Predict 2016 HOF

[hazenuts]

Who do you think will get have a good shot of getting in 2016 HOF selection? and who would you like to see get in?

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[Hollywood42]

Kris Bryant

[Nyfancam01]

Smh at the best player ever struggling to get in

[hazenuts]

Smh at the best player ever struggling to get in

Nomar Garciaparra?!

[Thommy]

Piazza, Griffey, and Hoffman. Wagner gets close.

[dbackschamp2001]

Griffey and Piazza

[dbackschamp2001]

Dang tablet

[PejaD]

Griffey Jr definitely. Piazza probably. Bagwell might be close.

[hazenuts]

anyone think Bonds might have a chance?

[Thommy]

You guys really don't the Hoffman makes it? 2nd greatest ever IMO.

[COEFOR]

Griffey and Piazza will get in. I think Schilling, Bagwell, and Hoffman will get in eventually from that list. The one guy I would like to see in would be Jeff Kent, the greatest hitting modern second baseman.

[88horsepower]

Ken Griffey Jr. is a shoe-in. I think Rock Raines finally gets in, but I might be hoping for too much. Piazza should get in along with Hoffman. I'd love to see McGriff and Bagwell get in along with Kent and Edgar but I just don't see it.

[Thommy]

anyone think Bonds might have a chance?

Nah, he'll eventually make it (either veterans or a hall of famer like Griffey, P-Mart, or Chipper (or someone like that) will admit to juicing).

[Thommy]

Griffey and Piazza will get in. I think Schilling, Bagwell, and Hoffman will get in eventually from that list. The one guy I would like to see in would be Jeff Kent, the greatest hitting modern second baseman.

Jackie says hi

[Crazybella8]

There is only one name that sticks out to me as a no brainer and that is Ken Griffey! I would like to also see Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, and Piazza and Sosa. I feel they deserve it.

[Thommy]

There is only one name that sticks out to me as a no brainer and that is Ken Griffey! I would like to also see Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, and Piazza. I feel they deserve it.

Why would Bonds, McGwire, and Clemens deserve it but not Sosa

[Crazybella8]

Nah, he'll eventually make it (either veterans or a hall of famer like Griffey, P-Mart, or Chipper (or someone like that) will admit to juicing).

That's an interesting take on the steroid issue. So if a player who is already in the HOF admits to have using steroids will that open the door for the rest of the users that are being kept out? Interesting!

[Crazybella8]

Why would Bonds, McGwire, and Clemens deserve it but not Sosa

And Sosa! Sorry missed his name on the list!

[COEFOR]

Jackie says hi

Oh, I meant post 50s. Guess I should have specified what is modern.

[Thommy]

That's an interesting take on the steroid issue. So if a player who is already in the HOF admits to have using steroids will that open the door for the rest of the users that are being kept out? Interesting!
Yeah, well I mean, they won't kick him out, and then the clean HOF is tainted. The issue is then what about guys who have already lost eligibility like Palmeiro.
And Sosa! Sorry missed his name on the list!
I gotcha, I just don't get why 37% of people voted for Bonds but only 6% for Sosa. If steroids don't matter, Sosa is objectively a hall of famer.
Oh, I meant post 50s. Guess I should have specified what is modern.
I gotcha, I'd still take Carew or Cano because of the eras, but I see where you're coming from.

[hazenuts]

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[edgeusaf1]

I think Griffey Jr, Piazza, and Bags

[bwalter1]

Jackie says hi

Jackie was very important but not the greatest 2nd baseman.

[Thommy]

Jackie was very important but not the greatest 2nd baseman.

Since 1940 I certainly think so. Highest OBP, top 5 in SLG (only ones above him played in the last 20 years (steroid era or have yet to reach decline years), great defender, great speed, and didn't have the opportunity to play in the bigs until the end of his glory years.

[lindeman79]

I SMH almost everytime you post. So just stop

Smh at the best player ever struggling to get in

[fulltritty]

Piazza and Griffey with Bagwell just making it. Raines misses but gets in 2017 along with Hoffman.

[speedyjg13]

Bonds, griffey, pizza, bagwell

[bigaust001]

Fun fact: Three of my PC guys are on this list...

Kendall, Wagner, Mussina.

[IamRalpho]

No way Hoffman makes it next year

Griffey is a slam dunk, Piazza is probably in.

That might be it

[chippv]

Griffey, Maybe piazza Barry Bonds

[marl1220]

Griff, Piazza, Bagwell, Hoffman

[nera20]

Griffey and Piazza that's probably it

Bagwell and outside chance

[armyatc22]

Fun fact: Three of my PC guys are on this list...

Kendall, Wagner, Mussina.

Not according to your signature

Lol ;)

[pcfriarmet]

Griffey, Piazza (as a Met :D) Bagwell, and Raines.

[armyatc22]

Griffey and Piazza

And due to the rest of the list I think Bonds gets in

[ThePumaLives]

Griffey and Bagwell get in with Piazza, Hoffman, Mussina, and Wagner coming close (and all eventually getting in)

[wwejhardyrox]

Griffey and Piazza should make it. I'd love to see Raines get in as he deserves it but I don't see that kind of a jump in % for him unfortuantely.

[bajcards4215]

I think Griffey Jr., Piazza, and Bagwell get in. Hoping to see Raines break through as well.

[chfu3030]

Griffey, Piazza, Bagwell and Hoffman 50/50.

[jstasyk1121]

i think there is no way any closer gets in before Rivera...Hoffman should but he wont...they will need to let Rivera in 1st then others can follow...

[grandmasterPRA]

Yeah, well I mean, they won't kick him out, and then the clean HOF is tainted. The issue is then what about guys who have already lost eligibility like Palmeiro.

I gotcha, I just don't get why 37% of people voted for Bonds but only 6% for Sosa. If steroids don't matter, Sosa is objectively a hall of famer.

I gotcha, I'd still take Carew or Cano because of the eras, but I see where you're coming from.

Bonds has way more votes than Sosa because he is a ten times better baseball player than Sosa. People get way too caught up in the home runs. Take away the home runs/steroids and what did Sosa do great? Nothing. Take Away Bonds Home Runs/Steroids and he still has several MVP's (Before he started juicing), over 500 stolen bases, .299 career average and 8 gold glove awards. Sosa and McGwire are borderline HOFers to me because without steroids they literally did nothing. Bonds has an overall much more impressive resume.

[grandmasterPRA]

My Question is...What exactly makes Mike Pizza get that many more votes than Larry Walker? To me, Larry Walker was a better baseball player than Piazza, yet Walker isn't even being considered. Neither is Jeff Kent, who doesn't get enough love

[centereacan06]

My Question is...What exactly makes Mike Pizza get that many more votes than Larry Walker? To me, Larry Walker was a better baseball player than Piazza, yet Walker isn't even being considered. Neither is Jeff Kent, who doesn't get enough love

I'm not discrediting Walker, but you also have to take their position into account. Walker was good, but Piazza was one of the greatest hitting catchers in baseball history.

[grandmasterPRA]

Not to spam this board lol, but If I were to choose 5 they would be:

1. Bonds
2. Clemens
3. Griffey
4. Mussina
5. Either Schilling or Bagwell

I personally don't believe in keeping Steroid users out. It was the MLB's fault that it happened so they should suck it up. Plus, do we REALLY know that people like Bagwell, Piazza, Pujols, Miggy have never taken anything in their career? We could be putting a bunch of steroid users in the hall already and not even realizing it. I say just take your medicine and put them in. Everyone knows the story behind them, that is punishment enough.

[phreak23]

Slammin Sammy PLEASE!

I know he isn't going to get much love, but man do I miss that guy!! Wish he was still part of the Cubs organization. :(

[rats60]

Griffey and Piazza. Bagwell, Raines and Schilling gain votes and get elected eventually (Raines in 17). Bonds and Clemens lose votes and will never be elected. Hoffman has a long wait.

[rats60]

My Question is...What exactly makes Mike Pizza get that many more votes than Larry Walker? To me, Larry Walker was a better baseball player than Piazza, yet Walker isn't even being considered. Neither is Jeff Kent, who doesn't get enough love

Walker doesn't get love because of the Coors field factor. I find it interesting because people ignore the Fulton County Stadium factor when discussing Aaron, but any Rockies are immediately dismissed.

[thenwhatjk]

Grifey, piazza, grudzelanek

[Enryon]

Piazza and Griffey for sure. Raines and Bagwell have an outside shot for this year, but should get the nod in 17. Schilling will gain votes, but need to wait for another year or two.

I feel that Raines was left off quite a few ballots last year due to a glut of outstanding players. After last years election, that should have trimmed off quite a bit of that glut.

[grandmasterPRA]

I'm not discrediting Walker, but you also have to take their position into account. Walker was good, but Piazza was one of the greatest hitting catchers in baseball history.

See....I'm not a fan of taking the position into account. Just because Piazza just so happened to play a position that people don't normally hit well in doesn't make them a hall of famer. It would be one thing if he was a great defensive player at that position, but he wasn't. So basically if he was a first baseman, he wouldn't be a hall of famer, but because he just so happened to play catcher, that makes him an all time great. That's where some stats and accomplishments just seem so useless to me.

[bedot]

Idk about the guys who are not on for the first time, but only Griffey should get in from those eligible for the first time.

[Metsfan1121]

See....I'm not a fan of taking the position into account. Just because Piazza just so happened to play a position that people don't normally hit well in doesn't make them a hall of famer. It would be one thing if he was a great defensive player at that position, but he wasn't. So basically if he was a first baseman, he wouldn't be a hall of famer, but because he just so happened to play catcher, that makes him an all time great. That's where some stats and accomplishments just seem so useless to me.

He happened to play catcher because he was talented enough to do so. There's a large reason why aside from pitchers, catchers are significantly worse hitters than all other positions. It's the toughest spot to play, and few good hitters are able to do it. There are 60 players with a career OPS over .900 - and only one is a catcher... Piazza

[PhillyPCs62]

Besides Griffey which is obvious I'd like to see Tim raines and piazza get in along with bagwell. Edmonds is being over looked because of his surprisingly decent stats but I don't think he should be in. Eventually Hoffman will get there just not 1st ballot

[jstasyk1121]

See....I'm not a fan of taking the position into account. Just because Piazza just so happened to play a position that people don't normally hit well in doesn't make them a hall of famer. It would be one thing if he was a great defensive player at that position, but he wasn't. So basically if he was a first baseman, he wouldn't be a hall of famer, but because he just so happened to play catcher, that makes him an all time great. That's where some stats and accomplishments just seem so useless to me.

but while he was able to be the catcher the teams he played on could then still employ a power hitting 1b...so you had piazza/1b combo instead of c/piazza combo...him being a C was a massive boost to any lineup since catcher is for most part a weak hitting spot...

[hazenuts]

Raines was probably the second greatest leadoff hitter ever after Ricky, he should be in

[silverandblack]

Its funny to me when i see people voting for bagwell and piazza but saying clemens and bonds shouldnt get in. Its long been speculated that piazza juiced and bagwell looks like he used as well.

Griffey is a lock and i think raines gets in also

[SportsAutoFreak]

Griffey will get at least 95%. There's a good chance for Piazza. I hope they elect Bill Dahlen, too.

[Nyfancam01]

Griffey will get at least 95%. There's a good chance for Piazza. I hope they elect Bill Dahlen, too.

Griffey Jr should get 98%- 100%

he is one of the greatest of all time... Imagine his career without injuries =/

[SDcardguy24]

idk I love Hoffman but I feel like he will have to wait and get in with or after Rivera does.

[jstasyk1121]

Griffey Jr should get 98%- 100%

he is one of the greatest of all time... Imagine his career without injuries =/

the way the voters vote nowadays ...it will be tough for anyone to get 98%+...i know this past year a few writers came out and said "i didnt vote for Unit/Pedro cuz i know they were gonna get in so i used my votes on guys who needed it more"....

this is why the 10 man ballot limit is absolutely awful!!!

[death2redemptions]

Griffey & Piazza will be the only two to make it.

[death2redemptions]

No way Hoffman makes it in on the first ballot. The only closer who deserves first ballot is Mariano Rivera. I think Hoffman has about a 50/50 chance at making it years down the line.

[Master Shake]

Griffey and Piazza will get in. Hoffman misses out on the 1st ballot but will get in next year. Bagwell will creep a little closer.

[Thommy]

Bonds has way more votes than Sosa because he is a ten times better baseball player than Sosa. People get way too caught up in the home runs. Take away the home runs/steroids and what did Sosa do great? Nothing. Take Away Bonds Home Runs/Steroids and he still has several MVP's (Before he started juicing), over 500 stolen bases, .299 career average and 8 gold glove awards. Sosa and McGwire are borderline HOFers to me because without steroids they literally did nothing. Bonds has an overall much more impressive resume.

How can you possibly distinguish what was and wasn't performance enhancers.

[jrosales]

I don't see Hoffman as a HOFer at all. Aside from having an insanely high number of saves in an era where closers pitched only one inning while often leading by 3 (as opposed to a Goose Gossage, who would usually come into the game in the 7th or 8th inning while leading by only 1 or 2 runs), Hoffman also has a losing record and a reputation of not being able to get the job done in the playoffs. Jeff Reardon once had the career saves record, but no one ever clamored for him to be in the HOF.

At least with Mariano, he has his winning lifetime record, a good ERA and postseason heroics to go along with his lifetime saves record.

[SportsAutoFreak]

I don't see Hoffman as a HOFer at all. Aside from having an insanely high number of saves in an era where closers pitched only one inning while often leading by 3 (as opposed to a Goose Gossage, who would usually come into the game in the 7th or 8th inning while leading by only 1 or 2 runs), Hoffman also has a losing record and a reputation of not being able to get the job done in the playoffs. Jeff Reardon once had the career saves record, but no one ever clamored for him to be in the HOF.

At least with Mariano, he has his winning lifetime record, a good ERA and postseason heroics to go along with his lifetime saves record.

Except he did more than rack up saves. How are the other numbers? Well he had a 141 ERA+, had a 1.058 WHIP and twice was Cy Young runnerup. He also had a top five and top six finish.

Wins and losses are not the way to judge a pitcher. The fact that he didn't perform well in the playoffs isn't relevant because postseason success or lack thereof hasn't defined someone as a Hall of Famer or otherwise.

You might also know the best N.L. reliever gets the Trevor Hoffman Award. That's a testament to his longevity as a reliever and the fact he was the best closer in the National League all those years.

Absolutely Trevor Hoffman belongs.

[grandmasterPRA]

How can you possibly distinguish what was and wasn't performance enhancers.

Well most people would agree that Bonds didn't start taking until about 2000ish or so. It was pretty obvious that McGwire was taking his entire career. Sosa I honestly don't know but he was only an amazing hitter for like 5 seasons. My point is, take away home runs all together from all three of them and Bonds has way more gold gloves, way more stolen bases and hit for a better average. steroids don't usually give you a boost in those categories.

[Thommy]

Well most people would agree that Bonds didn't start taking until about 2000ish or so. It was pretty obvious that McGwire was taking his entire career. Sosa I honestly don't know but he was only an amazing hitter for like 5 seasons. My point is, take away home runs all together from all three of them and Bonds has way more gold gloves, way more stolen bases and hit for a better average. steroids don't usually give you a boost in those categories.

See, but it's all speculation. People just say that because that's when he got huge. But look at Braun, he never exploded in size.

[Jopeal]

I think that Griffey guy has a chance.

[callou2131]

Spot on Thommy. Look at alot of Olympic runners that are caught doping. Many are small. They Juice for quicker healing and faster speed. There are many different ways to juice, depending on what you want to do. Was bonds juicing for speed first? If he was there are the stolen bases, and even gold gloves out the window as well. Canseco was Juicing his whole career had 200 Stolen bases and rarely even stole his last 10 years. So yes, Roids add speed as well.

[callou2131]

Here ya go. Does this guy look like a steroid user?
http://marathon.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/eddy-hellebuyck-comes-clean/?_r=0

[Wrightfan85]

Griffey and Piazza. Bonds should get in but the reporters are going to be morons again.

[PejaD]

Bonds & Clemens will probably get in....posthumously

[awz50]

Bonds & Clemens will probably get in....posthumously

Bonds should have been in a long time ago

Also bobby should be in to..

[bedot]

Griffey Jr should get 98%- 100%

he is one of the greatest of all time... Imagine his career without injuries =/

Griffey is a lock for 98 percent.. question is will he become the first unanimous entry. If anyone has a chance it is Griffey.

[Thommy]

Griffey is a lock for 98 percent.. question is will he become the first unanimous entry. If anyone has a chance it is Griffey.

Nope. Too many people are too suspicious of PEDs. Even though Griffey has never been tied to them, the fact that he was a power hitter during that era is suspicious enough for people to not vote for him. Obviously he'll get in, but he isn't a lock for 98 imo, and has 0 chance of being a unanimous hall of famer.

[jstasyk1121]

Griffey is a lock for 98 percent.. question is will he become the first unanimous entry. If anyone has a chance it is Griffey.

no one will ever get 100%...period...there is no discussion...it will not happen

[rats60]

Well most people would agree that Bonds didn't start taking until about 2000ish or so. It was pretty obvious that McGwire was taking his entire career. Sosa I honestly don't know but he was only an amazing hitter for like 5 seasons. My point is, take away home runs all together from all three of them and Bonds has way more gold gloves, way more stolen bases and hit for a better average. steroids don't usually give you a boost in those categories.

It is also obvious that Bonds was doping by 1993. His stats are a fraud. In no way does he deserve the HOF.

[hazenuts]

It is also obvious that Bonds was doping by 1993. His stats are a fraud. In no way does he deserve the HOF.

Where did that come from, that Bonds start roiding as early as 93? would you share the link to that? thanks

[jrosales]

No way is Griffey a lock for 98%, not with the way he quickly dropped from superstardom to average.

If Griffey had sustained his first-half accomplishments/stats/abilities and made his second-half mirror that, then yes, he'd be a shoo-in for near-100%.

As it stands, though, I think he'll get between 90 and 94%. Still half-decent, but nothing close to unanimous.

[Skipscards]

Griffey and Piazza definitely go in next year. Bags and Raines are longshots but will likely get bumps this year with Griffey being the only slam dunk newcomer this year.

I also predict a bump for Schilling and Trammell, though it will be too little too late for Tram. Hoffman and Edmonds are the only other newcomers with a shot at staying on the ballot.

[Skipscards]

It is also obvious that Bonds was doping by 1993. His stats are a fraud. In no way does he deserve the HOF.

This ^^^^^^^

[Skipscards]

And no chance Griff gets 100%. There are members who simply refuse to cast a single vote for 1st timers as well as anyone who played during the Steroid era.

[SportsAutoFreak]

And no chance Griff gets 100%. There are members who simply refuse to cast a single vote for 1st timers as well as anyone who played during the Steroid era.

Not just that. Some BBWAA members think it's all about them and want to purposely leave someone off for attention.

[bedot]

I realize most will disagree with my 98% statement and chance for unanimous, but the guy was on the All century team, the best player for a decade, and no matter how great players like Maddux, Pedro, Big Unit, and others were around his time, nobody was like The Kid. He was the Swing Man.

I get that writers purposely want to make a point, further their personal agendas, but I say lock for 98 percent still, with a chance at 100.

If/When he falls short of 98 percent, you guys can say you told me so, haha.

[callou2131]

And no chance Griff gets 100%. There are members who simply refuse to cast a single vote for 1st timers as well as anyone who played during the Steroid era.

Yup, Otherwise Gwynn and Ripken would have been 2 100%ers

[death2redemptions]

Nobody will ever get 100%...never. If a player had 5,000 career hits they wouldn't even get 100%.

Griffey might have an outside chance at 98% but I'd say 95-96% is far more likely.

[raydawg24]

Shoeless Joe Jackson