LIVE BREAK!!! - 4 boxes of 2010 Panini Threads Football!!!

[guru]

hope for some Bradford and Tebow Magic!!! :D

[bigsmoot2]

Hey Eric, good luck man, hope you pull a sweet Tebow auto!! :)!

[mnvikingstwins]

Good luck, pull some nice letter autos, maybe even a Decker ;)

[TrueNE_09]

Good luck. Calling all Gronkowski cards!

[mgugs46]

Hit me up with any Golden Tates :)!

Oh, and good luck Eric! :D

[guru]

Box #1

All-Rookie Team Relics
Mark Sanchez Prime 2 color Patch /50 ;)

Century Legends Relics
Rod Woodson GU Jersey #100/100 :D

Rookie Class Letter Patch Signatures
Jonathan Crompton Letter "N" Patch RC Auto /440

Holo-Foil Rookie Signature Parallels
David Gettis RC Auto /499

Holo-Foil GOLD Parallels
Zach Miller /100
Ed Wang RC /100

Holo-Foil SILVER Parallels
T.J. Ward RC /250
Miles Austin /250

Gridiron Kings Inserts
Rod Woodson Red Parallel /100
Len Dawson

Triple Threat 3 Inserts
Brett Favre/Adrian Peterson/Sidney Rice

All-Rookie Team Inserts
Chris Beanie Wells

Generations Inserts
Sidney Rice/Cris Carter
Shawne Merriman/Junior Seau

Century Legends Inserts
John Taylor
Art Monk

Century Stars Inserts
Donald Driver
Eli Manning
Drew Brees

Short Print Rookie Base
Jeremy Williams RC
Navorro Bowman RC
Devin McCourty RC
Lamarr Houston RC
Sergio Kindle RC
Tyson Alualu RC

[mnvikingstwins]

Not great autos, but the GU were nice

[BroncosFAN#1]

Let me know if you get any non-Tebow Broncos Guru. Thanks and good luck.

[ronlabo]

killed that 1st box "E":eek::p;):eek:

[aandbcards]

pm sent to you about woodson

[guru]

Box #2

Franchise Fabrics Relics
Joe Flacco GU Jersey /299

Gridiron Kings Relics
Junior Seau dual GU Jersey /299

Rookie Class Letter Patch Signatures
Montario Hardesty Letter "H" Patch RC Auto /440 :)

Holo-Foil Rookie Signature Parallels
Jason Pierrer-Paul RC Auto /499 ;)

Holo-Foil GOLD Parallels
Danny Amendola /100

Holo-Foil SILVER Parallels
Chad Ocho Cindo /250
Jamaal Charles /250
Ben Roethlisberger /250

Gridiron Kings Inserts
Bart Starr

Triple Threat 3 Inserts
Jay Cutler/Matt Forte/Johnny Knox

All-Rookie Team Inserts
Percy Harvin

Generations Inserts
Mark Sanchez/Joe Namath
Troy Polamalu/Rod Woodson

Century Legends Inserts
Joe Namath
Frank Gifford

Century Stars Inserts
Brian Urlacher
Steven Jackson
Jason Witten

Short Print Rookie Base
Jason Pierre-Paul RC
David Reed RC
Sean Canfield RC
Trent Williams RC
Riley Cooper RC
Koa Misi RC

[mnvikingstwins]

Pull some mojo in box 3! Tebow jersey and Clausen letter, or something like that ;)

[248rayment4343]

hey eric if u pull any jahvid best or suh patchs or autos keep me in mind!!!

[guru]

Box #3

Triple Thread 3 Relics
Vernon Wells/Frank Gore/Michael Crabtree GU Jersey /200 ;)

Game Day Jerseys / Signatures
Louis Murphy GU Jersey / Auto #'d 3/15 :)!

Base PRIME Relics Parallels
Visanthe Shiancoe Prime 3 color GU Patch /50 :)

Rookie Class Letter Patch RC Signatures
Dezmon Briscoe Letter "R" Patch RC Auto /385

Holo-Foil GOLD Parallels
Brian Price RC /100

Holo-Foil SILVER Parallels
Charles Scott RC /250
Dwayne Bowe /250
Brandon Graham RC /250

Gridiron Kings Inserts
Dub Jones
Willie Davis

Triple Threat 3 Inserts
Brett Favre/Adrian Peterson/Sidney Rice

Generations Inserts
Miles Austin/Michael Irvin
Frank Gore/Roger Craig

Century Legends Inserts
Art Monk
Len Dawson

Century Stars Inserts
Dallas Clark
Clinton Portis
Philip Rivers

Short Print Rookie Base
Kyle Williams RC
Sean Lee RC
James Starks RC
Trevard Lindley RC
Jason Worilds RC
Brian Price RC

[TrueNE_09]

Nice. Calling all Louis Murphy collectors!

Wait, what? No Louis Murphy collectors?

Just kidding, I'm sure sommmmmmmebody out there collects him.

Good luck on #4.

[mnvikingstwins]

LMK a price on the Shaincoe

[guru]

LMK a price on the Shaincoe

PM sent :)!

[guru]

Box #4

Rookie Collection Relics
Taylor Price/Rob Gronkowski Dual Jersey /299
Rob Gronkowski Jersey /299

Rookie Class Letter Patch Signatures
Armanti Edwards Letter "W" Patch RC Auto /455

Holo-Foil Rookie Signature Parallels
Jerry Hughes RC Auto /499 :)

Holo-Foil PLATINUM Parallels
DeAngelo Williams /25

Holo-Foil GOLD Parallels
Torrell Troup RC /100

Holo-Foil SILVER Parallels
Heath Miller /250
Devin Hester /250

Gridiron Kings Inserts
Pete Retzlaff

Triple Threat 3 Inserts[/B]
Vernon Davis/Frank Gore/Michael Crabtree

Generations Inserts
Darren McFadden/Bo Jackson
Philip Rivers/Dan Fouts

Century Legends Inserts
Rod Woodson
Bo Jackson

Century Stars Inserts
Reggie Wayne Holo-Foil Parallel /100
Philip Rivers
Brandon Jacobs
Clinton Portis

Short Print Rookie Base
Pat Angerer RC
Bran Bulaga RC
Kyle Wilson RC
Tony Pike RC
Blair White RC
Kerry Meier RC

[ronlabo]

yikes son, that was painful:p;):p

[guru]

yikes son, that was painful:p;):p

word.... :eek:

[oldgoldy97]

A very un-guru like break.

[guru]

A very un-guru like break.

rough... Like the Reds game I am watching. Just brutal :rolleyes:

[TrueNE_09]

Yeah, that didn't feel very guru-ish.

Oh well.

[guru]

Yeah, that didn't feel very guru-ish.

Oh well.

Sorry guys. My luck is just like everyone else... Comes and goes. :(

This looks like a rough money making product to me.

Preastige I would give a 5/10
Elite 7/10
Classics 7/10
Rookies & Stars 5/10
and
Threads 4/10

Panini hasn't exactly put out a good football product yet.

Kind of like basketball.

They better beef some of this up quickly or everyone will just wait out Contenders and National Treasures, and the rest of their wax will just go down. ;)

[tdmonkeys]

I agree. I'm hoping NT is stellar this year after seeing basketball but I'm a wee bit skeptical as I thought it was mediocre last year.

[Kennyboy5150]

Is the Murphy FS?

[ddearing]

I would argue about some of those rankings. I guess it all depends if you have an outlet to sell all the inserts you get in the packs. That's something I like about Panini now - getting an insert in just about every pack. If you do a lot of shows with $1 boxes or sell on COMC, I think some of those rankings would be different. I'd say:

Prestige I would give a 5/10 - Yeah - no argument
Elite 7/10 - I'd give it an 8, maybe a 9 if you bought it at the price when it first came out. Lots of cards that can be pulled and pay for the entire box by themselves. More than any other product out so far. Lots of numbered inserts/parallels.
Classics 7/10 - I was going to say you ranked this one too high, but I have had good luck selling all the RC's and Legends /999 lately on COMC, so I can believe a 7
Rookies & Stars 5/10 - I give a 7. There are still a lot of people who put together parallel sets of this product which helps get your money back if you open a lot of it. Also, first product of the season with a (manufactured) patch auto/box.
and
Threads 4/10 - I'm way off on this one. This will probably end up a 7. I would almost say an 8 if Platinum wasn't coming out next week. Relatively cheap box, lots of inserts, getting 1 letter auto/box. Similar to R&S with a Manufactured patch auto/box, but in this set, the player collectors will buy 1 of each letter, whereas in R&S, they just buy the card once.

Again, all this presumes you can get some money back out of your inserts. Just my thoughts.

[guru]

Is the Murphy FS?

Yep, PM sent :)!

[guru]

I would argue about some of those rankings. I guess it all depends if you have an outlet to sell all the inserts you get in the packs. That's something I like about Panini now - getting an insert in just about every pack. If you do a lot of shows with $1 boxes or sell on COMC, I think some of those rankings would be different. I'd say:

Prestige I would give a 5/10 - Yeah - no argument
Elite 7/10 - I'd give it an 8, maybe a 9 if you bought it at the price when it first came out. Lots of cards that can be pulled and pay for the entire box by themselves. More than any other product out so far. Lots of numbered inserts/parallels.
Classics 7/10 - I was going to say you ranked this one too high, but I have had good luck selling all the RC's and Legends /999 lately on COMC, so I can believe a 7
Rookies & Stars 5/10 - I give a 7. There are still a lot of people who put together parallel sets of this product which helps get your money back if you open a lot of it. Also, first product of the season with a (manufactured) patch auto/box.
and
Threads 4/10 - I'm way off on this one. This will probably end up a 7. I would almost say an 8 if Platinum wasn't coming out next week. Relatively cheap box, lots of inserts, getting 1 letter auto/box. Similar to R&S with a Manufactured patch auto/box, but in this set, the player collectors will buy 1 of each letter, whereas in R&S, they just buy the card once.

Again, all this presumes you can get some money back out of your inserts. Just my thoughts.

The reason I rank R&S and Threads so low is because you can't get any of the top tier rookies in the short print base set.

You have to pull an autographed rookie only on them. This makes it hard to make your money back.

I have plenty of outlets to unload my cards, but from a pure profit stand point, there is very little way, without some very good luck to make any money on the products that I ranked low. Even with a $1 box for inserts, that may sell and may sit for years in said box.

As far as the price point goes, I am buying all my wax the day it comes out for less than most online retailers.

[gabebroncos]

i openned a box got all undrafted or late round rookies including the tiny signatured and autoed letterman, and for 100 bucks at my lcs i got maybe 20 dollars worth of cards.... so this product to me is awful its tempting with the potential hits but might as well burn your money

[ddearing]

I understand what you're saying about not getting base RCs of the top guys. Good point. Don't misunderstand me. I don't think that you can consistently make a profit on any of the products listed above. Those rankings are in comparison to each other. We both know there are very few products that can consistently turn a profit without a lot of luck (I can only think of two or three and they involve being able to sell the base sets). However, in terms of ranking the percentage of purchase price that you can get back from the case breaks, I would rank them in the following order:
Elite
Classics, Threads, R&S (all the same)
Prestige

Also, if you open a very large volume and find a good way to sell the base (which can be done for this set), I'd put Topps ahead of all of them.

As a side note, I would rank R&S Longevity ahead of R&S Hobby as far as being able to get your money back selling the entire break.

[guru]

I understand what you're saying about not getting base RCs of the top guys. Good point. Don't misunderstand me. I don't think that you can consistently make a profit on any of the products listed above. Those rankings are in comparison to each other. We both know there are very few products that can consistently turn a profit without a lot of luck (I can only think of two or three and they involve being able to sell the base sets). However, in terms of ranking the percentage of purchase price that you can get back from the case breaks, I would rank them in the following order:
Elite
Classics, Threads, R&S (all the same)
Prestige

Also, if you open a very large volume and find a good way to sell the base (which can be done for this set), I'd put Topps ahead of all of them.

As a side note, I would rank R&S Longevity ahead of R&S Hobby as far as being able to get your money back selling the entire break.

I was unaware they put out R&S Longevity this year. Must have missed that.

I do agree that Base Topps is a better break for your money than any Panini product so far.

[ddearing]

Longevity comes out next month. 3 hits/box. 10 inserts/box. Around a $40 price point retail. 3 boxes/case are hot boxes with double the hits. I think I have 3-4 cases coming.

I'm still opening Topps every night. Don't know when I am going to stop. . . . . .

[kyle1707]

[QUOTE=guru;729071]Sorry guys. My luck is just like everyone else... Comes and goes. :(

This looks like a rough money making product to me.

Preastige I would give a 5/10
Elite 7/10
Classics 7/10
Rookies & Stars 5/10
and
Threads 4/10



That is right on the money. i was really looking forward to threads.
my 4 box break was the same/. awful!

So far it has been really bad!

[bryun]

Jerome Harrison?

LMK,

~Bryun

[oldgoldy97]

What is the top possible hit for each product?

Prestige-Rookie patch autos
Elite- Throwback/passing the torch dual autos
Classics-cut autos/legends autos
R&S-Rookie patch autos
Threads-Rookie patch autos

That's just a guess without doing research. Seeing as how three products are rookie-focused, I'd really give the nod to Elite and Classics.

[guru]

Jerome Harrison?

LMK,

~Bryun

Bryun, what are you asking me?

[ddearing]

Just a quick, very unscientific study. I was curious about what percentage of cards sold on ebay from each set sold for enough to cover the initial cost of a box of that product. Figured each box came out at around $80 (I know some were a little more or less). I removed the sale of boxes/cases from my search. This doesn't truly represent the ability to recover costs with the entire break - just tells about the bigger hits.

Classics 40 sales out of 6000 items listed were enough to cover the cost of a box - 0.67%
Elite 42/4500 - 0.93%
R&S 82/5800 - 1.41%
Prestige 27/4000 - 0.68%

I was surprised to see R&S be double what Classics was at first, but the more I think about it, the more I agree. I know its a small sample size, but I opened two cases of classics and I don't know that I pulled anything that could have sold for more than a box price. The bigger hits were supposed to be the Cuts at about 1/case and a lot of those sold for around $30-40.

[Tylerg30]

I guess it depends on what you get in your boxes, and how much you buy. I busted around a case of Classics, and about 2 cases of Topps. Out of 11 jumbo Topps boxes I opened, I had only 1 box that would get me my box price back. Out of 16 Classics boxes I had about 7-8 boxes that I at least broke even on. The Topps Giveaway cards and sets kinda saves Topps but to me, it is a REAL hit or miss, no dual relics, no jumbo patches etc. I did get a dual rookie premiere, but without that, it would be horrible. And yes, I still keep buyig more lol

[PackAttack419]

nice, i like the breakdown, gives me a good idea of what's got better value. thanks!

[Rufusyo]

Does anyone have any hope for Crown Royale?

[guru]

Does anyone have any hope for Crown Royale?

Did you see the content for the basketball breaks? I will probably try my luck at 3-4 boxes, but I wouldn't recomend it if you are serious about turning a profit.

[Rufusyo]

I am like you on a much smaller scale. I bust 1 maybe 2 boxes of most products that come out. I didn't do to hot with my 2 boxes of threads. I didn't see much from the basketball breaks. I really do like the cards though. I also enjoy Limited alot.