Brady update - New Thread Warranted

[jasonm2121]

@MikeGasior 4 hours ago Just heard, @NFL and #TomBrady agree to no games, no admission of guilt and $50K for not cooperating. Announcement in court tomorrow.

[pgisback]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?? I was right all along. What a trash witch hunt the NFL went on. Garroppolo cards about to plummet.

//If this report is true

[jasonm2121]

Yea, agree, should know soonmon!

[ssbledsoe]

Let's see if that can get corroborated...

[jasonm2121]

Just hope this is true

[Kingofkings1281]

As much as I'd like to believe that's true, I just don't trust Tweets like that. It's probably just someone hoping that's how it turns out so they can say they "broke the story".

[glen87]

in before BN

[Kingofkings1281]

Annnnd that's exactly what it is. I just went through his Twitter and this random dude is trying desperately for Schefter and ESPN to notice him. He claims he has a source that "leaked" it to him in a "very matter of fact way".

[pgisback]

Yea, after reading more in to it, doesn't look too promising. Just 4 hrs ago Adam Schefter reported that the meeting did not go well today. But, it was fun while it lasted.

[glen87]

reading some other things from that guy - he seems like an attention whore

[pac213up]

Lol....twitter at it again.

[jasonm2121]

reading some other things from that guy - he seems like an attention whore

yea kinda seems so

[corndog]

http://eatitorwearit.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpg

[ssbledsoe]

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/633978882991984640

It seems that the original Tweeter was just attention whoring

[fullmetal]

Needs to take a punch like Dez.

Aren't all sports reporters whores for attention? Every headline requires a reporting name, as if anyone cares. Adam Shitter is one of the worst.

[trixstar]

So there is some actual real news.

Report: Brady Willing To Accept Suspension, But Only For Non-Cooperation « CBS Boston (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/08/19/report-brady-willing-to-accept-suspension-but-only-for-non-cooperation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

[BostonNut]

Felger was speculating that the NFL's new offer will be zero games but they will force Brady to admit the Wells Report was true. That way the NFL can save face on the $3 million price tag and everyone gets what they want....Brady's head on a stick.

[IronMonkey415]

So is he playing GAME #4 or not?

[twisty571]

Felger was speculating that the NFL's new offer will be zero games but they will force Brady to admit the Wells Report was true. That way the NFL can save face on the $5 million price tag and everyone gets what they want....Brady's head on a stick.

Fixed it for you,they paid Wells close to $3m alone if I remember correctly.

[jasonm2121]

looking better for Brady as of today, it sounds like the judge is basically saying to the NFL that they do not have a good case and should work it out before returning August 31st

[jasonm2121]

So is he playing GAME #4 or not?

Obviously do not know for sure but I think it is safe to say he will play game 4. If he misses anything it will likely be no more than 1 game from the looks of today's hearings.

[pac213up]

Felger was speculating that the NFL's new offer will be zero games but they will force Brady to admit the Wells Report was true. That way the NFL can save face on the $3 million price tag and everyone gets what they want....Brady's head on a stick.

Which is ridiculous. Brady is not going to perjure himself. The NFL seems very much like they are trying to protect themselves from another lawsuit.

[jasonm2121]

Which is ridiculous. Brady is not going to perjure himself. The NFL seems very much like they are trying to protect themselves from another lawsuit.

pretty much, round and round they go, seems like with each passing day it just looks worse for the league, going to trust the process here and watch them look bad

[pac213up]

pretty much, round and round they go, seems like with each passing day it just looks worse for the league, going to trust the process here and watch them look bad

I just caught up on today's updates and it looks like the NFL took a worse beating than last week. Not sure Brady has any motivation to settle at this point.

[88horsepower]

I just caught up on today's updates and it looks like the NFL took a worse beating than last week. Not sure Brady has any motivation to settle at this point.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/reports-nfls-settlement-hearing-tom-175716170.html

[Morgoth]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/reports-nfls-settlement-hearing-tom-175716170.html

Yeah the NFL got crushed LOL :rolleyes: Very last quote from the judge in the article. Sounds like he isn't crushing anyone.

Judge: "There are enough strengths and weaknesses on both sides..all the more reason why a settlement seems a logical and rational outcome."

[pac213up]

Yeah the NFL got crushed LOL :rolleyes: Very last quote from the judge in the article. Sounds like he isn't crushing anyone.

Judge: "There are enough strengths and weaknesses on both sides..all the more reason why a settlement seems a logical and rational outcome."

One line out of 2+ hours of the NFL taking a beat down. The judge is always going to prefer a settlement and after hammering one side two weeks in a row needs to have a small degree of balance.

[Morgoth]

One line out of 2+ hours of the NFL taking a beat down. The judge is always going to prefer a settlement and after hammering one side two weeks in a row needs to have a small degree of balance.

Did you read the quotes, there wasn't a beat down, just asking clarifying questions and some dubious emotional response from the reporter like "the judge seemed skeptical"

or how about this crushing response from the judge "I have a little trouble with that" Oh man FATALITY

Seriously if this is our new standard for reporting news I will just wait for the actual ESPN or real news outlet version, that isn't clouded by trying to sell a tag line that isn't close to being factual.

[pac213up]

Did you read the quotes, there wasn't a beat down, just asking clarifying questions and some dubious emotional response from the reporter like "the judge seemed skeptical"

or how about this crushing response from the judge "I have a little trouble with that" Oh man FATALITY

Seriously if this is our new standard for reporting news I will just wait for the actual ESPN or real news outlet version, that isn't clouded by trying to sell a tag line that isn't close to being factual.

ESPN......lol. The mouthpiece of the NFL.

[phinzphan1372]

one $ or one minute = guilty of more than failure to cooperate thats the end of the story. Nothing more to discuss .... mods please close the thread now

[lobo_hacker]

I just caught up on today's updates and it looks like the NFL took a worse beating than last week. Not sure Brady has any motivation to settle at this point.

-None. Leverage and negotiating position strongly favor Brady if what has been presented publicly is even close to reality.

lobo_hacker, eating way too much blue cheese dressing lately

[lobo_hacker]

...

Seriously if this is our new standard for reporting news I will just wait for the actual ESPN or real news outlet version, that isn't clouded by trying to sell a tag line that isn't close to being factual.

-Side note, i am glad you aren't dumb enough to think ESPN is a real news outlet anymore/lump them together with other actual news reporting companies.

lobo_hacker

[88horsepower]

ESPN......lol. The mouthpiece of the NFL.

So, pac213up, the mouthpiece for Blowout Forum?

Look, people often see what they want to see. Often, they hear what they want to hear. At this point, for anyone to say "Brady got crushed" or "The NFL got crushed today" seems like hyperbole to a certain degree.

We already know we cannot trust "news sources" anymore. So, we cannot fully trust what we are hearing.

Second, none of us were at the hearing, so we cannot even give our own subjective view on how the judge reacted. We didn't see his affect or hear the tone of his voice. We barely even know what they talked about or the context. Let's save the exciting words that bring in the headlines like "NFL Got Crushed" for the yahoo's at Yahoo instead of reducing ourselves to the lowest common denominator.

[pac213up]

Lol

Matt Taibbi ‏@mtaibbi 12m12 minutes agoManhattan, NY
Most interesting moment to me was Berman saying Goodell may have violated rules by disallowing testimony of Pash at Brady's arb appeal.

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 1m1 minute agoManhattan, NY
Berman: "I believe some arbitration awards have been vacated" because a witness was not allowed to be called without explanation.


Max Stendahl ‏@MaxLaw360 10m10 minutes ago
Judge Berman questioned why the key sentence in Wells report ("general awareness") did not specify that finding related to Colts Game.

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 8m8 minutes agoManhattan, NY
Berman hit the NFL hard yet again, and again had problems with language of Wells Report and appeal process

Max Stendahl ‏@MaxLaw360 5m5 minutes ago
Judge Berman also questioned Goodell's statement that closest parallel to Brady suspension was steroid use and use of masking agent.

Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Nash: "Brady was not just generally aware. He was involved." Berman: "Why doesn't it say that?"


Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 12s12 seconds agoManhattan, NY
Berman: "I don't understand the thinking to not allow Mr. Pash as a witness. Who else but Pash had the opportunity to edit the Wells Report?

Michael McCann @McCannSportsLaw
Judge Berman may be pushing a settlement, but by signaling doubts about NFL's legal arguments, he emboldens Tom Brady to wait for decision.

[pac213up]

So, pac213up, the mouthpiece for Blowout Forum?

Look, people often see what they want to see. Often, they hear what they want to hear. At this point, for anyone to say "Brady got crushed" or "The NFL got crushed today" seems like hyperbole to a certain degree.

We already know we cannot trust "news sources" anymore. So, we cannot fully trust what we are hearing.



Mouthpiece...not quite. I am not citing unnamed sources feeding me information that is not readily available to everyone.

When you are hearing the same thing from multiple people that were in the courtroom....you can trust it.

[bojesphob]

The way I see it is this: If Brady's case were so slam dunk, open close positive, then the judge would tell the NFL to stuff the whole thing and reinstate him. He didn't. He said that both sides have valid arguments. That to me sounds like the judge sees the points that the NFL are making AND the points that the Brady side of things are making and realizes that they are both in the wrong and to agree to a settlement. Both sides would be better off to come to a compromise and get it over with, because from the sounds of it, they'll both lose if they have to have the judge decide.

[Morgoth]

Yeah those are still not crushing quotes are anything close to it. Especially when at the end he says there is holes in both sides. I know you want to believe he is sticking it to the NFL but if he truly was he would be using much more direct language than this.

[88horsepower]

Mouthpiece...not quite. I am not citing unnamed sources feeding me information that is not readily available to everyone.

When you are hearing the same thing from multiple people that were in the courtroom....you can trust it.

Just like the multiple well-educated scientific sources that stated the Patriots deflating footballs was the only explanation for how the PSI was reduced?

The way I see it is this: If Brady's case were so slam dunk, open close positive, then the judge would tell the NFL to stuff the whole thing and reinstate him. He didn't. He said that both sides have valid arguments. That to me sounds like the judge sees the points that the NFL are making AND the points that the Brady side of things are making and realizes that they are both in the wrong and to agree to a settlement. Both sides would be better off to come to a compromise and get it over with, because from the sounds of it, they'll both lose if they have to have the judge decide.

Bingo.

[phinzphan1372]

Mouthpiece...not quite. I am not citing unnamed sources feeding me information that is not readily available to everyone.

When you are hearing the same thing from multiple people that were in the courtroom....you can trust it.

Ahhh .... like a conspiracy theory? where multiple people say the same thing so it must be true type of thing?

[lobo_hacker]

Yeah those are still not crushing quotes are anything close to it. Especially when at the end he says there is holes in both sides. I know you want to believe he is sticking it to the NFL but if he truly was he would be using much more direct language than this.

-For a judge during a trial, this is fairly direct. Judge trying to encourage settlement isn't going to just toss it, which is appropriate and preferred.

Problem is, as above mentioned, no one here was at the hearing so we only have a third party to go by. Isn't really thread-worthy until we get a settlement agreement finalized or judgment rendered.

Until that happens, this is all just rehash of the last several months and wasting everyone's time.

lobo_hacker

[88horsepower]

-For a judge during a trial, this is fairly direct. Judge trying to encourage settlement isn't going to just toss it, which is appropriate and preferred.

Problem is, as above mentioned, no one here was at the hearing so we only have a third party to go by. Isn't really thread-worthy until we get a settlement agreement finalized or judgment rendered.

Until that happens, this is all just rehash of the last several months and wasting everyone's time.

lobo_hacker

Yup, pretty much.

[pac213up]

-None. Leverage and negotiating position strongly favor Brady if what has been presented publicly is even close to reality.

lobo_hacker, eating way too much blue cheese dressing lately

I agree but I still think there is a good chance he settles because it ends the story. If he wins this is probably going up another level and he has to deal with the circus again. Take a fine or a 1 game suspension for not cooperating 100% and it is over and the Wells Report has no validity.

[pac213up]

Just like the multiple well-educated scientific sources that stated the Patriots deflating footballs was the only explanation for how the PSI was reduced?
.

Another terrible example...lol. There was also as many if not more "scientific" sources on the other side.

The vast majority of people reporting that have had access to the courtroom and exactly what is being said are telling the same story the last two weeks. The NFL is getting drilled.

With that said how the Judge personally feels about the NFL's handling of this and how he rules may be two different animals because he is going to stick to the legal boundaries. It is fairly clear he is pushing the NFL hard though, and there is a reason. You can continue to ignore and deny if you so chose.

[pac213up]

The way I see it is this: If Brady's case were so slam dunk, open close positive, then the judge would tell the NFL to stuff the whole thing and reinstate him.

That is not how labor law generally works....lol. You guys are entertaining if nothing else.

[bojesphob]

That is not how labor law generally works....lol. You guys are entertaining if nothing else.

If the judge feels that he can make a judgement now and the NFL doesn't have any sort of case, he can throw out the punishment, can't he? If so, then why hasn't he?

[88horsepower]

Another terrible example...lol. There was also as many if not more "scientific" sources on the other side.

The vast majority of people reporting that have had access to the courtroom and exactly what is being said are telling the same story the last two weeks. The NFL is getting drilled.

With that said how the Judge personally feels about the NFL's handling of this and how he rules may be two different animals because he is going to stick to the legal boundaries. It is fairly clear he is pushing the NFL hard though, and there is a reason. You can continue to ignore and deny if you so chose.

I think I've made it fairly clear that I want to see the NFL get grilled over this if they've screwed up the investigation and painted Brady in a corner. I'm not in denial. However, the use of strong emotional language to describe something you haven't witnessed yourself, and is being reported by the very sources we cannot fully trust, comes off like a sensational headline, much like you'd see on the back page.

[phreak9]

the Brady divorce rumors conveniently hitting the media last week seem to show some fear and desperation and a need for leaks/excuses to help Team Brady out with the phone issue.

He couldnt trust the phone to anyone, because his marriage was at stake!

yeah right

I also noticed the judge taking more aim at the nfl than Brady which makes me think he's got Brady all figured out and is looking to see how much he wants to enforce the nfl ruling based on their testimony and findings.

If Brady gets anything less than 2 games i will be shocked. I dont trust the 0 games tweet at all.

[phreak9]

If this judge ever put a drug dealer away for destroying evidence and lets Brady walk when he knowingly destroyed evidence? then what?

In the courts and police departments WORLDWIDE (!!!!!) it is that simple. you impede the investigation and destroy evidence you are getting some sort of penalty. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!!

[pgisback]

You don't even have to be a legal expert to understand that no unbiased judge would not have problems with the Well's Report. It is by far the weakest evidence I have ever seen. It's pretty much, "we think you did it but you didn't give us the proof we needed, so you are guilty".

Edit:: added "not"

[freethrowtommy]

The way I see it is this: If Brady's case were so slam dunk, open close positive, then the judge would tell the NFL to stuff the whole thing and reinstate him. He didn't. He said that both sides have valid arguments. That to me sounds like the judge sees the points that the NFL are making AND the points that the Brady side of things are making and realizes that they are both in the wrong and to agree to a settlement. Both sides would be better off to come to a compromise and get it over with, because from the sounds of it, they'll both lose if they have to have the judge decide.

I notice no homers are addressing your completely valid points.

The longer this goes, the better it is for the NFL.

Also, considering the source of this tweet that started this thread, it wasn't really warranted.

[ninjacookies]

ITT: Decorated magistrates and 12 year experienced legal analysts.

[RedSoxFan28]

So there is some actual real news.

Report: Brady Willing To Accept Suspension, But Only For Non-Cooperation « CBS Boston (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/08/19/report-brady-willing-to-accept-suspension-but-only-for-non-cooperation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Reports: Tom Brady Not Planning To Accept Suspension In Settlement | New England Patriots | NESN.com (http://nesn.com/2015/08/reports-tom-brady-not-planning-to-accept-suspension-in-settlement/)

"a report by ESPN’s Adam Schefter, citing “league sources,” from Wednesday morning that Brady was willing to accept “some form of suspension” if framed as being for a failure to cooperate. "

[Pacosani]

Honestly it is a sad sad testament to Brady's character to take this to court and waste tax payers money and tie up the court system with something so ridiculous. Guilty or not you mr. brady have created a sad precedence showing that games/sports and your image are far greater than real issues going on in the world that the courts should be dealing with. His narrow minded vision and thinking that he is more important than anything else is cause enough for me to not ever have any youth look up to him as someone to follow or idolize....

Just my .02 cents

[RedSoxFan28]

Honestly it is a sad sad testament to Brady's character to take this to court and waste tax payers money and tie up the court system with something so ridiculous. Guilty or not you mr. brady have created a sad precedence showing that games/sports and your image are far greater than real issues going on in the world that the courts should be dealing with. His narrow minded vision and thinking that he is more important than anything else is cause enough for me to not ever have any youth look up to him as someone to follow or idolize....

Just my .02 cents

Didn't the NFL take this to court?

[blevins26]

Let me start off by saying that I hate Brady and the Patriots.

Having said that I'm trying to get past my bias and look at this objectively. Here's my biggest problem with this whole Brady vs. the NFL saga we've had on our hands for, literally, 6 months:

Why hasn't Brady spoken in some type of press conference setting regarding this? If you are innocent, why not say so?

There is such a thing as the court of public opinion and Tom hasn't done a single thing to try to clear his name.

Look, I get it that during a court case the people involved have to be pretty tight lipped about the details of the proceedings but, come on man! Surely Brady's legal team could put something together.

Even something like, "hey world, it's me, Tom Brady, I just wanted to let you guys know that right now I can't talk too much about what's happening with my appeal. Just know that I am following my heart and my conscience and doing what I feel is right."

It's obvious to me that would be a smart move. Which means that it must be obvious to his legal team. Which means there MUST be a reason why he isn't doing it. Maybe it's because he can't honestly say he didn't have anything to do with it. Maybe it's because he refuses. Heck, maybe it's as simple as he doesn't "play" well to middle America no matter what he says.

At the end of the day, my biggest problem with Brady in this situation is that he hasn't tried to convince ME, the average football fan, that he's innocent.

[twisty571]

Just like the multiple well-educated scientific sources that stated the Patriots deflating footballs was the only explanation for how the PSI was reduced?
.

err what? I may not have read most of the previous but I saw a lot of well educated Ivy league scientists disprove the Wells report not for it?

[twisty571]

Didn't the NFL take this to court?

Yes,yes they did file 1st,maybe he should check that 1st;)

[88horsepower]

err what? I may not have read most of the previous but I saw a lot of well educated Ivy league scientists disprove the Wells report not for it?

i misspoke. My apologies. What I meant to say was, before the report, when the PSI data came from the league, there were members of the scientific community supporting the notion that the balls couldn't have deflated without human intervention.

[Kingofkings1281]

Let me start off by saying that I hate Brady and the Patriots.

Having said that I'm trying to get past my bias and look at this objectively. Here's my biggest problem with this whole Brady vs. the NFL saga we've had on our hands for, literally, 6 months:

Why hasn't Brady spoken in some type of press conference setting regarding this? If you are innocent, why not say so?

There is such a thing as the court of public opinion and Tom hasn't done a single thing to try to clear his name.

Look, I get it that during a court case the people involved have to be pretty tight lipped about the details of the proceedings but, come on man! Surely Brady's legal team could put something together.

Even something like, "hey world, it's me, Tom Brady, I just wanted to let you guys know that right now I can't talk too much about what's happening with my appeal. Just know that I am following my heart and my conscience and doing what I feel is right."

It's obvious to me that would be a smart move. Which means that it must be obvious to his legal team. Which means there MUST be a reason why he isn't doing it. Maybe it's because he can't honestly say he didn't have anything to do with it. Maybe it's because he refuses. Heck, maybe it's as simple as he doesn't "play" well to middle America no matter what he says.

At the end of the day, my biggest problem with Brady in this situation is that he hasn't tried to convince ME, the average football fan, that he's innocent.

That's the thing. He doesn't need to convince YOU or the general public. He's worried about playing in the opening game of the season and beyond. It would be absolutely foolish to call a press conference while in the middle of a very serious court case that basically decides his credibility and right to play the game. He will be guilty in the court of "public opinion" no matter how this turns out. If I were him, I wouldn't give a damn about the ESPN headline readers that know nothing about this situation and that deemed him guilty from the get go either.

No matter what happens here, this will remain the stupidest "controversy" that has ever graced the national football league. Brady and the Pats wreck the opposition 90% of the time and the general public don't like them. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with the organization being held to a different standard than every other team in the league. You can say it's because of "Spygate" (equally stupid and insignificant), or prior violations (there are none), but deep down, it's because everyone wants to tear down a winner. Your team can't beat them? There must be a reason. It's probably because the TWO footballs that were slightly below the legal PSI level were in play. That must be it...

[phinzphan1372]

Didn't the NFL take this to court?

No they suspended Brady ... Brady wanted to appeal ... Appeal heard ... Brady didn't like it .... Brady could have accepted the penalty and kept it out of court... NFL only filed ahead of Brady to try to get a favorable venue ... So yes it's Brady wasting tax payers money

[twisty571]

No they suspended Brady ... Brady wanted to appeal ... Appeal heard ... Brady didn't like it .... Brady could have accepted the penalty and kept it out of court... NFL only filed ahead of Brady to try to get a favorable venue ... So yes it's Brady wasting tax payers money

You really need to go READ some of the stuff the NFL/Goodell has tried or not tried/hid etc....it's full of BS just like most of you hater aid misinformation.

[IamRalpho]

No they suspended Brady ... Brady wanted to appeal ... Appeal heard ... Brady didn't like it .... Brady could have accepted the penalty and kept it out of court... NFL only filed ahead of Brady to try to get a favorable venue ... So yes it's Brady wasting tax payers money

Yes because defending yourself against a biased and ridiculous punishment as a free American citizen is a waste of money.

Keep on keeping on buddy.

[Siberian13]

Must be nothing to talk about in football.

[wheeler281]

As crappy as the NFL is and looks GODell has the power. Judges have ripped commissioners in the past in other leagues and the bottom line they can not do anything legally. Thats why the NFL is not budging in settlement. GODell hosed the Steelers for a few years and everyone thought it was good times lol. With that I would love to see him(GODell)and the league lose.

[21Pittsburgh58]

That's the thing. He doesn't need to convince YOU or the general public. He's worried about playing in the opening game of the season and beyond. It would be absolutely foolish to call a press conference while in the middle of a very serious court case that basically decides his credibility and right to play the game. He will be guilty in the court of "public opinion" no matter how this turns out. If I were him, I wouldn't give a damn about the ESPN headline readers that know nothing about this situation and that deemed him guilty from the get go either.

No matter what happens here, this will remain the stupidest "controversy" that has ever graced the national football league. Brady and the Pats wreck the opposition 90% of the time and the general public don't like them. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with the organization being held to a different standard than every other team in the league. You can say it's because of "Spygate" (equally stupid and insignificant), or prior violations (there are none), but deep down, it's because everyone wants to tear down a winner. Your team can't beat them? There must be a reason. It's probably because the TWO footballs that were slightly below the legal PSI level were in play. That must be it...

Here we go again. Another whiny, egotistical, my-team-is-better-than-your-team, conspiracy driven statement from a Patriots fan.

It really is pathetic that you believe they "wreck" their opponents 90% of the time. If this was true, they'd have more than 4 SB wins in 15 years. As your fellow Patriots fans would say to other teams fans, do some reading. Google is your friend.

The "general public" did not start this witch hunt, the NFL did. You are also incorrect that the "general public" doesn't like them, because a majority of the "general public" do not watch the NFL. You would be correct in saying that most football fans do not like the Patriots, but that's because there's 31 other franchises that root against them a majority of the time. EVERY team is actually disliked by a majority of football fans than they are liked (unless you're the Browns and no one really cares).

Your team is not held to a "different standard". They are held to the same standards as all of the other teams, the difference being, that they have been SUSPECTED of cheating numerous times. You can whine about the NFL all you want but whether or not you agree doesn't matter. It's a fact. Your crying about the *sniff* Patriots and Tom Brady getting picked on so I have to defend them in every thread *sniff* crap is over played.

"Your team can't beat them? There must be a reason." Boo hoo. Why not blame the other 31 teams for their involvement in this. BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE OTHER 31 TEAMS THAT STARTED THIS! The Ravens and Colts are the only other teams "SUSPECTED" of playing a role in Deflategate and you can't call them out because there's NO PROOF. Sound familiar?

And just so you know, the power of Roger Goodell came from the CBA agreement that was agreed upon by 31 of the teams. The ONLY team to vote against it - the Steelers/Ryan Clark. Your team voted to give Goodell the power that he has. Now it's come back to bite you in the arse. Oh well...

Whiny, pathetic, egotistical drivel. We get it. No one likes your team (even though a majority of us on BO have actually stated that this is a witch hunt). This is a FACT! I have stated it, chitownbears has stated it, twistys has stated it and you Patriots fans have certainly stated it. There are only a handful of BO members that keep calling for Brady's head. Most of us aren't.

STOP WITH THE WHINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jlzinck]

Honestly it is a sad sad testament to Brady's character to take this to court and waste tax payers money and tie up the court system with something so ridiculous. Guilty or not you mr. brady have created a sad precedence showing that games/sports and your image are far greater than real issues going on in the world that the courts should be dealing with. His narrow minded vision and thinking that he is more important than anything else is cause enough for me to not ever have any youth look up to him as someone to follow or idolize....

Just my .02 cents

Please make this point in every thread where a player did the same thing.

kthanksbye

[wheeler281]

I am hoping this causes the players to re-evaluate their vote and change the gosh darn system when the next vote comes.

[ssbledsoe]

Is everyone enjoying their hand wringing???

6 months and still no closer to a conclusion... Please direct all questions to my avatar, which will give you the answers you're looking for

[phinzphan1372]

You really need to go READ some of the stuff the NFL/Goodell has tried or not tried/hid etc....it's full of BS just like most of you hater aid misinformation.

Was brady suspended? did he appeal? was the appeal heard and denied? The NFL only filed in NY to beat Brady from filing in minny! so?..... how again is Brady not wasting tax payers money?


Please tell me how any of this is mis-information ? please do!

[wheeler281]

Is everyone enjoying their hand wringing???

6 months and still no closer to a conclusion... Please direct all questions to my avatar, which will give you the answers you're looking for

Big fan of the avatar lol Love the smirk too

[phinzphan1372]

I am hoping this causes the players to re-evaluate their vote and change the gosh darn system when the next vote comes.

maybe they wont be convinced by Kraft to negotiate the CBA without lawyers present again.......

[jlzinck]

Well here is where I am in this whole silly situation.

If the judge rules for the NFL I would like to see Brady drop it then. If he and the NFLPA want to continue then good for them as there should be some sort of punishment known when Goodell and his friends find someone at fault.

At least we have seen that the whole thing from the beginning has been a sham pushed forward by people with agendas. We have seen that the NFL made the 3 Stooges look like MENSA members.

The NFLPA has nobody to blame but themselves from here out for letting Goodell have all the power and basing punishment on fantasy.

[phinzphan1372]

The NFLPA has nobody to blame but themselves from here out for letting Goodell have all the power and basing punishment on fantasy.

its the snake oil salesman known as Kraft .... see my last post

[wheeler281]

maybe they wont be convinced by Kraft to negotiate the CBA without lawyers present again.......

That had nothing to do with it. This was voted on after all that. Everyone player rep from the the team voted yes except one

[RedSoxFan28]

Was brady suspended? did he appeal? was the appeal heard and denied? The NFL only filed in NY to beat Brady from filing in minny! so?..... how again is Brady not wasting tax payers money?


Please tell me how any of this is mis-information ? please do!

If Brady brought it to court wouldn't he be the plaintiff? Isn't the NFL the plaintiff?

[phinzphan1372]

If Brady brought it to court wouldn't he be the plaintiff? Isn't the NFL the plaintiff?

If the NFL didnt file first ... The NFLPA would have filed in Minny .... no?

[jlzinck]

If Brady brought it to court wouldn't he be the plaintiff? Isn't the NFL the plaintiff?

The NFL did file 1st

[phinzphan1372]

The NFL did file 1st

Please .... its obvious Brady was not going to take the appeal denial.... SO YES ITS HIM WASTING THE $$$$$$ but keep trying to spin and spin!

[IamRalpho]

Please .... its obvious Brady was not going to take the appeal denial.... SO YES ITS HIM WASTING THE $$$$$$ but keep trying to spin and spin!

Again, wasting his time fighting for his money and reputation?

Seriously?

The NFL's case has a ton of holes in it, so you say he shouldnt waste his time?

[jasonm2121]

Again, wasting his time fighting for his money and reputation?

Seriously?

The NFL's case has a ton of holes in it, so you say he shouldnt waste his time?

It sounds from the latest hearings that the judge is trying to nudge the NFL to get a deal done or he will favor on the side of Brady. Not sure if anyone else sees it that way but it seems like that is what he is trying to do based on what is published so far. I know the initial tweet was BS but the latest hearing is worth a new thread since the last Pats one and Brady one were out of control.

[wheeler281]

It sounds from the latest hearings that the judge is trying to nudge the NFL to get a deal done or he will favor on the side of Brady. .

He can't he has no power to do so. This whole thing is window dressing for a reputation. As it should be.

[Siberian13]

@MikeGasior 4 hours ago Just heard, Tom Brady took a poop 8.5 Courics in size. Roger Goodell helped him wipe and Robert Kraft flushed the toilet

Guess I could of started a new thread

[pac213up]

It sounds from the latest hearings that the judge is trying to nudge the NFL to get a deal done or he will favor on the side of Brady. Not sure if anyone else sees it that way but it seems like that is what he is trying to do based on what is published so far. I know the initial tweet was BS but the latest hearing is worth a new thread since the last Pats one and Brady one were out of control.

It seems that way and it is certainly the majority of opinion of the legal experts weighing in. However....how the Judge feels about the case and how he rules may be entirely different.

Ultimately his goal is to get a settlement and his tone is about moving that process forward as much as he is able to.

[Andrew Jones]

@MikeGasior 4 hours ago Just heard, Tom Brady took a poop 8.5 Courics in size. Roger Goodell helped him wipe and Robert Kraft flushed the toilet

Guess I could of started a new thread

Just make sure to put New Thread Warranted in the title and you're golden. :coffee:

[JohnRyno]

Just make sure to put New Thread Warranted in the title and you're golden. :coffee:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wafrVfb61rr55pg.gif

[jlzinck]

Please .... its obvious Brady was not going to take the appeal denial.... SO YES ITS HIM WASTING THE $$$$$$ but keep trying to spin and spin!


Take the blinders off. Plain and simple I answered a question.

The NFL filed 1st. Doesn't mean Brady would not have filed.

[jasonm2121]

Just make sure to put New Thread Warranted in the title and you're golden. :coffee:

new thread looms

[phinzphan1372]

Take the blinders off. Plain and simple I answered a question.

The NFL filed 1st. Doesn't mean Brady would not have filed.

NFL only filed as Brady authorized the NFLPA to take it higher ... they had no choice as a defensive measure.... so yes by forcing the NFL to file claim in NYC before Brady could in Minny means the blame for wasting the taxpayers money falls squarely on Brady and the NFLPA

So take your own advice jznck and

Take the blinders off.

[IamRalpho]

NFL only filed as Brady authorized the NFLPA to take it higher ... they had no choice as a defensive measure.... so yes by forcing the NFL to file claim in NYC before Brady could in Minny means the blame for wasting the taxpayers money falls squarely on Brady and the NFLPA

So take your own advice jznck and

So every time someone appeals or files a lawsuit its a waste of money right?

But only because its Tom Brady and hes obviously guilty.

[blevins26]

That's the thing. He doesn't need to convince YOU or the general public. He's worried about playing in the opening game of the season and beyond. It would be absolutely foolish to call a press conference while in the middle of a very serious court case that basically decides his credibility and right to play the game. He will be guilty in the court of "public opinion" no matter how this turns out. If I were him, I wouldn't give a damn about the ESPN headline readers that know nothing about this situation and that deemed him guilty from the get go either.

No matter what happens here, this will remain the stupidest "controversy" that has ever graced the national football league. Brady and the Pats wreck the opposition 90% of the time and the general public don't like them. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with the organization being held to a different standard than every other team in the league. You can say it's because of "Spygate" (equally stupid and insignificant), or prior violations (there are none), but deep down, it's because everyone wants to tear down a winner. Your team can't beat them? There must be a reason. It's probably because the TWO footballs that were slightly below the legal PSI level were in play. That must be it...

I actually think you are right when you say "He's worried about playing in the opening game of the season and beyond."

....and that's the problem. With Tom. With Bellichick. With Kraft. With the Patriots.

It's all about the almighty WIN. They are willing to do anything to win.

That's what this appeal is about right? It's not about whether Brady is guilty or not. It's about getting the suspension reduced to 0 games. It's strategy.

The Pats aren't having an internal conversation about whether Brady is guilty or not---they don't care and don't really want to know anyway. The conversation they ARE having is "how can we beat this and get on the field day 1. There HAS to be a loophole."

And that comes back to my original post. If this is about Tom Brady defending his innocence, then he should come out and say that. His failure to do so shows that all this is about is getting out of the punishment.

[twisty571]

Was brady suspended? did he appeal? was the appeal heard and denied? The NFL only filed in NY to beat Brady from filing in minny! so?..... how again is Brady not wasting tax payers money?


Please tell me how any of this is mis-information ? please do!

Yes he appealed and a very good point was brought up by the judge. Why wasn't Puh able to be questioned at the appeal? Goodell didn't want him to be,dude there is so many things wrong with the NFL's/Wells case it's a joke at this point. Take your blinders of hatred for the Pat's off. Your still running around in every thread making stupid comments just because you can,I didn't know addicted had 2 accounts on BO.

[phinzphan1372]

Yes he appealed and a very good point was brought up by the judge. Why wasn't Puh able to be questioned at the appeal? Goodell didn't want him to be,dude there is so many things wrong with the NFL's/Wells case it's a joke at this point. Take your blinders of hatred for the Pat's off. Your still running around in every thread making stupid comments just because you can,I didn't know addicted had 2 accounts on BO.

why not just block me and stop following me around and replying to my "stupid" comments with your own stupid comments ....

I mean really its borderline stalking at this point and I'm just not interested in you that way .... No means No.... besides don't you have some more toxins and illnesses to dish out to unsuspecting people?

[SaveMeTheGum]

I actually think you are right when you say "He's worried about playing in the opening game of the season and beyond."

....and that's the problem. With Tom. With Bellichick. With Kraft. With the Patriots.

It's all about the almighty WIN. They are willing to do anything to win.

That's what this appeal is about right? It's not about whether Brady is guilty or not. It's about getting the suspension reduced to 0 games. It's strategy.

The Pats aren't having an internal conversation about whether Brady is guilty or not---they don't care and don't really want to know anyway. The conversation they ARE having is "how can we beat this and get on the field day 1. There HAS to be a loophole."

And that comes back to my original post. If this is about Tom Brady defending his innocence, then he should come out and say that. His failure to do so shows that all this is about is getting out of the punishment.

I disagree. For Brady, it is whether or not he's found guilty, because (I believe) he is innocent. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter if the misses 1 or 2, or even 4 games. The Patriots, barring some extraordinary bad luck/injuries, will win the AFC East and will be in the playoffs.

This is a typical situation of where the wrong person is given too much power. Goodell has made some big mistakes in judgement, but none of them (not even lying about knowing what happened in the elevator with Ray Rice) have caught up with him until now. Now we see (and catch) him lying. We see the NFL conspiring through the Wells Report. Their arrogance allowed them to think they could do whatever they wanted, and now they've created a mess too big for them to brush under the rug.

Do the Patriots want to win? Of course. If that's not your goal, you shouldn't be in the league. But this issue is much more than just regular season wins and losses.

[pac213up]

And that comes back to my original post. If this is about Tom Brady defending his innocence, then he should come out and say that. His failure to do so shows that all this is about is getting out of the punishment.

https://www.facebook.com/TomBrady/posts/956989441008873

"Despite submitting to hours of testimony over the past 6 months, it is disappointing that the Commissioner upheld my suspension based upon a standard that it was “probable” that I was “generally aware” of misconduct. The fact is that neither I, nor any equipment person, did anything of which we have been accused. He dismissed my hours of testimony and it is disappointing that he found it unreliable."

[twisty571]

why not just block me and stop following me around and replying to my "stupid" comments with your own stupid comments ....

I mean really its borderline stalking at this point and I'm just not interested in you that way .... No means No.... besides don't you have some more toxins and illnesses to dish out to unsuspecting people?

err what! Your the one running around stalking anything that has to do with Brady & the Pat's and throwing out all your BS but no one is suppose to reply to it? Get real,go cry a river and you can block me also:)!

Also since you still don't know what I do for a living. I don't do anything on rigs. I run a Satellite communications company service department. Again spreading more misinformation:)!

[blevins26]

https://www.facebook.com/TomBrady/posts/956989441008873

"Despite submitting to hours of testimony over the past 6 months, it is disappointing that the Commissioner upheld my suspension based upon a standard that it was “probable” that I was “generally aware” of misconduct. The fact is that neither I, nor any equipment person, did anything of which we have been accused. He dismissed my hours of testimony and it is disappointing that he found it unreliable."


Thank you. I hadn't seen that. Admittedly, I could have educated myself better but at the same time, it doesn't seem like the news outlets focused much on this FB post either.

[phinzphan1372]

err what! Your the one running around stalking anything that has to do with Brady & the Pat's and throwing out all your BS but no one is suppose to reply to it? Get real,go cry a river and you can block me also:)!

Also since you still don't know what I do for a living. I don't do anything on rigs. I run a Satellite communications company service department. Again spreading more misinformation:)!

you support the industry ...... yeah .... same thing ......... just as guilty .... posting about thread topics is the point of a message board .... following ME around and replying to my comments is stalking .... is that spreading mis-information?

[BennyA]

you support the industry ...... yeah .... same thing ......... just as guilty .... posting about thread topics is the point of a message board .... following ME around and replying to my comments is stalking .... is that spreading mis-information?

We realize you have nothing to cheer or write about being a Dolphins fan and all but your Patriots hate is over the top, time to get a life and move on...

Signed/A Loyal Colts Fan

[twisty571]

you support the industry ...... yeah .... same thing ......... just as guilty .... posting about thread topics is the point of a message board .... following ME around and replying to my comments is stalking .... is that spreading mis-information?

Lol so you deny like the Ravens do the fact you make the same comments on the sales boards also. So I am not suppose to work? What I do is for the safety of workers also. Are you going to pay my bills and for my life? What do you do for a living? This is a thread I am posting on. The same as you.

[phinzphan1372]

Lol so you deny like the Ravens do the fact you make the same comments on the sales boards also. So I am not suppose to work? What I do is for the safety of workers also. Are you going to pay my bills and for my life? What do you do for a living? This is a thread I am posting on. The same as you.

First off the sales thread thing? ... it was an actual friends post.... we joke... you know like friends do ... maybe if you weren't full of yourself you would have seen it ... maybe you should just stop stalking me.

Im a graphic designer / media developer ... I also film depositions and model and animate 3d accident recreations also donate a giant chunk of my time and skills to helping local non-profits and charities .... if you want to come work for me ... sure ... I'll pay your bills .... got a resume?

[phinzphan1372]

We realize you have nothing to cheer or write about being a Dolphins fan and all but your Patriots hate is over the top, time to get a life and move on...

Signed/A Loyal Colts Fan

45 - 25 ... see me in a few years ... maybe

[SaveMeTheGum]

First off the sales thread thing? ... it was an actual friends post.... we joke... you know like friends do ... maybe if you weren't full of yourself you would have seen it ... maybe you should just stop stalking me.

Im a graphic designer / media developer ... I also film depositions and model and animate 3d accident recreations also donate a giant chunk of my time and skills to helping local non-profits and charities .... if you want to come work for me ... sure ... I'll pay your bills .... got a resume?

Would you say that you joke around like McNally and Jastremski did in their texts back and forth that you seem to take so literally and completely seriously?

[phreak9]

One thing I dont understand is that Pats fans are so behind Bradys pursuit and justify it because he wont quit because he is innocent yet fail to question why the NFL is so hot in its pursuit and wont quit either.

theres a smoking gun and bradys henchmen have gun powder residue on their hands and Brady claims he doesnt know what bullets (PSI) stand for and plays dumb. If it were a cop show or courtroom drama it would be cancelled after 1 episode because no one would believe the bad guy is innocent, NO ONE! oh and 'ignorance is not an excuse when youre avoiding giving up evidence and then destroying it'. Brady would have to be played by a 20 year old kid to play that dumb.

Give Judge Judy a crack at Brady and this would be over in 5 minutes. 'stop playing dumb Mr. Brady, you went to college and I dont believe you are this stupid' and 'NFL, Goodell, Mr Wells, next time you investigate try harder to get more than 'destroying evidence' to lock down a substantial suspension'

"Mr. Brady! you are suspended 2 games for failure to cooperate. What you have done to your legacy and your teams is your own fault. Ignorance is not an excuse, especially for a college educated 38 year old man"

EDIT-If this were a gang banging drug dealer who destroyed his phone youd get it in a second, somehow when its your QB you dont.

[twisty571]

One thing I dont understand is that Pats fans are so behind Bradys pursuit and justify it because he wont quit because he is innocent yet fail to question why the NFL is so hot in its pursuit and wont quit either.

So the $5m investigation that was suppose to be unbias and independent at 1st,then at the appeal it wasn't suppose to be according to Goodell & then when he was called out about it he flipped his script isn't a reason for him trying to save face?

[SaveMeTheGum]

One thing I dont understand is that Pats fans are so behind Bradys pursuit and justify it because he wont quit because he is innocent yet fail to question why the NFL is so hot in its pursuit and wont quit either.
.


In other words: How is it possible for people to only see things from their side, and not only see things from my side?

[phreak9]

In other words: How is it possible for people to only see things from their side, and not only see things from my side?

I do see it from your side in that 1 regard but I also see it from the NFL/Goodell/Wells side and they are right. Any court or police department looks at impeding an investigation and destroying evidence as a sign of guilt. So understanding your side is trumped in 1 SECOND (!!!!) by basic logic.

[phinzphan1372]

Would you say that you joke around like McNally and Jastremski did in their texts back and forth that you seem to take so literally and completely seriously?

Are you asking me for my phone? ...

[phreak9]

Are you asking me for my phone? ...

Destroy it. no one will think you are hiding anything. you destroy your phones all the time when asked for them, even under special circumstances like an investigation that could damage your career or save it. then play stupid when asked about it. it clearly works!!

[pac213up]

One thing I dont understand is that Pats fans are so behind Bradys pursuit and justify it because he wont quit because he is innocent yet fail to question why the NFL is so hot in its pursuit and wont quit either.

theres a smoking gun and bradys henchmen have gun powder residue on their hands and Brady claims he doesnt know what bullets (PSI) stand for and plays dumb. If it were a cop show or courtroom drama it would be cancelled after 1 episode because no one would believe the bad guy is innocent, NO ONE! oh and 'ignorance is not an excuse when youre avoiding giving up evidence and then destroying it'. Brady would have to be played by a 20 year old kid to play that dumb.

Give Judge Judy a crack at Brady and this would be over in 5 minutes. 'stop playing dumb Mr. Brady, you went to college and I dont believe you are this stupid' and 'NFL, Goodell, Mr Wells, next time you investigate try harder to get more than 'destroying evidence' to lock down a substantial suspension'

"Mr. Brady! you are suspended 2 games for failure to cooperate. What you have done to your legacy and your teams is your own fault. Ignorance is not an excuse, especially for a college educated 38 year old man"

EDIT-If this were a gang banging drug dealer who destroyed his phone youd get it in a second, somehow when its your QB you dont.

One thing I do not understand is given how incompetent the NFL bas been in these situations and given that Goodell had to lie in his appeal findings, is how anyone can trust anything coming from the NFL. The same NFL that was not aware a ball PSI could be impacted by cold weather.

[phinzphan1372]

Destroy it. no one will think you are hiding anything. you destroy your phones all the time when asked for them, even under special circumstances like an investigation that could damage your career or save it. then play stupid when asked about it. it clearly works!!

Right! .... Any way Gummy .... Here it is ... I'm innocent you can check all the texts you want to prove we are friends .... But don't go opening my WIckr, CoverMe or Signal apps .... That's what somebody would use to send texts to people when They know there is no chance to recover the texts if they were ever to be investigated for any thing... Hmmmmm just Maybe ....

[BostonNut]

Tom Brady donated $50,000 to the Jimmy Fund the other day.

Anyway...carry on...pitchfork and torch and such...

[SaveMeTheGum]

Right! .... Any way Gummy .... Here it is ... I'm innocent you can check all the texts you want to prove we are friends .... But don't go opening my WIckr, CoverMe or Signal apps .... That's what somebody would use to send texts to people when They know there is no chance to recover the texts if they were ever to be investigated for any thing... Hmmmmm just Maybe ....

I think you guys are missing the point of my question. But that doesn't surprise me.

[fullmetal]

Ban him from the NFL for life and disband the Patriots' organization.

[pac213up]

Why did the NFL not allow an independent investigation and then have to edit the report they claimed initially was independent? Not suspicious at all.

[phreak9]

One thing I do not understand is given how incompetent the NFL bas been in these situations and given that Goodell had to lie in his appeal findings, is how anyone can trust anything coming from the NFL. The same NFL that was not aware a ball PSI could be impacted by cold weather.

this coming winter drive 1,000 miles in a month and let me know if your car tire PSI changes even 2 PSI. I think everyone knows weather can change PSI but the drastic amount Pats fans are alleging had to have happened borders on impossible.

I dont blame Pats fans for believing in Brady because for everything I read about the investigation that makes Brady look bad there appears to be a report from a random Patriot website or Boston media that just says the exact opposite. They just took the story and flipped it with no real flair or believability. Youve all been insulated by your Boston media. Local media can report or make up nearly anything they want. I noticed this being from WI and how the media makes up stuff about Scott Walker. Im independent and i dont really like the guy but stuff can be made up and reported about him while he did similar things Obama has done and since its not national media it gets put out there with limited scrutiny and fact checking.

Pats fans have a perfect spoon fed story for every single Brady allegation. Local state media can make up whatever they want with less scrutiny than national media. Start questioning it. Its a little too convenient they have a simple minded counter story for every allegation, dont you think? Why is what you read and hear supporting Brady not national news? Cant hold up to the scrutiny and fact checking maybe?

If im wrong I will apologize. Im done with the witch hunt and im ready for the regular season and would like this whole thing to end.

[phreak9]

Why did the NFL not allow an independent investigation and then have to edit the report they claimed initially was independent? Not suspicious at all.

so the criminal who destroyed evidence and impeded the investigation is more believable than an in house investigation team picked by the police? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

[phinzphan1372]

this coming winter drive 1,000 miles in a month and let me know if your car tire PSI changes even 2 PSI. I think everyone knows weather can change PSI but the drastic amount Pats fans are alleging had to have happened borders on impossible.

I dont blame Pats fans for believing in Brady because for everything I read about the investigation that makes Brady look bad there appears to be a report from a random Patriot website or Boston media that just says the exact opposite. They just took the story and flipped it with no real flair or believability. Youve all been insulated by your Boston media. Local media can report or make up nearly anything they want. I noticed this being from WI and how the media makes up stuff about Scott Walker. Im independent and i dont really like the guy but stuff can be made up and reported about him while he did similar things Obama has done and since its not national media it gets put out there with limited scrutiny and fact checking.

Pats fans have a perfect spoon fed story for every single Brady allegation. Local state media can make up whatever they want with less scrutiny than national media. Start questioning it. Its a little too convenient they have a simple minded counter story for every allegation, dont you think? Why is what you read and hear supporting Brady not national news? Cant hold up to the scrutiny and fact checking maybe?

If im wrong I will apologize. Im done with the witch hunt and im ready for the regular season and would like this whole thing to end.

They get all their info from weei .... what else do you expect in the Boston Bubble?

[pac213up]

this coming winter drive 1,000 miles in a month and let me know if your car tire PSI changes even 2 PSI. I think everyone knows weather can change PSI but the drastic amount Pats fans are alleging had to have happened borders on impossible.


One ball fell 2PSI with one of the needles. With the needle the ref said he most likely used the balls fall within expectations of exponents findings. Of course the NFL dismissed what the ref said and decided to use the reading of the other needle.

Even using the readings of the needle the NFL said the ref used...the PSI was only .2-.4 Max below expectations. So Tom Brady is going through all this for less than .5 PSI? Makes sense. There is plenty of science out there that has explained the flaws of Exponents findings.

Pressure gauge discrepancies undermine Wells report | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/pressure-gauge-discrepancies-undermine-wells-report/)

*Please note...no WEEI links. LOL

Scientist finds 'glaring omission' in Deflategate report | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-scientist-050715)

The NFL's Dumbass Deflategate Science Report Is A Feature, Not A Bug (http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-nfls-dumbass-science-report-is-a-feature-not-a-bug-1722289874)

[pac213up]

so the criminal who destroyed evidence and impeded the investigation is more believable than an in house investigation team picked by the police? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

We are not talking about the police, we are talking about the NFL. The police would not lie about an investigation being independent when it is not. The Chief of police would not lie about what a suspect said in testimony.

[strngmn]

One ball fell 2PSI with one of the needles. With the needle the ref said he most likely used the balls fall within expectations of exponents findings. Of course the NFL dismissed what the ref said and decided to use the reading of the other needle.

Even using the readings of the needle the NFL said the ref used...the PSI was only .2-.4 Max below expectations. So Tom Brady is going through all this for less than .5 PSI? Makes sense. There is plenty of science out there that has explained the flaws of Exponents findings.

Pressure gauge discrepancies undermine Wells report | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/pressure-gauge-discrepancies-undermine-wells-report/)

Scientist finds 'glaring omission' in Deflategate report | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-scientist-050715)

The NFL's Dumbass Deflategate Science Report Is A Feature, Not A Bug (http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-nfls-dumbass-science-report-is-a-feature-not-a-bug-1722289874)

Here's a dumb question. Forget the NFL, why didn't Belichek know about PSI pressure? This is the football guru who knew the rule book cover to cover, calculated for every aspect of the game, and he had no clue the ball loses pressure throughout the game? Brady, who needed every ball to be filled just so and texted the ball guy non-stop, never noticed the ball loses pressure from the beginning of the game to the end? No one in Buffalo, Cleveland, Green Bay, ever noticed this? Heck, how about Miami or New Orleans -- they play in warm weather/domes. When they travel north in the winter, they never noticed the ball losing pressure?

[fullmetal]

The guy and the team are cheaters. Why so much time and energy debating it?

[phinzphan1372]

Tom Brady donated $50,000 to the Jimmy Fund the other day.

Anyway...carry on...pitchfork and torch and such...

So... lets see... one side will say its a PR stunt, one side will say its generous and one side will say he and his wife are basically in the Three Comma Club and all he gave was $50k

[phinzphan1372]

The guy and the team are cheaters. Why so much time and energy debating it?

Its fun to stir the pot :D

[phinzphan1372]

*Please note...no WEEI links. LOL


Touche! .......

[jasonm2121]

Here's a dumb question. Forget the NFL, why didn't Belichek know about PSI pressure? This is the football guru who knew the rule book cover to cover, calculated for every aspect of the game, and he had no clue the ball loses pressure throughout the game? Brady, who needed every ball to be filled just so and texted the ball guy non-stop, never noticed the ball loses pressure from the beginning of the game to the end? No one in Buffalo, Cleveland, Green Bay, ever noticed this? Heck, how about Miami or New Orleans -- they play in warm weather/domes. When they travel north in the winter, they never noticed the ball losing pressure?

People probably notice but just don't give a #@#@#@#@.

[jasonm2121]

Oh and also the Patriots just seem to be in people's heads more than anyone else. Remarkable really.

[pac213up]

Here's a dumb question. Forget the NFL, why didn't Belichek know about PSI pressure? This is the football guru who knew the rule book cover to cover, calculated for every aspect of the game, and he had no clue the ball loses pressure throughout the game? Brady, who needed every ball to be filled just so and texted the ball guy non-stop, never noticed the ball loses pressure from the beginning of the game to the end? No one in Buffalo, Cleveland, Green Bay, ever noticed this? Heck, how about Miami or New Orleans -- they play in warm weather/domes. When they travel north in the winter, they never noticed the ball losing pressure?

I am sure players noticed a difference in the ball. I noticed as a 12 year old playing basketball outside. I do not think players care about it as much as fans think they do once a game starts.

[RogerGodahell]

Weren't we all experts about ball psi and pre game procedures and how they handle the footballs before ''this incident''? Of course we were.....

[phreak9]

One ball fell 2PSI with one of the needles. With the needle the ref said he most likely used the balls fall within expectations of exponents findings. Of course the NFL dismissed what the ref said and decided to use the reading of the other needle.

Even using the readings of the needle the NFL said the ref used...the PSI was only .2-.4 Max below expectations. So Tom Brady is going through all this for less than .5 PSI? Makes sense. There is plenty of science out there that has explained the flaws of Exponents findings.

Pressure gauge discrepancies undermine Wells report | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/pressure-gauge-discrepancies-undermine-wells-report/)

*Please note...no WEEI links. LOL

Scientist finds 'glaring omission' in Deflategate report | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-scientist-050715)

The NFL's Dumbass Deflategate Science Report Is A Feature, Not A Bug (http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-nfls-dumbass-science-report-is-a-feature-not-a-bug-1722289874)

Im reading these 1 by 1. The last link was written by a PhD in Applied Probability and Statistics from Cornell University and works in quantitative finance who has never written anything football related besides this 1 article. Ill read that later when i can properly follow it word for word number by number and gauge any bias. Im watching Grandmas Boy right now.

Im still wrapping my head around all the data in the articles and checking on who wrote them. Say all 3 articles are completely accurate. Then why did the Patriots accept the $ fine, the draft pick penalty, dismiss the 2 deflators, and then Brady refuse to give up the phone and then destroy it when you have all this data and info on your side? It doesnt add up. Why act completely guilty when you have all this evidence supporting your innocence?

EDIT-It appears the Patriots know exactly what the deflators did based on their acceptance of fines and their dismissal of the deflators. Keeping Brady out of it is the only fight there really is.

[pac213up]

Im reading these 1 by 1. The last link was written by a PhD in Applied Probability and Statistics from Cornell University and works in quantitative finance who has never written anything football related besides this 1 article. Ill read that later when i can properly follow it word for word number by number and gauge any bias. Im watching Grandmas Boy right now.

Im still wrapping my head around all the data in the articles and checking on who wrote them. Say all 3 are completely accurate. Then why did the Patriots accept the $ fine, the draft pick penalty, dismiss the 2 deflators, and then Brady refuse to give up the phone and then destroy it when you have all this data and info on your side? It doesnt add up.

There are other articles as well. Why did the NFL lie about Brady's testimony, lie about conducting an independent investigation, and leak innacurate PSI readings? Does that make sense?

I cannot speak to why Kraft accepted the penalty. From his words it sounds like he thought they had an agreement and Goodell did not come through. The phone is obviously suspicious however not wanting the NFL to have access to infomation on the phone is not given the lies and leaks that have been part of this whole story. Who knows what else Brady had on that phone. Why did he even volunteer that he no longer had it when it looks incriminating? He could have just said it is his personal phone and they do not have any right to see what is on it.

They were fired because the NFL requested it.

Also the statistics is important. You would understand that better if you actually read exponents findings. They used statistics to validate their conclusions so it is sensible that the stats and science has been questioned.

[freethrowtommy]

Oh and also the Patriots just seem to be in people's heads more than anyone else. Remarkable really.

You made the thread!

The last two threads, in fact.

[ssbledsoe]

There are other articles as well. Why did the NFL lie about Brady's testimony, lie about conducting an independent investigation, and leak innacurate PSI readings? Does that make sense?

I cannot speak to why Kraft accepted the penalty. From his words it sounds like he thought they had an agreement and Goodell did not come through. The phone is obviously suspicious however not wanting the NFL to have access to infomation on the phone is not given the lies and leaks that have been part of this whole story. Who knows what else Brady had on that phone. Why did he even volunteer that he no longer had it when it looks incriminating? He could have just said it is his personal phone and they do not have any right to see what is on it.

They were fired because the NFL requested it.

Also the statistics is important. You would understand that better if you actually read exponents findings. They used statistics to validate their conclusions so it is sensible that the stats and science has been questioned.

Tom Brady's charity works with Best Buddies. It's nice that you're going back and forth with phreak9... Brades would be proud of you for entertaining him. I wonder when we'll get to see his awesome art?!

[phreak9]

There are other articles as well. Why did the NFL lie about Brady's testimony, lie about conducting an independent investigation, and leak innacurate PSI readings? Does that make sense?

I cannot speak to why Kraft accepted the penalty. From his words it sounds like he thought they had an agreement and Goodell did not come through. The phone is obviously suspicious however not wanting the NFL to have access to infomation on the phone is not given the lies and leaks that have been part of this whole story. Who knows what else Brady had on that phone. Why did he even volunteer that he no longer had it when it looks incriminating? He could have just said it is his personal phone and they do not have any right to see what is on it.

They were fired because the NFL requested it.

So Wells being an independent investigator is not an independent investigation because he wasnt independent enough? So a police chief uses someone he knows and trusts in the DEA and since they have worked together before and he is paid for his services he is not technically independent and therefore not credible? Sorry but Ill side with the DEA and Police Chief over the criminal and their guilty behavior on this one.

What was the agreement Goodell and Kraft had? 'I'll accept the fine and dismiss the deflators but dont go after Brady?'. I cant see what sort of agreement they could have that involves Kraft (and therefore the Patriot team) accepting the full $ fine, the full draft pick penalty, and dismissing the deflators. What leverage did the Pats NOT have to completely lose that situation? What did Goodell know that allowed him to completely own Kraft and the Pats? You are caught red handed and up the creek without a paddle and you know it if you are accepting all the penalties and bowing down like that. What was there to gain for Kraft? Saving Brady and the team more scrutiny maybe? Was there more info Goodell has on the Pats? What does Kraft gain by accepting all the maximum penalties?

[phreak9]

Whatever happened to the supposed video evidence that the deflators had taken the balls into a different room after the refs checked them?

if that video never existed and the balls werent deflated why accept all the penalties to the fullest extent? im innocent but i will accept your full punishment without a fight. what did Kraft gain here in this negotiation with Goodell?

Edit- Why roll over and take the fines like you are completely guilty and then are shocked when the investigation continues or includes more people? Was the agreement that the investigation end? was that just what Kraft assumed? What would Kraft have been thinking here?

[phinzphan1372]

[QUOTE=phreak9;9712752] Im watching Grandmas Boy right now. /QUOTE]

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/Misc%20Albums/memes/4e8117a847f36780d2449f9b762ca16e3fc09596256e2f5e55ed623ca5ecce88_zpsdicg1a78.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/Misc%20Albums/memes/4e8117a847f36780d2449f9b762ca16e3fc09596256e2f5e55ed623ca5ecce88_zpsdicg1a78.jpg.html)

[RogerGodahell]

That's all fine and dandy but Goodell should have let a neutral arbitrator hear the appeal. Yea yea I know he had the authority but he's never used it before. To me that shows he's hiding something himself... if your so confident your ruling will stand let a neutral party hear both sides. Why wouldn't you? He always has before

[phinzphan1372]

Whatever happened to the supposed video evidence that the deflators had taken the balls into a different room after the refs checked them?

if that video never existed and the balls werent deflated why accept all the penalties to the fullest extent? im innocent but i will accept your full punishment without a fight. what did Kraft gain here in this negotiation with Goodell?

it will be spun into Kraft got duped into conceding for a lighter "sentence" on brady ... or it was just to help put and end to it .... or it was because he's an owner and can't go against the league .... could never be because there was any scum-baggery at play

[pac213up]

it will be spun into Kraft got duped into conceding for a lighter "sentence" on brady ... or it was just to help put and end to it .... or it was because he's an owner and can't go against the league .... could never be because there was any scum-baggery at play

So Kraft is a liar too?

[phreak9]

So Kraft is a liar too?

He admitted cheating at least twice now. Spygate and Deflategate.

Im sure liar is in there somewhere.

[phinzphan1372]

So Kraft is a liar too?

"And who the cap fit, let them wear it!" - Marley

[twisty571]

So Wells being an independent investigator is not an independent investigation because he wasnt independent enough?

So if he was independent then why did his office be the ones to defend the NFL and act as the mediation in the appeal? They were the lawyers used for Goodell in the appeal. That is when Goodell said they didn't have to be independent but when he was called out about it he flipped his story again and said they were independent. But I have no clue why everyone is filling you & Phinz in again as all this has been gone over & linked numerous times thru all of these threads. So since you to seem to want to be the biggest voice of all this why don't you 2 actually provide some evidence or something credible the NFL has said or done thru this whole fiasco besides the fact Brady didn't turn his phone over under instructions from his lawyer. Also why would they need it? They had the other phones with both sides of the convo. They had numerous emails & phone records from Brady they conveniently didn't want mentioned & actually wanted all the records sealed. Why would they want to do that? Because they are just trying to cover their own a$$. It has been proven Wells uses that scientist he used in the Wells report for other cases & pays him basically to go along with what ever he has said. The NFL paid Wells $3m to make the case against Brady not trying to do an independent report. They spent $5m on that investigation to only come up with he probably knew. The science has been disproven and it is a lie 11 of the 12 balls were under inflated. It was 3 and that is the same amount of balls the Colts had under inflated and they were both underinflated by the same margins. Why aren't the Colts & Luck involved in the same crap the Pat's & Brady are? Why don't the both of you actual say something that really means something about the case rather than believe blindly what Goodell is saying or the teams involved like the Colts and Ravens. Hell the Ravens completely deny they even tipped the Colts about it. lol

[SaveMeTheGum]

this coming winter drive 1,000 miles in a month and let me know if your car tire PSI changes even 2 PSI. I think everyone knows weather can change PSI but the drastic amount Pats fans are alleging had to have happened borders on impossible.

I dont blame Pats fans for believing in Brady because for everything I read about the investigation that makes Brady look bad there appears to be a report from a random Patriot website or Boston media that just says the exact opposite. They just took the story and flipped it with no real flair or believability. Youve all been insulated by your Boston media. Local media can report or make up nearly anything they want. I noticed this being from WI and how the media makes up stuff about Scott Walker. Im independent and i dont really like the guy but stuff can be made up and reported about him while he did similar things Obama has done and since its not national media it gets put out there with limited scrutiny and fact checking.

Pats fans have a perfect spoon fed story for every single Brady allegation. Local state media can make up whatever they want with less scrutiny than national media. Start questioning it. Its a little too convenient they have a simple minded counter story for every allegation, dont you think? Why is what you read and hear supporting Brady not national news? Cant hold up to the scrutiny and fact checking maybe?

If im wrong I will apologize. Im done with the witch hunt and im ready for the regular season and would like this whole thing to end.

Tire technology has a little more engineering in it than football bladder technology. But test you tire pressure, then drive 50 miles and immediately test it again. You'll note a significant change. Of course, this has nothing to do with a football. Also, I think you might be a little crazy.

[phreak9]

Tire technology has a little more engineering in it than football bladder technology. But test you tire pressure, then drive 50 miles and immediately test it again. You'll note a significant change. Of course, this has nothing to do with a football. Also, I think you might be a little crazy.

im not crazy. dude have you seen some of the thing pats fans have said in comments sections on news articles about this? ive heard everything except alien involvement. i cant figure out where they get this 'information'.

Bill Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY_QZKt1NI


you should be able to find many more scientists that agree with Bill Nye than with the Pats. I didnt have to spend more than a minute thinking about whether or not the balls could deflate that much in a half or even a whole game. youre on 6 months.

[phreak9]

Kraft accepted the full fines and penalties handed down by Goodell and dismissed the ball boys, without negotiating lighter fines and penalties, because the balls werent deflated and Goodell had faulty information.

That is what Patriots fans accept and believe.



Edit-I apologize for being rude but I feel like im the attorney for the defense, playing devils advocate and sometimes just saying things for a different perspective. Im sticking to my guns on this but overall its football, Its from last year and im over it. We are all hobbyists, on this forum because we have something in common. I wish nothing but the best for you all~! Its the internet and we are talking trash.

[ssbledsoe]

Kraft accepted the full fines and penalties handed down by Goodell and dismissed the ball boys, without negotiating lighter fines and penalties, because the balls werent deflated and Goodell had faulty information.

That is what Patriots fans accept and believe.



Edit-I apologize for being rude but I feel like im the attorney for the defense, playing devils advocate and sometimes just saying things for a different perspective. Im sticking to my guns on this but overall its football, Its from last year and im over it. We are all hobbyists, on this forum because we have something in common. I wish nothing but the best for you all~! Its the internet and we are talking trash.

When do we get to see your "art"? Are your shows coming out before or after your mom buys your more cards???

[chitownbears22]

My favorite part so far is when Phreak said that a Phd from Cornell wasn't a reliable source because he has never done anything related to football:

The last link was written by a PhD in Applied Probability and Statistics from Cornell University and works in quantitative finance who has never written anything football related besides this 1 article.

And then tries to prove his point by linking us to a video of Bill Nye, a guy with a Masters Degree who has never done any work related to football...

im not crazy. dude have you seen some of the thing pats fans have said in comments sections on news articles about this? ive heard everything except alien involvement. i cant figure out where they get this 'information'.

Bill Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY_QZKt1NI


you should be able to find many more scientists that agree with Bill Nye than with the Pats. I didnt have to spend more than a minute thinking about whether or not the balls could deflate that much in a half or even a whole game. youre on 6 months.

Never change Phreak, Blowout needs hypocrites like you...

[phinzphan1372]

Never change #pinkhatnation, Blowout needs hypocrites like you...

Fixed it to you ......

[chitownbears22]

There is 100% chance addicted36 is reading this and freaking out. Most likely going on a racist/sexist rant in his head. Hope he gets the medical attention he needs.

[pac213up]

im not crazy. dude have you seen some of the thing pats fans have said in comments sections on news articles about this? ive heard everything except alien involvement. i cant figure out where they get this 'information'.

Bill Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY_QZKt1NI


you should be able to find many more scientists that agree with Bill Nye than with the Pats. I didnt have to spend more than a minute thinking about whether or not the balls could deflate that much in a half or even a whole game. youre on 6 months.

The obvious problem (if you actually read the Wells Report you would know this) is that the Wells report proved Nye was full of it. Notice how he did not actually take any readings....notice how he used the attention to push his climate change agenda.

Here is a far more scientific approached. Still not perfect though, as none of it is, because the NFL did not record accurate enough data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

[ssbledsoe]

My favorite part so far is when Phreak said that a Phd from Cornell wasn't a reliable source because he has never done anything related to football:



And then tries to prove his point by linking us to a video of Bill Nye, a guy with a Masters Degree who has never done any work related to football...



Never change Phreak, Blowout needs hypocrites like you...

Kudos to you for actually reading what he typed. Better man than I...

[Ray27Ray52]

Kudos to you for actually reading what he typed. Better man than I...

Agreed. All I ever see is hieroglyphics in all of his posts.

[ssbledsoe]

Agreed. All I ever see is hieroglyphics in all of his posts.

Well, they constantly change too. He edits posts like he should be editing his crappy film/TV miniseries/poo porn or whatever it is he actually "produces"...
So, you never really know what point he's trying to convey unless everything gets quoted and there's literally a trail to follow. Personally, I don't bother trying to figure out each slight little variation of, "I hate the Pats" he's written this time....

[Ray27Ray52]

Well, they constantly change too. He edits posts like he should be editing his crappy film/TV miniseries/poo porn or whatever it is he actually "produces"...
So, you never really know what point he's trying to convey unless everything gets quoted and there's literally a trail to follow. Personally, I don't bother trying to figure out each slight little variation of, "I hate the Pats" he's written this time....

I just imagine him frantically hitting keys and pressing enter. Then he goes back and reads what he wrote and even he can't understand it. So he attempts an edit to at least make it semi-coherent and instead it just becomes an even more convoluted mess.

[jasonm2121]

You made the thread!

The last two threads, in fact.

3rd one looms, around Sept. 4th perhaps

[lobo_hacker]

...We are all hobbyists, on this forum because we have something in common...

-We have nothing in common other than that which every human has in common with one another. The commonality stops there.

lobo_hacker, who was serenaded by a crazy old guy on the sidewalk last night and briefly thought about taking the guy to dinner

[SaveMeTheGum]

im not crazy. dude have you seen some of the thing pats fans have said in comments sections on news articles about this? ive heard everything except alien involvement. i cant figure out where they get this 'information'.

Bill Nye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY_QZKt1NI


you should be able to find many more scientists that agree with Bill Nye than with the Pats. I didnt have to spend more than a minute thinking about whether or not the balls could deflate that much in a half or even a whole game. youre on 6 months.

I take it that you did not read the AEI report...

[bedler]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?? I was right all along. What a trash witch hunt the NFL went on. Garroppolo cards about to plummet.

//If this report is true



Did Rodgers cards plummet when Favre couldn't make up his mind?

Garoppolo cards will drop some but not plummet. Problem is 90% of people that's buying Jimmy right now wants a quick flip and Garoppolo is somebody to hold for the future. My investment is for the long term but I sell a few just to buy more Jimmys or HOF/Star Duals. Its stupid to sell if he plays for a few games unless you need the $$. I bet all those guys that didn't hold their Rodgers regret it now.

[twisty571]

Did Rodgers cards plummet when Favre couldn't make up his mind?

Garoppolo cards will drop some but not plummet. Problem is 90% of people that's buying Jimmy right now wants a quick flip and Garoppolo is somebody to hold for the future. My investment is for the long term but I sell a few just to buy more Jimmys or HOF/Star Duals. Its stupid to sell if he plays for a few games unless you need the $$. I bet all those guys that didn't hold their Rodgers regret it now.

Shoot a lot of people have been sold to early. For me it was Brady. I had a sweet collection of auto RC's & RC's and duals auto's/triple auto's but I had decided to get into motorcycles and sold all of them for roughly half what they are now:mad:

[bedler]

Yeah that "knowing when and when not to sell" is always a challenge.

Dont you wish you could see the future.... Lol

[SaveMeTheGum]

Yeah that "knowing when and when not to sell" is always a challenge.

Dont you wish you could see the future.... Lol


I always imagine myself in 2001 buying every Brady rookie I could find, and then retiring around January 2007...

[bedler]

Lol..... Yeah no doubt

I know where your going if a time machine ever comes out on the market.... Lol

[pac213up]

Recent court transcript.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2291304/deflategate-hearing-transcript.pdf

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 4h4 hours ago
Just finished reading the Wed #Deflategate hearing transcript.
Woof. Worse-sounding for NFL than original reports.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Recent court transcript.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2291304/deflategate-hearing-transcript.pdf

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 4h4 hours ago
Just finished reading the Wed #Deflategate hearing transcript.
Woof. Worse-sounding for NFL than original reports.

Nice, some light reading for tonight...

[twisty571]

Nice, some light reading for tonight...

Jesus I was going to go to bed hours ago but decided to read this. From that I read and as I believed they really couldn't find anything against Brady and they state the only reason for that is they didn't have his phone. The NFL basically pleads that Goodell can basically do what ever he wants.

[pac213up]

Law professors give opinions on Tom Brady's appeal | Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/bob-glauber/law-professors-give-opinions-on-tom-brady-s-appeal-1.10765060)

[freethrowtommy]

Jesus I was going to go to bed hours ago but decided to read this. From that I read and as I believed they really couldn't find anything against Brady and they state the only reason for that is they didn't have his phone. The NFL basically pleads that Goodell can basically do what ever he wants.

To be fair, the CBA basically granted him that right.

The players better fight to fix that in the next one.

[pac213up]

Jesus I was going to go to bed hours ago but decided to read this. From that I read and as I believed they really couldn't find anything against Brady and they state the only reason for that is they didn't have his phone. The NFL basically pleads that Goodell can basically do what ever he wants.

Like Kessler said on avg they were talking about footballs that fell 2/10's of a PSI below the scientific expectations that Exponent was using - if the ref used the needle he said he did not. If he used the needle he said he did then the balls were all within spec.

The NFL front office has people that dislike the Pats...that is well known. These clowns had no idea about ball pressure and how weather can effect PSI before this situation. The clowns got ahead of themselves with their agenda and have been exposed for what they are.

[pac213up]

To be fair, the CBA basically granted him that right.

The players better fight to fix that in the next one.

The CBA grants him the right as long as Federal Law is followed. That is the issue the NFL is facing now. Legally it will be interesting to see how it plays out if no settlement is reached. I would imagine the players are going to push hard for changes next CBA either way to ensure a more fair arbitration process. To be honest I would not be surprised to see the owners do it on their own. There is no way they want to keep seeing all these situations go to court.

[freethrowtommy]

The CBA grants him the right as long as Federal Law is followed. That is the issue the NFL is facing now. Legally it will be interesting to see how it plays out if no settlement is reached. I would imagine the players are going to push hard for changes next CBA either way to ensure a more fair arbitration process. To be honest I would not be surprised to see the owners do it on their own. There is no way they want to keep seeing all these situations go to court.

I don't think suspending a player violated any Federal Laws. Players get suspended without legal punishment all the time.

[chitownbears22]

I don't think suspending a player violated any Federal Laws. Players get suspended without legal punishment all the time.

The suspension did not equal the punishment, is part of what is being fought.

[pac213up]

I don't think suspending a player violated any Federal Laws. Players get suspended without legal punishment all the time.

Deflategate Legal Questions (http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-questions/)

[phinzphan1372]

The CBA grants him the right as long as Federal Law is followed. That is the issue the NFL is facing now. Legally it will be interesting to see how it plays out if no settlement is reached. I would imagine the players are going to push hard for changes next CBA either way to ensure a more fair arbitration process. To be honest I would not be surprised to see the owners do it on their own. There is no way they want to keep seeing all these situations go to court.

And maybe the players will be smart enough not to be duped by the silver tongue snake oil sales man known as Kraft into negotiating the CBA without lawyers this time around ?????

Would be kinda funny to see the owners take it into their own hands when one of the owners is mostly responsible for the way it is now

[pac213up]

And maybe the players will be smart enough not to be duped by the silver tongue snake oil sales man known as Kraft into negotiating the CBA without lawyers this time around ?????

Would be kinda funny to see the owners take it into their own hands when one of the owners is mostly responsible for the way it is now

I am not sure anyone was duped into anything. Goodell has had most of his big penalties overturned by an arbitrator or judge. What has happened is the NFL thought they had more power than they did and Goodell is pushing the line as hard as he can.

Deflategate Legal Questions (http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-questions/)

Doesn’t the most recent Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) allow Roger Goodell to be completely unfair, given his role of investigator, judge and appellate judge?

No. No. No. No. Please people stop saying that. It is a commonly held view that is often parroted by people who should know better.

The powers that the commissioner has are not new. These were in the previous CBAs. It appears as though after the CBA was finalized, Goodell has substantially increased punishments in ways that the NFLPA likely did not contemplate. The Bountygate mess is the first example of that in 2012.

That said, the NFLPA is not arguing that the CBA process is unfair but rather that the NFL failed to follow the CBA and NFL rules as they are written and understood under labor law.

Businesses and unions negotiate CBAs to have a common understanding of their business arrangements. Every single situation can’t be baked into a these agreements, so labor law fills in the blanks for when disputes happen. Labor law is a very specialized area of the law, and the labor law involving sports and the NFL is even more specialized.

[RedSoxFan28]

Joe Thomas of Cleveland Browns backs Tom Brady, rips NFL witch hunts (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13494837/joe-thomas-cleveland-browns-backs-tom-brady-rips-nfl-witch-hunts)

[phreak9]

When do we get to see your "art"? Are your shows coming out before or after your mom buys your more cards???

Dude i'll send you a PM when my movie is up. these things take months and years!
now shut up about it and quit swinging at my nuts/low blows!

[phreak9]

-We have nothing in common other than that which every human has in common with one another. The commonality stops there.

we collect sports cards/auto's etc, likely have a few players we both like in common. those are just a couple obvious ones. why on earth would i even have to point that out. stunning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[phreak9]

i have to differentiate between character dialogue and story breakdowns and internet rants. they are entirely different. i edit my posts for various reasons associated with writing. could be as simple as a misspelling or 2. you know how mush i love explaining things to you dont you ssbledsoe! i hear youre over 30. color me shocked! i had you pegged for an 18 year old high school dropout with a learning disability and meth problems based on all your witty and insightful remarks. thats your street corner though! you own it! trick

i admit i have a hard time looking into much of this brady stuff anymore. i dont know if i have gotten the same info from pats fans twice in a row! i pretty much tune it all out. 1 ball was underinflated and it was a colts ball, 3 balls for the pats and 3 for the colts were underinflated, only 1 was was underinflated for the pats. one of the gauges were off by .4 and maybe they used it or maybe they didnt but they didnt record the time they recorded it anyway. AND ALIENS!!!!! Also this one guy who no one has ever heard of and has never written an article before or since says in the one he did write that the Pats didnt cheat. GREAT!

I just keep questioning why Kraft would cave and take the full punishments without looking into any of this first. The Wells report and pats haters and deflategate deniers can say whatever they want but the actions of Kraft and Brady are those of guilty people. Attack the method to undervalue and undermine the findings. It just looks guilty.

Is anyone else besides Florio on PFT writing PRO Pats articles? I ask because he is the owner and would want to Fair and Balance it up to pander for $$$$. I ask because i read 2 very aggressive PRO PATS articles on PFT and both happened to be written by Florio, the owner.

[Ray27Ray52]

i have to differentiate between character dialogue and story breakdowns and internet rants. they are entirely different. i edit my posts for various reasons associated with writing. could be as simple as a misspelling or 2. you know how mush i love explaining things to you dont you ssbledsoe! i hear youre over 30. color me shocked! i had you pegged for an 18 year old high school dropout with a learning disability and meth problems based on all your witty and insightful remarks. thats your street corner though! you own it! trick

i admit i have a hard time looking into much of this brady stuff anymore. i dont know if i have gotten the same info from pats fans twice in a row! i pretty much tune it all out. 1 ball was underinflated and it was a colts ball, 3 balls for the pats and 3 for the colts were underinflated, only 1 was was underinflated for the pats. one of the gauges were off by .4 and maybe they used it or maybe they didnt but they didnt record the time they recorded it anyway. AND ALIENS!!!!! Also this one guy who no one has ever heard of and has never written an article before or since says in the one he did write that the Pats didnt cheat. GREAT!

I just keep questioning why Kraft would cave and take the full punishments without looking into any of this first. The Wells report and pats haters and deflategate deniers can say whatever they want but the actions of Kraft and Brady are those of guilty people. Attack the method to undervalue and undermine the findings. It just looks guilty.

Is anyone else besides Florio on PFT writing PRO Pats articles? I ask because he is the owner and would want to Fair and Balance it up to pander for $$$$. I ask because i read 2 very aggressive PRO PATS articles on PFT and both happened to be written by Florio, the owner.

http://www.republicmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Blah-Blah-Blah.jpg

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Is anyone else besides Florio on PFT writing PRO Pats articles? I ask because he is the owner and would want to Fair and Balance it up to pander for $$$$. I ask because i read 2 very aggressive PRO PATS articles on PFT and both happened to be written by Florio, the owner.

Quite a few but it is obvious you are really not following along with what has happened. You are concerned with Brady and Kraft but not Goodell...the only guy that has been caught 100% in a lie.

Deflategate has never been about footballs ? so what, exactly, is the NFL up to? (http://theconversation.com/deflategate-has-never-been-about-footballs-so-what-exactly-is-the-nfl-up-to-46119)

Deflategate Legal Questions (http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-questions/)

https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/deflategate-judge-doesnt-seem-likely-to-rubber-stamp-roger-goodells-decisions/2015/08/21/034f8a26-4747-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html

https://twitter.com/Prof_Holland

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflate-gate-is-rotting-roger-goodell-s-spoils-of-lockout-victory-064322873.html

Judge Berman criticizes NFL's case against Tom Brady - NFL - SI.com (http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/08/19/deflategate-hearing-tom-brady-roger-goodell-richard-berman)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/the-nfls-basic-due-process-is-the-real-issue-in-the-deflategate-controversy/2015/07/30/ebda3b02-3666-11e5-9d0f-7865a67390ee_story.html

[jasonm2121]

Is Goodell still involved with this? I thought he was fixing the turf in Santa Clara, no?

[lobo_hacker]

we collect sports cards/auto's etc, likely have a few players we both like in common. those are just a couple obvious ones. why on earth would i even have to point that out. stunning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Those first two things aren't true. I don't collect cards anymore. I have cards, but i don't buy them or trade them for hobby purposes. Last purchase was a decorating item for a display for someone else.

You can keep trying if you like.

lobo_hacker