Winston vs Mariota

[dmogull]

Not everyday we get to see #1 vs #2 QB picks facing off in the season opener. Can't wait.

Also, big day for collectors/speculators as it can have a huge effect on both players, of course mostly due to hype, but could be interesting.

Hopefully one of the two will shine.

[jsnake89]

I think Mariota will show he is the better QB and the Titians will win by 10.

[Siberian13]

I'd like to see both of them do well. I will be watching for sure

[majestik101]

Looking forward to this game. Is this the first time back to back Heisman trophy winners have squared off against each other in the opening game of their respective seasons? Let alone, Picks #1 and #2? Not sure. Witnessing history here I guess. Anyways it will be a close game but I'm picking Bucs defense to step up and intercept Mariota in the closing moments and for Jameis Winston to "will" his team downfield and put them in position for a last minute FG. Bucs win by 3.

GO BUCS!!

[MeetJSquared]

I feel like Mariota will play better, but for whatever reason I want Winston/TB to win.

I think the best possible scenario is a 6-3/9-3/9-6 game, where both QBs throw 1-2 picks and 150 yards or less. :)!

[NoleinJax]

I hope Winston throws 5 picks and Mariota throws 5 td's so people will dump Winston cards for me to pick up cheap. Lol

[bwallstreet]

I hope Winston throws 5 picks and Mariota throws 5 td's so people will dump Winston cards for me to pick up cheap. Lol

I hope this isn't serious

[pgisback]

I think Winston is going to be a stud. One of the best pocket passers I have seen in college. He has the skillset to be a great NFL qb. Mariotta will be completely dependent on coaching and the offense they run. He could definitely be a Russell Wilson like qb.

[oldcardcolector]

I love my Bucs BUT im still worried about Winstons "love to run it in" attitude. If he keeps it up we might have another RG3 in the making.

[cadillac540]

we might have another RG3 in the making.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3600373/oh-no-you-didn-t-o.gif

[tacoma34]

I think Winston is going to be a stud. One of the best pocket passers I have seen in college. He has the skillset to be a great NFL qb. Mariotta will be completely dependent on coaching and the offense they run. He could definitely be a Russell Wilson like qb.


How do you know this about Wilson? He has only had one coach. This is gonna be his 4th year in the league and he has had to constantly make plays out of nothing by improvising. I find it disturbing that there are so many people that just discredit the guys accomplishments. Seahawks became contenders with his arrival. We had the core LOB before he was drafted. The guy is a born leader.

[pgisback]

I love my Bucs BUT im still worried about Winstons "love to run it in" attitude. If he keeps it up we might have another RG3 in the making.

Winston is one of the slowest qbs in the NFL. I hope he doesn't try to act like RG3. Big Ben is faster than him.

[pgisback]

How do you know this about Wilson? He has only had one coach. This is gonna be his 4th year in the league and he has had to constantly make plays out of nothing by improvising. I find it disturbing that there are so many people that just discredit the guys accomplishments. Seahawks became contenders with his arrival. We had the core LOB before he was drafted. The guy is a born leader.

Just based off stats and watching the games. He's in the perfect situation for his skill set. A game manager that can move the chains backed by one of the best defenses in the NFL. Wasn't knocking him in any way. He's perfect for the Seahawks.

[jimmybeast3]

I think Mariota will show he is the better QB and the Titians will win by 10.

I hope because I will be there!!!!!!!

[bwallstreet]

I love my Bucs BUT im still worried about Winstons "love to run it in" attitude. If he keeps it up we might have another RG3 in the making.

One of the dumbest Winston comments I've ever read and I led a lot of dumb stuff leading up to the draft. Throw it in to tight coverage and risk a turnover, give up and kick a fg or run it in for a TD when you clearly have a lane. It's called taking what the defense gives you.

I'm not even going to address the RG3 in the making comment which is completely ridiculous and off base.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Winston has far better weapons at this time.

[bwallstreet]

I hope because I will be there!!!!!!!

Bring the tissues, it's gonna be a rough day for you.

[fullmetal]

I love my Bucs BUT im still worried about Winstons "love to run it in" attitude. If he keeps it up we might have another RG3 in the making.

Winston doesn't love to run. He will safely stay in the pocket as long as possible. He isn't a runner.

He will live, but more likely die by the offensive line.

He will have a fine career, but I don't expect anything fantastic this year. He doesn't have enough around him.

[ManInTheMirror]

I think Mariota will show he is the better QB and the Titians will win by 10.
I agree with this. I think the score will be 24-14.

[ninjacookies]

Winston has far better weapons at this time.

Pretty much this. I shudder to think what what could have become if Mariota was drafted into Tampa instead. His rushing threat + Martin and Jackson/Evans on the corners.

[mickdapug]

20-6....Bucs!!!!!!

[OLDPAPER]

I will be there...15 rows behind the Bucs bench....probably wishing we drafted Mariota...behind the Bucs horrible offensive line...the guy with the quicker release and that can run around a bit would be more successful.

[ssbledsoe]

I'm looking forward to this matchup so that when Winston slings 2-3 INT's, people will worry about starting QB's against the TITans in DFS :coffee:

[bwallstreet]

Pretty much this. I shudder to think what what could have become if Mariota was drafted into Tampa instead. His rushing threat + Martin and Jackson/Evans on the corners.

Less than what will happen with Jameis. Our playmakers are built for a vertical offense, something a faster version of Alex Smith would never be able to properly utilize. We got the better Quarterback overall and the one best suited to our talent and OC.

I will be there...15 rows behind the Bucs bench....probably wishing we drafted Mariota...behind the Bucs horrible offensive line...the guy with the quicker release and that can run around a bit would be more successful.

Sad that people like this even pay to go to the games. I'm sure when Jameis is at his peak and we're consistently making the playoffs you'll want to enjoy it, you don't deserve to. Please go be a Tennessee Titans fan/Marcus Mariota fan, we don't need any Debbie Downers before the guy has played his first regular season game.

[ninjacookies]

Less than what will happen with Jameis. Our playmakers are built for a vertical offense, something a faster version of Alex Smith would never be able to properly utilize. We got the better Quarterback overall and the one best suited to our talent and OC.


Funny you say that, because Mariota has looked much better and more poised in the pocket than Jameis has the entire preseason.

We shall see how this shakes out, though.

[bwallstreet]

Funny you say that, because Mariota has looked much better and more poised in the pocket than Jameis has the entire preseason.

We shall see how this shakes out, though.

1. Have you seen the way the Titans have babied him? Little dumpoffs and short passes, stat padding would be an accurate way to describe it. Jameis has not been held back and coddled, he has been given a lot more responsibilities early on and the staff thinks it will may dividends long term.

2. I didn't know preseasons, with no gameplans and a rotating cast of players for evaluation purposes was the end all of end alls.

3. Jameis had a very good game against Cincinnati and has shown a nice resiliency in the preseason games where he struggled at times.

4. How many Week 1 starting QBs played in the 4th preseason game? To my knowledge only Mariota. Blatantly obvious that they played him against backups because he had a goose egg for TDs through 3 games and the Titans staff cares more about PR than actual game readiness and preparedness.

Jameis will be the better QB long term and Tampa Bay has a much better foundation to build off of than Tennessee. I don't think they have one offensive player as good as Mike Evans or one defensive player better than Lavonte David or Gerald McCoy.

[ssbledsoe]

Wow. So much kook-aid consumption...

[pgisback]

Just saw Evans was questionable with a hammy. Anyone know the extent of the injury?

[bwallstreet]

Just saw Evans was questionable with a hammy. Anyone know the extent of the injury?

A minor tweak in the 2nd preseason game, they've been letting it heal ever since. He practiced today but was limited. He definitely cold play Sunday, if they hold him out it would be so he is 100% for Week 2 and doesn't reaggravate it vs the Titans.

[pgisback]

A minor tweak in the 2nd preseason game, they've been letting it heal ever since. He practiced today but was limited. He definitely cold play Sunday, if they hold him out it would be so he is 100% for Week 2 and doesn't reaggravate it vs the Titans.

Thanks!!!!

[majestik101]

I love my Bucs BUT im still worried about Winstons "love to run it in" attitude. If he keeps it up we might have another RG3 in the making.

Another RG 3 in the making? I can't even comprehend how ignorant this comment is.

[majestik101]

I will be there...15 rows behind the Bucs bench....probably wishing we drafted Mariota...behind the Bucs horrible offensive line...the guy with the quicker release and that can run around a bit would be more successful.

Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that. I expect Tampa's Defense to make Mariota's day an unpleasant one.

[k13]

Both won't amount to much...

[chitownbears22]

Both won't amount to much...

NBA- Towns and Okafor busts before 1 NBA game.
NFL- Mariota and Winston busts before 1 NFL game
NFL- Luck will never win a championship
MMA- Rousey will be forgotten in 10 years.
NHL- McDavid won't do anything in today's gross NHL
NHL- Jagr > Gretzky
NHL- Toews not top 10 in the league (you spelled it Towes though)

Those are all statements you have made. I will respect your opinion the same day the Nazi party invades Mars. Most negative person on here, but you don't bring facts to support your negativity, you just are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

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[ssbledsoe]

NBA- Towns and Okafor busts before 1 NBA game.
NFL- Mariota and Winston busts before 1 NFL game
NFL- Luck will never win a championship
MMA- Rousey will be forgotten in 10 years.
NHL- McDavid won't do anything in today's gross NHL
NHL- Jagr > Gretzky
NHL- Toews not top 10 in the league (you spelled it Towes though)

Those are all statements you have made. I will respect your opinion the same day the Nazi party invades Mars. Most negative person on here, but you don't bring facts to support your negativity, you just are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

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Whoa. I like busting chops, but Jagr > Gretzky??? GTFO...

[Shinypsptitans]

So far so good O.o

[chitownbears22]

#calledit.....

[coltsnsox07]

Hey don't be so rough on k13, he's already Canadian.

[ninjacookies]

1. Have you seen the way the Titans have babied him? Little dumpoffs and short passes, stat padding would be an accurate way to describe it. Jameis has not been held back and coddled, he has been given a lot more responsibilities early on and the staff thinks it will may dividends long term.

2. I didn't know preseasons, with no gameplans and a rotating cast of players for evaluation purposes was the end all of end alls.

3. Jameis had a very good game against Cincinnati and has shown a nice resiliency in the preseason games where he struggled at times.

4. How many Week 1 starting QBs played in the 4th preseason game? To my knowledge only Mariota. Blatantly obvious that they played him against backups because he had a goose egg for TDs through 3 games and the Titans staff cares more about PR than actual game readiness and preparedness.

Jameis will be the better QB long term and Tampa Bay has a much better foundation to build off of than Tennessee. I don't think they have one offensive player as good as Mike Evans or one defensive player better than Lavonte David or Gerald McCoy.

Lol.


Sup doe.

[Burt-Reynolds]

welcome to the nfl mariotta. geezus.

[IronMonkey415]

It's like we are watching Joe Montana out there.

[oldgoldy97]

Mariotta might just be the thing to make football cards exciting again.

Dang you, Jeremy, for pulling that 1 of 1 at Tom's!

[ninjacookies]

Mariotta might just be the thing to make football cards exciting again.

Dang you, Jeremy, for pulling that 1 of 1 at Tom's!

His prices were already other-worldly because of the Hawaiin and polynesian die-hards. Now they'll just be in another realm.

[jova888]

time to sell my mariota cracked ice..

[oldcardcolector]

I called it before the draft. We should have grabbed Mariotta. Jameis doesnt have anything good in him today at all. Soo disappointed.

[hofcollector2]

1. Have you seen the way the Titans have babied him? Little dumpoffs and short passes, stat padding would be an accurate way to describe it. Jameis has not been held back and coddled, he has been given a lot more responsibilities early on and the staff thinks it will may dividends long term.

2. I didn't know preseasons, with no gameplans and a rotating cast of players for evaluation purposes was the end all of end alls.

3. Jameis had a very good game against Cincinnati and has shown a nice resiliency in the preseason games where he struggled at times.

4. How many Week 1 starting QBs played in the 4th preseason game? To my knowledge only Mariota. Blatantly obvious that they played him against backups because he had a goose egg for TDs through 3 games and the Titans staff cares more about PR than actual game readiness and preparedness.

Jameis will be the better QB long term and Tampa Bay has a much better foundation to build off of than Tennessee. I don't think they have one offensive player as good as Mike Evans or one defensive player better than Lavonte David or Gerald McCoy.

Lol.........

[salivashays]

Bring the tissues, it's gonna be a rough day for you.

LMFAO....:coffee:

[salivashays]

1. Have you seen the way the Titans have babied him? Little dumpoffs and short passes, stat padding would be an accurate way to describe it. Jameis has not been held back and coddled, he has been given a lot more responsibilities early on and the staff thinks it will may dividends long term.

2. I didn't know preseasons, with no gameplans and a rotating cast of players for evaluation purposes was the end all of end alls.

3. Jameis had a very good game against Cincinnati and has shown a nice resiliency in the preseason games where he struggled at times.

4. How many Week 1 starting QBs played in the 4th preseason game? To my knowledge only Mariota. Blatantly obvious that they played him against backups because he had a goose egg for TDs through 3 games and the Titans staff cares more about PR than actual game readiness and preparedness.

Jameis will be the better QB long term and Tampa Bay has a much better foundation to build off of than Tennessee. I don't think they have one offensive player as good as Mike Evans or one defensive player better than Lavonte David or Gerald McCoy.

:)!:)!:)!:)!

[oldgoldy97]

Who will Tampa take first overall next year?

[ssbledsoe]

I'm looking forward to this matchup so that when Winston slings 2-3 INT's, people will worry about starting QB's against the TITans in DFS :coffee:

Bump

The rapist fanboys...lulz

[ssbledsoe]

LMFAO....:coffee:

:)!:)!:)!:)!

Congrats. You will now be called a troll and accused of stalking him. You will needlessly be reported. He will cry. We will laugh. Thank you :)!

[majestik101]

Who will Tampa take first overall next year?

Can we draft a competent Head Coach?

[oldcardcolector]

One of the dumbest Winston comments I've ever read and I led a lot of dumb stuff leading up to the draft. Throw it in to tight coverage and risk a turnover, give up and kick a fg or run it in for a TD when you clearly have a lane. It's called taking what the defense gives you.

I'm not even going to address the RG3 in the making comment which is completely ridiculous and off base.


Ehhhemm did you see the game? You see the hits he was taking because he wanted to run a few? Yeah looking pretty smart right now id say.....:coffee:

[oldcardcolector]

Another RG 3 in the making? I can't even comprehend how ignorant this comment is.

LOL yeah hes looking like a flash in the pan allright. Ignorant nope just saw it coming.:coffee:

[mwash1983]

Winston looks an awful lot like Byron Leftwich, another big pocket QB with a very slow release.

[pudge27t]

I honestly wanted both to do well but seeing that Winston threw reckless in college and Mariota has shown nothing but poise all preseason it was almost predictable, in character that is. I just hope Winston will bounce back and prove his critics wrong. Mariota I honestly was never a fan of and can't really explain why but I gotta give props to the man, I just hope he continues to strive in the league. We need more dominant QBs in the league, if you look at the overall picture its about that time as all the other top QBs are nearing the end of their careers.

[majestik101]

We'll see what Mariota does against a defense worth a damn before we start proclaiming him as the best rookie QB EVAR. Cos' from what I saw being displayed out there, he was not playing against a competent defense. I blame both the defense and Lovie Smith, who is a defense minded coach, and who was making the play calls.

I wonder if Mariota would have had the same success against a defense who didn't sleepwalk through the game. Week 4 against the Bills and their potent defense will be interesting.

As for Winston, I believe he has a lot of potential, but he needs to make much better decisions on the field.

[Pot Roast]

Mariota is at the top of his division!

[ManInTheMirror]

Mariota is at the top of his division!
It may end up staying that way. Only Luck could stand in his way it seems at this point.

[starfox]

I am a Winston fan, but those two picks were child-like.

[jsnake89]

I think Mariota will show he is the better QB and the Titians will win by 10.

Just wanted to bump this up as i called this.

[ssbledsoe]

The Jameis Fanboys are awfully quiet. Lulz...

[Csp]

Not a big fan of either but tampas o line is horrendous or Titans D is that good. The last RC QB to throw a pick 6 in his 1st NFL Debut was Brett Favre.. At least he is in good company..

[trixstar]

Did Mariota throw a pass over 6 yards?

[majestik101]

Did Mariota throw a pass over 6 yards?

Good point.

[bwallstreet]

First off Mariota had a very good game, especially for a rookie. He didn't make very many mistakes, almost threw a pick and almost had a costly fumble deep in his own end zone. He was taking what the defense gave him, which was anything he wanted almost, and just generally had an easy time standing back there for as long as he wanted and finding open receivers.

This was all on the Tampa defense and the horrendous coaching that is being witnessed in Tampa under Lovie Smith. Almost half the players on this team were not on last years team and the same pitiful performance, with no passion and terrible coaching/play-calling. This is what happens when you run a Tampa 2 defense with way bad DE play and no safeties, all we have is a few good LBs(one great LB) and a few good DTs(one great DT), that just won't get it done. Marcus could not have played a better defense to start his career but this is not an NFL caliber defense, he wasn't tested at all, will be when he plays better teams in the future.

Jameis Winston played like a rookie, but more so played like a rookie who got 0 help from his defense without his best offensive teammate who was forced to be one dimensional very early on in the game. Doug and the run game were taken out of the game early by the lopsided score and we all know that is a QBs best friend. He had some bad throws and bad decisions, he had some good throws and good decisions. He ended up with a better QBR than Luck, Flacco and Peyton yesterday, but that's not saying much. He still is the future in Tampa Bay, he still is a great QB prospect and yesterday the whole offense got their butts kicked by a very fired up Tennessee defense who executed their game plan effectively. The rookie OL will get better(Marpet and Smith). EDS, Mankins and Cherilus will not get better and all stunk up the joint in pass protection. Mike not being there definitely hurt the offense, but it would not have changed the outcome, a badly coached team is a badly coached team is a badly coached team.

Overall Mariota had a very good day against a terrible defense and Jameis had a rough day but showed some heart and toughness on a team that struggled in all areas. Tampa Bay needs to set him up for success and they did not/could not do that Sunday.

There is still a ton of football to be played in both guys career, and they will in the end be judged by how they do over the span of their NFL career not by one game or their rookie season. I personally see both guys having a bright future when their teams are better and they have more experience in the league.

[bwallstreet]

I am a Winston fan, but those two picks were child-like.

That's really not true. First one was a bad decision, should not have thrown that ball, no excuse. Second INT was a great play by the defensive player, Winston saw him and tried to float it over his head, he needed to just put it a little bit higher but it was the right decision and a great play by the Tennessee player.

[starfox]

That's really not true. First one was a bad decision, should not have thrown that ball, no excuse. Second INT was a great play by the defensive player, Winston saw him and tried to float it over his head, he needed to just put it a little bit higher but it was the right decision and a great play by the Tennessee player.
Those passes were lazy. I'm a huge Winston fan, but he may need to get his eyes checked. Expectations are great; the haters are waiting to call him a bust.

[sigmachi]

Did Mariota throw a pass over 6 yards?

The pass he threw to Wright was about 10 yards, hitting him in perfect stride. Why does this matter though? Does he have to throw the ball 25-30 yards downfield in order to be a good QB? Like all good QB's he took what the defense gave him, which was the middle of the field. Next week Cleveland will probably sew that up with a safety, leaving 1on1 matchups on the outside. He also didn't run but twice because like I said, he took what the defense gave him. The dude has IT, he has poise, awareness, accuracy, size, speed, character. It would be surprising to me if he didn't become an absolute superstar.

[bwallstreet]

The pass he threw to Wright was about 10 yards, hitting him in perfect stride. Why does this matter though? Does he have to throw the ball 25-30 yards downfield in order to be a good QB? Like all good QB's he took what the defense gave him, which was the middle of the field. Next week Cleveland will probably sew that up with a safety, leaving 1on1 matchups on the outside. He also didn't run but twice because like I said, he took what the defense gave him. The dude has IT, he has poise, awareness, accuracy, size, speed, character. It would be surprising to me if he didn't become an absolute superstar.

These things may be true, but saying that after playing a terrible defense and the worst team in the league in 2014 who clearly still has the same issues is a little premature. Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder would have looked great against that defense yesterday.

I know it's overreaction Monday but reality is reality.

[shayscards79]

I wouldn't read too much into after one game, against that Bucs none the less.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mariota will be better than Winston, but I wouldn't crown Mariota as the next superstar QB either.

[sigmachi]

These things may be true, but saying that after playing a terrible defense and the worst team in the league in 2014 who clearly still has the same issues is a little premature. Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder would have looked great against that defense yesterday.

I know it's overreaction Monday but reality is reality.

You said in the TB Bucs Official Season thread that the LB Corps was a top 3-5 unit and the DT's were the best in the league (in your opinion) You abandoning that already after 1 week?

Tampa has some talent on defense, no doubt about it and Mariota precisely exposed them while playing with a poise usually only seen by grizzled vets.

Tampa was a bad team last year, but don't forget Tennessee was just as bad and probably worse. I think Winston will be a good NFL QB but he's just not as NFL ready as Mariota was.

[ssbledsoe]

The waffling is hilarious!!!

[sigmachi]

I wouldn't read too much into after one game, against that Bucs none the less.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mariota will be better than Winston, but I wouldn't crown Mariota as the next superstar QB either.

As a Titans fan, this was the best game I've watched in a long, long, long time. We had 7 MORE points with 3 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter than we scored in ANY game last year. Dang right I'm going to overreact. Sure it was only Tampa Bay, but we were lowly 2-14 Tennessee, with a QB who wasn't ready for a pro-style offense and who wouldn't likely crack 20 pts....right? I'm not saying he's a tier 1 QB, but I am saying that even after 1 game it's dang apparent that he's better than anything we've seen since Steve "Air" McNair.

[bwallstreet]

The waffling is hilarious!!!

The trolling is pathetic, you've offered nothing to this thread. You're just here to bait and troll me specifically, good for you.

[chitownbears22]

Original Quote

It will be an interesting game. Dick LeBeau is 20-2 against rookie QBs since 1994 (as far as I researched). His only losses as DC to a rookie QB came against Troy Smith in a week 17 game where no starters played, and in 2013 against Brandon Weeden (score 20-14) a game where Charlie Batch started at QB and had 3 ints, and the Cleveland defense recovered 5 fumbles out of 7 forced.

I don't think week 1 is where Winston shows his true value, it will be later in the season.

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All that was with a different organization. Tennessee is lacking in the personnel department in a lot of areas. I'm surprised you haven't been watching Doug Martin more closely, he looks better than his rookie season. Lost 20 pounds, got little faster/quicker but maintained his power. He's been a nightmare to tackle in the preseason.

Yeah, but Dick LeBeau is 78 years old now. There's a reason why the Steelers let him go after all he did for them.

You do know Lebeau will not have his best DB McCourty right?

Dirk Koetter is a longtime OC with tons of success as well.

If Winston throws two TD's and runs one in, which I think he will - they will get a spike. Doesn;t matter who he throws them to!

Never doubt Dick LeBeau vs. rookie QBs. Winston is just another victim of one of the best defensive minds in the game.

[bwallstreet]

You said in the TB Bucs Official Season thread that the LB Corps was a top 3-5 unit and the DT's were the best in the league (in your opinion) You abandoning that already after 1 week?

Tampa has some talent on defense, no doubt about it and Mariota precisely exposed them while playing with a poise usually only seen by grizzled vets.

Tampa was a bad team last year, but don't forget Tennessee was just as bad and probably worse. I think Winston will be a good NFL QB but he's just not as NFL ready as Mariota was.

Do I think those units have the talent? Yes I do. Did they play that way yesterday? Absolutely not. Can they reach their potential in this scheme under this coach? Not a clue.

He wasn't making crazy nice throws against a defense that was challenging him, that defense had 0 emotion, 0 passion and didn't execute a damn thing. His receivers were open on almost every play. Last year Lovies defense was torched by backups like Derek Anderson, not to mention Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco had perfect games. In a Tampa 2, the most important positions are 3 tech and will LB which Tampa has in spades. The most important units are DEs to rush the passer and a Secondary who can cover efficiently and make tackles. Our defense was pathetic in every single aspect of it. That is the flat out truth. Mettenberger would of lit us up. Apparently that is what a Lovie Smith Buccaneers team looks like, everybody had hope it would improve from Year 1 to Year 2, it looks like it is regressed and he doesn't know how to motivate a team.

As a Titans fan, this was the best game I've watched in a long, long, long time. We had 7 MORE points with 3 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter than we scored in ANY game last year. Dang right I'm going to overreact. Sure it was only Tampa Bay, but we were lowly Tennessee, with a QB who wasn't ready for a pro-style offense and who wouldn't likely crack 20 pts....right? I'm not saying he's a tier 1 QB, but I am saying that even after 1 game it's dang apparent that he's better than anything we've seen since Steve "Air" McNair.

You had passion and emotion. Tennessee came to play, Tampa Bay came to get their butts kicked and look pathetic. The Titans, Mariota and just about ever player you guys put out there looked great against out garbage team. Take that for what it is, but don't make long term judgments off of playing us. Whisenhunt showed how much better of a coach he is than Lovie yesterday in almost all facets of coaching.

[Shinypsptitans]

Mariota showd more in one game than I have seen from any Titans QB since Steve Mcnair period......even more impressive was that Mariota was not nervous or rattled and looked and seemed like it was his 100th career NFL game.......EXTREMELY impressive.

[bwallstreet]

Original Quote



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Never doubt Dick LeBeau vs. rookie QBs. Winston is just another victim of one of the best defensive minds in the game.

Dick Lebeau had the defense tuned up, I don't think we would of beat anybody yesterday, not the Skins, 49ers, Raiders, nobody. Every aspect of our offense and defense was just pathetic. For the young guys it is not a death sentence or giving up on them, but painfully obvious this should be Lovie Smiths last job as a HC, Licht needs to find a real coach ASAP.

[chitownbears22]

Dick Lebeau had the defense tuned up, I don't think we would of beat anybody yesterday, not the Skins, 49ers, Raiders, nobody. Every aspect of our offense and defense was just pathetic. For the young guys it is not a death sentence or giving up on them, but painfully obvious this should be Lovie Smiths last job as a HC, Licht needs to find a real coach ASAP.

As I said in the other thread, I have a ton of confidence in Jameis as a player. I have no confidence in Jameis playing in an offense that is in any way connected to Lovie Smith. The guy could be given 2000 NFC Pro Bowl team and find a way to lose to the 2008 Detroit Lions.

[bwallstreet]

Mariota showd more in one game than I have seen from any Titans QB since Steve Mcnair period......even more impressive was that Mariota was not nervous or rattled and looked and seemed like it was his 100th career NFL game.......EXTREMELY impressive.

What would he have been nervous and rattled from? Our lack of pass rush and terrible secondary? Scared he had too much time to throw maybe?

Ohio State would of beat us yesterday and looked like they were professionals.

Mariota made some mistakes as well, he very nearly threw a pick to Kwon Alexander that would have dropped his QB rating 22 points, per PFF and almost had a costly fumble deep in Titans territory to "let Tampa back in the game".

[bwallstreet]

As I said in the other thread, I have a ton of confidence in Jameis as a player. I have no confidence in Jameis playing in an offense that is in any way connected to Lovie Smith. The guy could be given 2000 NFC Pro Bowl team and find a way to lose to the 2008 Detroit Lions.

Yeah, he needs to give up coaching and retire. The nepotism that surrounds him is astonishing. His son is our safeties coach and while I don't mind guys like Melton and Jennings for depth, he'll sign any former Bear he can get his hands on, Chris "The Worst Tackler in the NFL" Conte and Josh McClown as two terrible examples.

I thought we were an under .500 team this year, like 6-7 wins. That technically is still attainable but looks like Lovie will have us competing for a Top 5 pick again.

Greg Schiano was a bad HC and doesn't belong ever being an NFL HC again but he was a much better DC than Lovie could ever dream of being from here on out.

I think I'm done here fellas, ssbledsoe will try to continue to troll me, which I have 0 interest in. I was a hopeful fan before the regular season started who was brought back to reality by the worst team to step on the field in Week 1. Mariota and Titans fans should embrace getting an easy win over our terrible team and enjoy their success, good luck against the 15 better teams you play this year. Jameis will be just fine and will improve and work at it til he gets to where he needs to be.

[ssbledsoe]

I'm looking forward to this matchup so that when Winston slings 2-3 INT's, people will worry about starting QB's against the TITans in DFS :coffee:

The trolling is pathetic, you've offered nothing to this thread. You're just here to bait and troll me specifically, good for you. You have no life and you troll on forums constantly, your family must be really proud of you.

Actually, I'm pretty sure I struck the nail right on the head before the game :cool::)!:flex:

Now I'm hear to watch the masses bumble on and off the Jameis hype-wagon.

Also, you should stay away from personal attacks. That's a reportable offense, as you should well know :coffee:

[chitownbears22]

Yeah, he needs to give up coaching and retire. The nepotism that surrounds him is astonishing. His son is our safeties coach and while I don't mind guys like Melton and Jennings for depth, he'll sign any former Bear he can get his hands on, Chris "The Worst Tackler in the NFL" Conte and Josh McClown as two terrible examples.

I thought we were an under .500 team this year, like 6-7 wins. That technically is still attainable but looks like Lovie will have us competing for a Top 5 pick again.

Greg Schiano was a bad HC and doesn't belong ever being an NFL HC again but he was a much better DC than Lovie could ever dream of being from here on out.

Nepotism is always bad, it is good to have people surrounding you who you trust. I think his idea of building a team is stupid though. Every Chicago Bear who was cut he would bring in for a workout. My Uncle decided to not to renew his Bears season tickets this year and Lovie called offering 2nd row 50 yard line (not true, but you get the point).

I think Tampa would be smart to offer Adam Gase a HC job next year. He is the type of guy you want around a QB like Winston.

[Shinypsptitans]

What would he have been nervous and rattled from? Our lack of pass rush and terrible secondary? Scared he had too much time to throw maybe?

Ohio State would of beat us yesterday and looked like they were professionals.

Mariota made some mistakes as well, he very nearly threw a pick to Kwon Alexander that would have dropped his QB rating 22 points, per PFF and almost had a costly fumble deep in Titans territory to "let Tampa back in the game".

Um, you do realize that it was his first career NFL game? It's called giving credit where credit is due...............looks like someone is mad........or jealous even.......... :coffee:

You probably should be focusing on Jameis's tripping over his own feet yesterday and causing a 3rd and 42 lol....I mean for every one Mariota mistake there were 4-5 by Winston....even Winston's first TD was credited due to a dropped INT by a Titan right to Jenkins hands on the sideline haha.

[bwallstreet]

Nepotism is always bad, it is good to have people surrounding you who you trust. I think his idea of building a team is stupid though. Every Chicago Bear who was cut he would bring in for a workout. My Uncle decided to not to renew his Bears season tickets this year and Lovie called offering 2nd row 50 yard line (not true, but you get the point).

I think Tampa would be smart to offer Adam Gase a HC job next year. He is the type of guy you want around a QB like Winston.

Gase isn't bad but I don't want to see any former Bears flying to Tampa, even a transplant. Todd Haley has had that Pittsburgh offense clicking, I'm sure he'll be a hot candidate. Jim Schwartz knows how to run an aggressive 4-3, tho he's a better DC than HC, they may look there. They may even go after a big time college coach, who knows. Anybody has to be better than Lovie Smith.

[majestik101]

I fear that as long as Lovie Smith is on the team, that we may never see the full potential of Jameis Winston. A scary and sobering thought.

Maybe I am wrong, but I just wonder what this team would be, if it was Jon Gruden on the sidelines. I get the feeling he would not have allowed that team to play as poorly as they did.

[chitownbears22]

Gase isn't bad but I don't want to see any former Bears flying to Tampa, even a transplant. Todd Haley has had that Pittsburgh offense clicking, I'm sure he'll be a hot candidate. Jim Schwartz knows how to run an aggressive 4-3, tho he's a better DC than HC, they may look there. They may even go after a big time college coach, who knows. Anybody has to be better than Lovie Smith.

Could not stand the guy in Chicago. When hiring Marc Trestman is seen as an upgrade that tells you something. Living in Florida I have a couple friends who are Bucs fans and they didn't want to believe me when I told them he is not who you want as a HC. All I heard was "Tampa 2" and "back to the early 2000 Bucs". I just shook my head and felt bad for them.

[bwallstreet]

I fear that as long as Lovie Smith is on the team, that we may never see the full potential of Jameis Winston. A scary and sobering thought.

Maybe I am wrong, but I just wonder what this team would be, if it was Jon Gruden on the sidelines. I get the feeling he would not have allowed that team to play as poorly as they did.

Lovies lucky he wasn't fired in the 2nd quarter on the field, this is his last year in Tampa and I thought he would have this year and next at least.

[NoleinJax]

I hope Winston throws 5 picks and Mariota throws 5 td's so people will dump Winston cards for me to pick up cheap. Lol

Well I wasn't off by much so who's ready to dump their Winston's to me why they are still worth the cardboard they are printed on?:D

[bwallstreet]

Buccaneers 2-3
Titans 1-4

Mariota won Rookie of the Week in Week 1
Winston won Rookie of the Week in Week 2 and Week 5

This is why you don't overreact to one game people. Jameis is the better QB and that will be proven long term.

[RogerGodahell]

I haven't been impressed by either one so far.

[pgisback]

Buccaneers 2-3
Titans 1-4

Mariota won Rookie of the Week in Week 1
Winston won Rookie of the Week in Week 2 and Week 5

This is why you don't overreact to one game people. Jameis is the better QB and that will be proven long term.

Im guilty of panicking after week one. Always thought Winston would be the better NFL qb but he looked sooooooo bad that game and Mariotta looked like the NFL would be easy for him. Man have tides turned. Winston is getting much better out there. And now they got the banged up Redskins. Pretty horrid game, but I'll be watching my skins.

[bwallstreet]

Im guilty of panicking after week one. Always thought Winston would be the better NFL qb but he looked sooooooo bad that game and Mariotta looked like the NFL would be easy for him. Man have tides turned. Winston is getting much better out there. And now they got the banged up Redskins. Pretty horrid game, but I'll be watching my skins.

Ill be there live bud, GO BUCS!

[pgisback]

Ill be there live bud, GO BUCS!

Sooooooo lucky!! That would be fun.

[bwallstreet]

Since the Tampa game, in 4 games Mariota has 5 Passing Touchdowns , 5 Interceptions and 5 fumbles in 4 losses, ouch.

[trixstar]

Yea both these guys suck. Imagine paying 300.00 for their college contenders lol

[ssbledsoe]

Yea both these guys suck. Imagine paying 300.00 for their college contenders lol

Meh. You could drop $1k for a Luck Contenders :eek:

[cadillac540]

Meh. You could drop $1k for a Luck Contenders :eek:

Better investment than $300 for a Russell Wilson Contenders. :coffee:

[trixstar]

Heyyyyyyyyyyy there he is :coffee:

[cadillac540]

Just drinking my morning coffee over here. :coffee::coffee::coffee:

[starfox]

Buccaneers 2-3
Titans 1-4

Mariota won Rookie of the Week in Week 1
Winston won Rookie of the Week in Week 2 and Week 5

This is why you don't overreact to one game people. Jameis is the better QB and that will be proven long term.
I'm a huge Winston fan, but Winston has a long way to go. Right now, Mariota is better, as he hasn't thrown the pathetic and lazy interceptions that Winston has. Winston needs to stop relying on his talent so much, and start focusing on perfecting the little things and allowing his teammates to help him more.

[JMPKCP]

Buccaneers 2-3
Titans 1-4

Mariota won Rookie of the Week in Week 1
Winston won Rookie of the Week in Week 2 and Week 5

This is why you don't overreact to one game people. Jameis is the better QB and that will be proven long term.


Um...you're referring to the Pepsi rookie of the week. These are the same people who last year's Pepsi rookie of the year was awful Bridgewater instead of ODB.

[bwallstreet]

I'm a huge Winston fan, but Winston has a long way to go. Right now, Mariota is better, as he hasn't thrown the pathetic and lazy interceptions that Winston has. Winston needs to stop relying on his talent so much, and start focusing on perfecting the little things and allowing his teammates to help him more.

Have you been watching them both play? Mariota has more turnovers than Winston. Mariota is fumbling at a crazy rate and doesn't have a Rushing TD like Winston. Mariota also is allowing himself to be sacked at a much higher rate than Jameis is, both O lines have been good at times and bad a times but Jameis gets the ball out quicker under pressure to prevent sacks, Mariota has been sacked 19 times, Winston has been sacked 11 times.

I'm not saying Mariota is trash or that Jameis is a god, they are both rookies and have shown a high upside and had predictable rookie struggles.

If you read what was written in this thread after Week 1 and everywhere else, Mariota was a superhuman who was on his way to being the best rookie QB ever and Jameis was a terrible player who would never get it figured out. It was a complete overreaction to one game.

[starfox]

Have you been watching them both play? Mariota has more turnovers than Winston. Mariota is fumbling at a crazy rate and doesn't have a Rushing TD like Winston. Mariota also is allowing himself to be sacked at a much higher rate than Jameis is, both O lines have been good at times and bad a times but Jameis gets the ball out quicker under pressure to prevent sacks, Mariota has been sacked 19 times, Winston has been sacked 11 times.

I'm not saying Mariota is trash or that Jameis is a god, they are both rookies and have shown a high upside and had predictable rookie struggles.

If you read what was written in this thread after Week 1 and everywhere else, Mariota was a superhuman who was on his way to being the best rookie QB ever and Jameis was a terrible player who would never get it figured out. It was a complete overreaction to one game.
I hear what you're saying , but Winston has thrown interceptions right to players, lazy ones. Being a Winston fan, I'm tough on him; I also know that he can rely on his talent too much. That doesn't always work on this level; this is not ACC competion, not even SEC competition. These guys (usually) are the best of the best, whether you knew some of them in college or not. Winston has a propensity to lock on to receivers almost immediately. He has to look the safety (or guy playing the zone)off. He has not done that nearly enough thus far. I don't expect greatness from Winston in year one, but I also never expected him to throw lazy passes directly at defenders. In your previous response, you asked if I watched the games. Well, the film/games will show those lazy interceptions, too. I want Jameis to succeed more than most, but like I said - the little things.

[55clemente]

I hear what you're saying , but Winston has thrown interceptions right to players, lazy ones. Being a Winston fan, I'm tough on him; I also know that he can rely on his talent too much. That doesn't always work on this level; this is not ACC competion, not even SEC competition. These guys (usually) are the best of the best, whether you knew some of them in college or not. Winston has a propensity to lock on to receivers almost immediately. He has to look the safety (or guy playing the zone)off. He has not done that nearly enough thus far. I don't expect greatness from Winston in year one, but I also never expected him to throw lazy passes directly at defenders. In your previous response, you asked if I watched the games. Well, the film/games will show those lazy interceptions, too. I want Jameis to succeed more than most, but like I said - the little things.

I think what you're saying is generally fair, though I'm not sure I'd jump quite to the 'lazy' characterization that you make. Winston doesn't 'rely' on his talent so much as he's still figuring out just what he can pull off. He's at times overconfident in the throws he can execute and windows he can hit, but I'd chalk that up to the normal development process for a young QB. He is a hard worker (both practice and studying film), and known to be a "grinder" as far as game prep. Yes, there have been some terrible mistakes, but nothing I can't see him growing out of.

[bwallstreet]

I think what you're saying is generally fair, though I'm not sure I'd jump quite to the 'lazy' characterization that you make. Winston doesn't 'rely' on his talent so much as he's still figuring out just what he can pull off. He's at times overconfident in the throws he can execute and windows he can hit, but I'd chalk that up to the normal development process for a young QB. He is a hard worker (both practice and studying film), and known to be a "grinder" as far as game prep. Yes, there have been some terrible mistakes, but nothing I can't see him growing out of.

I'd agree with this and I've seen every throw preseason and regular season. I have tried in my responses not to make excuses for some of his interceptions. If you look at his first interception, which was returned for a TD vs Tennessee, it was to Humphries who isn't even on the team anymore. The route was lazy and he allowed the DB a clean shot at the ball right in front of him. Normans pick 6 for Carolina was on a similar route in the flat to Meyers. Meyers was still backing up away from the ball as it was intercepted instead of coming back towards it to secure the catch.

I see improvement and I think he will continue to get better with small bumps in the road from time to time. He is clearly the most talented QB to be in Tampa since Steve Young or Doug Williams. He's already matched our win total from 2014 in 5 games.

[pgisback]

Gotta give props to Jameis, that first game he looked like a sure Jamarcus Russell type bust, but he's really done a 180. 3 solid games in a row. 4 tds, 0 ints. Needs to work on accuracy a bit, but he's looking the part of the #1 pick.

[bes04c9]

Jameis looks like he is getting better each week. If it wasnt for the terrible choke job by the coaches against the Redskins, the Bucs would be 4-3.

[Shinypsptitans]

28/39 371 yards 4 TD 0 INT for mariota today. Both qbs looking solid so far!

[majestik101]

I'd rather have Jameis Winston than Mariota. I'm not saying that as a Bucs fan, I just think his skills translate better to the NFL. But yeah, both of them looked good today.

[meandsharon11]

Mariota's stats sure look an awful lot like Brady's.

[sigmachi]

As a Titans fan I'm so glad to have Mariota. What a stud. You see what he can do when he has time to throw. Well on his way to a ROY award.

65.5% Cmp 1610 Yds 13 TD 5 INT 101.5 RTG

AND he has basically lived in the pocket, they have only ran him 11 times this year so that's an aspect of his game that he has yet to unleash. I thought he couldn't throw into tight windows? I thought all he did at Oregon was hit wide open receivers? Poor arm strength? Yeah he was just a system QB alright...

[Eckstein197]

As a Titans fan I'm so glad to have Mariota. What a stud. You see what he can do when he has time to throw. Well on his way to a ROY award.

65.5% Cmp 1610 Yds 13 TD 5 INT 101.5 RTG

AND he has basically lived in the pocket, they have only ran him 11 times this year so that's an aspect of his game that he has yet to unleash. I thought he couldn't throw into tight windows? I thought all he did at Oregon was hit wide open receivers? Poor arm strength? Yeah he was just a system QB alright...

Yes he has good stats, but there is a very small chance he wins ROY due to Amari Cooper and/or Gurley

[kyle1707]

It's the QB position.. The hardest position in sports.. IMO

And the RC year is always filled with issues... Even the greats...

With that being said... They both look like they will be very good..

Look at the jump Carr and Bortles have made in second year....

We need young QB's in his awful QB talent league...

So lets all hope Carr Bortles Bridgewater mariota and Winston turn out good..

Because the QB greats are getting very old right now... need a change of guard..

[sigmachi]

Yes he has good stats, but there is a very small chance he wins ROY due to Amari Cooper and/or Gurley

Let's extrapolate his stats to add another 8 games. I will assume Mariota will throw for 250 yds, 2 TD's and 1 INT per game. I will assume that Gurley and Cooper both gain an average of 100 yards and .75 TD's per game. This is what it would look like

Gurley-1464 Yards, 10 TD's
Cooper-1453 Yards, 10 TD's
Mariota-3610 Yards, 29 TD's, 13 INT's

I think it will be much closer than the "small" chance you mention.

[Shinypsptitans]

Per @PFF, Mariota was blitzed seven times Sunday. He completed all seven passes for 120 yards and a perfect 158.3 passer rating.\

So much for blitzing the rookie QB and pressure?

[NoleinJax]

Per @PFF, Mariota was blitzed seven times Sunday. He completed all seven passes for 120 yards and a perfect 158.3 passer rating.\

So much for blitzing the rookie QB and pressure?

Pretty solid against the 31st ranked defense, one that does this type of stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=762QWaLe_n4

I'm not saying he is not going to be good, just not to confuse stats with greatness.

[sigmachi]

Pretty solid against the 31st ranked defense, one that does this type of stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=762QWaLe_n4

I'm not saying he is not going to be good, just not to confuse stats with greatness.

I don't think i ever remember a rookie having to prove himself more than MM does. First it was that he wasn't NFL ready because of Oregon's system, then he didn't have the arm, then he wasn't vocal enough to be a leader, now it's wait until he plays a good defense. He has answered every single question to the point where the doubters are just looking silly right now struggling to come up with something new. They are still NFL players and he is still one of the youngest players in the league, just turning 22 last week. He should break or come close to breaking every rookie passing record out there (in 14 games nonetheless) but somehow I bet people will still come up with some silly asterisk.

[darkman]

Pretty solid against the 31st ranked defense, one that does this type of stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=762QWaLe_n4

I'm not saying he is not going to be good, just not to confuse stats with greatness.

I think something that is being overlooked is the level of talent that they each have around them. The Bucs have excellent receivers, I cannot name a receiver on the Titans...

[Eckstein197]

Let's extrapolate his stats to add another 8 games. I will assume Mariota will throw for 250 yds, 2 TD's and 1 INT per game. I will assume that Gurley and Cooper both gain an average of 100 yards and .75 TD's per game. This is what it would look like

Gurley-1464 Yards, 10 TD's
Cooper-1453 Yards, 10 TD's
Mariota-3610 Yards, 29 TD's, 13 INT's

I think it will be much closer than the "small" chance you mention.

I think 250 a week is high. More like 200 a week.

[meandsharon11]

I think something that is being overlooked is the level of talent that they each have around them. The Bucs have excellent receivers, I cannot name a receiver on the Titans...


Their best receiver is their tight end.

[upsheez]

Hey don't forget....Winston's first NFL pass was a TD...

for the Titans :p

Oh, the irony.

[Shinypsptitans]

I think 250 a week is high. More like 200 a week.

Even when mariota threw for close to 400 yards twice already in only 5 games?

[sigmachi]

I think 250 a week is high. More like 200 a week.



Maybe so but he has averaged 268 to this point so it's not that far fetched. Especially since he will probably get better as the season progresses and he learns more about the game and gets more comfortable in the new offense

[devo]

Mariota and Winston will be co-GOATs

[shultsy24]

Mariota is king at 5 yard slant routes. Take it for what you will, but I'd rather have a guy that will take chances and move the ball Down the field than and dink and dunker. He is extremely uncomfortable throwing the ball farther than 15 yards. Winston is the clear cut leader in tampa, getting better by the game. I think they will both be good, but in the end I see winston being better. It's only a matter of time before nfl teams pick up on the check down routes and shut them down.

[JMPKCP]

I honestly think that week by week the "who is better" changes. Mariota has unquestionably had bigger games, but he has more to work with IMO.

[darkman]

I honestly think that week by week the "who is better" changes. Mariota has unquestionably had bigger games, but he has more to work with IMO.

I disagree, he has had 3 different guys at starting RB and his best receiver is Delanie Walker.. JW has Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a good RB in Doug Martin. JW clearly has better weapons.

[NoleinJax]

I disagree, he has had 3 different guys at starting RB and his best receiver is Delanie Walker.. JW has Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a good RB in Doug Martin. JW clearly has better weapons.

They are great weapons when they do their job, but when Evans is dropping 6 passes in a game he goes from being a weapon to a liability.

[starfox]

I disagree, he has had 3 different guys at starting RB and his best receiver is Delanie Walker.. JW has Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a good RB in Doug Martin. JW clearly has better weapons.
Disagree all you will, but Mike Evans has played soft almost all year. He plays as though he is trying to avoid injury. Kendall Wright and Delanie Walker are little better than Evans, Jackson, and company right now. But I must say that the Bucs' offensive line is playing better than I thought it would.

[fullmetal]

Disagree all you will, but Mike Evans has played soft almost all year. He plays as though he is trying to avoid injury. Kendall Wright and Delanie Walker are little better than Evans, Jackson, and company right now. But I must say that the Bucs' offensive line is playing better than I thought it would.

My brow wrinkled too when I read that. Evans can't catch a tennis ball with Velcro gloves. The rest of the receivers were pulled off high school teams because of the injuries to all the NFL/NCAA caliber receivers on the Bucs' roster. During many plays it looks like Winston is stuck throwing to a receiving core of pee-wee players. They can't catch when left completely wide open.

Without any receivers the defense can focus on stopping the run.

I have no idea how good/bad Winston can/will be. We sure can't see it with the assets provided to him this season.

[majestik101]

Let's not jump the gun on Mike Evans. He will be fine. It's not the end of the world. Though if he has another game with 5+ drops, or shows a trend of dropping balls, then it might be time to start worrying. But I suspect he won't have another game like that in his career. The dude can flat out play.

[devo]

Through 10 games:

Titans: 2-8
Buccaneers: 5-5

Mariota: 169/259; 65.3%; 2,026 YDS; 13 TD; 6 INT; 61.2 QBR; 96.1 RAT
Winston: 183/314; 58.3%; 2,405 YDS; 15 TD; 9 INT; 63.2 QBR; 84.5 RAT

[Eckstein197]

I would say if this is a week by week competition, Jameis won this week lol

[Wolves4Life]

Through 10 games:

Titans: 2-8
Buccaneers: 5-5

Mariota: 169/259; 65.3%; 2,026 YDS; 13 TD; 6 INT; 61.2 QBR; 96.1 RAT
Winston: 183/314; 58.3%; 2,405 YDS; 15 TD; 9 INT; 63.2 QBR; 84.5 RAT

Winston needed 5 TDs against 2nd worst defense i've seen (Saints clearly first) and he's still barely better than Mariota who missed 2 games lol.

[ninjacookies]

Through 10 games:

Titans: 2-8
Buccaneers: 5-5

Mariota: 169/259; 65.3%; 2,026 YDS; 13 TD; 6 INT; 61.2 QBR; 96.1 RAT
Winston: 183/314; 58.3%; 2,405 YDS; 15 TD; 9 INT; 63.2 QBR; 84.5 RAT

Evans and V Jax vs. Kendall Wright and DGB
Martin and Simms vs. Andrews and Mccluster

I'll give Mariota the edge in TE only because ASJ is a fragile girlscout, but Walker has been battling injuries himself

Otherwise, Mariota is doing more with much less, imo.

[mma138]

better then the luck /griffin year ? oh wait nevermind......... that year had Russell too

[bwallstreet]

Winston needed 5 TDs against 2nd worst defense i've seen (Saints clearly first) and he's still barely better than Mariota who missed 2 games lol.

LMAO, please. Guy didn't include Jameis has 4 rushing TDs, Mariota only 1, along with Mariota being 2nd highest in NFL with 4 fumbles lost, Jameis only has 1.

Mariota has 14 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers, while Jameis has 19 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers. So Mariota has the same amount of turnovers in 2 less games, and 5 less touchdowns, while averaging less than 2 per game.

Mariota also has 24 sacks in 8 games(3 sacks per game), and Jameis has 17 in 10 games(1.7 sacks per game) because Jameis has shown Big Ben type ability to shrug off pass rushers and get the ball out of his hand while still being pressured.

Hilarious how people cherry pick stats

[Wolves4Life]

LMAO, please. Guy didn't include Jameis has 4 rushing TDs, Mariota only 1, along with Mariota being 2nd highest in NFL with 4 fumbles lost, Jameis only has 1.

Mariota has 14 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers, while Jameis has 19 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers. So Mariota has the same amount of turnovers in 2 less games, and 5 less touchdowns, while averaging less than 2 per game.

Mariota also has 24 sacks in 8 games(3 sacks per game), and Jameis has 17 in 10 games(1.7 sacks per game) because Jameis has shown Big Ben type ability to shrug off pass rushers and get the ball out of his hand while still being pressured.

Hilarious how people cherry pick stats

Winston also has better talent around him.

[bwallstreet]

Winston also has better talent around him.

Worst NFL team in 2014

No major defensive upgrades, only changes on offense are Jameis and a few OL(2 of which are rookies)

Week 1 happened

Bucs defense 26th in scoring defense, Titans 18th

Last 3 games before Philadelphia, Jameis was missing #2 WR Vincent Jackson, #3 WR Louis Murphy, #1 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins. Bucs were 2-1 during that stretch, Jameis scoring in final minute to beat Cowboys and driving us for a GW score in OT vs Atlanta.

Against Philly only Jackson came back, threw TDs to Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Charles Sims, Russell Shepard, Cameron Brate.

The "better talent" argument is super weak.

[MC80_LCM]

While I do think Winston has been more impressive than Mariota, to say he doesn't have superior talent around him really is just wrong. While its not a ton better its certainly better. Walker is pretty much the only player on the Titans that I would take over the same position player on the Bucs.

Running Game: Bucs are 2nd in the league and the Titans are 21st
Main RB - Doug Martin >>>>>>>>>>>Antonio Andrews
3rd Down RB - Charles Sims >>>Dexter Mcluster.

#1 WR - Mike Evans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kendall Wright(I honestly don't know who the Titans would consider their #1)
#2 WR - Vincent Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dorial Green Beckham
#3 WR - Adam Humphries = Harry Douglas
TE - Walker >>>>>>>>Cameron Brate/Brandon Myers although this gets a lot closer if ASJ ever comes back.

Once again, I don't think its entirely the reason that Winston has been better, imo, than Mariota but the Titans skill position players are right up there with San Fran and St. Louis as the worst in the league.

[bwallstreet]

While I do think Winston has been more impressive than Mariota, to say he doesn't have superior talent around him really is just wrong. While its not a ton better its certainly better. Walker is pretty much the only player on the Titans that I would take over the same position player on the Bucs.

Running Game: Bucs are 2nd in the league and the Titans are 21st
Main RB - Doug Martin >>>>>>>>>>>Antonio Andrews
3rd Down RB - Charles Sims >>>Dexter Mcluster.

#1 WR - Mike Evans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kendall Wright(I honestly don't know who the Titans would consider their #1)
#2 WR - Vincent Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dorial Green Beckham
#3 WR - Adam Humphries = Harry Douglas
TE - Walker >>>>>>>>Cameron Brate/Brandon Myers although this gets a lot closer if ASJ ever comes back.

Once again, I don't think its entirely the reason that Winston has been better, imo, than Mariota but the Titans skill position players are right up there with San Fran and St. Louis as the worst in the league.

Adam Humphries does not equal Harry Douglas, that is silly and stupid. Harry Douglas was a 3rd round pick in 2008, who has a 1000 yard season on his resume and has caught a touchdown in every season of his career. Adam Humphries is an undrafted free agent who has spent most of the year on the practice squad, has 16 catches and no TDs in his rookie year. Apples and oranges.

For the Atlanta, New York and Dallas games besides Mike Evans we had 2 undrafted free agent rookies(Donteea Dye and Adam Humphries) and 3rd year undrafted free agent Russell Shepard, 26 career catches between the 3 of them.

Superior talent is not the reason Jameis has the worst team in the NFL in 2014 one game back of the wildcard in 7th place in the NFC. He is leading us to victory with HIS talent and HIS effort. Go watch the OT drive in Atlanta, where he is getting passes off with 2 pass rushers hanging on him.

Our defense is 26th in points score per game and Jameis still finds a way to win.

It's a weak argument by people who can't come up with a better argument.

[starfox]

Winston also has better talent around him.
So there always has to be a slight when Winston does well. It's still early; we don't know who will the better of the two. Nevertheless, when Mariota does well, he gets a considerable amount of praise. Look - like who you want to like, but I have enjoyed them both to this point. Being an FSU fan, I prefer Winston over Mariota, but I also think Mariota has had bright moments (like his first NFL game against Winston). Honestly, with the way Tampa's receivers have dropped the ball this season, I would say that those receivers have underachieved, thus being no greater than Tennessee's receivers. The difference overall is that Tampa is playing better and growing as a team while Tennessee is stuck in the mud right now. The success of these two quarterbacks will depend on the competence of others in these two organizations more than them. I don't care if you're Elway or Montana - teams win games, not quarterbacks alone.

[majestik101]

Just saw this.

309808

[darkman]

Man, we will definitely have to agree to disagree.. I would rather have Jackson and Evans over Wright and whoever the Titans #2 reviever is , any day of the week. Plus Martin.. Yeah you guys are nuts.

[Shinypsptitans]

Mariota 87 yard td run insane

[starfox]

Touchdown pass by Winston!

[Eckstein197]

Mariota had a long touchdown run but Winston's 20 yard run on 3rd and forever was dang important too. How many QBs in the league could take a couple of hits like that, stay on their feet and still scramble 8 more yards

[starfox]

Mariota had a long touchdown run but Winston's 20 yard run on 3rd and forever was dang important too. How many QBs in the league could take a couple of hits like that, stay on their feet and still scramble 8 more yards
Spot on.

[bwallstreet]

Mariota had a long touchdown run but Winston's 20 yard run on 3rd and forever was dang important too. How many QBs in the league could take a couple of hits like that, stay on their feet and still scramble 8 more yards

Was absolutely vital on that GW drive to complete the 4th quarter come back. Multiple defenders had him dead to rights, he backed out and got the first down on sheer effort. Capped the drive with the great pass to Evans for the win.

Jameis in the playoff hunt, #7 seed currently. Mariota and Titans battling for #1 pick.

[Skootown]

I think that these two just might be the next generational QBs.

Winston especially seems to still be underrated in the hobby and as a whole, considering he was the #1 pick.

[chitownbears22]

I think that these two just might be the next generational QBs.

Winston especially seems to still be underrated in the hobby and as a whole, considering he was the #1 pick.
Sucks that he plays for Tampa and that every time he does something good on the field TV, talk radio, and Internet media bring up alleged rape and crab legs.

Have to love a world where you can be punished for a crime you were never found guilty of.

[darkman]

Was absolutely vital on that GW drive to complete the 4th quarter come back. Multiple defenders had him dead to rights, he backed out and got the first down on sheer effort. Capped the drive with the great pass to Evans for the win.

Jameis in the playoff hunt, #7 seed currently. Mariota and Titans battling for #1 pick.

So now the better team argument is back on the table now that MM has better stats in two less games. Nice .

One thing that can be said is that the Titans are not losing cause of MM.

[chitownbears22]

So now the better team argument is back on the table now that MM has better stats in two less games. Nice .

One thing that can be said is that the Titans are not losing cause of MM.
They aren't winning because of him either unfortunately. The only solid win on their resume is Tampa week 1 and that was 3 months ago, can't really continue to hang your hat on that.

He is good, and his team is holding him back at this point. Unfortunately for him, as far as rookie awards go, he is behind Winston because the playoffs are within reach and that is in large part to what Winston has done. Without Winston, Doug Martin doesn't get the looks he has. Defenses can't stack the box. The offense sustaining drives keeps the D off the field, which helps keep games manageable.

Both are good, but one is winning. But it would not surprise me if both of these guys are faces of their franchises for many years

[bwallstreet]

So now the better team argument is back on the table now that MM has better stats in two less games. Nice .

One thing that can be said is that the Titans are not losing cause of MM.

Its sad that you people keep going back to delegitimizing Winston's play with such a weak argument about supporting staff.

Apparently you don't know what you're talking about because Winston has better stats.

Total Touchdowns
Winston 22
Mariota 21

Total Turnovers
Winston 12
Mariota 14

Wins
Winston 6
Mariota 3

Those are the facts buddy. Also, Mariota missing games by injury isn't some badge of honor, it's whats expected with a slight frame and a running QB at the professional level.

[Zacy87]

I think they've both exceeded expectations so far.

Personally i prefer Winston over Mariota.

[Eckstein197]

The total turnovers is the shocking part in this discussion. Mariota has missed 2 games and still has turned the ball over more. Not saying anything bad about Mariota, but coming out of college, a big reason people liked Mariota more was because he held onto the ball and didn't throw INTs while we knew Winston would because it forces the ball

[majestik101]

All you need to do is watch Jameis Winston's post game press game conference to know this kid is the real deal.

I love his response towards the end of the conference. This is Jameis in a nutshell... (6:50, referring to comments made about him by team mate Demar Dotson)

Press Conference: QB Jameis Winston (http://www.buccaneers.com/videos/videos/Press-Conference-QB-Jameis-Winston/a4215610-5949-46d9-85f4-77df81eae0b0)

[bwallstreet]

The total turnovers is the shocking part in this discussion. Mariota has missed 2 games and still has turned the ball over more. Not saying anything bad about Mariota, but coming out of college, a big reason people liked Mariota more was because he held onto the ball and didn't throw INTs while we knew Winston would because it forces the ball

He has thrown less interceptions, Mariota 9, Winston 11. That is due to the 2 less games. It's the fumbles lost that really make the difference, Mariota 5, Winston 1.

Mariota is 2nd in NFL with most fumbles lost behind Josh McCown.

[NoleinJax]

Sucks that he plays for Tampa and that every time he does something good on the field TV, talk radio, and Internet media bring up alleged rape and crab legs.

Have to love a world where you can be punished for a crime you were never found guilty of.

Hell, he wasn't even charged. I'm fine with it though as his prices are relatively low right now. He'll be leading the Bucs to the playoffs soon, if not this year.

[freethrowtommy]

LOL! I love this!

https://twitter.com/WFLAPaul/status/673614238594764800

Jameis confirms. He literally asked the huddle who wants to score a TD and Evans was the first to answer. Then he caught the game-winner.

That is great.

Then I saw this comment which made me lose it.

Meanwhile, in the Vikings huddle: "Anyone want to score a TD? No? Ok."

[ninjacookies]

I like both, honestly...and hope both succeed. It's just unfortunate Mariota got thrown into a dumpster fire where 'bishop sankey' was an early season hype train. He has absolutely zero receiving threats, and Wright just can't stay healthy for more than a consecutive weeks.

Winston is slowly making progress every week. I love his consistency. He's not tearing it up by any means, but that's not what you expect from a rookie qb...especially one as young as him.

My only concern is Mariota's long-term health. History just not bode well for slender, athletic mobile qb's. It just never ends well. But I hope he can break the cycle. He's one of the most entertaining qb's to watch just because of that homerun threat.

[jasonm2121]

LOL! I love this!

https://twitter.com/WFLAPaul/status/673614238594764800



That is great.

Then I saw this comment which made me lose it.

hahahhahahahaahaaha

[Shinypsptitans]

Mariota has 14 TD and 0 INT in the redzone along with the highest QB rating in the NFL....how about that for a rookie!

[starfox]

Mariota has 14 TD and 0 INT in the redzone along with the highest QB rating in the NFL....how about that for a rookie!
And that has only equated to three wins with four possible games left. Winston, on the other hand, has his team at 6 - 6 with a real possibility to win as many as nine games (possibly ten). It's way too early to tell who's the better of the two, but I think Winston will be. The thing that gets me is the JaMarcus comparisons (I know you didn't say it, but some people do). JaMarcus never won a Heisman, National Title, and all his college games, save one. Then there are the Ryan Leaf comparisons. Leaf was mentally weak; Jameis' M.O. is his mental toughness. If someone goes the route of comparing Winston to Vick, that's also absurd. Vick admitted to not preparing as hard as he should - more than once. Everyone around talks about Jameis' strong work ethic. Look - I know you said none of these things about Winston, but it was just on my mind the LAZY statements made about Jameis. I am not saying he'll be equal to Elway, Montana, or Moon, but the kid is now doing all the right things.

[darkman]

Its sad that you people keep going back to delegitimizing Winston's play with such a weak argument about supporting staff.

Apparently you don't know what you're talking about because Winston has better stats.

Total Touchdowns
Winston 22
Mariota 21

Total Turnovers
Winston 12
Mariota 14

Wins
Winston 6
Mariota 3

Those are the facts buddy. Also, Mariota missing games by injury isn't some badge of honor, it's whats expected with a slight frame and a running QB at the professional level.

You want some more stats?

Yards per pass. MM 7.7 yd. JW 7.6. ( there goes your short passes theory)
Completion percentage MM 63% JW 58%
Passing TD's. MM 19. JW 17
int. MM 9. JW 11
QBR. MM 66.3. JW 61.9
Yards MM. 2512. JW 2877

Those are real stats that people recognize, not cherry picked let me add interceptions and fumbles together to make my argument crap you pulled together. As you see JW has the edge in yards and has played very well but the way you guys act like he has outplayed MM is hardly the case.

[darkman]

Its sad that you people keep going back to delegitimizing Winston's play with such a weak argument about supporting staff.

Apparently you don't know what you're talking about because Winston has better stats.

Total Touchdowns
Winston 22
Mariota 21

Total Turnovers
Winston 12
Mariota 14

Wins
Winston 6
Mariota 3

Those are the facts buddy. Also, Mariota missing games by injury isn't some badge of honor, it's whats expected with a slight frame and a running QB at the professional level.

I can't even believe you posted this, that is just the dumbest crap I have ever seen. That's indicative of someone who went to look at the stats, realized he wasn't right and tried to twist the stats into something else and THEN acted like it was gold. You need a job in Washington. Atleast you got the wins right

[starfox]

But JaMarcus Russell, I mean Jameis Winston, has his team at 6 - 6, fighting for a playoff spot. Mariota, however nice, does not. This is a Bucs team that won two games last season. Now, the wins have already tripled with Winston at quarterback (6 wins so far). This team is not drastically different from last year. The difference, however, is that Winston, inconsistent in the beginning, is really starting to win this team over by showing he has it.

[blevins26]

But JaMarcus Russell, I mean Jameis Winston, has his team at 6 - 6, fighting for a playoff spot. Mariota, however nice, does not. This is a Bucs team that won two games last season. Now, the wins have already tripled with Winston at quarterback (6 wins so far). This team is not drastically different from last year, The difference, however, is that Winston, inconsistent in the beginning, is really starting to win this team over by showing he has it.


I really don't think the win totals prove anything one way or the other. Fact is, TB has hit on their skill position draft picks and TENN has not.

Evans is much better than J Hunter or Kendall Wright

Martin is much better than Sankey


IMO just those two points alone are enough. TB was a QB away from being 'ok' and TENN was (is) not. TENN has wasted a 1st & 2 second round picks on guys who aren't difference makers.

[darkman]

And that's fine , he has played great.. The Bucs are playing good ball and winning games. I never said he would be Russell. Heck I used him in DK this weekend. He is a good ball player but just like you don't want people tearing JW down, your tearing MM down when he is also doing great. The Titans suck, it's no secret. Has anyone figured out who the 2nd receiver is in the team. That is bad. You guys love Winston, I back MM but stats are stats.. Not let me add fumbles to add to the interceptions to get total TO's. I have never seen anyone use that.

[starfox]

I really don't think the win totals prove anything one way or the other. Fact is, TB has hit on their skill position draft picks and TENN has not.

Evans is much better than J Hunter or Kendall Wright

Martin is much better than Sankey


IMO just those two points alone are enough. TB was a QB away from being 'ok' and TENN was (is) not. TENN has wasted a 1st & 2 second round picks on guys who aren't difference makers.
Did you see Mike Evans drop six balls three or four games ago? Evans has the measurables, but is far from a top twenty receiver (just look up his amount of drops). Yes, Martin has returned to form and is a top five or six back. Tampa had a bad line last year that is just okay now. This team still has problems. But I must admit: it will take much more than just Winston to win another Lombardi for Tampa.

[darkman]

I really don't think the win totals prove anything one way or the other. Fact is, TB has hit on their skill position draft picks and TENN has not.

Evans is much better than J Hunter or Kendall Wright

Martin is much better than Sankey


IMO just those two points alone are enough. TB was a QB away from being 'ok' and TENN was (is) not. TENN has wasted a 1st & 2 second round picks on guys who aren't difference makers.

Last year was weird for the Bucs, they drafted a RB (Sims) when they already had a RB and sat Martin down. They went with that QB from I think it was Chicago based on a few good games taking over for Cutler. The QB ended up sucking and getting benched.. Just a weird year. They were better then a 2 win team, I don't know why they sat Martin last year

[starfox]

And that's fine , he has played great.. The Bucs are playing good ball and winning games. I never said he would be Russell. Heck I used him in DK this weekend. He is a good ball player but just like you don't want people tearing JW down, your tearing MM down when he is also doing great. The Titans suck, it's no secret. Has anyone figured out who the 2nd receiver is in the team. That is bad. You guys love Winston, I back MM but stats are stats.. Not let me add fumbles to add to the interceptions to get total TO's. I have never seen anyone use that.
Hold on. I never put down Mariota. I think he is good, just not as good as Winston. Further, what we think of these guys won't determine the way they play. I think both will have bright futures if the support system is there.

[Skootown]

But JaMarcus Russell, I mean Jameis Winston, has his team at 6 - 6, fighting for a playoff spot. Mariota, however nice, does not. This is a Bucs team that won two games last season. Now, the wins have already tripled with Winston at quarterback (6 wins so far). This team is not drastically different from last year. The difference, however, is that Winston, inconsistent in the beginning, is really starting to win this team over by showing he has it.

I know you were joking, but I honestly think this perception by many is what is keeping his prices relatively low, at least for the moment.

Not complaining, I started a small PC of him.

[darkman]

Did you see Mike Evans drop six balls three or four games ago? Evans has the measurables, but is far from a top twenty receiver (just look up his amount of drops). Yes, Martin has returned to form and is a top five or six back. Tampa had a bad line last year that is just okay now. This team still has problems. But I must admit: it will take much more than just Winston to win another Lombardi for Tampa.

If you knew how bad Sankey is.. Sims is an upgrade over that guy. You seem to be a Tampa fan, why was Martin benched last year?

[starfox]

Last year was weird for the Bucs, they drafted a RB (Sims) when they already had a RB and sat Martin down. They went with that QB from I think it was Chicago based on a few good games taking over for Cutler. The QB ended up sucking and getting benched.. Just a weird year. They were better then a 2 win team, I don't know why they sat Martin last year
Because Martin's shoulder still wasn't right.

[darkman]

Hold on. I never put down Mariota. I think he is good, just not as good as Winston. Further, what we think of these guys won't determine the way they play. I think both will have bright futures if the support system is there.

Your right.. I meant "your" generally even though I quoted you. My bad. Your right, and honestly , I'm sure teams would prefer pocket guys with a cannon like Winston. He makes all the throws. I honestly had a comparison to Byron Leftwich. Winston's release is faster and IQ higher from the looks of it, which is good. I'm from Jax so I saw plenty of Leftwich.

[starfox]

Your right.. I meant "your" generally even though I quoted you. My bad. Your right, and honestly , I'm sure teams would prefer pocket guys with a cannon like Winston. He makes all the throws. I honestly had a comparison to Byron Leftwich. Winston's release is faster and IQ higher from the looks of it, which is good. I'm from Jax so I saw plenty of Leftwich.
Hey - I must say I like Bortles. People were down on him and seemed hesitant to buy his cards. Well, I benefited from it. I don't get why some are not willing take a $120 risk now (on Bortles in 2014, for example) versus paying $500 later. I would never pay $500 for a card.

[starfox]

If you knew how bad Sankey is.. Sims is an upgrade over that guy. You seem to be a Tampa fan, why was Martin benched last year?
Not a Tampa fan, but a huge FSU and Winston fan. If you would have seen his first ever collegiate game versus Pitt ( 25 completions, 2 incompletions), you would have known this guy has something special about him. I know it's Pitt, but who does this in his first collegiate game? As for Martin, his shoulder wasn't right, so he ran with almost no confidence.

[bwallstreet]

You want some more stats?

Yards per pass. MM 7.7 yd. JW 7.6. ( there goes your short passes theory)
Completion percentage MM 63% JW 58%
Passing TD's. MM 19. JW 17
int. MM 9. JW 11
QBR. MM 66.3. JW 61.9
Yards MM. 2512. JW 2877

Those are real stats that people recognize, not cherry picked let me add interceptions and fumbles together to make my argument crap you pulled together. As you see JW has the edge in yards and has played very well but the way you guys act like he has outplayed MM is hardly the case.

I can't even believe you posted this, that is just the dumbest crap I have ever seen. That's indicative of someone who went to look at the stats, realized he wasn't right and tried to twist the stats into something else and THEN acted like it was gold. You need a job in Washington. Atleast you got the wins right

LOL So you don't actually understand football is what you're saying.

Jameis has 17 passing touchdowns and 5 rushing touchdowns. The rushes have come on pass plays where he sees a lane to the end zone and attacks with his feet. 22 touchdowns is not some made up number to trick you, it's how many touchdowns he has scored this season. Mariota has 19 passing touchdowns and 2 rushing touchdowns, 21 touchdowns he has scored this season.

Why would a fumble lost not be counted with his interceptions. The ball is in his hand, is knocked out and the other team recovers, they are crippling plays. Marcus Mariota is 2nd in the NFL in fumbles lost. Fumbles lost are just as important as interceptions and when added together give you turnovers that a quarterback is responsible for.

[darkman]

LOL So you don't actually understand football is what you're saying.

Jameis has 17 passing touchdowns and 5 rushing touchdowns. The rushes have come on pass plays where he sees a lane to the end zone and attacks with his feet. 22 touchdowns is not some made up number to trick you, it's how many touchdowns he has scored this season. Mariota has 19 passing touchdowns and 2 rushing touchdowns, 21 touchdowns he has scored this season.

Why would a fumble lost not be counted with his interceptions. The ball is in his hand, is knocked out and the other team recovers, they are crippling plays. Marcus Mariota is 2nd in the NFL in fumbles lost. Fumbles lost are just as important as interceptions and when added together give you turnovers that a quarterback is responsible for.

Spin baby spin!

[bwallstreet]

Spin baby spin!

There is no spin, they are common stats. Do you think people ignore Cam Newtons 14 rushing touchdowns his rookie year? They don't because selectively looking at some touchdowns and not others, like you are trying to pine for, would actually be cherry picking

[darkman]

Not a Tampa fan, but a huge FSU and Winston fan. If you would have seen his first ever collegiate game versus Pitt ( 25 completions, 2 incompletions), you would have known this guy has something special about him. I know it's Pitt, but who does this in his first collegiate game? As for Martin, his shoulder wasn't right, so he ran with almost no confidence.

Nice, my wife is a Noles fan so I saw a lot of Winston. He is a very talented guy and has a knack for clutch plays. I'm a ducks fan so the rose bowl was a very fun game to watch last year. We debated getting tickets for it but at the end just didn't pull the trigger. Good luck vs Houston, it's not as easy a game as it seems though. That Ward kid is electric.

[bes04c9]

I'm a giant Winston fan and PC him. Both of these quarterbacks have looked great this year. Jameis is being held back a bit statistically with the play calling and his team stays in most of their games, by running the ball to keep it close.

The future looks bright for both.

[starfox]

Nice, my wife is a Noles fan so I saw a lot of Winston. He is a very talented guy and has a knack for clutch plays. I'm a ducks fan so the rose bowl was a very fun game to watch last year. We debated getting tickets for it but at the end just didn't pull the trigger. Good luck vs Houston, it's not as easy a game as it seems though. That Ward kid is electric.
Thanks. I would have gone to that game if I were you.

[darkman]

Thanks. I would have gone to that game if I were you.

Yeah, I know.. Probably will never happen again.. 3k for a 3 day trip though was hard to do.. Had to get back since we have kids.

[ensbergcollecto]

I think both have performed well and both teams should be excited for the future. Mariotta is clearly working with inferior talent at the skill positions so I find myself a little more impressed with him

[NoleinJax]

And that has only equated to three wins with four possible games left. Winston, on the other hand, has his team at 6 - 6 with a real possibility to win as many as nine games (possibly ten). It's way too early to tell who's the better of the two, but I think Winston will be. The thing that gets me is the JaMarcus comparisons (I know you didn't say it, but some people do). JaMarcus never won a Heisman, National Title, and all his college games, save one. Then there are the Ryan Leaf comparisons. Leaf was mentally weak; Jameis' M.O. is his mental toughness. If someone goes the route of comparing Winston to Vick, that's also absurd. Vick admitted to not preparing as hard as he should - more than once. Everyone around talks about Jameis' strong work ethic. Look - I know you said none of these things about Winston, but it was just on my mind the LAZY statements made about Jameis. I am not saying he'll be equal to Elway, Montana, or Moon, but the kid is now doing all the right things.


Please stop trying to convince everyone how good Winston is as I've been enjoying getting some of his cards pretty cheap and don't want people to recognize his greatness until after I get some more. Winston is terrible people and Mariota is the GOAT.

[NoleinJax]

Not a Tampa fan, but a huge FSU and Winston fan. If you would have seen his first ever collegiate game versus Pitt ( 25 completions, 2 incompletions), you would have known this guy has something special about him. I know it's Pitt, but who does this in his first collegiate game? As for Martin, his shoulder wasn't right, so he ran with almost no confidence.

It was also in prime time on national tv, but he still sux for all those reading:rolleyes::p

[starfox]

It was also in prime time on national tv, but he still sux for all those reading:rolleyes:[emoji14]
Yes, it was indeed on in primetime.

[sigmachi]

Mariota has 14 TD and 0 INT in the redzone along with the highest QB rating in the NFL....how about that for a rookie!

Actually 16 red zone TD's with no INT's.

Mariota is 26/40 (65%) inside the 20 He is the most accurate passer in the NFL inside the RedZone.
Winston is 24/57 (42%) inside the 20 He is one of the least accurate passers inside the RedZone.

Mariota is 13/20 (65%) inside the 10 He is the second most accurate passer in the NFL inside the 10 yard line behind Matt Stafford
Winston is 10/27 (37%) inside the 10 He is THE least accurate passer in the entire NFl inside the 10 yard line

Personally, if i'm a fan of an NFL team I'd rather have the accurate QB who doesn't miss when it matters most instead of a guy with a strong arm and no touch. That's what seperates the Tom Brady's from the Jay cutler's.

[sigmachi]

He has thrown less interceptions, Mariota 9, Winston 11. That is due to the 2 less games. It's the fumbles lost that really make the difference, Mariota 5, Winston 1.

Mariota is 2nd in NFL with most fumbles lost behind Josh McCown.

Just think how many more TD's Mariota would have if he had've gotten to play against Atlanta and Houston and not been injured in first half of Miami game. Dang he would already have set the Rookie TD record most likely with 4 games left.

There's no doubt about who is the better QB, and there's really no argument statistically or otherwise...unless you're a Tampa fan.

Better stats with a worse supporting cast and an interim coach. That's impressive.

[sigmachi]

I like both, honestly...and hope both succeed. It's just unfortunate Mariota got thrown into a dumpster fire where 'bishop sankey' was an early season hype train. He has absolutely zero receiving threats, and Wright just can't stay healthy for more than a consecutive weeks.

Winston is slowly making progress every week. I love his consistency. He's not tearing it up by any means, but that's not what you expect from a rookie qb...especially one as young as him.

My only concern is Mariota's long-term health. History just not bode well for slender, athletic mobile qb's. It just never ends well. But I hope he can break the cycle. He's one of the most entertaining qb's to watch just because of that homerun threat.

I wouldn't think size would be a concern. Nor would I call him slender.

He's 6'4 222 lbs
Winston is 6'4 227 lbs

[blevins26]

I think it's safe to say that right now they are both doing great and the "better" career may be whichever one gets the better cast around him.

[starfox]

I think it's safe to say that right now they are both doing great and the "better" career may be whichever one gets the better cast around him.
Excellent point.

[starfox]

Some of you keep trying to support your stances by giving stats. Keep your stats, please. Give me wins. And to say Tampa is much better than Tennessee is absurd; these teams picked one and two in the draft. Winston's team is making a playoff push while Mariota's team is just glad it won a game. Winston is getting better by the week, and so is Tampa. I think this giving of stats is just as weak of a cry against Winston as the JaMarcusRussell/Byron Leftwitch/Ryan Leaf/Mike Vick comparisons Winston receives. Winston is better than Mariota today, but not by much. Some of you wanted him to be proven a lazy, dumb bust. Won't happen. And I love it when Winston was asked a question after the win against Atlanta. His response: "I'm a football player."

[sigmachi]

Some of you keep trying to support your stances by giving stats. Keep your stats, please. Give me wins. And to say Tampa is much better than Tennessee is absurd; these teams picked one and two in the draft. Winston's team is making a playoff push while Mariota's team is just glad it won a game. Winston is getting better by the week, and so is Tampa. I think this giving of stats is just as weak of a cry against Winston as the JaMarcusRussell/Byron Leftwitch/Ryan Leaf/Mike Vick comparisons Winston receives. Winston is better today, but not by much. Some of you wanted him to be proven a lazy, dumb bust. Won't happen. And I love it when Winston was asked a question after the win against Atlanta. His response: "I'm a football player."

When comparing two players head to head statistics are pretty much the only way to do it...and statistically Mariota is a better QB than Winston. I have a feeling the statistics don't fit your perogative so you make it about more than Winston v. Mariota and turn it into Tampa v. Tennessee which goes against the point of the thread but I'll play along anyway.


Tampa and Tennessee's defenses are pretty similar. Both are pretty stout on the lines and backers while weak in the secondary.

that's where the similarities end though.

First off Tampa has a head coach, Tennessee has an interim coach

Tennessee, before Mariota's 112 yard game on Sunday, hadn't had a 100 yard rusher since 2013...seriously 2 years.

Tampa, while not the best in the league actually has a RB with the ability to gain yards and to take some of the pressure off of a QB. Tennessee absolutely does not

Tampa's top 2 WR's this year are Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson. Tennessee's are Kendall Wright when healthy and Harry Douglas....let me say that again HARRY DOUGLAS. Anybody who follows football knows which group is better.

Tampa's O-Line again while not the best is ranked #9 by footballoutsiders for run blocking (Tennessee's is ranked 20) and #22 for pass blocking (Tennessee is ranked 31)

So in essence when comparing the two teams Tampa has the best RB unit, the best WR unit, the best O-line and a comparable defense.

Winston is headed for a nice, average NFL career ala Jay Cutler. Mariota is header for much more. Again, that's clear to anybody who watches either of them.

[starfox]

Tampa and Tennessee's defenses are pretty similar. Both are pretty stout on the lines and backers while weak in the secondary.

that's where the similarities end though.

Tennessee, before Mariota's 112 yard game on Sunday, hadn't had a 100 yard rusher since 2013...seriously 2 years.

Tampa, while not the best in the league actually has a RB with the ability to gain yards and to take some of the pressure off of a QB. Tennessee absolutely does not

Tampa's top 2 WR's this year are Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson. Tennessee's are Kendall Wright when healthy and Harry Douglas....let me say that again HARRY DOUGLAS. Anybody who follows football knows which group is better.

Tampa's O-Line again while not the best is ranked #9 by footballoutsiders for run blocking (Tennessee's is ranked 20) and #22 for pass blocking (Tennessee is ranked 31)

So in essence when comparing the two teams Tampa has the best RB unit, the best WR unit, the best O-line and a comparable defense.

Winston is headed for a nice, average NFL career ala Jay Cutler. Mariota is header for much more. Again, that's clear to anybody who watches either of them.
Winston is a warrior. Nothing average about him.
Whenever he has success, there has to be some weak statement as to why things are going well for him. Ever thought that he is just a winner? And what has Mariota won? A Heisman. Winston got one first. Mariota was drafted second. Winston first. Get the pattern?

[Eckstein197]

Honestly, I think both franchises are happy with their QB selections. This might be the rare year where both top QBs turn into something special. People keep trying to act like one of these guys have to be far superior than the other. They always point to years like 1998 where Peyton is a star and Leaf busted. Both of these guys will be studs and it's way too early to determine who the better QB is. And saying either of these guys will have average careers is a false statement as well.

Btw comparing Winston to Cutler is false. Cutler never had the winning pedigree

[starfox]

Honestly, I think both franchises are happy with their QB selections. This might be the rare year where both top QBs turn into something special. People keep trying to act like one of these guys have to be far superior than the other. They always point to years like 1998 where Peyton is a star and Leaf busted. Both of these guys will be studs and it's way too early to determine who the better QB is. And saying either of these guys will have average careers is a false statement as well.

Btw comparing Winston to Cutler is false. Cutler never had the winning pedigree
Good point. Some quarterbacks are better than Winston today, but few want to win more.

[majestik101]

When comparing two players head to head statistics are pretty much the only way to do it...and statistically Mariota is a better QB than Winston. I have a feeling the statistics don't fit your perogative so you make it about more than Winston v. Mariota and turn it into Tampa v. Tennessee which goes against the point of the thread but I'll play along anyway.


Tampa and Tennessee's defenses are pretty similar. Both are pretty stout on the lines and backers while weak in the secondary.

that's where the similarities end though.

First off Tampa has a head coach, Tennessee has an interim coach

Tennessee, before Mariota's 112 yard game on Sunday, hadn't had a 100 yard rusher since 2013...seriously 2 years.

Tampa, while not the best in the league actually has a RB with the ability to gain yards and to take some of the pressure off of a QB. Tennessee absolutely does not

Tampa's top 2 WR's this year are Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson. Tennessee's are Kendall Wright when healthy and Harry Douglas....let me say that again HARRY DOUGLAS. Anybody who follows football knows which group is better.

Tampa's O-Line again while not the best is ranked #9 by footballoutsiders for run blocking (Tennessee's is ranked 20) and #22 for pass blocking (Tennessee is ranked 31)

So in essence when comparing the two teams Tampa has the best RB unit, the best WR unit, the best O-line and a comparable defense.

Winston is headed for a nice, average NFL career ala Jay Cutler. Mariota is header for much more. Again, that's clear to anybody who watches either of them.

Absurd statement. Jameis Winston is not by any stretch of the imagination, average. How many National Titles did Cutler get? How many Heismans did Cutler get? Where is your evidence that Mariota is headed for "much more"? Both are pretty good at this early stage in their respective NFL careers, but to compare Jameis Winston to a mediocre and lazy QB like Cutler is downright incorrect.

[bwallstreet]

When comparing two players head to head statistics are pretty much the only way to do it...and statistically Mariota is a better QB than Winston. I have a feeling the statistics don't fit your perogative so you make it about more than Winston v. Mariota and turn it into Tampa v. Tennessee which goes against the point of the thread but I'll play along anyway.


Tampa and Tennessee's defenses are pretty similar. Both are pretty stout on the lines and backers while weak in the secondary.

that's where the similarities end though.

First off Tampa has a head coach, Tennessee has an interim coach

Tennessee, before Mariota's 112 yard game on Sunday, hadn't had a 100 yard rusher since 2013...seriously 2 years.

Tampa, while not the best in the league actually has a RB with the ability to gain yards and to take some of the pressure off of a QB. Tennessee absolutely does not

Tampa's top 2 WR's this year are Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson. Tennessee's are Kendall Wright when healthy and Harry Douglas....let me say that again HARRY DOUGLAS. Anybody who follows football knows which group is better.

Tampa's O-Line again while not the best is ranked #9 by footballoutsiders for run blocking (Tennessee's is ranked 20) and #22 for pass blocking (Tennessee is ranked 31)

So in essence when comparing the two teams Tampa has the best RB unit, the best WR unit, the best O-line and a comparable defense.

Winston is headed for a nice, average NFL career ala Jay Cutler. Mariota is header for much more. Again, that's clear to anybody who watches either of them.

More Touchdowns? Jameis Winston
More Yards? Jameis Winston
More Turnovers? Marcus Mariota
More Wins? Jameis Winston

You people are living in la la land. 22 Touchdowns for Winston, 21 Touchdowns for Mariota, 14 Turnovers for Mariota, 12 Turnovers for Winston. Stats say Winston is better and 90% of people watching them know Jameis is the better QB.

[sigmachi]

Winston is a warrior. Nothing average about him.
Whenever he has success, there has to be some weak statement as to why things are going well for him. Ever thought that he is just a winner? And what has Mariota won? A Heisman. Winston got one first. Mariota was drafted second. Winston first. Get the pattern?

You're right, his red zone capabilities are BELOW AVERAGE. Maybe next year he will move up to just average.

Mariota has faced Winston twice head to head and absolutely annhilated him twice. He looked like a jr. high QB both times

Mariota also has better stats.

[starfox]

More Touchdowns? Jameis Winston
More Yards? Jameis Winston
More Turnovers? Marcus Mariota

You people are living in la la land.
Tell 'em.
Absurd statement. Jameis Winston is not by any stretch of the imagination, average. How many National Titles did Cutler get? How many Heismans did Cutler get? Where is your evidence that Mariota is headed for "much more"? Both are pretty good at this early stage in their respective NFL careers, but to compare Jameis Winston to a mediocre and lazy QB like Cutler is downright incorrect.

[sigmachi]

More Touchdowns? Jameis Winston
More Yards? Jameis Winston
More Turnovers? Marcus Mariota
More Wins? Jameis Winston

You people are living in la la land. 22 Touchdowns for Winston, 21 Touchdowns for Mariota, 14 Turnovers for Mariota, 12 Turnovers for Winston. Stats say Winston is better and 90% of people watching them know Jameis is the better QB.

Like I said earlier, the only people who don't see it are the Bucs fans.

How is Winston doing in the RedZone? How about passing TD's, fewer interceptions, completion percentage, yards per attempt passing, yards per attempt rushing, quarterback rating, passing yards per game?????

I'll wait.

[sigmachi]

Look I understand the Bucs fans wanting so bad for their QB to be something more than a Jay Cutler clone but honestly that's what you've got...a strong armed, inaccurate player who frequently lets his emotions get the best of him (i.e. first tennessee game, FSU/Oregon etc...)

It's not that bad really, Cutler is an okay quarterback. You guys will probably make the playoffs on occasion. But every year you will be thinking "man i wish we had've drafted Mariota"

[bwallstreet]

You're right, his red zone capabilities are BELOW AVERAGE. Maybe next year he will move up to just average.

Mariota has faced Winston twice head to head and absolutely annhilated him twice. He looked like a jr. high QB both times

Mariota also has better stats.

Red Zone capabilities? Like when he ran for the GW TD with 54 seconds left to beat the Cowboys? Or when the Buccaneers were down 3 this past week to Atlanta and he threw a GW TD to Mike Evans to give the Bucs a 4 point lead with 1:39 left?

I could go on and on about how completely wrong you are about him in the red zone and how it actually equates to wins or about how all 5 of his rushing TDs have come in the red zone, 4 on pass plays where he found a crease in the defense and exploited it for 6 points.

[starfox]

Like I said earlier, the only people who don't see it are the Bucs fans.

How is Winston doing in the RedZone? How about passing TD's, fewer interceptions, completion percentage, yards per attempt passing, yards per attempt rushing, quarterback rating, passing yards per game?????

I'll wait.
Glad you waited. 6 - 6 so far as a rookie. 3 and 7 so far as a rookie. And Mariota and the Ducks were annihilated on a much bigger stage by OH-IO. Winston threw the game winner against Auburn to win his national title. Mariota didn't know what to do and had no opportunity for a game-winning throw.

[bwallstreet]

Look I understand the Bucs fans wanting so bad for their QB to be something more than a Jay Cutler clone but honestly that's what you've got...a strong armed, inaccurate player who frequently lets his emotions get the best of him (i.e. first tennessee game, FSU/Oregon etc...)

It's not that bad really, Cutler is an okay quarterback. You guys will probably make the playoffs on occasion. But every year you will be thinking "man i wish we had've drafted Mariota"

Nobody here wants Alex Smith 2.0, you've got to be kidding yourself or just trying to troll, either way, good luck with that garbage.

[sigmachi]

More Touchdowns? Jameis Winston
More Yards? Jameis Winston
More Turnovers? Marcus Mariota
More Wins? Jameis Winston

You people are living in la la land. 22 Touchdowns for Winston, 21 Touchdowns for Mariota, 14 Turnovers for Mariota, 12 Turnovers for Winston. Stats say Winston is better and 90% of people watching them know Jameis is the better QB.

I'm glad you're thrilled that your QB completes 42% of his passes in the redzone, or 37% inside the 10 but honestly I would be a little worried if I were a tampa fan.

Me, personally, I'm glad that my team has an accurate QB. I can't wait to see him play when he has an actual head coach!

[starfox]

Keep talking stats. I will keep talking wins. Later.

[sigmachi]

Red Zone capabilities? Like when he ran for the GW TD with 54 seconds left to beat the Cowboys? Or when the Buccaneers were down 3 this past week to Atlanta and he threw a GW TD to Mike Evans to give the Bucs a 4 point lead with 1:39 left?

I could go on and on about how completely wrong you are about him in the red zone and how it actually equates to wins or about how all 5 of his rushing TDs have come in the red zone, 4 on pass plays where he found a crease in the defense and exploited it for 6 points.

Please go on. I'm a statistics guy so if you could quantify it for me I'd appreciate it.

Because from what I see now, there's not a worse QB in the league in the red zone.

[ensbergcollecto]

mariotta is doing just as well statistically with much less talent around him. That isn't a knock on winston, but it should be a bump for mariotta

[sigmachi]

Keep talking stats. I will keep talking wins. Later.

But I thought this thread was about Winston vs. Mariota...not Tampa vs. Tennessee.

So I win?

[bwallstreet]

Like I said earlier, the only people who don't see it are the Bucs fans.

How is Winston doing in the RedZone? How about passing TD's, fewer interceptions, completion percentage, yards per attempt passing, yards per attempt rushing, quarterback rating, passing yards per game?????

I'll wait.

How is Winston doing in the RedZone? Scoring touchdowns both passing and rushing, with multiple game winning TDS

Its so funny that you along with the other fool want to key in on passing touchdowns, like scoring a touchdown on a QB scramble puts up any less points or is any less valuable to the team. Maybe that's why the Titans can't seem to win, maybe your organization and fans just don't understand how scoring and winning games works at the most basic level.

Touchdowns? 1 more than Mariota

You also don't seem to get that losing a fumble is the exact same thing as an interception, might want to go google "turnovers American football".

Turnovers? 2 less than Mariota

My turn to ask some questions? How's it feel to know Marcus has already cost 1 HC his job? With your lack of understanding scoring and ball security do you plan on competing for the #1 pick every year with Marcus Mariota?

[storm]

Like I said earlier, the only people who don't see it are the Bucs fans.

How is Winston doing in the RedZone? How about passing TD's, fewer interceptions, completion percentage, yards per attempt passing, yards per attempt rushing, quarterback rating, passing yards per game?????

I'll wait.

He avoids picks by dumping it off, or with short passes over the middle. Same thing with the completion %, look up air yard stats! As of last week only 35% of Mariottas yards were air yards, everything else was yards after catch. I have no horse in the race, but if Bucs fans have Cutler ( which is untrue), enjoy your pre-Andy Ried Alex Smith. Well until he loses his legs, then maybe Titans get Cousins so Marcus can hold his clipboard.

[bwallstreet]

Please go on. I'm a statistics guy so if you could quantify it for me I'd appreciate it.

Because from what I see now, there's not a worse QB in the league in the red zone.

Jameis Winston 2015 Passing Plays | Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WinsJa00/red-zone-passing-plays/2015)

14 passing touchdowns, 0 interceptions inside opponents 20 yard line. Of his 14 passing touchdowns in the red zone, 4 were on first down, 2 were on 2nd down, 8 of them were on crucial 3rd downs.

Also all 5 rushing touchdowns came in red zone, that would be 19 touchdowns 0 turnovers. Apparently what you see, is nothing because you are pulling your analysis out of your backside.

[sigmachi]

How is Winston doing in the RedZone? Scoring touchdowns both passing and rushing, with multiple game winning TDS

Its so funny that you along with the other fool want to key in on passing touchdowns, like scoring a touchdown on a QB scramble puts up any less points or is any less valuable to the team. Maybe that's why the Titans can't seem to win, maybe your organization and fans just don't understand how scoring and winning games works at the most basic level.

Touchdowns? 1 more than Mariota

You also don't seem to get that losing a fumble is the exact same thing as an interception, might want to go google "turnovers American football".

Turnovers? 2 less than Mariota

My turn to ask some questions? How's it feel to know Marcus has already cost 1 HC his job? With your lack of understanding scoring and ball security do you plan on competing for the #1 pick every year with Marcus Mariota?

The fumbles are something that will correct itself as the o-line improves. Can Winston improve on his accuracy? Doubtful. It is who he is. Winston has 1 more total TD than Mariota does? In 2 more games right?

Let's break this down for you. You're obviously not getting "IT"

Mariota is a better runner, he hasn't been asked to run thus far but honestly if you didn't see his 87 yard score it was a thing of beauty. He has 4.4 speed, that should end that argument. I don't think anybody with sound motor function would argue that Winston is a better runner than Mariota.

Mariota is a better passer, he has a higher completion percentage, more TD passes, fewer interceptions, more yards per game . He's better in the redzone, he's substantially more accurate. I don't see how anybody could argue that Winston is a better passer than Mariota.

I mean if Mariota is a better runner, and Mariota is a better passer then that pretty much wraps up the Mariota v. Winston debate.

I win

[sigmachi]

He avoids picks by dumping it off, or with short passes over the middle. Same thing with the completion %, look up air yard stats! As of last week only 35% of Mariottas yards were air yards, everything else was yards after catch. I have no horse in the race, but if Bucs fans have Cutler ( which is untrue), enjoy your pre-Andy Ried Alex Smith. Well until he loses his legs, then maybe Titans get Cousins so Marcus can hold his clipboard.

I don't get your analogies. But I've already proven that Mariota is better. You're justifications on why his stats are this or that are moot. I think the mods can lock this thread now since the question has been answered.

[sigmachi]

It's been fun toying with you guys, this was too easy though. Maybe somebody else will come along dumber than me and you can win.

Seriously though, enjoy Jay Cutler.

[bwallstreet]

The fumbles are something that will correct itself as the o-line improves. Can Winston improve on his accuracy? Doubtful. It is who he is. Winston has 1 more total TD than Mariota does? In 2 more games right?

Let's break this down for you. You're obviously not getting "IT"

Mariota is a better runner, he hasn't been asked to run thus far but honestly if you didn't see his 87 yard score it was a thing of beauty. He has 4.4 speed, that should end that argument. I don't think anybody with sound motor function would argue that Winston is a better runner than Mariota.

Mariota is a better passer, he has a higher completion percentage, more TD passes, fewer interceptions, more yards per game . He's better in the redzone, he's substantially more accurate. I don't see how anybody could argue that Winston is a better passer than Mariota.

I mean if Mariota is a better runner, and Mariota is a better passer then that pretty much wraps up the Mariota v. Winston debate.

I win

You don't win anything just like Marcus Mariota. You keep ignoring the facts and saying whatever makes you feel better.

Jameis Winston has done a better job with his running ability as a pro then Marcus has, he knows when to run he knows when not to run. This past Sunday on a 3rd and 19 he ran was hit by Paul Worrilow and Brooks Reed 5+ yards short of the first down, pulled out of their tackle, shook Vic Beasley out of his cleats and got the first down. That was on the drive which was capped with a 6 yard Game Winning pinpoint TD to Mike Evans.

Yes Jameis has 1 more TD than Mariota in 2 less games, so Marcus would have slightly more TDs had he played those 2 games. Marcus already has 2 more turnovers in 2 less games and would have significantly more if we are just extrapolating out their averages per game.

Fumbles don't get corrected when an O Line gets better. Marcus simply doesn't have the ability to protect the football when pass rushers are coming after him. It happens to every QB in the league, Jameis and every other QB besides Josh McCown have done a better job protecting the football than Marcus when it comes to fumbles lost.

[storm]

I don't get your analogies. But I've already proven that Mariota is better. You're justifications on why his stats are this or that are moot. I think the mods can lock this thread now since the question has been answered.

Actually my stats prove every piece of bias garbage you've been spewing in this thread wrong! You've proven nothing, other than who is plastered all over your wall.

Did the work for you, take a look

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2015/

[majestik101]

Look I understand the Bucs fans wanting so bad for their QB to be something more than a Jay Cutler clone but honestly that's what you've got...a strong armed, inaccurate player who frequently lets his emotions get the best of him (i.e. first tennessee game, FSU/Oregon etc...)

It's not that bad really, Cutler is an okay quarterback. You guys will probably make the playoffs on occasion. But every year you will be thinking "man i wish we had've drafted Mariota"

Funny. You can already tell all that by just the first 12 games of a rookie's career. That's an amazing talent.

[storm]

It's been fun toying with you guys, this was too easy though. Maybe somebody else will come along dumber than me and you can win.

Seriously though, enjoy Jay Cutler.

Well being a Jags fan, Ill enjoy my 30+ touchdown passes a year. Enjoy your 20.

[FBallHobbies]

Keep talking stats. I will keep talking wins. Later.

"You play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

[storm]

Funny. You can already tell all that by just the first 12 games of a rookie's career. That's an amazing talent.

Yeah, he's a football genius.

[starfox]

"You play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
To add to that, your teammates don't care about your (the quarterback) stats. Neither do the fans. Neither does the owner. They want to win.

[Shinypsptitans]

Kyle Orton went 10-6 as a rookie starter with the bears...........where is he now? Did that make him a a better QB than Aaron Rodgers in '05?

Moral of the story: Wayyy to early to tell on these guys...both look good so far

[bwallstreet]

Kyle Orton went 10-6 as a rookie starter with the bears...........where is he now? Did that make him a a better QB than Aaron Rodgers in '05?

Moral of the story: Wayyy to early to tell on these guys...both look good so far

Kyle Orton had 9 TDs and 13 INTs, he was on a great team. Complete opposite of this situation, Jameis is the main reason we're winning and in the playoff hunt after being worst team in the league in 2014.

[darkman]

[QUOTE=ensbergcollecto;10203545]mariotta is doing just as well statistically with much less talent around him. That isn't a knock on winston, but it should be a bump for mariotta[/QUOTE

Good luck getting these guys to believe it.. These guys seem to gloss over the stud RB and receivers they have.

[darkman]

You don't win anything just like Marcus Mariota. You keep ignoring the facts and saying whatever makes you feel better.

Jameis Winston has done a better job with his running ability as a pro then Marcus has, he knows when to run he knows when not to run. This past Sunday on a 3rd and 19 he ran was hit by Paul Worrilow and Brooks Reed 5+ yards short of the first down, pulled out of their tackle, shook Vic Beasley out of his cleats and got the first down. That was on the drive which was capped with a 6 yard Game Winning pinpoint TD to Mike Evans.

Yes Jameis has 1 more TD than Mariota in 2 less games, so Marcus would have slightly more TDs had he played those 2 games. Marcus already has 2 more turnovers in 2 less games and would have significantly more if we are just extrapolating out their averages per game.

Fumbles don't get corrected when an O Line gets better. Marcus simply doesn't have the ability to protect the football when pass rushers are coming after him. It happens to every QB in the league, Jameis and every other QB besides Josh McCown have done a better job protecting the football than Marcus when it comes to fumbles lost.

Running ability? I'm willing to bet MM has more rushing yards and a higher rushing average. All your raving about 5 running td's tells me that he is more willing to run in the red zone then MM. I'm site you will tell me it's cause he is so awesome and not that his completion % sucks

[bwallstreet]

Running ability? I'm willing to bet MM has more rushing yards and a higher rushing average. All your raving about 5 running td's tells me that he is more willing to run in the red zone then MM. I'm site you will tell me it's cause he is so awesome and not that his completion % sucks

Yes Mariota has more rushing yards and a higher average, he is leading in yards by almost the exact amount of his long touchdown run this past weekend vs Jacksonville.

Jameis has more first downs from rushing, 16 for Winston, 10 for Mariota. Of Course Jameis also has the 5 rushing TDs all coming in the red zone, Mariota has 2 rushing TDs, one in the red zone.

For somebody who is supposed to be sooooooo much better at running, the numbers are awfully close or even in Winston's favor.

[storm]

[QUOTE=ensbergcollecto;10203545]mariotta is doing just as well statistically with much less talent around him. That isn't a knock on winston, but it should be a bump for mariotta[/QUOTE

Good luck getting these guys to believe it.. These guys seem to gloss over the stud RB and receivers they have.

I gave a chart regarding supporting talent 6 posts back! Wonder why the Mariotta guys still have nothing to say?

[Eckstein197]

I would love to see how this thread would be if the QBs were flip flopped. I'm sure sigmachi would be telling us that Mariota is Vince Young 2.0 while Winston is the next Brett Favre.

Also, those rushing stats are skewed because of Mariota's 87 yard run. I am not just saying that as a Bucs fan. It is like with any other RB. If a RB has 15 rushes for 106 yards, you would think "wow great game", but if you then look and see that he had 1 run of 87 yards and then 14 other rushes for 19 yards, you would change your stance because he didn't have a great game, he had a great run and a mediocre game.

I am not saying Mariota is mediocre. I am just describing the context. Also, Mariota does not have 4.4 speed. He ran a 4.52 without pads. Yes that is incredibly fast but don't throw around that 4.4 number. Huge difference. I can't wait to bump this thread in a year or 2 when Winston wins his first Super Bowl. Sigmachi will probably just call him the next Brad Johnson

[Eckstein197]

Actually my stats prove every piece of bias garbage you've been spewing in this thread wrong! You've proven nothing, other than who is plastered all over your wall.

Did the work for you, take a look

Quarterback Air Yards: 2015 NFL Season (http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2015/)

Love the air yards stat. It shows just how much a QB is asked to throw downfield. Any QB can have a lot of passing yards if they throw 5 yard dumps that the receiver runs 30 yards.

[bwallstreet]

I would love to see how this thread would be if the QBs were flip flopped. I'm sure sigmachi would be telling us that Mariota is Vince Young 2.0 while Winston is the next Brett Favre.

Also, those rushing stats are skewed because of Mariota's 87 yard run. I am not just saying that as a Bucs fan. It is like with any other RB. If a RB has 15 rushes for 106 yards, you would think "wow great game", but if you then look and see that he had 1 run of 87 yards and then 14 other rushes for 19 yards, you would change your stance because he didn't have a great game, he had a great run and a mediocre game.

I am not saying Mariota is mediocre. I am just describing the context. Also, Mariota does not have 4.4 speed. He ran a 4.52 without pads. Yes that is incredibly fast but don't throw around that 4.4 number. Huge difference. I can't wait to bump this thread in a year or 2 when Winston wins his first Super Bowl. Sigmachi will probably just call him the next Brad Johnson

Absolutely no doubt in my mind that we would have 2-3 wins if Mariota was our QB instead of Winston. Marcus may be a franchise QB, maybe, but Jameis Winston is a game changer. The man is going to dominate the league for the next 15 years.

[Eckstein197]

Btw, anyone else see the Brett Favre resemblance with Jameis? Fiery competitor who loves to win who will force the ball which will result in INTs


Also, red zone accuracy isn't the best stat to rely on. Red zone TDs and INTs are, but not completion percentage because you would rather have a QB throw it away than force it in and maybe complete it.

[majestik101]

Btw, anyone else see the Brett Favre resemblance with Jameis? Fiery competitor who loves to win who will force the ball which will result in INTs


Also, red zone accuracy isn't the best stat to rely on. Red zone TDs and INTs are, but not completion percentage because you would rather have a QB throw it away than force it in and maybe complete it.

In Jameis' defense, he has worked towards limiting his interceptions lately, and has done a much better job at ball security. Those issues havent fully gone away, but he is working at it, thanks to Dirk Koetter.

Also when the offense consistently commits dumb penalties that set the Bucs back to 1st and 20, or 3rd and 15, it will prompt Jameis to be more aggresive in his throws downfield. I am confident that these things will correct themselves eventually.

[storm]

Btw, anyone else see the Brett Favre resemblance with Jameis? Fiery competitor who loves to win who will force the ball which will result in INTs


Also, red zone accuracy isn't the best stat to rely on. Red zone TDs and INTs are, but not completion percentage because you would rather have a QB throw it away than force it in and maybe complete it.

Funny, I got flamed on here for comparing Blake to Favre 3 weeks ago for the same reason. Now I've seen it twice in the media.

[storm]

Love the air yards stat. It shows just how much a QB is asked to throw downfield. Any QB can have a lot of passing yards if they throw 5 yard dumps that the receiver runs 30 yards.

Mariotta in a nutshell. The Marcus lovers have avoided commenting on the link, for some reason.

[55clemente]

Bill Barnwell's assessment is one of the clearest ones I've seen so far:

Winston vs. Mariota (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14310947/jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-ahead-schedule-far-nfl)

In a nutshell, he's bullish on both and gives Winston a slight edge right now.

Both rookies have flashed tons of promise and neither looks like a potential bust.

[NoleinJax]

Absurd statement. Jameis Winston is not by any stretch of the imagination, average. How many National Titles did Cutler get? How many Heismans did Cutler get? Where is your evidence that Mariota is headed for "much more"? Both are pretty good at this early stage in their respective NFL careers, but to compare Jameis Winston to a mediocre and lazy QB like Cutler is downright incorrect.

Don't fall for the troll bait. Does anyone here think if they did the draft again, knowing what they know now, that Tampa would select Mariota? I think not. Only time will tell who will be better. I do think both will be successful though. I'll take the guy who has won at every level, who works hard every day to get better, who showed at FSU that he can play at a high level even while under pressures that none of us will ever hopefully ever have to face.

[NoleinJax]

Glad you waited. 6 - 6 so far as a rookie. 3 and 7 so far as a rookie. And Mariota and the Ducks were annihilated on a much bigger stage by OH-IO. Winston threw the game winner against Auburn to win his national title. Mariota didn't know what to do and had no opportunity for a game-winning throw.

People act like Winston was the reason we lost to Oregon. It was a total team loss mostly due to turnovers (especially Dalvin Cook's funbles)and the inability to score TD's early when inside the 10. That was a game where everything went wrong for us and unfortunately we weren't able to come back. Yes, Jameis had that horrible play where he lost his balance and the ball that was returned for a TD, but overall he had a decent game.

[ensbergcollecto]

"You play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

wins are a team event. While it should be in the conversation, winston winning more games doesn't equal him being a better player. Means he is on a better team.

[NoleinJax]

The fumbles are something that will correct itself as the o-line improves. Can Winston improve on his accuracy? Doubtful. It is who he is. Winston has 1 more total TD than Mariota does? In 2 more games right?

Let's break this down for you. You're obviously not getting "IT"

Mariota is a better runner, he hasn't been asked to run thus far but honestly if you didn't see his 87 yard score it was a thing of beauty. He has 4.4 speed, that should end that argument. I don't think anybody with sound motor function would argue that Winston is a better runner than Mariota.

Mariota is a better passer, he has a higher completion percentage, more TD passes, fewer interceptions, more yards per game . He's better in the redzone, he's substantially more accurate. I don't see how anybody could argue that Winston is a better passer than Mariota.

I mean if Mariota is a better runner, and Mariota is a better passer then that pretty much wraps up the Mariota v. Winston debate.

I win

The fact that you are actually questioning Winston's accuracy shows you have no clue. Completion % is not an end-all be-all stat. Tampa has had a lot of dropped passes. If you have watched Winston at all at FSU, you would know that he is very accurate with the ball. He's so accurate and confident that he will sometimes force things that will result in interceptions, but as smart as he is he will get better and has already been better this year than last year at FSU throwing picks.

[NoleinJax]

wins are a team event. While it should be in the conversation, winston winning more games doesn't equal him being a better player. Means he is on a better team.

He's on a better team because he is on it. If he were on Tennessee instead, then Tennessee would be the better team considering the QB position is the most important position in team sports.

[NoleinJax]

Bill Barnwell's assessment is one of the clearest ones I've seen so far:

Winston vs. Mariota (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14310947/jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-ahead-schedule-far-nfl)

In a nutshell, he's bullish on both and gives Winston a slight edge right now.

Both rookies have flashed tons of promise and neither looks like a potential bust.

Great article. Should be must read for anyone commenting on this thread.

[pcbuck]

He's on a better team because he is on it. If he were on Tennessee instead, then Tennessee would be the better team considering the QB position is the most important position in team sports.

So when Winston's teams win, it is because of him. When they lose like with Oregon, it's a total team effort. I see what you did there.

[ensbergcollecto]

He's on a better team because he is on it. If he were on Tennessee instead, then Tennessee would be the better team considering the QB position is the most important position in team sports.

wrong. ask any qb in the league who they would rather throw to, tampa's WRs or Tennessee? Ask any QB in the league who they would rather have as their running back, Tampa or Tenn? Ask any qb in the league which offensive line they would rather play behind, tampa or tennesee.

Should be unanimous to all three questions. Winston has much more talent around him.