Thoughts on replacement offer

[treswatson]

Topps is saying my 2013 Five Star Ripken/Machado dual logo patch auto (it's 1/1) is worth $400. That's 100 more than they offered me this past winter and I don't believe it will ever be made so I'm probably going to accept that value.

They've offered me a 2015 Heritage Mariano Rivera Red Ink auto #/66.


Thoughts?

[Hollywood42]

Can't go wrong with a Rivera auto, but I don't like that as a replacement for the original at all

[seabass97166]

The Rivera you mentioned sells for $300, so they might have offered you $400 but still giving a $300 card.

Make them ante up a little more, throw in a 2014 Bowman Platinum Carlos Correa Blue on card auto /199

[Metsfan1121]

I'd say $400 seems fair, but that Rivera isn't a $400 card

[Skipscards]

I'd say $400 seems fair, but that Rivera isn't a $400 card

This. Now if it were a 1/1 Rivera...

[Crazybella8]

Just my opinion, but I would hold out for the card a little longer. I mean both guys are signing cards and I really don't see why it couldn't be made. Maybe push a little with Topps as to them actually getting your card. Worth a try?

[treswatson]

Just my opinion, but I would hold out for the card a little longer. I mean both guys are signing cards and I really don't see why it couldn't be made. Maybe push a little with Topps as to them actually getting your card. Worth a try?

According to Topps, the problem isn't the signature. It's the Ripken GU jersey logo patch.

[coltsfan23]

I'd hold out for the card, personally. I think the Five Star redemptions were for full Logomans, so if that's the case, $400 is an incredibly low valuation.

[treswatson]

I'd hold out for the card, personally. I think the Five Star redemptions were for full Logomans, so if that's the case, $400 is an incredibly low valuation.

They are. Great looking books but I've never actually seen one live. ANY of them.

EDIT: I take it back. One listed on ebay now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-FIVE-STAR-MIGUEL-CABRERA-PRINCE-FIELDER-DUAL-MLB-LOGO-PATCH-AUTOGRAPH-d1-1-/171864347669?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2803e9d415

[stormshadow815]

Why would you accept anything short of another 1/1, if they cant make a better offer than id hold out for the card.

[Hollywood42]

I'd definitely hold out for the original card at this point. Put some more pressure on them to make it if you can

[xbignick]

A Ripken game-used logo with one of the brightest pieces of the Orioles today #'ed 1/1 and autoed? $400 seems low...

[vikingfan101]

Very poor offer. I would also hold out and wait. I would think your redemption if made would be around $1000.

[rob11nats]

Very poor offer. I would also hold out and wait. I would think your redemption if made would be around $1000.

I concur with this. Plus Mariano seems to be signing a lot more so his autos can only go down.

[BestRCs]

Card companies never offer a fair replacement. And I think this is another case.

[Jblaw1]

That is incredibly low. No WAY would I accept that. I've pulled three of these. Only one that wasn't actedemptiin was chipper jones and Freddie freeman. Sold that for somewhere between 1500-2000 (it was several years ago, but remember the general range.

The two redemptions were thomas/griffey and ripken/gwynn, both of which I sold in the same range, with the ripken gwynn being in the lower end. It's a 1/1 dual logoman auto on card. I'd take NOTHING less than $1000 in sell value not their ridiculous book price garbage. They can't fulfill their promise so THEY should go the extra mile.

[mantlefan7]

Yeah, if it's the logoman patches, there's no way it's only worth $400. I agree with the $1000 + valuation.

[batottu]

This is ridiculous. $400 seemed low on regular patches, this is crazy if it's logomen. I'd pay $1k for it and I don't collect either.

[Bhenry4]

$400, haha. That's less than I paid for my Manny non-auto'd logo man.

[Nyfancam01]

No chance I'd ever accept 400 value on that card.

[mantlefan7]

$400, haha. That's less than I paid for my Manny non-auto'd logo man.

Yeah, I've got several logoman patches from 2004- on and I paid more than $400 for almost every single (non-auto'd) one. Just unbelievable that Topps says the Ripken/Machado is worth $400. Although I love Rivera and it would be a nice card, no way it's even close in value to a dual logoman auto.

[enyouartist]

An autographed FiveStar 1/1 logoman of Ripken and Machado is probably a 1.5-2K card. Not even close to the value of a Mariano /66 Heritage auto. Tell Topps NO WAY! Fight for what's right!

[nera20]

So they are offering you a card that sells a little under $400 2015 Topps Heritage Mariano Rivera Auto 52 66 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-Topps-Heritage-Mariano-Rivera-Auto-52-66-/181737324548?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a50638004)

for a card that probably would sell for $2000 that's so insulting to you by topps just wow

[Cavaliercards]

Hold out and if need be file a BBB complaint.

[dhcollecting]

so the bastards made this for 2014 and just said funk your 2013.

Thanks Topps :mad::rolleyes::mad::rolleyes::rolleyes:


2014 Topps Five Star Cal Ripken Jr Manny Machado Dual Signature Patch Book 2 10 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-TOPPS-FIVE-STAR-CAL-RIPKEN-JR-MANNY-MACHADO-DUAL-SIGNATURE-PATCH-BOOK-2-10-/111656171128?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19ff39f678&nma=true&si=FAHzwf%252FVb9zVCpHIhkTrMjG7sS4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

[Bhenry4]

so the bastards made this for 2014 and just said funk your 2013.

Thanks Topps :mad::rolleyes::mad::rolleyes::rolleyes:


2014 Topps Five Star Cal Ripken Jr Manny Machado Dual Signature Patch Book 2 10 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-TOPPS-FIVE-STAR-CAL-RIPKEN-JR-MANNY-MACHADO-DUAL-SIGNATURE-PATCH-BOOK-2-10-/111656171128?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19ff39f678&nma=true&si=FAHzwf%252FVb9zVCpHIhkTrMjG7sS4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

That's just a patch book, his redemption is for a logoman book.

[bigaust001]

That's just a patch book, his redemption is for a logoman book.

True, but if they had the materials for the patches, there is a good possibility that they had the logos as well. My feeling is that they have exhausted their resources by accident, and thus are trying to avoid buying another jersey just to get the logoman by offering a replacement.

[treswatson]

Ok, here's a crazy question, I'm going through game used Ripken jersey's available for sell on-line and can't find any that have the logo patch on them! Most all are from the mid-80's. What year did they begin putting the logo on them?

[dhcollecting]

That's just a patch book, his redemption is for a logoman book.

OP is the card just for a logo patch or the logoman?

[Bhenry4]

They're the full logoman. OP, tell them that you have a guy waiting to pay you $1200 for it.

[treswatson]

OP is the card just for a logo patch or the logoman?

Dual Signature MLB Logo Patch Book Set Checklist is how it's listed and the Fielder/Cabrera one on ebay is pretty nice. Full patch.

[davidk]

400 for that book is beyond ridiculous.

those logo books go for crazy amount

[treswatson]

UPDATE: Here is the email I sent to Topps in reply to their offer today:

Upon doing further research, are you able to share with me the comparable ebay sales you are using to obtain your $400 number? From what I'm seeing, I think it is worth more.

Is there any chance at all this card will be produced? I believe every time I have inquired about it in the past, I've been told that the delay is in the Ripken logo patch. This is a very expensive card and it's been nearly 2 years since the product went on sale, I would have hoped Topps would have been able to acquire a patch by now considering I've gotten probably a dozen other Game used jersey Cal Ripken Cards over the past 2 years.

I've actually ever only seen or heard of one of these dual logo patch books being produced and that is the Prince Fielder/Miguel Cabrera one and it is currently listed on Ebay. If only one out of 24 have been produced, I'm more than a little disappointed at the company's commitment to honor it's promises on redemptions.

[death2redemptions]

There is no way that's just a $400 card. Incredibly low valuation.

At the very least I'd value this at $800-$1,000.

That Rivera red ink wouldn't even be a fair replacement at their low ball valuation of $400. If it were a 1/1 on-card Rivera autograph then it would be a little different.

[phisouza33]

topps is F'ing you twice.

your card is worth more than $400 imo

the /66 is a WEAK replacement.... tell them to pound sand

[Orange October]

$400 is insane for that card. I really hope you end up getting it somehow. That would be a nasty booklet. I just redeemed a 2014 Five Star Schoop Logoman auto. I'm hoping that goes smoothly, I don't know why it wouldn't but I guess it's always a risk with Topps redemptions. There's at least a limited supply of Ripken gamers, but you'd think Topps would have more/acquire one if the MLB Logoman patch is the issue.

[treswatson]

$400 is insane for that card. I really hope you end up getting it somehow. That would be a nasty booklet. I just redeemed a 2014 Five Star Schoop Logoman auto. I'm hoping that goes smoothly, I don't know why it wouldn't but I guess it's always a risk with Topps redemptions. There's at least a limited supply of Ripken gamers, but you'd think Topps would have more/acquire one if the MLB Logoman patch is the issue.

What I'm more concerned about is that I don't think they began putting MLB logo's on jerseys until after the strike, when they got rid of the AL and NL Commissioners. That cuts off a significant number of Ripken GU jerseys that they could pull one off of. I have yet to find a jersey for sale with a logoman.

[treswatson]

UPDATE: Here is the email I sent to Topps in reply to their offer today:

Upon doing further research, are you able to share with me the comparable ebay sales you are using to obtain your $400 number? From what I'm seeing, I think it is worth more.

Is there any chance at all this card will be produced? I believe every time I have inquired about it in the past, I've been told that the delay is in the Ripken logo patch. This is a very expensive card and it's been nearly 2 years since the product went on sale, I would have hoped Topps would have been able to acquire a patch by now considering I've gotten probably a dozen other Game used jersey Cal Ripken Cards over the past 2 years.

I've actually ever only seen or heard of one of these dual logo patch books being produced and that is the Prince Fielder/Miguel Cabrera one and it is currently listed on Ebay. If only one out of 24 have been produced, I'm more than a little disappointed at the company's commitment to honor it's promises on redemptions.

Ok, you can see above the email reply I sent to Topps on July 27. Today, August 7, this was the response I got:

Hello,

I apologize for the delay.

I can offer you 3 cards for the dual auto:

1) 2012 Gypsy Queen auto of Albert Pujols
2) 2014 High Tek auto of Frank Thomas
3) 2013 Five Star auto of Pedro Martinez /50

Please let me know if this works for you.

Come on? Seriously?

[myerscards]

That is terrible!!!!!!!

[Cavaliercards]

Ok, you can see above the email reply I sent to Topps on July 27. Today, August 7, this was the response I got:

Hello,

I apologize for the delay.

I can offer you 3 cards for the dual auto:

1) 2012 Gypsy Queen auto of Albert Pujols
2) 2014 High Tek auto of Frank Thomas
3) 2013 Five Star auto of Pedro Martinez /50

Please let me know if this works for you.

Come on? Seriously?

Time to inform them you decline and will be speaking resolution with the better business bureau.

[MeetJSquared]

LOL at that last offer. Two of each wouldn't even be in the realm.

I wish you were at the Topps Q&A at the National; would've been great to hear their response on it.

[rauchand]

Ok, you can see above the email reply I sent to Topps on July 27. Today, August 7, this was the response I got:

Hello,

I apologize for the delay.

I can offer you 3 cards for the dual auto:

1) 2012 Gypsy Queen auto of Albert Pujols
2) 2014 High Tek auto of Frank Thomas
3) 2013 Five Star auto of Pedro Martinez /50

Please let me know if this works for you.

Come on? Seriously?

Dude, that's ridiculous. I'd raise hell, bit in a somewhat polite manner. He bigger jerk you are, the worse the proposed replacements will be. Your email was good. Just be persistent.

[jcmint]

Could you ask the Topps rep where are they getting their value for a dual logo book

You can show them comparibles of those books and prove that the card is easily worth triple their lowball estimate.
You can also start asking others on their Twitter feed what they think
Talk to other Topps reps if you can

[Flkrsn5]

I'd imagine that card is worth a hell of a lot more than $400. Maybe I'm being biased as I am a huge fan of Ripken.

[Cavaliercards]

Could you ask the Topps rep where are they getting their value for a dual logo book

You can show them comparibles of those books and prove that the card is easily worth triple their lowball estimate.
You can also start asking others on their Twitter feed what they think
Talk to other Topps reps if you can

This blow up their twitter and use it against them. We did this previously and they resolved an issue rather than it become public.

[xbignick]

That's a sad proposal.

[MeetJSquared]

This blow up their twitter and use it against them. We did this previously and they resolved an issue rather than it become public.

They did say at Q&A that the person/people managing their Twitter doesn't have any idea about redemption issues, but I'm sure they try to get someone on it as soon as possible to avoid flooding their feed with questions like it.

They said best time to call is first thing in the morning, as speaking to someone direct (with all your information handy) would be easier than waiting a week for a response.

[blaze]

That offer is pure garbage.

As for $400, if that card showed up on eBay with a $1000 buy it now, I would buy it as fast as I could to resell with no hesitation. $400 is a complete joke.

[MeetJSquared]

That offer is pure garbage.

As for $400, if that card showed up on eBay with a $1000 buy it now, I would buy it as fast as I could to resell with no hesitation. $400 is a complete joke.

Yeah, I think they're banking on the fact that none have been sold, much less made, so they can throw out random numbers hoping the OP doesn't know any better.

[bedot]

How are they able to offer the rivera heritage auto anyway. They always tell me they cannot offer redemptions for redemptions.

So much for sticking to that policy.

[treswatson]

This blow up their twitter and use it against them. We did this previously and they resolved an issue rather than it become public.

Just throwing something against the wall.....has anyone had any success going through their LCS and getting them to go to their Topps rep to complain on behalf of a very loyal customer?

[Cavaliercards]

Just throwing something against the wall.....has anyone had any success going through their LCS and getting them to go to their Topps rep to complain on behalf of a very loyal customer?

As a LCS that has done a fair amount of Topps can tell you it didn't matter. We have tried for ourselves and for customers. We ended up calling them out on Twitter and that did work.

[dhcollecting]

Yeah, I think they're banking on the fact that none have been sold, much less made, so they can throw out random numbers hoping the OP doesn't know any better.

Exactly their tactic which is deceitful and shows how they don't care about their customers!

[mjwoop]

I vote for remaining persistent on this one. I recently posted something in a similar thread about having a good experience with Topps regarding a redemption replacement, but your situation is completely different. My card was /50 and not that big of a deal in my mind, but what you're dealing with would be the top card in the collection of the vast majority of collectors. Just as importantly, it was a sell sheet type of card for a very high end set. The chance of hitting a card like that is the only reason anyone would buy boxes/cases of a product with that high of a price point to begin with. I'm a very understanding person, but not fulfilling those types of cards starts to border on being criminal.

[mjwoop]

(Continued...) At the very least, not following through on redemptions for top chase cards has to represent a pretty substantial blow to the credibility of high end products, right?

[MeetJSquared]

(Continued...) At the very least, not following through on redemptions for top chase cards has to represent a pretty substantial blow to the credibility of high end products, right?

It SHOULD, but there are plenty of people buying who either don't know about situations like this, or simply don't care. I may be part of these groups, but it's kind of tough when your options are dealing with it or not buying anything. I haven't had a situation like this, but if I were the OP I'd be fighting this until I was satisfied.

These multiple offers make zac949's Ryu replacements look like steals.

[zeeropointzeero]

not following through on redemptions for top chase cards has to represent a pretty substantial blow to the credibility of high end products, right?

What do they care? When you have a monopoly, you can do whatever you want and people who want a product have no choice but to buy from you. Your choice is to either buy from them no matter what, or never be able to buy MLB cards of players in team uniforms with team names.

[Bhenry4]

I vote for remaining persistent on this one. I recently posted something in a similar thread about having a good experience with Topps regarding a redemption replacement, but your situation is completely different. My card was /50 and not that big of a deal in my mind, but what you're dealing with would be the top card in the collection of the vast majority of collectors. Just as importantly, it was a sell sheet type of card for a very high end set. The chance of hitting a card like that is the only reason anyone would buy boxes/cases of a product with that high of a price point to begin with. I'm a very understanding person, but not fulfilling those types of cards starts to border on being criminal.

That's another point. This crap cost $400 a box, and that's all they're offering?!?! I doubt that when he pulled it that he was thinking, "Sweet, I didn't lose on this box." He was probably like JACKPOT!!!!

[treswatson]

Big news. After getting fed up and re-starting the replacement process on this card, Topps called me this week and told me the original had been "damaged" (yeah, right) but that it had been reproduced and is out to be signed! I may get this damned card yet!

[Jeramy]

Big news. After getting fed up and re-starting the replacement process on this card, Topps called me this week and told me the original had been "damaged" (yeah, right) but that it had been reproduced and is out to be signed! I may get this damned card yet!

That is awesome - congratulations! Luckily it hasn't any value during the whole ordeal.

[rj.cataldo]

2013 Five Star was clearly a "black sheep" product for Topps. I am not sure if it was a huge failure or what, but they have failed to produce so many cards from that set. I have had a Frank Thomas / Ken Griffey dual patch book and they have given me the same story for 4 years about the card not being produced, not being sent for signing, etc. THAT card is worth about $400 and its not a dual logoman.

The aggravating thing is they have TONS of Thomas and Griffey patch and autos over the past 4 years, but they just won't seem to produce these 2013 Five Star cards. I did see what looks to be a live version for 2014 Five Star, but only one. I am hoping the fact that your card is finally being made is a positive sign for 2013 Five Star cards.

[tkraft24]

Big news. After getting fed up and re-starting the replacement process on this card, Topps called me this week and told me the original had been "damaged" (yeah, right) but that it had been reproduced (yeah, right) and is out to be signed (yeah, right)!

I think you were short at least 2 "yeah, rights"

[Bhenry4]

That's awesome!! Very interested to see this.

[bounty37h]

I have what is likely a dumb question but I know little of the redemptions (and law). I have never hit a big redemption and have gotten the cards of the few I have submitted so never had to worry about it. Isn't the redemption card basically a contract they promise to provide on, could someone sue saying they breached that written, paid for contract?

[Jblaw1]

2013 Five Star was clearly a "black sheep" product for Topps. I am not sure if it was a huge failure or what, but they have failed to produce so many cards from that set. I have had a Frank Thomas / Ken Griffey dual patch book and they have given me the same story for 4 years about the card not being produced, not being sent for signing, etc. THAT card is worth about $400 and its not a dual logoman.

The aggravating thing is they have TONS of Thomas and Griffey patch and autos over the past 4 years, but they just won't seem to produce these 2013 Five Star cards. I did see what looks to be a live version for 2014 Five Star, but only one. I am hoping the fact that your card is finally being made is a positive sign for 2013 Five Star cards.


Agreed. I had a bunch of these but only submitted a couple. I was told they were redoing the Hank Aaron Jackie Robinson dual auto/ cut that's the last one pending so fingers crossed.

Something drastic must have happened to lose so many with so many different players etc.

[okumeister]

According to Topps, the problem isn't the signature. It's the Ripken GU jersey logo patch.

EDIT :
I didn't know the original thread was old and didn't read the whole thread...
Nice to know that you are finally getting your card!!

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It's such a BS that Topps issues these redemption cards without knowing that they will be able to make it or not.
If the GU jersey of Ripken is that hard to get, it should also mean that the value of your card should be higher (because the cost of getting that GU jersey should have that much premium).
I would counter them to evaluate the card again at much higher value.

[youseekyoda421]

Well...Topps Redemption Report (https://www.topps.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Topps-Redemption-Report-101617.pdf). Line 5 may interest you.

[Jmort23]

That’s going to be sick if the OP receives it! God I hope so.
Good luck buddy!
Jeff

[rj.cataldo]

I have to say. Gradually Topps has been getting better with redemptions. They have been more timely with recent stuff, providing extras with every redemption, and FINALLY after 4 years I got some transparency on the status of my card.

I have an outstanding 2013 five star dual auto patch card out, and my last exchange with Topps I got some confirmation that the card would indeed be made/finished and even the status of the card. The rep was very helpful and understanding, and not dismissive or ambiguous. I'm still waiting for my card, but for the first time, I'm hopeful. It seems like the momentum is shifting a bit.

[Jblaw1]

I have to say. Gradually Topps has been getting better with redemptions. They have been more timely with recent stuff, providing extras with every redemption, and FINALLY after 4 years I got some transparency on the status of my card.

I have an outstanding 2013 five star dual auto patch card out, and my last exchange with Topps I got some confirmation that the card would indeed be made/finished and even the status of the card. The rep was very helpful and understanding, and not dismissive or ambiguous. I'm still waiting for my card, but for the first time, I'm hopeful. It seems like the momentum is shifting a bit.

Glad OP is getting his card. Still no word on mine but hopeful.

Out of curiosity what dual logoman are u getting? I pulled 3 and sold all of them because figured they wouldn’t be made. Hope u get it and it’d awesome.

[rj.cataldo]

Not a logoman. Just dual patch auto of Thomas and Griffey /10

[Afton9444]

Glad it might work out for you.


If your looking to sell I’ll give you $400 for it.. ;)

[TheWrightStuff]

That's crazy that they are just now making those cards from 5 year old redemptions. Its GREAT that they are doing it, its just crazy it has taken so long. There is a list of cards I'm waiting on, but all are from this year at least. I'm confused that I am waiting on a Bellinger auto from Topps Chrome and I saw lots of others received these cards a while ago so figured they had them in hand.

OP- You have got to post pictures when you get this in. Its awesome seeing it on the pop report as being signed.

[treswatson]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1159145

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[hornedfrog1985]

Find a game used jersey and figure out your price. I would lawyer up possibly. They sold the item. They need to keep their contract. You have the ball in your court. I bet if you took them to small claims court you would win if you provided fair proof of what a game used jersey with a logoman went for. Itd not your fault they sold something to all of us not knowing it cost a ton to make. Its like selling lottery tickets for a car you havent bought yet, then after someone wins the car you realize the car is worth a lot more than you realized so you offer a car half the price. No topps, sometimes the house loses. Pay the man.

I know they read these forums. Theyve said they do.

[bruiser1226]

I'll pay $1100 for this once you get it if it's made. That offer was a joke.