mind if the Warriors picked him up in the draft but of course he won't last that long.

[pennywise]

http://i.gyazo.com/50e06b713f48e83f553be3f2d477d93a.png

Obviously bitter but 6 points were scored off of these plays and should not have been.

I have no investment in either one of these teams and these are my thoughts exactly. I am a completely neutral opinion on the matter. I live in Austin. Duke and Wisconsin might as well be Turkey and Romania. Trust me, there's no bias here. I am just a huge basketball fan that wanted to watch a great game and with that said, this was really disappointing.
Two plays don't change the outcome.
What planet do you live on? Every single play, especially crucial second-half plays, certainly change the outcome of a ball game. I've never read such a rubbish statement. Ever heard of "cause and effect" or is that concept lost on everyone that thinks Duke would have won the game no matter what?

[Twinsfan33]

Wow Bo Ryan being such a hypocrite. They bumpcheck and handcheck every game but when it's against them it's not right. Go cry me a river crybabybo. I thought you'd be more gracious about getting to the championship and having a chance to win. You were just outplayed...

[dherm360]

Wow Bo Ryan being such a hypocrite. They bumpcheck and handcheck every game but when it's against them it's not right. Go cry me a river crybabybo. I thought you'd be more gracious about getting to the championship and having a chance to win. You were just outplayed...

you have no clue

[Nyfancam01]

You are so predictable. When a team loses or a player stinks up the joint you root for or want to win it is some big conspiracy by the league or refs.

so i'm wrong then?? that PICTURE posted up there is fake right? ^^ :)!

have a great night bro

[Twinsfan33]

you have no clue

You sound like a butt hurt Badger fan who lost because they were outplayed tonight. The comments by Bo were clearly because he was mad. He doesn't know how to lose gracefully, he'll find someone or something to blame it on..

[dherm360]

And you are a Minnesota fan who never has a relevant team so you do what Minnesota fans do, you hate on the packers, badgers

[Twinsfan33]

And you are a Minnesota fan who never has a relevant team so you do what Minnesota fans do, you hate on the packers, badgers

Dude I know you're pissed your team lost, but you gotta admit Bo doesn't know how to lose gracefully. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out..

[RBKSNIPZ]

Garbage calls are buying me a new car so thank you #refs <3

[pennywise]

What's really unfortunate is that upon review of that tipped ball going out of bounds, the commentators unanimously agreed that the ball was out on Duke. The entire national TV audience and expert panel of commentators accepted that it would be Wisconsin ball. Then when we saw the officials give the ball to Duke after the review, the commentators instantly dropped the subject.:rolleyes: Did the officials see the same review that the rest of the nation saw?:confused:

Like I said before, I am 110% indifferent to both of these teams, but if I'm Wisconsin, I'm livid right now.

[SPauthentic84]

The Winslow off the finger was the only called that was reviewed. I honestly dont know how that wasnt overturned.

But...

If we are going to complain, Wisconsin shouldnt of been there with the shot clock violation where they counted the bucket vs Kentucky. It was Okafor/Winslow on the bench with 4 fouls and not Decker/Kaminsky. If people are saying Wisconsin got robbed, they actually got lucky even being there because Kentucky should have "won" based on your logic.

Go Duke...and Congrats to Wisconsin on a great season

[Panthersfans]

Congrats Duke fans, you guys earned it, great d the last 3 minutes, shut down our offense, got them out of sync. Great game. Thanks for a great season badgers!


Classiest post in the thread. I'm a Duke fan but your team was a heck of a team and should be commended on a great season.

[Junior Griffey]

As much as it pains me to agree with a Minnesota can, he's right. Bumping, grabbing and swatting are an integral part of BO Ryan's game plan, and have been for years. I especially love when his defenders run under jump shooters while they're in the air!

Dude I know you're pissed your team lost, but you gotta admit Bo doesn't know how to lose gracefully. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out..

[Boo]

Wow, get the tin foil hats out! We never landed on the moon! 9/11 was an inside job! Can a team ever lose and not have their fans look like sore losers?

[brett06]

Them two plays halted the momentum. But we didn't close out games like we have. We got careless late and the shot selection wasn't great. At this point, should Trevon be shooting 7 times??? It wasn't just him. Hats off to duke for not folding in on the 17-8 run. Fun game to watch, just difficult seeing a great group losing. Great ride, even better journey!

[Packer4Rob]

Them two plays halted the momentum. But we didn't close out games like we have. We got careless late and the shot selection wasn't great. At this point, should Trevon be shooting 7 times??? It wasn't just him. Hats off to duke for not folding in on the 17-8 run. Fun game to watch, just difficult seeing a great group losing. Great ride, even better journey!

I'm a bit disappointed in Bo for complaining about the way the game was called. It was a physical game, yes, but that's basketball. Were there bad calls, yes, both ways. Did they cost them the game, doubtful. No guarantee if they call the baseline out of bounds or the tipped ball out of bounds that the badgers would have scored. They got outplayed in the last 8 minutes of the game. Gasser was non-existent and Dekker shot poorly for the first time in awhile. Bo should have recognized that and pounded Kaminsky endlessly, they rarely stopped him.

Best quote of the night..."theyre calling him 50 shades of Grayson because he dominated the 2nd half"

[IronMonkey415]

Great nickname, that should be on a card next year.

[MasterPattie]

Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill tweets after the game, "Congrats to Duke, but I was rooting for team who had stars that are actually going to college & not just doing semester tryout for NBA."

Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill takes shot at Duke after title win (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/missouri-sen-claire-mccaskill-takes-shot-at-duke-after-title-win/ar-AAawu1y?ocid=mailsignout)

[Athey49]

Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill tweets after the game, "Congrats to Duke, but I was rooting for team who had stars that are actually going to college & not just doing semester tryout for NBA."

Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill takes shot at Duke after title win (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/missouri-sen-claire-mccaskill-takes-shot-at-duke-after-title-win/ar-AAawu1y?ocid=mailsignout)

Pretty stupid post from him. Missouri has a few players that enter the draft as soon as they're elgible. Few football players that will be drafted in the next month who left their junior year

[crazy4kinsler]

Love it. Kaminsky deserved the national title. The man skipped out on money to go back to school where he hoped to lead his TEAM to a win.

I hate the one-and-done rule. I think you should have to go 3 years like NFL or MLB players.

Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill tweets after the game, "Congrats to Duke, but I was rooting for team who had stars that are actually going to college & not just doing semester tryout for NBA."

Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill takes shot at Duke after title win (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/missouri-sen-claire-mccaskill-takes-shot-at-duke-after-title-win/ar-AAawu1y?ocid=mailsignout)

[Cervantes]

Love it. Kaminsky deserved the national title. The man skipped out on money to go back to school where he hoped to lead his TEAM to a win.

I hate the one-and-done rule. I think you should have to go 3 years like NFL or MLB players.

I think for the players, it would benefit their overall game to have a 2-3 year rule, but I personally don't think you should be able to stop the NBA, which is a business, from drafting (hiring) players (employees) that are of age to work.

I honestly don't think there would be as much backlash if it wasn't Duke, but that's to be expected, because, well...it's Duke. We lauded Kentucky, all year, for the teamwork, the selflessness, the great story that was Coach Cal's baby.

But, Duke. How dare they, right?

With the Missouri politician...as has been stated, look within your state and address players there, in your backyard. Also, you're a senator. You don't like it? Use your platform to address it, instead of taking shots at Duke.

Where were you the last few years, when we've praised Calipari for his coaching of one and done's?

Again...it's Duke. I must have missed all of the threads on here condemning Kentucky for the 'NBA Tryouts' they've been putting on all year.

[Cervantes]

I get the two plays that supposedly changed the outcome, but did those two plays have anything to do with Dekker's play? Gasser? Gasser had what, 0 pts? Why wouldn't that have a bigger impact on the game than just those two plays? Dekker had 12; I honestly would have bet closer to 20. He's been so big in big games, and he really did not look confident last night.

Maybe give credit to Tyus Jones, not only for the second half, and the big shots, but maybe for some defense? Maybe for stepping up when Quinn Cook wasn't his normal self last night?

Maybe give credit to a team that won with an 8 man rotation, and their best player and only true big on the bench, finishing with 10 points?

I couldn't believe Bo Ryan after the game, either. What a complete and utter moron. Honestly. I respect him and his coaching, and his team is a fun team to watch and could have won, but unfortunately didn't.

How bitter he sounded. Seriously. The refs? The fouls? Your defense, or I guess the way you coach your players to play defense, is a lesson on physical, with hand checking, and you pride yourself on it. Great. Now it's not so good, I guess.

The whole ''rent a player'' line by him, and trying to put down the team for having 1 and done's...I must have missed your disdain for the practice of recruiting players like that after you BEAT Kentucky. That was a great platform, if you wished to address it, as you had just conquered the big, bad, NBA orientation school that is Kentucky...but you didn't.

Sounds like sour grapes.

Also...maybe the one and done's don't want you, Bo. I seriously doubt, and the Badger fans can get mad and pound their keyboards, but if Okafor, Jones, and Winslow had wanted to play for Wisconsin, and they had 3 available scholarships, I think he probably takes him. With open arms. A kiss on the cheek.

And a 'thank you' to God.

Come on, Bo; don't be a poor sport. It's not good for recruiting, either.

[whodatbeastly16]

I love it how supposedly the refs caused Duke to win. Especially when Grayson Allen shows up and scores 18 I think. No, two calls do not determine who wins the game. Wisconsin could've played better defense. They could've had better shot selection. I'll never forget im 2013 Saints vs. Patriots. Brady throws a game winning TD against us. Our defensive end was obviously held coming around the edge. If he hadn't been held by his jersey he would've sacked Brady and it would've been game over. Did I complain about the call for a while? Yes. But eventually I realized that there were other things the Saints could've done to win. Our cornerbacks could've had better coverage on the receiver. We should've scored the drive before. Now did Sean Payton complain about refs, no. Did a lot of Saints fans complain about refs, yes. Was there not multiple times im the game where Kaminsky hacked a player going for a rebound? What about the full court pass at the end of the game where Tyus Jones was obviously fouled? That could've changed the game if Wisconsin had scored, but guess what, they didn't. They had chances to come back but they didn't. Whose fault is it for them missing their threes in the last minute? The refs?

[irfuji]

The funny thing is in a year or two this may all be moot.

If Emmanuel Mudiay gets drafted and does even somewhat as well as expected (when compared to similar talent levels that get drafted out of college) the one and done era will be finished.

Regardless of the reasons, kid still made $1.2M for ONE YEAR of ball in China.

If he shows enough development and has enough success after he gets drafted, most of these one and dones will go to Europe or China and get PAID.

[burke23]

Love it. Kaminsky deserved the national title. The man skipped out on money to go back to school where he hoped to lead his TEAM to a win.

I hate the one-and-done rule. I think you should have to go 3 years like NFL or MLB players.

Kaminsky deserves it for going back to school to win? So if Kentucky had won, would you say the same about the Harrison's?

The one and done rule really just protects nba gm's from themselves. If a player has the ability to play with the big boys at 18/19 years old, no reason he shouldn't be able to. Problem is too many think they can, and they flame out because they go to the nba too early. Forcing a player to go to school for 3-4 years is stupid. If they were actors or musicians and not athletes, no one would say a thing about them being a paid professional at that age.

[DalliLlama11]

And for those saying Frank didn't play well... not sure what game you guys were watching but he was the main reason we were up until the end.


I said Frank played well in spurts. And that means more than just him scoring, he had a good box-score game of what 22 and 11? If he took the 10+ open shots he had (yes some were perimeter shots etc) he could have dropped 35+. Those are shots he takes most of the time, but for whatever reason when he got Okafor jumping out of his shoes and wide open shots, he wasn't as aggressive. His first shot of the game was a 3pter and I believe his last was, so its not like he was shooting bad or missing a lot of long range shots to deter his confidence. Especially in a situation where the only other offensive weapon doing anything was Nigel, he should have taken those shots. Gasser was invisible, maybe it was the eye maybe it wasnt, Dekker is always a streaky shooter and his shot wore off last night. In those instances, Frank usually, and should have seen he has to take those shots instead of passing the ball. On that last Koenig shot, Frank was upset because he didn't get the ball, where was that the rest of the game? If he demanded the ball like he did there (he didn't get it obviously) then he would have been able to do more and the outcome may be different. There are so many variables that you can't just pinpoint one, but Frank definitely could have been more aggressive.

Edit: And this is coming from someone who played with him and really wanted him to win. He played well by normal standards, but he did not play like Frank the Tank, and a knock on him has and probably will be that he is not aggressive enough. He is too good, especially at the college level, to not be taking the big shots and being more assertive. And I know its the "Bo Ryan" way, but I am pretty sure Bo wants his best guy taking majority of the shots, over Jackson, Koenig, Dekker etc.

[IndySportsCards]

Refs to CBS after that non-reversal: "They just couldn't see anything." What a quote for the ages.

[wheeler281]

I love it how supposedly the refs caused Duke to win. Especially when Grayson Allen shows up and scores 18 I think. No, two calls do not determine who wins the game. Wisconsin could've played better defense. They could've had better shot selection. I'll never forget im 2013 Saints vs. Patriots. Brady throws a game winning TD against us. Our defensive end was obviously held coming around the edge. If he hadn't been held by his jersey he would've sacked Brady and it would've been game over. Did I complain about the call for a while? Yes. But eventually I realized that there were other things the Saints could've done to win. Our cornerbacks could've had better coverage on the receiver. We should've scored the drive before. Now did Sean Payton complain about refs, no. Did a lot of Saints fans complain about refs, yes. Was there not multiple times im the game where Kaminsky hacked a player going for a rebound? What about the full court pass at the end of the game where Tyus Jones was obviously fouled? That could've changed the game if Wisconsin had scored, but guess what, they didn't. They had chances to come back but they didn't. Whose fault is it for them missing their threes in the last minute? The refs?

Selective memory is all. Seems like every big game people have the same bitch regardless of sports. Thats the beauty of it.

[dherm360]

Kaminsky deserves it for going back to school to win? So if Kentucky had won, would you say the same about the Harrison's?

The one and done rule really just protects nba gm's from themselves. If a player has the ability to play with the big boys at 18/19 years old, no reason he shouldn't be able to. Problem is too many think they can, and they flame out because they go to the nba too early. Forcing a player to go to school for 3-4 years is stupid. If they were actors or musicians and not athletes, no one would say a thing about them being a paid professional at that age.

The Harrisons wont even get drafted in the first round, bad decision on their part--I heard on more than one national show that Cal probably wants them gone so he is not discouraging them, in fact he is saying they are first round talent

[burke23]

The Harrisons wont even get drafted in the first round, bad decision on their part--I heard on more than one national show that Cal probably wants them gone so he is not discouraging them, in fact he is saying they are first round talent

Oh, I won't disagree there at all that they shouldn't try to go pro now - but last year at this time it was a strong chance they would have gone pro vs return. Was just trying to find another example of players who returned this past season hoping for a title - they stuck out.

[JerseyCP3]

You're crazy if you don't think those 2 plays didn't change the outcome. They were the outcome.

I have no investment in either one of these teams and these are my thoughts exactly. I am a completely neutral opinion on the matter. I live in Austin. Duke and Wisconsin might as well be Turkey and Romania. Trust me, there's no bias here. I am just a huge basketball fan that wanted to watch a great game and with that said, this was really disappointing.

What planet do you live on? Every single play, especially crucial second-half plays, certainly change the outcome of a ball game. I've never read such a rubbish statement. Ever heard of "cause and effect" or is that concept lost on everyone that thinks Duke would have won the game no matter what?



I actually thought Duke would win because of the D. Not seeing it in the first half I grew a concern that Wis actaully could pull it off. Can you tell me how Wisconsin only had I believe a hand full of fouls in the first half? Did you know Winslow and Okafor played less min because of foul trouble? Didn't Wis not make a shot for about 5 min? Wis had plenty of chances to take this game. They simply ran outta gas the last few min. I agreed that Winslow tipped it out in a post as well previously. But calling those two plays that cause the out come is I'm sorry "rubbish".

Yes Im a Duke fan, but I'm also a basketball fan and have nothing but respect for the NCAA teams. These guys work hard all year to get to the tourney and its a pleasure to watch great games like this.

[JerseyCP3]

Refs to CBS after that non-reversal: "They just couldn't see anything." What a quote for the ages.

That has to be looked at. If TV replay showed it they should have seen that as well. Still don't change the outcome.

[MC80_LCM]

Refs to CBS after that non-reversal: "They just couldn't see anything." What a quote for the ages.

You know what, I have no problem with them saying that. I honestly can't stand it when refs come out after games and admit that they blew important calls. Have some balls and stand behind the call you made.

[BennyA]

I rarely watch college basketball and haven't watched Wisconsin all season but I couldn't understand what that guard Koenig was doing out there for the entire game. It was painful for me to watch: dribble between the legs...two step fake drive...dribble back out...dribble between the legs...dribble between the legs...two step fake drive...dribble back out...dribble between the legs...pass to the wing player...stand around and wait to dribble some more.

He'd kill a lot of the shot clock doing this and never get himself any closer to the basket. I haven't looked at his stats or anything so he may actually be a great player, but man he was wearing me out last night dribbling a lot and never going anywhere.

[IronMonkey415]

It was like the mob had a hand in the game and they were point shaving.

[RedSoxFan28]

"On the controversial out-of-bounds play late in the NCAA title game, the NCAA supervisor of officials said the refs lacked the same replay angles as TV viewers"
How and why can't the refs have the same replay angles? You would think they would have the opportunity to see the same angles, if not more.

[pennywise]

"On the controversial out-of-bounds play late in the NCAA title game, the NCAA supervisor of officials said the refs lacked the same replay angles as TV viewers"
How and why can't the refs have the same replay angles? You would think they would have the opportunity to see the same angles, if not more.
I heard this too on sports radio driving home from work. Absolutely unbelievable that this kind of thing can happen in ANY game, let alone the National Championship.

[bustsomewax]

I thought Bo Ryan and his players sounded like total cry babies after the game. Show some accountability and respect. A couple calls didn't make or break this game.

Allowing Grayson to go off, not feeding Kaminsky when Okafor was on the bench, and an attrocious shooting performance by Decker is why you lost.

[pennywise]

I actually thought Duke would win because of the D. Not seeing it in the first half I grew a concern that Wis actaully could pull it off. Can you tell me how Wisconsin only had I believe a hand full of fouls in the first half? Did you know Winslow and Okafor played less min because of foul trouble? Didn't Wis not make a shot for about 5 min? Wis had plenty of chances to take this game. They simply ran outta gas the last few min. I agreed that Winslow tipped it out in a post as well previously. But calling those two plays that cause the out come is I'm sorry "rubbish".

Yes Im a Duke fan, but I'm also a basketball fan and have nothing but respect for the NCAA teams. These guys work hard all year to get to the tourney and its a pleasure to watch great games like this.
Maybe I gave the wrong impression in my comments. I'm not saying those non-calls decided the game, nor am I implying that Wisconsin should have won the game! I'm merely saying that the non-calls changed the game. The tip out of bounds happened at an extremely crucial point in time. If the ball had instead been tipped out by Wisconsin and the refs missed it and gave possesion to Wisconsin, I would be equally blown away. The NCAA has already come out and said that the officials "lacked the same replay angles as TV viewers". I mean, seriously. If you're a Duke fan, you obviously don't have a problem with this. If you're a basketball fan or even a casual sports fan, YOU SHOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. It's unacceptable and it makes the officiating look like more of a joke than we already knew it was.