Fake Ryan Tannehill Contenders Autos??

[bewareof94]

I don't know if this has been covered or not, but there was a thread a while back about possibly fake RG3 Contenders autographs circulating eBay with highly questionable signatures, so I wanted to bring this up to the boards and get opinions and see if anyone else has noticed this...

I was browsing Tannehill autos and noticed a few of the Contenders autos that have been graded (gem mint of course) that look nothing like any of his other signatures. I just find it suspicious that for both Tannehill and RG3, there are highly suspicious autographs in Contenders.

I know some will say that not all autographs are alike, and the player can get tired, but these autographs send up red flags, especially if you do your research and you see how consistent his autograph is across all 2012 products.

2012 Panini Contenders 204 Ryan Tannehill Auto RC Left Dolphins PSA 10 Hot | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204-Ryan-Tannehill-Auto-RC-Left-Dolphins-PSA-10-HOT-/181840973620?hash=item2a56910f34)

2012 Panini Contenders 204A Ryan Tannehill BGS 9 5 Auto 10 RC Dolphins Gem Mint | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204A-Ryan-Tannehill-BGS-9-5-Auto-10-RC-Dolphins-Gem-Mint-/181844047942?hash=item2a56bff846)

[HBMC]

Good find, both of those look like total crapola.

[Collectable]

He has different signatures, but haven't seen those.

[TheVolta]

Do unsigned copies of contenders often find their way to the market or something?
Also could it not be these were a couple of the last few he signed and rushed through them?

[Netenpike23]

I've noticed this too, and always thought both players were rushing. Never pulled one of either to be able to know for sure.

[chippv]

The bottom auction is a member here. You might want to ask him about the card

[Hawksmack]

Those look similar to Rg3 fakes to me. Same hand writing that's for sure. Hopefully someone more computer savy then myself could up a side by side comparison.

[adamt326]

I don't know if this has been covered or not, but there was a thread a while back about possibly fake RG3 Contenders autographs circulating eBay with highly questionable signatures, so I wanted to bring this up to the boards and get opinions and see if anyone else has noticed this...

I was browsing Tannehill autos and noticed a few of the Contenders autos that have been graded (gem mint of course) that look nothing like any of his other signatures. I just find it suspicious that for both Tannehill and RG3, there are highly suspicious autographs in Contenders.

I know some will say that not all autographs are alike, and the player can get tired, but these autographs send up red flags, especially if you do your research and you see how consistent his autograph is across all 2012 products.

2012 Panini Contenders 204 Ryan Tannehill Auto RC Left Dolphins PSA 10 Hot | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204-Ryan-Tannehill-Auto-RC-Left-Dolphins-PSA-10-HOT-/181840973620?hash=item2a56910f34)

2012 Panini Contenders 204A Ryan Tannehill BGS 9 5 Auto 10 RC Dolphins Gem Mint | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204A-Ryan-Tannehill-BGS-9-5-Auto-10-RC-Dolphins-Gem-Mint-/181844047942?hash=item2a56bff846)

After heavily investigating the RG3 mess, it has been my personal preference to avoid the weird looking Tannehills as well.

Do unsigned copies of contenders often find their way to the market or something?
Also could it not be these were a couple of the last few he signed and rushed through them?

The fake RG3s started popping up a year after release. Hundreds of them, most graded 9.5/10 with consecutive BGS serial numbers. It looks like Panini dumped the test sheets a year later after their QC replacement obligation had expired.

The bottom auction is a member here. You might want to ask him about the card

I'm sure the card has changed hands many times before it got to the current seller. Most of the RG3 originated from a few sellers down in Florida and then were sold through the usual consigners.

[adamt326]

Those look similar to Rg3 fakes to me. Same hand writing that's for sure. Hopefully someone more computer savy then myself could up a side by side comparison.


The one of the left is the real one.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=298104&stc=1&d=1440426830

[phinzphan1372]

The one of the left is the real one.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=298104&stc=1&d=1440426830

its like they didnt even try crossing the "T" .... of all the tannehill autos I have .... none look anywhere near what the middle and right ones look like

[adamt326]

While we are at it, the Wilson variations were kind of what kicked off this whole thing, there is definitely something going on with his Contenders, as well. I am also starting to wonder about Andrew Luck. Barely any of his autos look like what I pulled when Contenders came out (pictured at left), a lot of the ones I am seeing now are flatter, smaller, or more condensed. His signature is simpler than the others but the differences are there.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=298106&stc=1&d=1440428151

[Netenpike23]

The variations are no good then too, at least for rg3! I pack pulled a few rg3 autos and I can tell you the left one is his 100% I admired how cool/creative it looked.

[adamt326]

The variations are no good then too, at least for rg3! I pack pulled a few rg3 autos and I can tell you the left one is his 100% I admired how cool/creative it looked.

The RG3 and Wilson variations were what sparked this whole thing. There are way more than /50 and /25 respectively.

[Netenpike23]

:coffee: this makes me want to puke.

[adamt326]

:coffee: this makes me want to puke.

I guess the thing to be thankful for is that the greedy and dishonest people who ended up with the test sheets signed them all and they were terrible at forgery. You can still tell which are real.

[Netenpike23]

I guess the thing to be thankful for is that the greedy and dishonest people who ended up with the test sheets signed them all and they were terrible at forgery. You can still tell which are real.

I just checked my cards, and was worried about my Wilson but it looks ok. Thank goodness they are awful signatures! Great research. I wonder if they did any others, like T Rich, Osweiller, that aren't as big of a money maker, but they probably had those cards too.

[gingerscards]

I Pulled these myself and had graded, so both are real ones

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/10997390005_922c4eafa1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/hKNuUv)PB220017 (https://flic.kr/p/hKNuUv) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5532/10997607283_45c2d09e53_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/hKPBuF)PB220007 (https://flic.kr/p/hKPBuF) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7419/9021944288_d367765bc2_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/eKePHA)DSC02923 (https://flic.kr/p/eKePHA) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

[adamt326]

I Pulled these myself and had graded, so both are real ones

Yours look good. Nice stuff.

[HBMC]

I'll have to look at my RGIII that I pulled out of BoF, the amount of straight up scumbags that are out to grift for a buck is really pretty embarrassing in this hobby.

[bewareof94]

While we are at it, the Wilson variations were kind of what kicked off this whole thing, there is definitely something going on with his Contenders, as well. I am also starting to wonder about Andrew Luck. Barely any of his autos look like what I pulled when Contenders came out (pictured at left), a lot of the ones I am seeing now are flatter, smaller, or more condensed. His signature is simpler than the others but the differences are there.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=298106&stc=1&d=1440428151

Awesome research here, but this makes you sick as a collector and Panini really needs to come out and let everyone know what's going on and if in fact they did release unsigned, back-door copies. I have not seen any other 2012 product or set have these variations that look like pathetic attempts at a forgery (which they most definitively are)

The Luck's are the scariest of all, as you pointed out, they look the best out of all these guys, but have slight variations that raise red flags to those familiar with his auto, especially the way he signed the Contenders, as well as the type of pen he used.

[asujbl]

Awesome research here, but this makes you sick as a collector and Panini really needs to come out and let everyone know what's going on and if in fact they did release unsigned, back-door copies. I have not seen any other 2012 product or set have these variations that look like pathetic attempts at a forgery (which they most definitively are)

The Luck's are the scariest of all, as you pointed out, they look the best out of all these guys, but have slight variations that raise red flags to those familiar with his auto, especially the way he signed the Contenders, as well as the type of pen he used.

I've always noticed that but never really paid attention until Adam put them all side by side.

I'm an idiot when it comes to this, I'm sure others pay attention, but it does seem odd that someone would sign multiple copies (and 3 distinct ones) with different pens that all have slightly different signatures. Different pens but consistent signature? Totally can see that. 3 pens and 3 signatures even if only slight? Yikes.

I know signing 550 cards in one sitting might not be realistic, or perhaps it is (I have no idea), but it is some interesting comparisons on what is now a $2,000 card or whatever.

[bewareof94]

I've always noticed that but never really paid attention until Adam put them all side by side.

I'm an idiot when it comes to this, I'm sure others pay attention, but it does seem odd that someone would sign multiple copies (and 3 distinct ones) with different pens that all have slightly different signatures. Different pens but consistent signature? Totally can see that. 3 pens and 3 signatures even if only slight? Yikes.

I know signing 550 cards in one sitting might not be realistic, or perhaps it is (I have no idea), but it is some interesting comparisons on what is now a $2,000 card or whatever.

I'm no expert by any means, but you can definitely notice the signature "variations" in the middle and right versions that Adam posted, but I also noticed that the pack-pulled legit copies that gingerscards posted looked like they had thicker and bolder autographs than the "variations" mentioned above.

[gottagitdemjs]

Here is my pack pulled variation SP auto of Tannehill.

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/gottagitdemjs/null_zps197b64f2.jpg

[randomhereoh]

Crap. Yah the bottom listing is mine. You can still see under completed listings where I bought it. I have to run out for work but I read the thread pretty quick but ya it does look off. SMH. Do I have any recourse if positive feedback has already been left? Didnt buy it to long ago.

[Collectable]

Here is my pack pulled variation SP auto of Tannehill.

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/gottagitdemjs/null_zps197b64f2.jpg

That looks right.

[randomhereoh]

Here is the listing/seller I bought from

2012 Panini Contenders 204A Ryan Tannehill BGS 9 5 Auto 10 RC Dolphins Gem Mint | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/161784366194?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

[jarrodsalas]

I had that in my watch list but the first thing I noticed was the auto being off and I immediately thought of the RG3s. Style looks identical. What a shame.:(

[pejc300]

This is really stunning. Wow.

I have long theorized that one of the reasons Russell Wilson's contenders sell for so low (other than he sucks, etc.) is because of the flooding of the "fake" version of the card (whether actual fakes or whether they were done in a "second" signing).

In the same regard, I also though the reason why the Luck /550 was selling so high was because there was never any suspicion of fakes like with Wilson and RG3's. This is absolutely a game changer for the Luck card. No wonder NeedsChapmans is selling them in 10 count lots on ebay. This is fascinating. The 3rd Luck in that picture is CLEARLY different than the others and different than all of his other signed cards from 2012. He has a simple signature for sure, but it is distinct with the "loops" everywhere. That third pic is without loops and very flat. Wow.

[TheVolta]

This is really stunning. Wow.

I have long theorized that one of the reasons Russell Wilson's contenders sell for so low (other than he sucks, etc.) is because of the flooding of the "fake" version of the card (whether actual fakes or whether they were done in a "second" signing).

In the same regard, I also though the reason why the Luck /550 was selling so high was because there was never any suspicion of fakes like with Wilson and RG3's. This is absolutely a game changer for the Luck card. No wonder NeedsChapmans is selling them in 10 count lots on ebay. This is fascinating. The 3rd Luck in that picture is CLEARLY different than the others and different than all of his other signed cards from 2012. He has a simple signature for sure, but it is distinct with the "loops" everywhere. That third pic is without loops and very flat. Wow.

This is a very unfortunate revelation. If more dirt is dug up on the Luck fakes it could really impact the sports card world badly.

[yellowelephant]

This is a very unfortunate revelation. If more dirt is dug up on the Luck fakes it could really impact the sports card world badly.
20000 for test sheet autos. ( if it's true ) this is driving me crazy. Those Luck autos are suspect and this card is one of the hottest in the hobby right now. It's like he won an MVP in the off season. And to think that there could be even 50 fakes is mind blowing. I wonder if the 10 card lots from the Ebay seller are in consecutive serials from Beckett???

[Chrisp253]

Watching......

[jarrodsalas]

We don't see this style autograph for 3 years and then all of the sudden...


2012 Panini Contenders Ryan Tannehill Autograph Rookie Ticket PSA 10 Auto RC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-Ryan-Tannehill-Autograph-Rookie-Ticket-PSA-10-Auto-RC-/321842777012?hash=item4aef530bb4)

[yankeesfan24]

oh boy, what about NeedsChapmans and his Luck's

[Shinypsptitans]

...........and there goes the values of these autos just like old topps rookie premiere autos due to fakes.....what a shame.

[pejc300]

We don't see this style autograph for 3 years and then all of the sudden...


2012 Panini Contenders Ryan Tannehill Autograph Rookie Ticket PSA 10 Auto RC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-Ryan-Tannehill-Autograph-Rookie-Ticket-PSA-10-Auto-RC-/321842777012?hash=item4aef530bb4)

Yup - it has begun my friends. Whoever mentioned the old Topps Premier Autos is dead on. Wow.

[MeetJSquared]

And this is exactly why stamped serial numbers are almost necessary nowadays. The whole Contenders SP thing lost its luster once Panini started adding multiple variations/parallels in 2012+.

[cking]

How about someone type up a nice, courteous, professional e-mail and ask Panini what is up with these cards

Lets see what they have to say

[HenneFan007]

In all honesty I don't think that they are fake. If you look at all of his contenders autos, it looks like he tried to scrunch them into the space on the ticket and not use the entire base of the card. Whose to say he didn't get tired and switch to a quicker sig? I mean signing what (550+200+99+20+1=870) cards, probably gets tiring. Not saying they couldn't be fake, just stating that outside of the "t" not being crossed, everything else follows pretty closely to his signature...

[randomhereoh]

In all honesty I don't think that they are fake. If you look at all of his contenders autos, it looks like he tried to scrunch them into the space on the ticket and not use the entire base of the card. Whose to say he didn't get tired and switch to a quicker sig? I mean signing what (550+200+99+20+1=870) cards, probably gets tiring. Not saying they couldn't be fake, just stating that outside of the "t" not being crossed, everything else follows pretty closely to his signature...

Ive been looking closely at the autos too. Besides the "T" not crossed Ive noticed in all the ones that appear to be legit he does not connect his R into the second part of his auto, with the T. On the autos in question, all of them are with one pen stroke. Just something else Ive noticed.

[Chrisp253]

I dont think you have anything with the russ wilsons beyond panini producing more than they claim.

The left 2 are extremely consistant with how his auto is throughout products in 2012.. the last one on the right just looks like a complete screw up of an auto like phone rang or somethin.. i have not seen any others like that.. but the left 2 are def consistant

It is well known that russ sat down with panini and had a huge signing for all of his redemptions at once.. i seem to remember panini posting that he was breaking records on the field and signing cards.. thousands of them.

This is also where the streaky auto issues arose for russ in his second batch of autos for all panini products as they didnt switch his pen out enough.

[adamt326]

In all honesty I don't think that they are fake. If you look at all of his contenders autos, it looks like he tried to scrunch them into the space on the ticket and not use the entire base of the card. Whose to say he didn't get tired and switch to a quicker sig? I mean signing what (550+200+99+20+1=870) cards, probably gets tiring. Not saying they couldn't be fake, just stating that outside of the "t" not being crossed, everything else follows pretty closely to his signature...

This would have been logical reasoning if any of the weird looking autos would have been around when the product came out but they didn't start showing up until at least a year later. Same with RG3 and Wilson which have large batches of consecutive serial numbers in the BGS database.

[adamt326]

Here are a few posts about the BGS and PSA runs I posted on an older thread.

For the Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) there are 97 BGS 9.5s, and 112 graded in total bgs BGS, there are also 16 PSA 10s and 21 graded by PSA.

I know that people do crossovers and re-grades, but that means that a card with 50 copies has been graded 133 times and BGS 9.5s have been cracked multiple times.

For the Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) there are 140 BGS 9.5s and 198 graded total by BGS, there are 51 PSA 10s and 60 graded by PSA.

This card with 238 copies has been graded 258 times.


Look how many were graded recently on the same day and in succession with successive serial numbers!

Edit: I included the seller of each that has shown up in the searchable ebay past.

22-Jan-14

7980386 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7980387 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
7980388 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
7980389 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7980390 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
7980391 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
7980392 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7980393 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
*7980394 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View - gunther713 - Florida
7980395 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
7980396 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
7980397 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
*7980398 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - gunther713 - Florida
7980399 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
*7980400 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - breakersrowe - Texas
7980401 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
7980402 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View

10-Feb-14

7997455 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 8.5 9.5 9.0 View
7997456 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 View
7997457 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997458 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997459 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997460 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997461 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997462 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997463 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997464 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997465 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View

17-Mar-14

8047488 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8047489 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8047490 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8047491 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8047492 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8047493 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.0 9.5 9.0 View

18-Mar-14

8031072 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 View
8031073 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 View
8031074 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 View
8031075 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8031076 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 View
*8045972 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - showmethebucks - United States
*8045973 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - probstein123 - New Jersey
8045974 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
*8045975 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - probstein123 - New Jersey
*8045976 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - probstein123 - New Jersey

26-Mar-14

8060397 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8060398 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8060399 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8060400 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 9.0 9.0 9.0 View
8060401 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View

18-Apr-14

8088088 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8088089 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
*8088090 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - Probstein123 - New Jersey
*8088091 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - Probstein123 - New Jersey
8088092 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
*8088093 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.0 9.5 View - Probstein123 - New Jersey
8088094 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8088095 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
*8088096 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View - Probstein123 - New Jersey
8088097 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 10.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8088098 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8088099 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU SP/50*/(passing pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View

I can't keep this to myself:

cardmaster32 on blowout and eBay was selling scribbly Griffins (auto example #2) in bulk. I looked up his PSA serial numbers.

He had the asterisked (*) ones from this list pictured on eBay when he was selling them in bulk. All of these were graded in consecutive order, there is a nice surprise at the end of the list, and, oh and he's from Florida.

Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761046
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761047
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761048
*Griffin Contenders - PSA 8.5 - 22761049
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761050
*Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761051
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761052
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761053
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761054
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761055
*Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761056
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761057
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761058
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761059
Griffin Contenders - PSA 10 - 22761060
*Wilson Contenders Variation - PSA 10 - 22761061
*Wilson Contenders Variation - PSA 10 - 22761062

Still working on this, these are the regular RG3's with #2 autos that were graded in bulk, matched to sellers. Unfortunately, most of them went to big consigners.

18-Apr-13

7617362 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7617363 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7617364 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 0 0 0 0 0 View
7617365 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 0 0 0 0 0 View

10-Oct-13

7853324 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
7853325 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7853326 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7853327 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7853328 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View

31-Jan-14

7991155 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123
7991156 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View psa.gems
7991157 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
7991158 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View
7991159 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 10 10 9.5 10 View Sold on 4/4 by psa.gems; Currently listed by sak29 from Quebec, Canada
7991160 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
7991161 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View Currently listed by j.hollands
7991162 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 10 10 10 View psa.gems
7991163 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View psa.gems

10-Feb-14

7997435 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997436 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997437 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997438 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 8.5 9.5 9 View
7997439 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997440 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997441 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997442 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997443 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997444 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997445 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997446 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9 9.5 9 View
7997447 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997448 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997449 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997450 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997451 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997452 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997453 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
7997454 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View

18-Mar-14

8045957 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View
8045958 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123
8045959 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View PWCC; Sold again by tazman834 on 6/6
8045960 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123
8045961 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 View
8045962 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View probstein123
8045963 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8045964 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View showmethebucks
8045965 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8045966 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View
8045967 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View
8045968 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View
8045969 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 10 9 9.5 View probstein123; Sold again by bigboyd on 6/4
8045970 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9 9.5 View showmethebucks
8045971 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123

21-Mar-14

8043339 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View Sold by probstein123 on 4/22; Sold again by RGriffinRG3 on 5/23;
8043340 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 View psa.gems
8043341 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 0 0 0 0 0 View

3/26/2014

8061335 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 10 10 9.5 10 View Probstein123
8061336 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 10 10 10 View PWCC

3/31/2014
8061708 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8061709 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123


10-Apr-14

8081004 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123
8081005 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View
8081006 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View first_class_card_guys; Sold again by achilles2663 on 6/6
8081007 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123; Sold again by bigboyd on 6/2
8081008 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8081009 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View first_class_card_guys
8081010 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View

22-Apr-14

8094991 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 View
8094992 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8094993 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8094994 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 View
8094995 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 10 9 10 9.5 View
8094996 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9 10 9.5 View
8094997 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8094998 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9 10 9.5 View
8094999 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9.5 10 10 10 View

24-Apr-14

8101289 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8101290 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View psa.gems

14-May-14

8141457 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 10 10 9.5 10 View
8141458 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View probstein123
8141459 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View first_class_card_guys
8141460 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8141461 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View
8141462 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8141463 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8141464 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 View

19-Jun-14

8188928 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 0 View
8190729 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8190730 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8190731 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10 9 9.5 View
8190732 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9 10 9.5 9.5 View
8190733 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View

[adamt326]

Looks like the RG3s are still coming. Almost 10% of the entire stated print run was graded in 2 submissions in May and August of this year.

8669062 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8669063 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8669064 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.0 9.0 9.0 9.5 9.0 View
8669065 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.0 9.0 9.0 9.0 View
8669066 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 View
8669067 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.0 9.0 9.0 9.5 9.0 View
8669068 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.0 9.0 9.0 9.0 View
8669069 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8669070 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 View
8669071 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.0 9.0 9.5 9.0 9.0 View
8669072 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.0 9.0 9.0 9.0 View
8669073 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.0 9.5 9.5 View

8772910 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10.0 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8772911 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8772912 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8772913 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8772914 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10.0 10.0 10.0 9.5 10.0 View (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-ROOKIE-TICKET-Robert-Griffin-III-AUTO-238-RC-BGS-10-/371403796519)
8772915 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10.0 9.0 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8772916 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8772917 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10.0 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 View
8772918 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 9.5 9.5 10.0 9.5 9.5 View
8772919 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10.0 10.0 10.0 9.5 10.0 View

[phinzphan1372]

This would have been logical reasoning if any of the weird looking autos would have been around when the product came out but they didn't start showing up until at least a year later. Same with RG3 and Wilson which have large batches of consecutive serial numbers in the BGS database.

I know the first 2 of 3 contenders in the link below were pulled at my LCS right around the time of the release ..... I keep looking in my PC and find NOTHING that remotely resembles the autos in question

Ryan Tannehill Slideshow by phnzphan1372 | Photobucket (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/slideshow/Dolphins_PC/Ryan%20Tannehill)


All 4 autos from LTD
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/Dolphins_PC/Ryan%20Tannehill/5D1B61E8-5FEB-4FCD-8D8F-8E800197DA6A-6605-0000024A471632B6_zps2450f58a.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/Dolphins_PC/Ryan%20Tannehill/5D1B61E8-5FEB-4FCD-8D8F-8E800197DA6A-6605-0000024A471632B6_zps2450f58a.jpg.html)
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/mailday_threads/nationals/661B0C0D-0D59-446C-A118-15821198BE6F_zpsdegfcbr7.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/mailday_threads/nationals/661B0C0D-0D59-446C-A118-15821198BE6F_zpsdegfcbr7.jpg.html)

[gingerscards]

Man this thread is getting scary quick, I am posting more pictures for you guys to have to compare autos, all these I also pack pulled myself, I went a little crazy with boxes in 2012, lol.

But as you can see, all these guys mention started with one auto and graduated over time to a short version or quick one, makes sense being they sign so many. Seems RG3 had the most distinctive auto, but it has change dramatically with those fakes. Luck seems to have stayed the same with the exception of smaller A or condensed smaller full auto .

I pulled all these myself ~

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/Gone%20but%20not%20forgetton/DSC03290_zps289c43f3.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/Gone%20but%20not%20forgetton/DSC03290_zps289c43f3.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02797_zpsa007489d.jpg[/URL

[url=https://flic.kr/p/fpcnRP]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2817/9451493925_29a65ec405_b.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02797_zpsa007489d.jpg.html)DSC03577 (https://flic.kr/p/fpcnRP) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7371/11473746444_f2145bbdd0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/itTX5y)PC200002 (https://flic.kr/p/itTX5y) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02351_zps033fd191.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02351_zps033fd191.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02796_zps92d340be.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02796_zps92d340be.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02792_zps96d66758.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02792_zps96d66758.jpg.html)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/9445887806_105ce1ef8d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/foGDmA)DSC03559 (https://flic.kr/p/foGDmA) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02794_zps4c287d1f.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02794_zps4c287d1f.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC03243_zpsbb923c51.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC03243_zpsbb923c51.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20PERSONAL%20COLLECTION%20NOT%20FOR%20TRADE%20OR%20SALE/NFT/DSC02108.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20PERSONAL%20COLLECTION%20NOT%20FOR%20TRADE%20OR%20SALE/NFT/DSC02108.jpg.html)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3901/15337441536_34ffa57d05_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pnjp2b)DSC00111 (https://flic.kr/p/pnjp2b) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3678/12490569834_b1f96a42c9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/k2Krfj)DSC00157 (https://flic.kr/p/k2Krfj) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

[HBMC]

The one of the left is the real one.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=298104&stc=1&d=1440426830

Guess who has a BGS 9.5 RGIII with a signature like the one on the right? :(

[asujbl]

This thread should be more then 2 pages. We spend 25 talking about Tom Brady but only 2 so far on this.

The stuff Adam posted, showing "release" dates basically, in terms of batches is big time information.

Looking at the Luck Contenders next to each other is huge as well. That's not good.

[adamt326]

Guess who has a BGS 9.5 RGIII with a signature like the one on the right? :(

Many many many many people.

[Idol]

Not sure about the Luck signature but I think they are pretty much the same. Nobody signature is going to look exactly alike after 550 times. This is just 1 example that Adam posted. Lets see more before we can say there is something fishy going on with the Luck Contenders.

[TheVolta]

Guess who has a BGS 9.5 RGIII with a signature like the one on the right? :(

I have a feeling as this thread gets bigger more and more members on here are going check their 2012 contenders autos and realize they have a suspect copy.

[gingerscards]

Not sure about the Luck signature but I think they are pretty much the same. Nobody signature is going to look exactly alike after 550 times. This is just 1 example that Adam posted. Lets see more before we can say there is something fishy going on with the Luck Contenders.

I agree here, but will not rule out the chance there could be fakes out there, so far it looks like two for sure have been exposed with Tanny and RG3 and is why I tried to post pics of cards, I actually pulled myself, to show ones I know are real for sure. Or at least pack pulled, because I simply do not trust the card companies anymore either:mad:

I am hoping others follow in place and start posting their cards, but I am thinking those who may have fakes will not want to post them?

[gingerscards]

I have a feeling as this thread gets bigger more and more members on here are going check their 2012 contenders autos and realize they have a suspect copy.

We sure hope it does, but will they post there cards ?

I also question why Needschapmans has not at least posted once here?????

[gingerscards]

I know the first 2 of 3 contenders in the link below were pulled at my LCS right around the time of the release ..... I keep looking in my PC and find NOTHING that remotely resembles the autos in question

Ryan Tannehill Slideshow by phnzphan1372 | Photobucket (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/slideshow/Dolphins_PC/Ryan%20Tannehill)


All 4 autos from LTD
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/Dolphins_PC/Ryan%20Tannehill/5D1B61E8-5FEB-4FCD-8D8F-8E800197DA6A-6605-0000024A471632B6_zps2450f58a.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/Dolphins_PC/Ryan%20Tannehill/5D1B61E8-5FEB-4FCD-8D8F-8E800197DA6A-6605-0000024A471632B6_zps2450f58a.jpg.html)
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/mailday_threads/nationals/661B0C0D-0D59-446C-A118-15821198BE6F_zpsdegfcbr7.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/mailday_threads/nationals/661B0C0D-0D59-446C-A118-15821198BE6F_zpsdegfcbr7.jpg.html)

While we are at it, the Wilson variations were kind of what kicked off this whole thing, there is definitely something going on with his Contenders, as well. I am also starting to wonder about Andrew Luck. Barely any of his autos look like what I pulled when Contenders came out (pictured at left), a lot of the ones I am seeing now are flatter, smaller, or more condensed. His signature is simpler than the others but the differences are there.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=298106&stc=1&d=1440428151

Here is my pack pulled variation SP auto of Tannehill.

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/gottagitdemjs/null_zps197b64f2.jpg

Man this thread is getting scary quick, I am posting more pictures for you guys to have to compare autos, all these I also pack pulled myself, I went a little crazy with boxes in 2012, lol.

But as you can see, all these guys mention started with one auto and graduated over time to a short version or quick one, makes sense being they sign so many. Seems RG3 had the most distinctive auto, but it has change dramatically with those fakes. Luck seems to have stayed the same with the exception of smaller A or condensed smaller full auto .

I pulled all these myself ~

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/Gone%20but%20not%20forgetton/DSC03290_zps289c43f3.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/Gone%20but%20not%20forgetton/DSC03290_zps289c43f3.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02797_zpsa007489d.jpg[/URL

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all scans in one to view

[asujbl]

Not sure about the Luck signature but I think they are pretty much the same. Nobody signature is going to look exactly alike after 550 times. This is just 1 example that Adam posted. Lets see more before we can say there is something fishy going on with the Luck Contenders.

The issue with Luck (and we'll have to see more examples probably) is that there is a distinct difference between the signature and the thickness of the pen.

If the pen was all the same every time and the signatures varied slightly? No worries - that's where it changes 550 times. That makes total sense.

If the signature has differences, even if slight, but those correspond with different pen thickness? That's a huge deal... and that's what we have "so far" in terms of just seeing those 3 items.

We'll need to see more then 1 comparison I agree...

But if all of "A" are with one pen and all of "B" are with another so even the slight variations match a pen thickness... and we have a 3rd as well? Watch out.

[TheVolta]

We sure hope it does, but will they post there cards ?

I also question why Needschapmans has not at least posted once here?????

At least anyone who checks this thread will know what to look for with the suspect Griffin and Tannehill autographs.

[Athey49]

Well this makes me happy that I couldn't afford any contenders of these guys, I'm sure I'd have a Luck or two

[matt roberson]

Pack pulled and redeemed by me....
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_0012_zps783b9f14.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_0012_zps783b9f14.jpg.html)

Also pack pulled by me....
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_9487.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_9487.jpg.html)

Not pack pulled by me, but bought right at release because I was collecting him before he blew up....
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/DSC_0205_zpsctllheqf.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/DSC_0205_zpsctllheqf.jpg.html)
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/DSC_0234_zpshfwheorg.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/DSC_0234_zpshfwheorg.jpg.html)

[Netenpike23]

Attached is my pack pulled luck. It's not a sloppy signature, seems like the early cards when contenders came out had nicer looking autographs, with more 9 on the bgs grades. just imo observations.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/rockbass6/Andrew%20Luck%20PC/31_1.jpeg (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/rockbass6/media/Andrew%20Luck%20PC/31_1.jpeg.html)

[kent4801]

I just wanted to thank everyone on here for their contribution to this thread. I believe your knowledge and research may have saved me from completing a transaction for a fake RG3 "passing pose" version for my brother.

I purchased one of the cards with the consecutive serial numbers on Friday, but Ebay still shows that the seller has not shipped the item, so I'm hoping that since I contacted him and linked this thread that he will cancel the transaction.

Otherwise, if he has already shipped it, I am worried I will be out of luck since he says "no returns accepted".

I haven't had to return a lot of stuff I've purchased on Ebay, so perhaps I don't know about tools I have at my disposal to get a refund.

This is pretty discouraging as a collector.

[chrisfaceoff]

I just wanted to thank everyone on here for their contribution to this thread. I believe your knowledge and research may have saved me from completing a transaction for a fake RG3 "passing pose" version for my brother.

I purchased one of the cards with the consecutive serial numbers on Friday, but Ebay still shows that the seller has not shipped the item, so I'm hoping that since I contacted him and linked this thread that he will cancel the transaction.

Otherwise, if he has already shipped it, I am worried I will be out of luck since he says "no returns accepted".

I haven't had to return a lot of stuff I've purchased on Ebay, so perhaps I don't know about tools I have at my disposal to get a refund.

This is pretty discouraging as a collector.


No return accepted doesn't matter. After you receive the card you can send it back because it is not as described due to it being fake.

[kent4801]

Thanks for the response and help. Based on previous communication with the seller I don't anticipate any issues, but you never know.
Would that be an "item not as described" claim?

(sorry, just read your last sentence again. you cleared that up)

[HBMC]

Many many many many people.

Yup, I'll get the serial number from my slab and post it up, I pulled mine from BoF so apparently Brian Gray didn't know about the sketchy cards.

I have a feeling as this thread gets bigger more and more members on here are going check their 2012 contenders autos and realize they have a suspect copy.

If I had the money, I'd buy all of the sketchy ones and destroy them.

[Jackg1980]

This is suck for anyone who invested in these. This came up before, and at first only a few big dealers were selling the fakes. I guess who even made these targeted the big dealers and sold many to each of them. The forgers/fakers may have avoided ebay completely. But BGS should know the indentity of the scammers.

[adamt326]

Here are all of the Lucks that sold on eBay in February and March 2013 (first two months after release). I plan to keep going, but I have to get some work done. I think we will see less and less of these show up by month until we hit the one year mark and then the number available will increase and the autos will start to look different. I'll post updates when I have them.

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn427/adamt326/miscellaneous/5A36DC41-E0F6-49FE-A57D-01509A8381CE.jpg~original (http://s322.photobucket.com/user/adamt326/media/miscellaneous/5A36DC41-E0F6-49FE-A57D-01509A8381CE.jpg.html)

[philhjr1]

it doesnt help that Panini now offers various uncut sheets on their Rewards Points website. So for a couple thousand points, you can own a nice uncut test sheet of any number of different panini brands from past products.

For example for 15,000 points you can own an uncut sheet from 2014 Flawless Football. Here is the description.

"UNCUT SHEET from 2014-2015 Flawless Football. This 36"x 28" sheet features the fronts of the Rookie Pink Autos, Rookie Inscriptions Pink, Rookie Flawless Signatures Pink, & Pink Gemstone subsets. *Item sold as is."

[adamt326]

it doesnt help that Panini now offers various uncut sheets on their Rewards Points website. So for a couple thousand points, you can own a nice uncut test sheet of any number of different panini brands from past products.

For example for 15,000 points you can own an uncut sheet from 2014 Flawless Football. Here is the description.

"UNCUT SHEET from 2014-2015 Flawless Football. This 36"x 28" sheet features the fronts of the Rookie Pink Autos, Rookie Inscriptions Pink, Rookie Flawless Signatures Pink, & Pink Gemstone subsets. *Item sold as is."

One uncut sheet would be one card per player, and with the cost of points thats about $700 per sheet. That's a bit cost prohibitive. Whatever happened with these Contenders is much much larger than that.

[Jackg1980]

it doesnt help that Panini now offers various uncut sheets on their Rewards Points website. So for a couple thousand points, you can own a nice uncut test sheet of any number of different panini brands from past products.

For example for 15,000 points you can own an uncut sheet from 2014 Flawless Football. Here is the description.

"UNCUT SHEET from 2014-2015 Flawless Football. This 36"x 28" sheet features the fronts of the Rookie Pink Autos, Rookie Inscriptions Pink, Rookie Flawless Signatures Pink, & Pink Gemstone subsets. *Item sold as is."

Reason #489 to avoid all Panini Products.

[Jackg1980]

One uncut sheet would be one card per player, and with the cost of points thats about $700 per sheet. That's a bit cost prohibitive. Whatever happened with these Contenders is much much larger than that.

I agree, they made be completely fake and printed by the scammers themselves.

[philhjr1]

One uncut sheet would be one card per player, and with the cost of points thats about $700 per sheet. That's a bit cost prohibitive. Whatever happened with these Contenders is much much larger than that.

I agree, but a Odell Beckham JR flawless rookie auto by itself would almost cover that cost, than you have 49 other cards to sell....... Just seems like they(panini), is adding fuel to the fire, so to speak.

[asujbl]

Adam's post is money. That's not good. That's a hell of a lot of consistent signatures, with pen thickness, compared to the 2nd and 3rd pictures from Page 1. 90% of those look the same in terms of the same pen and same basic signature you'd expect if you did 150 of them or however many are posted.

Because you could create that exact same post with RG3 and Tannehill (Adam has already done some of that work with RG3) in terms of the initial release. All the RG3's looked the same for the first few months and then a drastic change 2 different times.

Then 12 months later you see another mass production with varying autographs.

I hope I'm wrong - but I bet Adam, when he has time, finds a whole heap of Luck's that have different (even if just slightly) signatures that were in part of the next "batch"

I want to be wrong though. This would be bad all around. I'm a huge Contenders collector and it stresses me out. Haha.

[Jackg1980]

Adam's post is money. That's not good. That's a hell of a lot of consistent signatures, with pen thickness, compared to the 2nd and 3rd pictures from Page 1.

Because you could create that exact same post with RG3 and Tannehill (Adam has already done some of that work with RG3) in terms of the initial release.

Then 12 months later you see another mass production with varying autographs.

I hope I'm wrong - but I bet Adam, when he has time, finds a whole heap of Luck's that have different (even if just slightly) signatures that were in part of the next "batch"

I think it was already discussed before. All of a sudden 3 or 4 big sellers on ebay had a bunch of the suspected cards and not any of the real ones. I hope we as a community can get some answers.

[asujbl]

I think it was already discussed before. All of a sudden 3 or 4 big sellers on ebay had a bunch of the suspected cards and not any of the real ones. I hope we as a community can get some answers.

Oh I know it was - I started the original RG3 thread back in the day

I've just never seen that many Luck's put together in one place - and the fact that they were all "initial release" is a red flag compared to some of the other signatures floating around.

I'll be curious to see what else Adam finds out as far as groupings if anything.

[Jackg1980]

Oh I know it was - I started the original RG3 thread back in the day

I've just never seen that many Luck's put together in one place - and the fact that they were all "initial release" is a red flag compared to some of the other signatures floating around.

I'll be curious to see what else Adam finds out as far as groupings if anything.

I guarantee if he did a chart graph, there will be a huge spike. We also need someone taking screen shot of all the Lucks, RG3, Tannehill and Wilsons pulled on video. It will take a lot of work from a lot of people, but all this research can point to a conclusive scam.

[gottagitdemjs]

IMO, the Luck would be the most likely to be faked. His signature is easy to forge (probably why this has gone unnoticed for the most part). His card is worth the most out of all of them. Craziness. I think it's pretty obvious. The pen is thinner. The tilt/angle of the signature is different. Sickening.

[phinzphan1372]

I agree, they made be completely fake and printed by the scammers themselves.

not hard to do today ... especially since master design files are software based and can easily be "transferred" and with exact color matching all thats left to do is get the stock right.

[HBMC]

22-Apr-14
8094992 Football 2012 Panini Contenders Robert Griffin III AU/238* RC/(running pose) 10 9 10 9.5 9.5 View


Well well well, here's mine, son of a mother #@#@#@#@er. :mad:

[TheVolta]

This should put quite a little kink in 2012 Contenders prices...

[wt55kt15]

I was under the assumption if beckett graded it - it was legit... is that not the case? I have this one I got from someone on here...

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o734/wt55kt15/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/wt55kt15/media/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg.html)

Real of fake ? Thanks!

[phinzphan1372]

Well well well, here's mine, son of a mother #@#@#@#@er. :mad:

i feel your pain ... I almost bought this ... actually paid 50% and found out it was fake.... I did get my cash back though

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/Traded%20or%20Sold/4AB6E1C9-48CA-40C0-B137-FDB0839FE8C9-4810-0000016852C65F65.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/Traded%20or%20Sold/4AB6E1C9-48CA-40C0-B137-FDB0839FE8C9-4810-0000016852C65F65.jpg.html)

Too me this one looks like the contenders on the right

[Jackg1980]

I was under the assumption if beckett graded it - it was legit... is that not the case? I have this one I got from someone on here...

Real of fake ? Thanks!

Beckett and PSA grade many fakes.

[TheVolta]

I was under the assumption if beckett graded it - it was legit... is that not the case? I have this one I got from someone on here...

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o734/wt55kt15/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/wt55kt15/media/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg.html)

Real of fake ? Thanks!

Sorry man but to me it looks just like the far right example on the first page...
The legit signatures seem to have those perfect loops at the top.
The roman numerals look a little off as well.

[asujbl]

I was under the assumption if beckett graded it - it was legit... is that not the case? I have this one I got from someone on here...

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o734/wt55kt15/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/wt55kt15/media/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg.html)

Real of fake ? Thanks!

Nevermind - I change my answer - I think that's Batch C

BGS doesn't grade the authenticity of the autograph just the quality - so RG3's mom could have signed the others and as long as she didn't have pen marks or a faded autograph it could still get a 10

So being BGS graded doesn't mean the card is legit as far as authentic.

9 times out of 10 you're fine but anything backdoored is the problem.

[wt55kt15]

Nevermind - I change my answer - I think that's Batch C

BGS doesn't grade the authenticity of the autograph just the quality - so RG3's mom could have signed the others and as long as she didn't have pen marks or a faded autograph it could still get a 10

So being BGS graded doesn't mean the card is legit as far as authentic.

9 times out of 10 you're fine but anything backdoored is the problem.

so what is batch C? you think it is real?

[Jackg1980]

I was under the assumption if beckett graded it - it was legit... is that not the case? I have this one I got from someone on here...


Real of fake ? Thanks!

Fake, 15 of them were graded that day consecutively, 8200168 - 8200182. Look like example C.

[asujbl]

so what is batch C? you think it is real?

I think it's fake. Sorry.

Now how you define "fake" varies from person to person. Whether they were part of the original print run, who signed them, were they pack pulled even if RG3 wasn't the one autographing them, were they backdoored and thus not even part of the /238 or whatever etc...

Check this thread for RG3 specifics. I started this one a year ago. It still bothers me how little response it got compared to some of the other crap that gets 20 pages on Blowout.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football/731477-rg3-contenders-autographs-multiple-versions.html

[wt55kt15]

Well that sucks ! I was thinking a grade from Beckett mean authentic... someone on here sold me one and said he had 2 so probably just dumping them.

[asujbl]

Well that sucks ! I was thinking a grade from Beckett mean authentic... someone on here sold me one and said he had 2 so probably just dumping them.

Nope - just means the quality of the autograph - no matter who signed it is a "10"

JSA is the authenticator. Common misconception. No different then grading patches. Just because it's slabbed doesn't mean they looked at the patch. Simply the condition of the patch and patch window.

I don't know who sold you theirs but I wouldn't assume they were dumping them. I bumped my RG3 thread like 20 times and it's still only like 4 pages long. I'm not sure how many people are even paying attention.

It might take an Andrew Luck conspiracy to get people to care.

[HBMC]

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o734/wt55kt15/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/wt55kt15/media/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg.html)

Real of fake ? Thanks!

Looks just like mine, I am thoroughly pissed right now.

i feel your pain ... I almost bought this ... actually paid 50% and found out it was fake.... I did get my cash back though

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/Traded%20or%20Sold/4AB6E1C9-48CA-40C0-B137-FDB0839FE8C9-4810-0000016852C65F65.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/Traded%20or%20Sold/4AB6E1C9-48CA-40C0-B137-FDB0839FE8C9-4810-0000016852C65F65.jpg.html)

Too me this one looks like the contenders on the right

Sure the hell does, I am going to contact Brian and see where he got mine from.

[pejc300]

Well that sucks ! I was thinking a grade from Beckett mean authentic... someone on here sold me one and said he had 2 so probably just dumping them.

Just to be clear, at this time I do not think it is accurate to say that the card you have is "fake" and worthless, per se. I don't think anyone would have a legitimate paypal/ebay claim if they tried to return one of these cards especially if it was graded by Beckett or PSA. I would not think it would be scummy to resell the card either at this point (others might disagree, and that is okay).

The bottom line is that as this story unfolds it will become widely known by most knowledgeable collectors that there are fake/after market cards of many of the top stars in this set, and ultimately I think value will start to decrease, just like those 2007 Topps Premiere autos. For RG3 I don't see it is as such a big deal because honestly his values are already pretty low. I think it will be a big deal for Luck. It has already been a big deal for Wilson (although I'm not sure the Wilsons are fake as much as they were the second batch with streaky autos).

The market will be flooded with these fakes and it will be apparent that the print runs mean nothing and the cards will lose value. The best example of this is the Russell Wilson Variation /25 which was a highly sought after $1500 card and now can be had for $600 because it was proven that there are at least 100 of them out there.

This is bad for all of these Contenders, but especially Luck. Those that are paying attention have already seen that the Luck Contenders 9.5 that were approaching 2k are going down again, and I think this will further that trend back to the $1400 range. Can you imagine what will happen if a bunch of Luck variations start to surface? That will be awful for those holding true /75 versions.

I think this will increase the value of the NT cards though.

[phinzphan1372]

Im sure im not the only one....

I just did a few searches to compare a few things

Searched for "Tannehill Auto" 434 cards came up and the only ones that did not look legit were the contenders fakes .... EVERY pack certified auro had him crossing the "T's"


Searched "Tannehill Autograph Helmet" 34 items .... every signature has the "T's" crossed

Searched "Tannehill Autograph football" 6 items (one looked shady for other reasons) 5 had the "T's" crossed .....


even if he got lazy He seemed to always cross those T's even on high print runs of like /399+

[pejc300]

Im sure im not the only one....

I just did a few searches to compare a few things

Searched for "Tannehill Auto" 434 cards came up and the only ones that did not look legit were the contenders fakes .... EVERY pack certified auro had him crossing the "T's"


Searched "Tannehill Autograph Helmet" 34 items .... every signature has the "T's" crossed

Searched "Tannehill Autograph football" 6 items (one looked shady for other reasons) 5 had the "T's" crossed .....


even if he got lazy He seemed to always cross those T's even on high print runs of like /399+

Yeah, you are spot on with this. These are fakes, no two ways about it. Also, it is not a surprise that they are starting to come out in the recent months when Tannehill cards have become hot.

This makes me wonder if the producers of these fakes weren't the ones buying up all the Tannehill and Lucks for outrageous prices (i.e. setting the market) to then start infusing the market with fakes. Classic pump and dump. Except not so classic because it involves fakes.

[jarrodsalas]

I'm surprised nobody has sent a suspect RG3 to JSA. I'm sure some will say they will probably certify it anyways but it's worth a shot no? Maybe send a note with the concerns?

[bewareof94]

Im sure im not the only one....

I just did a few searches to compare a few things

Searched for "Tannehill Auto" 434 cards came up and the only ones that did not look legit were the contenders fakes .... EVERY pack certified auro had him crossing the "T's"


Searched "Tannehill Autograph Helmet" 34 items .... every signature has the "T's" crossed

Searched "Tannehill Autograph football" 6 items (one looked shady for other reasons) 5 had the "T's" crossed .....


even if he got lazy He seemed to always cross those T's even on high print runs of like /399+

This is what led me to create this thread and point this out to everyone, especially in light of reading and participating in the RG3 Contenders thread a while back.

There are no other Tannehill RC autos out there that look this bad, sloppy, and down-right fake. If you do your homework, you will notice he has a very consistent signature.

If this were just a case of him being tired/getting lazy while signing his Contenders, then this same "variation" (fake) signature would show up, not only on other cards in that batch such as the Playoff Tickets and Cracked Ice versions, but also in other products, especially where had had to sign more times for other products and/or sheets of stickers which provide less area for him to sign.

The fact that these questionable signatures from all 4 players brought up in this thread happen to be on their base Contenders (not Playoff Tickets, not Cracked Ice, no other products from 2012) is the big elephant in the room, and everyone should be spreading the word and sharing this thread as much as possible.

[jarrodsalas]

I have owned these two for quite some time...Just wanted to get it on record.:D

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq331/duckhtrsalas/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/948BE568-F0A5-4B1C-96BA-3A434EFD98FB.jpg (http://s461.photobucket.com/user/duckhtrsalas/media/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/948BE568-F0A5-4B1C-96BA-3A434EFD98FB.jpg.html)

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq331/duckhtrsalas/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/0D7D713E-6CDC-4070-9B53-32730361AFC1.jpg (http://s461.photobucket.com/user/duckhtrsalas/media/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/0D7D713E-6CDC-4070-9B53-32730361AFC1.jpg.html)

[TheVolta]

Just to be clear, at this time I do not think it is accurate to say that the card you have is "fake" and worthless, per se. I don't think anyone would have a legitimate paypal/ebay claim if they tried to return one of these cards especially if it was graded by Beckett or PSA. I would not think it would be scummy to resell the card either at this point (others might disagree, and that is okay).

The bottom line is that as this story unfolds it will become widely known by most knowledgeable collectors that there are fake/after market cards of many of the top stars in this set, and ultimately I think value will start to decrease, just like those 2007 Topps Premiere autos. For RG3 I don't see it is as such a big deal because honestly his values are already pretty low. I think it will be a big deal for Luck. It has already been a big deal for Wilson (although I'm not sure the Wilsons are fake as much as they were the second batch with streaky autos).

The market will be flooded with these fakes and it will be apparent that the print runs mean nothing and the cards will lose value. The best example of this is the Russell Wilson Variation /25 which was a highly sought after $1500 card and now can be had for $600 because it was proven that there are at least 100 of them out there.

This is bad for all of these Contenders, but especially Luck. Those that are paying attention have already seen that the Luck Contenders 9.5 that were approaching 2k are going down again, and I think this will further that trend back to the $1400 range. Can you imagine what will happen if a bunch of Luck variations start to surface? That will be awful for those holding true /75 versions.

I think this will increase the value of the NT cards though.

Great post, I agree with everything. I wonder if we'll see a flood of these on ebay in the coming weeks.

[pejc300]

NeedsChapmans has been eerily quiet...

[bewareof94]

Just to be clear, at this time I do not think it is accurate to say that the card you have is "fake" and worthless, per se. I don't think anyone would have a legitimate paypal/ebay claim if they tried to return one of these cards especially if it was graded by Beckett or PSA. I would not think it would be scummy to resell the card either at this point (others might disagree, and that is okay).

The bottom line is that as this story unfolds it will become widely known by most knowledgeable collectors that there are fake/after market cards of many of the top stars in this set, and ultimately I think value will start to decrease, just like those 2007 Topps Premiere autos. For RG3 I don't see it is as such a big deal because honestly his values are already pretty low. I think it will be a big deal for Luck. It has already been a big deal for Wilson (although I'm not sure the Wilsons are fake as much as they were the second batch with streaky autos).

The market will be flooded with these fakes and it will be apparent that the print runs mean nothing and the cards will lose value. The best example of this is the Russell Wilson Variation /25 which was a highly sought after $1500 card and now can be had for $600 because it was proven that there are at least 100 of them out there.

This is bad for all of these Contenders, but especially Luck. Those that are paying attention have already seen that the Luck Contenders 9.5 that were approaching 2k are going down again, and I think this will further that trend back to the $1400 range. Can you imagine what will happen if a bunch of Luck variations start to surface? That will be awful for those holding true /75 versions.

I think this will increase the value of the NT cards though.

Maybe 2012 Prime Signatures will finally get some attention, IMO Panini's best designed, most underrated and undervalued rookie autographed set that they've ever made for football cards

[gingerscards]

Maybe 2012 Prime Signatures will finally get some attention, IMO Panini's best designed, most underrated and undervalued rookie autographed set that they've ever made for football cards

Let us see, Fake patches admitted too, Fake Diamonds. now fake autos, I do not think Panini will gain any ground, in fact I think they will slide downward and Topps stuff will take over from there. Aka, Chrome, Five Star, Etc. I know NT is strong , but so was Contenders for years as the best rc auto to get.

[matt roberson]

I guess all this makes holding onto this smart....http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/4A320633-68E0-4C40-B0F7-142F74DBAB63_zpsrzskeex8.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/4A320633-68E0-4C40-B0F7-142F74DBAB63_zpsrzskeex8.jpg.html)

[TheVolta]

I guess all this makes holding onto this smart....

Definitely! After this, if I ever buy one I'd want the used redemption too.

[adamt326]

Let us see, Fake patches admitted too, Fake Diamonds. now fake autos, I do not think Panini will gain any ground, in fact I think they will slide downward and Topps stuff will take over from there. Aka, Chrome, Five Star, Etc. I know NT is strong , but so was Contenders for years as the best rc auto to get.

Except that topps doesn't have their NFL license anymore. Just baseball.

[gingerscards]

Except that topps doesn't have their NFL license anymore. Just baseball.

I know, hobby is quickly falling apart at the seems, not sure what I am going to do after this years releases. Not even sure I will buy into Topps Chrome like I always have, I totally avoided Contenders unlike me, due to the stupid amount of subsets etc. Thing is I like a few players in the draft and probably will just go after my non auto rainbows with a auto or two here or there.
Memorabilia is looking better and better :D

[gottagitdemjs]

Would anybody be against collecting all of the info in this thread and creating a new thread titled:

2012 Contenders Fraudulent Rookie Ticket Autos Discussion: Luck, RG3, Wilson, Tannehill

I think this would get a lot more people in on the discussion and more information brought forth than an obscure thread that is directed toward just Tannehill. We could still link to this thread, but I bet a lot more would come out of the woodwork. Not to mention the ones that will see the thread and quietly put theirs up for sale on eBay to dump them.

[SleeperCards]

Would anybody be against collecting all of the info in this thread and creating a new thread titled:

2012 Contenders Fraudulent Rookie Ticket Autos Discussion: Luck, RG3, Wilson, Tannehill

I think this would get a lot more people in on the discussion and more information brought forth than an obscure thread that is directed toward just Tannehill. We could still link to this thread, but I bet a lot more would come out of the woodwork. Not to mention the ones that will see the thread and quietly put theirs up for sale on eBay to dump them.

Better title for the search engines as well.

[Collectable]

OPINION on TANNEHILLS:


I think B and C are fakes, however you guys are missing something. To my knowledge, Tannehill has at least two autographs.

Here are different autographs of Tannehill (just on contenders):
http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af187/collectabled/Ryan%20Tannehill/TannehillPC001_zpsm0ti2azj.jpg (http://s1006.photobucket.com/user/collectabled/media/Ryan%20Tannehill/TannehillPC001_zpsm0ti2azj.jpg.html)

ONLY talking about the middle row here…. the one on the left all agree is authentic. However, the one in the middle is also authentic…. it is the same autograph on all of his Chrome, Crown Royale, and Finest Autos.

So there are two authentic autograph on contenders, and the "fake" ones you all are talking about are clearly very different.

[jedi500]

Very very interesting read thus far..opinions on my Tannehill auto would be appreciated as well. Judging from the post above, it looks very similar to the one on the left.

Will continue to keep an eye on these

[bewareof94]

OPINION on TANNEHILLS:


I think B and C are fakes, however you guys are missing something. To my knowledge, Tannehill has at least two autographs.

Here are different autographs of Tannehill (just on contenders):
http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af187/collectabled/Ryan%20Tannehill/TannehillPC001_zpsm0ti2azj.jpg (http://s1006.photobucket.com/user/collectabled/media/Ryan%20Tannehill/TannehillPC001_zpsm0ti2azj.jpg.html)

ONLY talking about the middle row here…. the one on the left all agree is authentic. However, the one in the middle is also authentic…. it is the same autograph on all of his Chrome, Crown Royale, and Finest Autos.

So there are two authentic autograph on contenders, and the "fake" ones you all are talking about are clearly very different.

I think we can all agree that all authentic Tannehill autographs have the "crossed T" and he picks up the pen at least once to separate the large "R" in his signature and his last name. We consistently see that on the "authentic" Contenders, as well as all other products throughout 2012.

The upper right Contenders ticket in your picture is the fake one though; it has neither the crossed T and is just one connected squiggly mark

[codered]

Has anyone considered contacting topps with this information? First, I imagine that they would have a very good understanding of what a players authentic signature looks like and second if they could prove that panini is aware of/producing counterfeits, could they use that to their advantage? Just a thought

[adamt326]

Would anybody be against collecting all of the info in this thread and creating a new thread titled:

2012 Contenders Fraudulent Rookie Ticket Autos Discussion: Luck, RG3, Wilson, Tannehill

I think this would get a lot more people in on the discussion and more information brought forth than an obscure thread that is directed toward just Tannehill. We could still link to this thread, but I bet a lot more would come out of the woodwork. Not to mention the ones that will see the thread and quietly put theirs up for sale on eBay to dump them.

I was planning on doing this after I was done putting together all of the Luck scans. That may take some time though.

[HenneFan007]

Very very interesting read thus far..opinions on my Tannehill auto would be appreciated as well. Judging from the post above, it looks very similar to the one on the left.

Will continue to keep an eye on these

Looks like my contenders, I'd say that it is good...

[jasonm2121]

Are the contenders just not numbered? Why are there still cards not numbered if so, should be easy enough to do these days, what a horrible thing that so many fakes can be out there for big time cards like these

[thescout]

Are the contenders just not numbered? Why are there still cards not numbered if so, should be easy enough to do these days, what a horrible thing that so many fakes can be out there for big time cards like these

If panini numbered them then they couldn't sell as many...I am amazed so many people are all drinking this fake auto story like it's some huge revelation but no one is talking about the fact most of these extra lucks and wilsons were just a straight cash grab by panini. So glad they have the exclusive football now, yay

[thescout]

Has anyone considered contacting topps with this information? First, I imagine that they would have a very good understanding of what a players authentic signature looks like and second if they could prove that panini is aware of/producing counterfeits, could they use that to their advantage? Just a thought

Topps will be owned by panini soon enough...no they don't care

[jasonm2121]

If panini numbered them then they couldn't sell as many...I am amazed so many people are all drinking this fake auto story like it's some huge revelation but no one is talking about the fact most of these extra lucks and wilsons were just a straight cash grab by panini. So glad they have the exclusive football now, yay

I was out of the hobby for a pretty long time so I missed a lot of this. For the most part I stick with the low numbered product (NT, 5 Stars etc.). Def good to read up on this type of activity though, was not really aware of it until now. Is there any similar activity with Brady and Manning RCs?

[HBMC]

Are the contenders just not numbered? Why are there still cards not numbered if so, should be easy enough to do these days, what a horrible thing that so many fakes can be out there for big time cards like these

They used to be, in fact 2003 Contenders featured all numbered autos.

I am amazed so many people are all drinking this fake auto story like it's some huge revelation but no one is talking about the fact most of these extra lucks and wilsons were just a straight cash grab by panini

The signatures aren't close on Tannehill, RGIII and Wilson. Luck is a crapshoot as his signature is extremely easy to copy. If Panini was devious enough to do this, they would have at least had them sign in the same color pen and clearly the signatures would be better. Poor form man.

I am going to speculate that these are test sheets that should've never got out into the market, whether it be Panini giving them away or the cards being back doored, the forgeries exist. The facts and evidence speak for themselves.


I was out of the hobby for a pretty long time so I missed a lot of this. For the most part I stick with the low numbered product (NT, 5 Stars etc.). Def good to read up on this type of activity though, was not really aware of it until now. Is there any similar activity with Brady and Manning RCs?

I doubt it on Manning or Brady rookies, Brady's Contenders is fairly common and is easy to spot fraudulent autos of, Manning's is so rare (and the pens they used in 1998 were so bad) that they're very easy to differentiate.

[jasonm2121]

thanks for the info

[Coventry6546]

Part of the reason Contenders was not serial numbered is because at release everyone used to love trying to guess what the short prints were. Panini would wait a month or two, then release official numbers and super short prints of not well known players would skyrocket even more. Then in 2013, I don't believe they were serial numbered and the did a half azz job of telling collectors what the true print numbers were (some assume because they over produced 2012 and without releasing actual numbers, no one could pull up all past items sold and say...gotcha). Now they either serial number or still use the vague less then 50 copies....etc statement.

As far as what's at hand in this thread, anything with monetary value will be faked. However, the only thing that sticks out to me is indeed not crossing the "T" in Tannehill. Fake, overproduction, mistake on Tannehill part...who knows for sure. As far as Luck and RGIII, there are other products with similar variations, most notably more recent releases. Again, over production could be the reasoning or its just a variant to their autographs. The only way to tell, as someone else mentioned, would be to have an actual signature/autograph professional analyze variants in person. Just because an auto is modified, scrunched, flatter, thicker ink...etc doesn't mean it's fake. An actual professional would look at pressure points and other aspects they are trained to look for to determine.

[HBMC]

Here's my crapola RGIII, thanks fraudsters! :(

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/hogsboysmavscards/EPSON029_zpsagzmdu93.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/hogsboysmavscards/media/EPSON029_zpsagzmdu93.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/hogsboysmavscards/EPSON030_zps6ughtqbb.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/hogsboysmavscards/media/EPSON030_zps6ughtqbb.jpg.html)

[broncomanning18]

those tannehills are a fake, no doubt about it, what a shame. Fricking Panini just serial number your dang cards. Someone should buy up the fake tannehill and rgIII's since they are somewhat cheap and burn them LOL. Luck on the other hand is a little more pricey.

[Coventry6546]

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172455_zpsabfdp1ir.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172432_zpsjl7ekxhq.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172542_zps81wdlgoi.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_171857_zpsl7kbdquy.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172616_zpsap5z9qdn.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172808_zpsvig7moiw.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172715_zpsh87blfpx.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172743_zpsn9fecwdz.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172648_zpslputidpu.jpg

[broncomanning18]

what are you saying Coventry ?

[twisty571]

Maybe 2012 Prime Signatures will finally get some attention, IMO Panini's best designed, most underrated and undervalued rookie autographed set that they've ever made for football cards
I had the Wilson also but don't have a pic anymore.
http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/robv571/PC%20RCs%20and%20Autos%20NFT/sold%20or%20traded/RGIII%202012%20Prime%20Signatures%20Auto%20RC_zpsrdpbvtsg.jpghttp://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/robv571/PC%20RCs%20and%20Autos%20NFT/sold%20or%20traded/Ryan%20Tannehill%202012%20Prime%20Sig_zpsu7ftjkif.jpg
And I always thought this Luck looked weird when I had it but I don't think anyone was questioning these. I don't have the Contenders Rookie Ink pic anymore.
http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/robv571/PC%20RCs%20and%20Autos%20NFT/sold%20or%20traded/AndrewLuck2012CrownRoyaleSilver149_zps59c07dee.jpg

[HenneFan007]

Saw this mini on ebay with this signature...

[DMACcollector]

I have a Wilson with the crummy auto, but it was sent from Panini so I always took it as being legit and still do:
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/montereyjag/Higher%20End/scan0001-5_zpsd4241541.jpg (http://s749.photobucket.com/user/montereyjag/media/Higher%20End/scan0001-5_zpsd4241541.jpg.html)
Still in the case Panini sent it in, never opened. Now I did buy a suspicious RG3 about a year and a half ago from Probstein on eBay, about the time someone created the original thread about the fakes. I sent it back and Probstein refunded my payment.

[adamt326]

I have a Wilson with the crummy auto, but it was sent from Panini so I always took it as being legit and still do

That's interesting and good to know. Thanks.

[Chrisp253]

The wilsons are legit.. just panini put a lot more out there than they claimed

[bewareof94]

A raw Tannehill fake was just listed on eBay last night:

Ryan Tannehill 2012 Contenders Rookie Ticket Autograph RC Auto SP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ryan-Tannehill-2012-Contenders-Rookie-Ticket-Autograph-RC-Auto-SP-/262020405121?hash=item3d01a21781)

[phinzphan1372]

A raw Tannehill fake was just listed on eBay last night:

Ryan Tannehill 2012 Contenders Rookie Ticket Autograph RC Auto SP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ryan-Tannehill-2012-Contenders-Rookie-Ticket-Autograph-RC-Auto-SP-/262020405121?hash=item3d01a21781)

And there is 5 bids on it ... Wonder if somebody cracked it so I wasn't part of a serial number run

[DMACcollector]

Just for the record and for the guys doing vast sets of comparisons, here's my Luck and Tannehill Contenders autos:
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/montereyjag/Higher%20End/IMG_0949_zpshiocytxk.jpg (http://s749.photobucket.com/user/montereyjag/media/Higher%20End/IMG_0949_zpshiocytxk.jpg.html)
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/montereyjag/Higher%20End/scan0013-1_zps44ff6516.jpg (http://s749.photobucket.com/user/montereyjag/media/Higher%20End/scan0013-1_zps44ff6516.jpg.html)

[adamt326]

Luck Contenders sold on eBay from April 2013-July 2013

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn427/adamt326/miscellaneous/171F28DD-0A79-49D5-B594-A9E211A21A78.jpg~original (http://s322.photobucket.com/user/adamt326/media/miscellaneous/171F28DD-0A79-49D5-B594-A9E211A21A78.jpg.html)

[rauchand]

Those Lucks look fine. There's always going to be slight variations based on the sheer amount they sign.

[adamt326]

Those Lucks look fine. There's always going to be slight variations based on the sheer amount they sign.

Yeah, they should all be fine so far. We are only through July 2013. The issues shouldn't arise until probably a year after release (Feb 2014). It takes time, I am just posting as I go.

[SleeperCards]

A raw Tannehill fake was just listed on eBay last night:

Ryan Tannehill 2012 Contenders Rookie Ticket Autograph RC Auto SP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ryan-Tannehill-2012-Contenders-Rookie-Ticket-Autograph-RC-Auto-SP-/262020405121?hash=item3d01a21781)

That's a member here, I'd imagine he's just trying to rid himself of it after finding this info. (Not making a judgment on it, just saying what's most likely)

[gingerscards]

That's a member here, I'd imagine he's just trying to rid himself of it after finding this info. (Not making a judgment on it, just saying what's most likely)

Judgement or not, that is totally wrong thing to do , if he knows it is fake and listed as real, which the listing says nothing of possible fake, then that member should be called out here and talked to.

[adamt326]

Judgement or not, that is totally wrong thing to do , if he knows it is fake and listed as real, which the listing says nothing of possible fake, then that member should be called out here and talked to.

He posted in this thread, but I'm not calling anyone out until we know the deal with these for sure. Educated buyers are already avoiding these. While compiling the Lucks, I found a weird Tannehill auto only 4 months after release.

Ryan Tannehill 7 Card Rookie Lot with Autos & Jersey (06/14/2013) (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ryan-tannehill-card-rookie-lot-autos-456045757)

[gingerscards]

He posted in this thread, but I'm not calling anyone out until we know the deal with these for sure. Educated buyers are already avoiding these. While compiling the Lucks, I found a weird Tannehill auto only 4 months after release.

Ryan Tannehill 7 Card Rookie Lot with Autos & Jersey (06/14/2013) (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ryan-tannehill-card-rookie-lot-autos-456045757)

Gotcha and that totally makes sense.

[wju2004]

All this makes me nervous and wish I'd hung onto my Luck that I'd pulled, though still would say that mine is likely good. (Just after looking by comparison.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/wju2004/PC/Other%20PC/20140812_204142.jpg

As for the rest...I have been looking at Wilsons and Tannehills, but glad now I'd know what to look for at least.

[jasonm2121]

that Luck looks fine

[starfox]

Does this Tannehill look okay?http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/26/a7534fbd736eb738ae20b3e5fd6cfb27.jpg

[starfox]

Does this Tannehill look okay?http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/26/a7534fbd736eb738ae20b3e5fd6cfb27.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/26/bb3bcd21a501cd7ecc4323b5e8ecbb68.jpg

[starfox]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/26/bb3bcd21a501cd7ecc4323b5e8ecbb68.jpg
Sorry. I am still trying to master Tapatalk.

[wheeler281]

He posted in this thread, but I'm not calling anyone out until we know the deal with these for sure. Educated buyers are already avoiding these. While compiling the Lucks, I found a weird Tannehill auto only 4 months after release.

Ryan Tannehill 7 Card Rookie Lot with Autos & Jersey (06/14/2013) (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ryan-tannehill-card-rookie-lot-autos-456045757)

He is selling the one that was specifically pointed out to be questionable in the photos he posted. Not the others in the scan.

Edit- dont get me wrong for its his right and there is nothing 100% certain in these claims yet

[jbrandonw]

I don't think any of us can say for certain that their fake. I don't own any of these, but I'm not gonna judge someone for selling one. Until someone figures out for sure that their forgeries, you can't try to keep people from selling them.

[wheeler281]

I don't think any of us can say for certain that their fake. I don't own any of these, but I'm not gonna judge someone for selling one. Until someone figures out for sure that their forgeries, you can't try to keep people from selling them.

Nobody can stop anyone from selling anything. It's their property. It all is good timing though lol

[phinzphan1372]

Nobody can stop anyone from selling anything. It's their property. It all is good timing though lol

if its a proven fake / forgery / counterfeit .... can't eBay take it down?

[bewareof94]

Another questionable Tannehill has been listed, but read the description... it is very misleading to the potential buyer: the seller claims it is "100% authentic," they cite that there is a "forum of some sort" that talks about possible problems with these cards, and that if there was any validity in that, it would be in Beckett or some other publication.

2012 Panini Contenders 204 Ryan Tannehill Auto RC Left Dolphins PSA 10 Hot | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204-Ryan-Tannehill-Auto-RC-Left-Dolphins-PSA-10-HOT-/181846968760?hash=item2a56ec89b8)

[phinzphan1372]

Another questionable Tannehill has been listed, but read the description... it is very misleading to the potential buyer: the seller claims it is "100% authentic," they cite that there is a "forum of some sort" that talks about possible problems with these cards, and that if there was any validity in that, it would be in Beckett or some other publication.

2012 Panini Contenders 204 Ryan Tannehill Auto RC Left Dolphins PSA 10 Hot | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204-Ryan-Tannehill-Auto-RC-Left-Dolphins-PSA-10-HOT-/181846968760?hash=item2a56ec89b8)

yeah because Blowout threads never got anything done in the card industry or brought light to any shady practices in the past :)!

[bewareof94]

yeah because Blowout threads never got anything done in the card industry or brought light to any shady practices in the past :)!

I sent the seller the link to this thread and told them their auction is linked here as it is one of the fishy autographs. Judging by the description in the auction, they've already seen this thread and evidently it's nothing for potential bidders to be worried about, after all this isn't Beckett or some other, more reputable publication :confused:

Again, I have no problem whatsoever with people selling their cards, but I feel that there is a huge amount of evidence put out in this thread that there may be certain 2012 Contenders Rookie Tickets that may not be authentic, pack-pulled cards, and we should be bringing it to people's (especially potential buyers) attention.

[Coventry6546]

I sent the seller the link to this thread and told them their auction is linked here as it is one of the fishy autographs. Judging by the description in the auction, they've already seen this thread and evidently it's nothing for potential bidders to be worried about, after all this isn't Beckett or some other, more reputable publication :confused:

Again, I have no problem whatsoever with people selling their cards, but I feel that there is a huge amount of evidence put out in this thread that there may be certain 2012 Contenders Rookie Tickets that may not be authentic, pack-pulled cards, and we should be bringing it to people's (especially potential buyers) attention.

This is the key statement here. Has anyone with the questionable version come forward and said they would be willing to send their copy into JSA or other authenticator? This is the proof that is needed in my opinion.

Again, I feel it is more probable then not that there are fakes out there, but proof is needed to change anything, otherwise, avoid these listings.

As far as this seller, at least he is bringing to attention that there could be an issue with these autos, better then not mentioning it at all. Hopefully a potential buyer would read the description, do more research and make a decision from there

[kent4801]

disregard this post

[bewareof94]

This is the key statement here. Has anyone with the questionable version come forward and said they would be willing to send their copy into JSA or other authenticator? This is the proof that is needed in my opinion.

Again, I feel it is more probable then not that there are fakes out there, but proof is needed to change anything, otherwise, avoid these listings.

As far as this seller, at least he is bringing to attention that there could be an issue with these autos, better then not mentioning it at all. Hopefully a potential buyer would read the description, do more research and make a decision from there

The better question is has anyone actually pulled any of the Contenders Tannehill autographs in question directly from a pack, and is there any video proof?

As I've stated previously, the only questionable autographs have appeared in Contenders, and only in Contenders; and to my knowledge and research, there are no other products or autographs of his from 2012-present where you see a sloppy, single squiggly line signature with no crossed T. Tannehill consistently not only crosses the T in his signature, but also picks up the pen at least once; neither of these are done on the Contenders autos in question.

I agree that buyers should be doing their research, but the seller's description is incredibly misleading. This thread is a few days old and members are still working to bring more information and evidence to light. The seller suggests that this isn't legitimate because somehow it hasn't been mentioned in Beckett or another "reputable" source...whatever that means.

[phinzphan1372]

The better question is has anyone actually pulled any of the Contenders Tannehill autographs in question directly from a pack, and is there any video proof?

As I've stated previously, the only questionable autographs have appeared in Contenders, and only in Contenders; and to my knowledge and research, there are no other products or autographs of his from 2012-present where you see a sloppy, single squiggly line signature with no crossed T. Tannehill consistently not only crosses the T in his signature, but also picks up the pen at least once; neither of these are done on the Contenders autos in question.

I agree that buyers should be doing their research, but the seller's description is incredibly misleading. This thread is a few days old and members are still working to bring more information and evidence to light. The seller suggests that this isn't legitimate because somehow it hasn't been mentioned in Beckett or another "reputable" source...whatever that means.


funny you mention that.... ive been watching old breaks on youtube and have seen a ton of legit looking autos and not 1 of the questionable style

[Netenpike23]

I've been watching old breaks as well I haven't spotted one of the questioned autos. It only takes one video, and I haven't seen one of an in question tannehill pack pulled to post. I'm looking for him because it's easiest to tell.

[gingerscards]

all the scans so far in one post


Pack pulled and redeemed by me....
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_0012_zps783b9f14.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_0012_zps783b9f14.jpg.html)

Also pack pulled by me....
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_9487.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/PC/Badgers%20PC/Russell%20Wilson/IMG_9487.jpg.html)

Not pack pulled by me, but bought right at release because I was collecting him before he blew up....
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/DSC_0205_zpsctllheqf.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/DSC_0205_zpsctllheqf.jpg.html)
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii625/robeythe1/DSC_0234_zpshfwheorg.jpg (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/robeythe1/media/DSC_0234_zpshfwheorg.jpg.html)

Attached is my pack pulled luck. It's not a sloppy signature, seems like the early cards when contenders came out had nicer looking autographs, with more 9 on the bgs grades. just imo observations.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/rockbass6/Andrew%20Luck%20PC/31_1.jpeg (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/rockbass6/media/Andrew%20Luck%20PC/31_1.jpeg.html)

Here are all of the Lucks that sold on eBay in February and March 2013 (first two months after release). I plan to keep going, but I have to get some work done. I think we will see less and less of these show up by month until we hit the one year mark and then the number available will increase and the autos will start to look different. I'll post updates when I have them.

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn427/adamt326/miscellaneous/5A36DC41-E0F6-49FE-A57D-01509A8381CE.jpg~original (http://s322.photobucket.com/user/adamt326/media/miscellaneous/5A36DC41-E0F6-49FE-A57D-01509A8381CE.jpg.html)

I was under the assumption if beckett graded it - it was legit... is that not the case? I have this one I got from someone on here...

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o734/wt55kt15/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/wt55kt15/media/BGS%20and%20PSA/Football/0C5D9C17-F96B-425C-94A1-7826676CEF60_zpsddevbdxi.jpg.html)

Real of fake ? Thanks!

i feel your pain ... I almost bought this ... actually paid 50% and found out it was fake.... I did get my cash back though

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x448/phnzphan1372/Traded%20or%20Sold/4AB6E1C9-48CA-40C0-B137-FDB0839FE8C9-4810-0000016852C65F65.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phnzphan1372/media/Traded%20or%20Sold/4AB6E1C9-48CA-40C0-B137-FDB0839FE8C9-4810-0000016852C65F65.jpg.html)

Too me this one looks like the contenders on the right

I have owned these two for quite some time...Just wanted to get it on record.:D

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq331/duckhtrsalas/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/948BE568-F0A5-4B1C-96BA-3A434EFD98FB.jpg (http://s461.photobucket.com/user/duckhtrsalas/media/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/948BE568-F0A5-4B1C-96BA-3A434EFD98FB.jpg.html)

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq331/duckhtrsalas/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/0D7D713E-6CDC-4070-9B53-32730361AFC1.jpg (http://s461.photobucket.com/user/duckhtrsalas/media/Dolphins/Tannehill%20Autos/0D7D713E-6CDC-4070-9B53-32730361AFC1.jpg.html)

OPINION on TANNEHILLS:


I think B and C are fakes, however you guys are missing something. To my knowledge, Tannehill has at least two autographs.

Here are different autographs of Tannehill (just on contenders):
http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af187/collectabled/Ryan%20Tannehill/TannehillPC001_zpsm0ti2azj.jpg (http://s1006.photobucket.com/user/collectabled/media/Ryan%20Tannehill/TannehillPC001_zpsm0ti2azj.jpg.html)

ONLY talking about the middle row here…. the one on the left all agree is authentic. However, the one in the middle is also authentic…. it is the same autograph on all of his Chrome, Crown Royale, and Finest Autos.

So there are two authentic autograph on contenders, and the "fake" ones you all are talking about are clearly very different.

Very very interesting read thus far..opinions on my Tannehill auto would be appreciated as well. Judging from the post above, it looks very similar to the one on the left.

Will continue to keep an eye on these

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172455_zpsabfdp1ir.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172432_zpsjl7ekxhq.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172542_zps81wdlgoi.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_171857_zpsl7kbdquy.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172616_zpsap5z9qdn.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172808_zpsvig7moiw.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172715_zpsh87blfpx.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172743_zpsn9fecwdz.jpg
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/Coventry6546/Temporary%20Bucket/IMG_20150825_172648_zpslputidpu.jpg

I had the Wilson also but don't have a pic anymore.
http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/robv571/PC%20RCs%20and%20Autos%20NFT/sold%20or%20traded/RGIII%202012%20Prime%20Signatures%20Auto%20RC_zpsrdpbvtsg.jpghttp://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/robv571/PC%20RCs%20and%20Autos%20NFT/sold%20or%20traded/Ryan%20Tannehill%202012%20Prime%20Sig_zpsu7ftjkif.jpg
And I always thought this Luck looked weird when I had it but I don't think anyone was questioning these. I don't have the Contenders Rookie Ink pic anymore.
http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/robv571/PC%20RCs%20and%20Autos%20NFT/sold%20or%20traded/AndrewLuck2012CrownRoyaleSilver149_zps59c07dee.jpg

Saw this mini on ebay with this signature...

I have a Wilson with the crummy auto, but it was sent from Panini so I always took it as being legit and still do:
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/montereyjag/Higher%20End/scan0001-5_zpsd4241541.jpg (http://s749.photobucket.com/user/montereyjag/media/Higher%20End/scan0001-5_zpsd4241541.jpg.html)
Still in the case Panini sent it in, never opened. Now I did buy a suspicious RG3 about a year and a half ago from Probstein on eBay, about the time someone created the original thread about the fakes. I sent it back and Probstein refunded my payment.

Just for the record and for the guys doing vast sets of comparisons, here's my Luck and Tannehill Contenders autos:
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/montereyjag/Higher%20End/IMG_0949_zpshiocytxk.jpg (http://s749.photobucket.com/user/montereyjag/media/Higher%20End/IMG_0949_zpshiocytxk.jpg.html)
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx136/montereyjag/Higher%20End/scan0013-1_zps44ff6516.jpg (http://s749.photobucket.com/user/montereyjag/media/Higher%20End/scan0013-1_zps44ff6516.jpg.html)

Luck Contenders sold on eBay from April 2013-July 2013

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn427/adamt326/miscellaneous/171F28DD-0A79-49D5-B594-A9E211A21A78.jpg~original (http://s322.photobucket.com/user/adamt326/media/miscellaneous/171F28DD-0A79-49D5-B594-A9E211A21A78.jpg.html)

All this makes me nervous and wish I'd hung onto my Luck that I'd pulled, though still would say that mine is likely good. (Just after looking by comparison.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/wju2004/PC/Other%20PC/20140812_204142.jpg

As for the rest...I have been looking at Wilsons and Tannehills, but glad now I'd know what to look for at least.

I pulled all these myself ~

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/Gone%20but%20not%20forgetton/DSC03290_zps289c43f3.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/Gone%20but%20not%20forgetton/DSC03290_zps289c43f3.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02797_zpsa007489d.jpg[/URL

[url=https://flic.kr/p/fpcnRP]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2817/9451493925_29a65ec405_b.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02797_zpsa007489d.jpg.html)DSC03577 (https://flic.kr/p/fpcnRP) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7371/11473746444_f2145bbdd0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/itTX5y)PC200002 (https://flic.kr/p/itTX5y) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02351_zps033fd191.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02351_zps033fd191.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02796_zps92d340be.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02796_zps92d340be.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02792_zps96d66758.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02792_zps96d66758.jpg.html)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/9445887806_105ce1ef8d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/foGDmA)DSC03559 (https://flic.kr/p/foGDmA) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02794_zps4c287d1f.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC02794_zps4c287d1f.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC03243_zpsbb923c51.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/DSC03243_zpsbb923c51.jpg.html)

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww185/vixcards/A%20PERSONAL%20COLLECTION%20NOT%20FOR%20TRADE%20OR%20SALE/NFT/DSC02108.jpg (http://s718.photobucket.com/user/vixcards/media/A%20PERSONAL%20COLLECTION%20NOT%20FOR%20TRADE%20OR%20SALE/NFT/DSC02108.jpg.html)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3901/15337441536_34ffa57d05_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pnjp2b)DSC00111 (https://flic.kr/p/pnjp2b) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3678/12490569834_b1f96a42c9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/k2Krfj)DSC00157 (https://flic.kr/p/k2Krfj) by Virginia Neri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingersportscards/), on Flickr

[bewareof94]

Another questionable Tannehill has been listed, but read the description... it is very misleading to the potential buyer: the seller claims it is "100% authentic," they cite that there is a "forum of some sort" that talks about possible problems with these cards, and that if there was any validity in that, it would be in Beckett or some other publication.

2012 Panini Contenders 204 Ryan Tannehill Auto RC Left Dolphins PSA 10 Hot | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204-Ryan-Tannehill-Auto-RC-Left-Dolphins-PSA-10-HOT-/181846968760?hash=item2a56ec89b8)

Update on this item:

Seller confirmed to me in a message that he did not pull this card, but bought it already graded

[wheeler281]

Update on this item:

Seller confirmed to me in a message that he did not pull this card, but bought it already graded

Leave that poor seller alone lol

[bewareof94]

Leave that poor seller alone lol

Haha I am, just trying to get as much information as possible! :)!

[MeetJSquared]

This is the key statement here. Has anyone with the questionable version come forward and said they would be willing to send their copy into JSA or other authenticator? This is the proof that is needed in my opinion.

Again, I feel it is more probable then not that there are fakes out there, but proof is needed to change anything, otherwise, avoid these listings.

As far as this seller, at least he is bringing to attention that there could be an issue with these autos, better then not mentioning it at all. Hopefully a potential buyer would read the description, do more research and make a decision from there

I'd still be weary even if JSA authenticated it.

Did someone look up consecutive BGS serial numbers on the Tannehills? I might have missed it as there is a flood of pictures in here to sort through.

[randomhereoh]

Well the 9.5/10 I had, that was an example in the OP, was returned and refunded today. Still within my 45 days and I just didnt want to take any chance if it was fake. Clearly suspect, enough for me.

[Lakerman24]

Another possibly fake Tannehill listed on eBay.

2012 Panini Contenders 204A Ryan Tannehill BGS 9 5 Auto 10 RC Dolphins Gem Mint | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204A-Ryan-Tannehill-BGS-9-5-Auto-10-RC-Dolphins-Gem-Mint-/151797379921?hash=item2357d43351)

[randomhereoh]

Another possibly fake Tannehill listed on eBay.

2012 Panini Contenders 204A Ryan Tannehill BGS 9 5 Auto 10 RC Dolphins Gem Mint | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Contenders-204A-Ryan-Tannehill-BGS-9-5-Auto-10-RC-Dolphins-Gem-Mint-/151797379921?hash=item2357d43351)

That is the one I just returned. Took him a 1 whole day to list it.

[MeetJSquared]

Bump for more information.

[wheeler281]

That is the one I just returned. Took him a 1 whole day to list it.

Why wouldn't he? If this thread was not enough for a member in this thread to sell his raw card. You can't expect him not to sell a 9.5/10

[randomhereoh]

Why wouldn't he? If this thread was not enough for a member in this thread to sell his raw card. You can't expect him not to sell a 9.5/10

Why wouldn't he sell it? Idk because there's some pretty good evidence that he's passing along a counterfeit and has no mention of it. I could've sold it and made a big profit, choose not to.

And just want to be clear. I returned it fully expecting to see this seller list it on eBay at some point. It was not a shock. The 1 day comment was just funny to me.

[bewareof94]

Thought I would bump this thread with so much swirl still currently going on with the Russell Wilson Contenders