"Teflon Tom" Brady.......

[DajuanWagner]

What are your feelings about the result? If it had been anyone else, would they have gotten more games/less games/same results???

[Kosmo Kards]

The whole thing was moronic. I'm glad to see Brady playing week 1. Godell has looked so weak in this whole thing as well.

[chitownbears22]

I think this has been addressed numerous times in the other 3 threads.

Blowout has unanimously agreed he is the GOAT and deserved to be exonerated.

[freethrowtommy]

http://pics.livejournal.com/rightclick5ave/pic/00010fc8

[fullmetal]

Wow, you wanted his execution? I think a lifetime ban similar to Pete Rose is more appropriate.

[BostonNut]

Lifetime ban, all records stricken from the record book and all Super Bowls vacated.

I mean he may have told some ball boys to make balls as close to 12.5 PSI as possible. That is absolutely inexcusable and has tarnished the game forever.

The piece of human feces deserves every bad thing that happens to him and his family from here on out...

[ssbledsoe]

Why the hell are the Basketball Forum containment fences down?!

[Tones]

cool another thread!

[xDomePatrolx]

What are your feelings about the result? If it had been anyone else, would they have gotten more games/less games/same results???

What did he do?

[Athey49]

http://pics.livejournal.com/rightclick5ave/pic/00010fc8

I really can't express my opinion any better than this

[IamRalpho]

I think we need more threads on this

[Andrew Jones]

What are your feelings about the result? If it had been anyone else, would they have gotten more games/less games/same results???

Anyone else would have received less than a zero game suspension. Not a doubt in my mind. :coffee:

[chezball]

Please make it stop.

[ssbledsoe]

I think we need more threads on this

I'm a little disappointed we don't have a daily thread...

[IronMonkey415]

FACT: Teflon Tom is play on John Gotti Teflon Don nickname that the press gave him.

[IronMonkey415]

If you want useless fact, I'm the guy you want.

[ssbledsoe]

If you want useless fact, I'm the guy you want.

Why does my scrotum have wrinkles???

[Andrew Jones]

Why does my scrotum have wrinkles???

It is under inflated by .2 PSI?

[norskarv]

Why does my scrotum have wrinkles???

Maybe your balls aren't big enough to fill your sack?

Ugh, beat to the punchline.

[phinzphan1372]

Why does my scrotum have wrinkles???

Makes it easier to throw?

[briscogun]

http://pics.livejournal.com/rightclick5ave/pic/00010fc8

Wow, you wanted his execution? I think a lifetime ban similar to Pete Rose is more appropriate.

No, Brady isn't the one with the gun pointed at his/her head in that gif. That woman represents all the rest of us that would rather have a bullet in our heads than have to deal with one more Brady thread.

I was with you, tommy... ;)

[FanboyOfNone]

If I had a nickel for every time I heard Brady's name this off-season, I'd have...maybe fifty bucks.

Huh. That saying should be updated for inflation.

[ssbledsoe]

It is under inflated by .2 PSI?

I can't tell you how they ended up underinflated :eek:

Maybe your balls aren't big enough to fill your sack?

Ugh, beat to the punchline.

Fairly accurate...

Makes it easier to throw?

You'd have to ask my wife. She tosses them in her purse frequently...

[jasonm2121]

I think this has been addressed numerous times in the other 3 threads.

Blowout has unanimously agreed he is the GOAT and deserved to be exonerated.

yep, case closed, season looms!

[jasonm2121]

“In general about what happens after events like this happen, you start to wonder,” King said. “Part of me wonders whether I’m being used. But part of me also wonders whether somebody very early on in this investigation was just very sloppy and walked out of the stadium that night and said ‘X’ numbers of footballs had been tampered with like it was gospel. When in reality now that we know, if you average out the 22 measurements with the two gauges, you average out the 22 measurements and it averages out to 11.30 [PSI] on the Patriots’ footballs, which, according to the ideal gas law, they could have been as low as 11.32. And you do not give one of the biggest sanctions in the history of the NFL — maybe the biggest if you include that you’re whacking Tom Brady for four games — you don’t do that over two one-hundredths of a pound per square inch.”

[twisty571]

My direct thought on it is where is the Colts fines/picks & Lucks suspension & witch hunt for the couple balls of theirs that were under inflated & why wasn't the rest of them measured once they found a couple low like the Pat's balls?

[phinzphan1372]

Lifetime ban, all records stricken from the record book and all Super Bowls vacated.

I mean he may have told some ball boys to make balls as close to 12.5 PSI as possible. That is absolutely inexcusable and has tarnished the game forever.

The piece of human feces deserves every bad thing that happens to him and his family from here on out...

You are correct! ..... ;) .... I would disagree with you if it wasn't done after refs "checked" them

[phinzphan1372]

My direct thought on it is where is the Colts fines/picks & Lucks suspension & witch hunt for the couple balls of theirs that were under inflated & why wasn't the rest of them measured once they found a couple low like the Pat's balls?

Who complained to the NFL about the colts?

[chitownbears22]

Who complained to the NFL about the colts?

Is it only breaking the rules if someone complains?

Tony Soprano should own a team, he will cheat all day long and no one would say chit.

[phinzphan1372]

yep, case closed, season looms!

Season looms? ... Yes .... Case closed? .... No

[phinzphan1372]

Is it only breaking the rules if someone complains?

Tony Soprano should own a team, he will cheat all day long and no one would say chit.

Unless on the field where everyone can see .... A complaint leads to at least a "looking in to" or an investigation as made obvious by recent events

[chitownbears22]

Unless on the field where everyone can see .... A complaint leads to at least a "looking in to" or an investigation as made obvious by recent events

Well someone did complain about the Patriots. And during the investigation both the Patriots and Colts had balls that were not properly inflated. It is called discovery, and they discovered that the Colts "cheated" too, or you know weather and science.

So where is the Colts punishment, which was the original question. Where?

[JMPKCP]

Can we just create a new Brady and Bryant thread every 15 minutes and then ban everyone who participates?

[armyatc22]

Why is Tom in the quotations? Is his name not Tom?

[phinzphan1372]

Well someone did complain about the Patriots. And during the investigation both the Patriots and Colts had balls that were not properly inflated. It is called discovery, and they discovered that the Colts "cheated" too, or you know weather and science.

So where is the Colts punishment, which was the original question. Where?

Then somebody in an official capacity need to formerly complain .... Not sure why no one has? .... You won't get an argument from me on that one

[Jedi1823]

No, Brady isn't the one with the gun pointed at his/her head in that gif. That woman represents all the rest of us that would rather have a bullet in our heads than have to deal with one more Brady thread.

I was with you, tommy... ;)

That is Myka Bering who is telling HG Wells to shoot.

I miss Warehouse 13.

[chitownbears22]

Can we just create a new Brady and Bryant thread every 15 minutes and then ban everyone who participates?

And here you post...

[Kingofkings1281]

This has been fun, but now it's time to play ball. Who's the last quarterback on the planet I'd want to face this year if I were an opposing team? You guessed it... Frank Stallone....

I mean.... Tom Brady.

[BostonNut]

You are correct! ..... ;) .... I would disagree with you if it wasn't done after refs "checked" them

Nothing was done to the balls after the refs checked them.

The Ideal Gas Law explains the two one hundredths of a PSI that the balls were under. Actually...according to the Ideal Gas Law, the balls should have been flatter than they actually were.

(Why did people stop following this story? :confused: )

[phinzphan1372]

Nothing was done to the balls after the refs checked them.

The Ideal Gas Law explains the two one hundredths of a PSI that the balls were under. Actually...according to the Ideal Gas Law, the balls should have been flatter than they actually were.

(Why did people stop following this story? :confused: )

Berman --- "somebody deflated the balls"

(Why did people stop following this story? :confused: )

[88horsepower]

Berman --- "somebody deflated the balls"

(Why did people stop following this story? :confused: )

Did Judge Berman actually say that?

[BostonNut]

Berman --- "somebody deflated the balls"

(Why did people stop following this story? :confused: )

Except Berman did not focus or rule on that....

[88horsepower]

Except Berman did not focus or rule on that....

Yet many Patriots fans feel that Berman's ruling on procedure exonorated the Patriots of any wrongdoing. Everyone knows the NFL royally screwed up. That's not in question. What is still in question is the integrity of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady.

[BostonNut]

Yet many Patriots fans feel that Berman's ruling on procedure exonorated the Patriots of any wrongdoing.

Who was the only one willing to testify under oath?

[88horsepower]

Who was the only one willing to testify under oath?

Spell it out for me. What's your point?

[BostonNut]

Spell it out for me.

T-O-M B-R-A-D-Y

Tom Brady says under oath that he didn't do it....that means he is exonerated....no?

If not does testifying under oath mean nothing anymore?

Or did he lie and risk going to prison?

[kyle1707]

Why the hell are the Basketball Forum containment fences down?!

lol...................

[pac213up]

Yet many Patriots fans feel that Berman's ruling on procedure exonorated the Patriots of any wrongdoing. Everyone knows the NFL royally screwed up. That's not in question. What is still in question is the integrity of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady.

I do not think the ruling exonerated them, I thought the science in the Wells report and outside of it has.

[BostonNut]

Spell it out for me. What's your point?

T-O-M B-R-A-D-Y

Tom Brady says under oath that he didn't do it....that means he is exonerated....no?

If not does testifying under oath mean nothing anymore?

Or did he lie and risk going to prison?

'ello?????

[phinzphan1372]

Tom Brady says under oath that he didn't do it....that means he is exonerated....NO!



it was just a ruling on the process...

[phinzphan1372]

Except Berman did not focus or rule on that....

but still his opinion after reviewing the case and evidence presented to him .... somehow he still formulated that opinion ... or we discounting anything remotely negative regarding the pats? EVEN after reviewing the "Science" still formulated that opinion .... so keep saying science exonerated him

[pac213up]

but still his opinion after reviewing the case and evidence presented to him .... somehow he still formulated that opinion ... or we discounting anything remotely negative regarding the pats? EVEN after reviewing the "Science" still formulated that opinion .... so keep saying science exonerated him

Science exonerated him.

Berman used the word alleged many times in his ruling for a reason. Most importantly he stuck to the process issues as he is required to do in an attempt to protect the ruling against appeal as much as he could.

[phinzphan1372]

Science exonerated him.

Berman used the word alleged many times in his ruling for a reason. Most importantly he stuck to the process issues as he is required to do in an attempt to protect the ruling against appeal as much as he could.

Berman also uses "someone deflated those balls" .... oh I get it now ... it all makes sense! his name is really Jim "science" mcnally .... I get it science is his middle name .... so in essence then ... science did really deflate those balls

[Cades]

Berman also uses "someone deflated those balls" .... oh I get it now ... it all makes sense! his name is really Jim "science" mcnally .... I get it science is his middle name .... so in essence then ... science did really defeat those balls

care to show me where it says anywhere to deflate balls UNDER the legal limit?

[phinzphan1372]

care to show me where it says anywhere to deflate balls UNDER the legal limit?

care to show me where they WERE over the minimum?

[Cades]

care to show me where they WERE over the minimum?

just as I thought

[BostonNut]

care to show me where they WERE over the minimum?

Sure:

Tom Brady whined about ball pressure during Pats-Jets game, per Wells report - New York Jets Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/51177/tom-brady-whined-about-ball-pressure-during-pats-jets-game-per-wells-report)

[phinzphan1372]

just as I thought

what exactly did you think? ... a federal judge reviewed the science and still formulated the opinion that "someone deflated those balls" and you cannot accept that.... like some gremlin did it .... even in the face of science this federal judge that all you pink hats hang your hat on his decision still had the opinion that they were purposely deflated..... you guys will attempt twist anything

[phinzphan1372]

Sure:

Tom Brady whined about ball pressure during Pats-Jets game, per Wells report - New York Jets Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/51177/tom-brady-whined-about-ball-pressure-during-pats-jets-game-per-wells-report)

if were playing by bermans rules then what does that game have to do with the game in question? .... don't pick and choose to skew an argument or just when the timing seems right

[Cades]

what exactly did you think? ... a federal judge reviewed the science and still formulated the opinion that "someone deflated those balls" and you cannot accept that.... like some gremlin did it .... even in the face of science this federal judge that all you pink hats hang your hat on his decision still had the opinion that they were purposely deflated..... you guys will attempt twist anything

Umm they could have been deflated to 12.5 from 12.6 and someone still could have deflated them exactly and be legal. Again where is it stated to deflate balls under that limit?

[BostonNut]

if were playing by bermans rules then what does that game have to do with the game in question? .... don't pick and choose to skew an argument or just when the timing seems right

Sorry...thought you asked for an example when the balls were over the minimum. You didn't specify which balls...but now I see you meant the AFCCG.

[phinzphan1372]

Umm they could have been deflated to 12.5 from 12.6 and someone still could have deflated them exactly and be legal. Again where is it stated to deflate balls under that limit?

"someone deflated those balls" does not matter what PSI they were trying to get them to... they were under and they had a hand in it .... EVEN if by some reason they were trying to keep them legal... their actions caused them to fall below .... thats the end of that story .... can't twist that another way.... but I'm sure you will try in vain

[fullmetal]

Not much to do in Yankee ville. That snow makes you goofy. Talk a little funny too.

This season some team should use Velcro baseballs with the Velcro mitts for the receivers. I read there are no restrictions on the gloves used.

[pac213up]

what exactly did you think? ... a federal judge reviewed the science and still formulated the opinion that "someone deflated those balls" and you cannot accept that.... like some gremlin did it .... even in the face of science this federal judge that all you pink hats hang your hat on his decision still had the opinion that they were purposely deflated..... you guys will attempt twist anything

He was speaking in reference to the findings of the Wells report.

[pac213up]

A line of questioning is not an opinion. His opinion is captured in his final decision.

"the investigation concerning allegedly deflated footballs used during the AFC
Championship Game on January 18,2015"

"During the August 19, 2015 oral argument, it became apparent that no specific determination was made either in the Vincent's Disciplinary Decision Letter or the Goodell Award as to what portion of Brady's discipline was attributable to alleged ball tampering"

"It also cannot reasonably be used as a comparator for
Brady's four-game suspension for alleged ball deflation by others"

[twisty571]

Yet many Patriots fans feel that Berman's ruling on procedure exonorated the Patriots of any wrongdoing. Everyone knows the NFL royally screwed up. That's not in question. What is still in question is the integrity of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady.

And there is still the question of proof of wrong doing by the Pat's. There is plenty on the NFL though,manipulating the report,report false information and measurements etc...

[pgisback]

Sure:

Tom Brady whined about ball pressure during Pats-Jets game, per Wells report - New York Jets Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/51177/tom-brady-whined-about-ball-pressure-during-pats-jets-game-per-wells-report)

I still cannot understand how ESPN or the media hasn't picked up on the messages about the balls being 16 psi after the game. The very game that Brady was visibly upset on the sidelines about the balls. They take everything those ball boys said as gospel, yet they did not go further in to this issue. To me, this is one of the reasons I realized it was just a witch hunt against the Pats. They didn't even both to take an objective approach.

[phinzphan1372]

He was speaking in reference to the findings of the Wells report.

Berman "someone deflated those balls" ....

[pac213up]

Berman "someone deflated those balls" ....

Within a line of questions in regards to the Wells report. Questions are not opinions. You should probably read the transcript instead of pulling four words out of the text. Keep reaching.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

If you want useless, I'm the guy you want.

Fixed it for you! :)! :)! :)! :)!

[jasonm2121]

ESPN gives “tighter edit” to column criticizing ESPN’s Patriots opus | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/09/espn-gives-tighter-edit-to-column-criticizing-espns-patriots-opus/)

shocker

[ssbledsoe]

I still cannot understand how ESPN or the media hasn't picked up on the messages about the balls being 16 psi after the game. The very game that Brady was visibly upset on the sidelines about the balls. They take everything those ball boys said as gospel, yet they did not go further in to this issue. To me, this is one of the reasons I realized it was just a witch hunt against the Pats. They didn't even both to take an objective approach.

Because it doesn't fit the NFL's narrative that the Patriots cheated. If the PSI of the footballs was such a big GD deal, there wouldn't have been footballs tapping in at 16psi. But, that would just show that the NFL was completely inept at making sure ALL footballs were up to specifications. You know, the "reason" the NFL implemented rules for actually ensuring the game balls meet the specifications in their bylaws.

[ssbledsoe]

ESPN gives “tighter edit” to column criticizing ESPN’s Patriots opus | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/09/espn-gives-tighter-edit-to-column-criticizing-espns-patriots-opus/)

shocker

Way to go ESPN. Censor the best NFL beat writer. What a joke.

[jasonm2121]

Way to go ESPN. Censor the best NFL beat writer. What a joke.

so I guess they just publish anything, anonymously obviously

[phinzphan1372]

Within a line of questions in regards to the Wells report. Questions are not opinions. You should probably read the transcript instead of pulling four words out of the text. Keep reaching.

why not... its what all you pinkhats posted when Stephen Brown posted it ....


Stephen BrownVerified account
‏@PPVSRB
BERMAN: "Somebody deflated the balls, but it didn’t help Mr. Brady. Does that matter?"

so I see it now ..... I left out the last part.... Ok... got it... but the last part is irrelevant ... bottom line is the first part .... it does not matter if it helped or hindered .... it's the point that it was done .... could have hurt him the whole game and never completed 1 pass... but it was still done

[Cades]

why not... its what all you pinkhats posted when Stephen Brown posted it ....


Stephen BrownVerified account
‏@PPVSRB
BERMAN: "Somebody deflated the balls, but it didn’t help Mr. Brady. Does that matter?"

so I see it now ..... I left out the last part.... Ok... got it... but the last part is irrelevant ... bottom line is the first part .... it does not matter if it helped or hindered .... it's the point that it was done .... could have hurt him the whole game and never completed 1 pass... but it was still done

So, if a ref measures a ball at 16 psi, and deflates it down to 13.5 (high end of the rules) and at the end up the game it measures in at 12.4. Is the ref cheating for that team? He did after all deflate the ball.

Or you could use the same for the "deflator" he did put the ball within specifications that the refs clearly cannot and didn't care about prior.

Who was the one cheating that inflated the balls far above the legal limit than any of that pats balls were below that limit

[SaveMeTheGum]

What are your feelings about the result? If it had been anyone else, would they have gotten more games/less games/same results???

Well, the Panthers got caught warming up balls on the sideline, and all the team got was an email and no penalty for Cam Newton, so.....

[pac213up]

why not... its what all you pinkhats posted when Stephen Brown posted it ....


Stephen BrownVerified account
‏@PPVSRB
BERMAN: "Somebody deflated the balls, but it didn’t help Mr. Brady. Does that matter?"

so I see it now ..... I left out the last part.... Ok... got it... but the last part is irrelevant ... bottom line is the first part .... it does not matter if it helped or hindered .... it's the point that it was done .... could have hurt him the whole game and never completed 1 pass... but it was still done

No you are still not seeing the whole thing. Your taking some of the points someone on twitter captured during the hearing. I am actually talking about the full text in the transcript. The full conversation between the Judge and NFL on 8/12.

I will provide it since you do not seem to understand. It goes back even more an it is in line with a conversation about the Wells report and it's findings. The Judge is trying questioning the NFL on the findings.

"THE COURT: And the allegation is, if I remember
correctly, that Mr. Brady was intercepted and somebody from the
Colts caught the ball and determined, I guess in some fashion,
that this ball was unusual or underinflated, turned it over to
16 people up the line and they inspected it and they found that
that ball, and others, were deflated. That's the whole story
because, in fact, at the halftime after they made that
determination, they reinflated the balls and the game resumed
and, ironically or not, it turns out that Mr. Brady did better
with the higher inflated balls than with the underinflated
balls.
So, you might say that he got no competitive advantage
in one sense, from the underinflation, right? Because the
statistics are, I think this is from the Wells report, he says
specifically in the first half Mr. Brady completed 11 of 21
passes for 95 yards and one touchdown, and in the second half
he completed 12 of 14 passes for 131 yards and two touchdowns.
But, anyway that is right, that is the offense we are
talking about what happened, or Mr. Goodell is saying that in
that interim period Mr. McNally, perhaps with the involvement
of Mr. Jastremski, came up and in fact deflated those
footballs, in fact Mr. McNally did it in a bathroom in the
approximate span of a minute and 30 seconds or so. That's what
he found."

[ssbledsoe]

why not... its what all you pinkhats posted when Stephen Brown posted it ....


Stephen BrownVerified account
‏@PPVSRB
BERMAN: "Somebody deflated the balls, but it didn’t help Mr. Brady. Does that matter?"

so I see it now ..... I left out the last part.... Ok... got it... but the last part is irrelevant ... bottom line is the first part .... it does not matter if it helped or hindered .... it's the point that it was done .... could have hurt him the whole game and never completed 1 pass... but it was still done

Who overinflates the balls in the Jets game? Why wasn't there a $5+M 6 month investigation into those balls???

[jasonm2121]

Who overinflates the balls in the Jets game? Why wasn't there a $5+M 6 month investigation into those balls???

it was against the Pats, so it is perfectly ok, nothing to see here lol