There will never be another Michael Jordan

[cniel2924]

I was just looking at Curry's numbers and accomplishments, by no means does it minimize or detract from the amazing living legend that Curry is, but there was just no comparison at all.

Lebron is the closest along with Kobe, but neither of them come too close.

I think we can stop looking. There just won't be another Wayne Gretzky in Hockey or Michael Jordan in Basketball.

Certain talents are just born to be the best ever. It will be interesting to see what the future holds, but for now it's safe to say there's no way anyone will be closer than Lebron/Kobe and now Curry.

Michael Jordan is still the greatest athlete and competitor who ever lived, in any sport or competition, period. :cool:

[cniel2924]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6pSigVrv7M

[bkcardcollector]

All ready was homie
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[BestRCs]

Man. That's what I'm saying. It's irritating listening to people compare some of these players to Gretzky or Jordan.

[the mesiah]

In other news ...water is wet..:coffee:

[jj2]

This is the thread BO needed. It's the thread we deserved.

[IronMonkey415]

Can't believe Wiggins and crew will beat them to a bloody pulp tomorrow.

[dapro]

There is only one of everyone, unless you clone.

[Torralbae1]

I love Jordan but here's the only point I want to make in Lebron's favor.

After the Bulls 1st 3 peat and Jordan left to play baseball the Bulls still made the playoffs the year and a half he was gone as a 3rd and 5th seed.
Lebrons last year in Cleveland, the Cavs had the best record in the NBA. The 4 years he was gone they never made the Playoffs where finishing 6 games under .500 would have got you in, in the east. Makes the Finals all 4 years in Miami. Goes back to Cleveland and leads an injury plagued team to the finals and Miami misses the playoffs.

[jbrandonw]

I love Jordan but here's the only point I want to make in Lebron's favor.

After the Bulls 1st 3 peat and Jordan left to play baseball the Bulls still made the playoffs the year and a half he was gone as a 3rd and 5th seed.
Lebrons last year in Cleveland, the Cavs had the best record in the NBA. The 4 years he was gone they never made the Playoffs where finishing 6 games under .500 would have got you in, in the east. Makes the Finals all 4 years in Miami. Goes back to Cleveland and leads an injury plagued team to the finals and Miami misses the playoffs.

I don't think just getting to the finals all those times helps lebrons case. Jordan was 6 for 6. Lebrons lost more finals than he's won.

[Torralbae1]

My point was talent level surrounding you....Jordan had a playoff caliber team with atleast 2 healthy all star caliber players playing with him during his prime. If Lebron had a Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant/Dennis Rodman playing along side him for a 9-10 year period I'm sure he would have more than 2 championships.
I don't think just getting to the finals all those times helps lebrons case. Jordan was 6 for 6. Lebrons lost more finals than he's won.

[NotOriginal]

You are right LeBron only had two all-stars called Wade and Bosh. Wade only being the 3rd best shooting guard of all time.

Your point is valid for LeBron's first stint with the cavs. However, LeBron has had all-star caliber teammates in his 2011-2015 run.

[ninjacookies]

You are right LeBron only had two all-stars called Wade and Bosh. Wade only being the 3rd best shooting guard of all time.

Your point is valid for LeBron's first stint with the cavs. However, LeBron has had all-star caliber teammates in his 2011-2015 run.

Got eeeeeeeeeeeeeeem.

[Torralbae1]

That was more directed towards his first 7 years and I'm saying that same Miami team missed the playoffs the year after he left and Wade was far from healthy the last few yearsYou are right LeBron only had two all-stars called Wade and Bosh. Wade only being the 3rd best shooting guard of all time.

Your point is valid for LeBron's first stint with the cavs. However, LeBron has had all-star caliber teammates in his 2011-2015 run.

[gatorboymike]

There won't be another Shawn Bradley, either. But, interestingly enough, nobody is expecting there to be or saying that there must be another Shawn Bradley.

[Torralbae1]

I still think Jordan's the greatest but here are the rosters of the teams each player was on the 1st year they made it to the finals with their age w/ Jordan and Lebron swapped. Plus, the Bulls had the same core players for 3 years before the championship season. They had a chance to develop and learn their roles on the team right as they hit their prime on top of having maybe the greatest head coach in NBA history.

90-91 Bulls coached by Phil Jackson:

LeBron James 22
John Paxon 30
Scottie Pippen 25
Horace Grant 25
Bill Cartwright 33
BJ Armstrong 23
Stacey King 24
Cliff Livingston 30
Will Perdue 25

06-07 Cavs coached by Mike Brown

Michael Jordan 27
Eric Snow 33
Larry Hughes 28
Drew Gooden 25
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 31
Anderson Varejao 24
Sasha Pavlovic 23
Donyell Marshall 33
Damon Jones 30

[thepinoymamba]

There won't be another Kobe e bryant as well

[Torralbae1]

Plus this is the same argument I heard when Jordan was coming up. He'll never be Bill Russell, Magic, Bird. Whoever you grew up watching is always gonna be the player that is benchmark for greatness.

[threepointplay]

Is Jordan that old bloke who played small forward for the Wizards about 12 - 13 years ago? Only had a jump shot, as he could barely get to the hoop? He was bit average; not sure why anyone would try and compare him to the living legend that is the current PG @ GSW.

[kevin2323]

I love Jordan but here's the only point I want to make in Lebron's favor.

After the Bulls 1st 3 peat and Jordan left to play baseball the Bulls still made the playoffs the year and a half he was gone as a 3rd and 5th seed.
Lebrons last year in Cleveland, the Cavs had the best record in the NBA. The 4 years he was gone they never made the Playoffs where finishing 6 games under .500 would have got you in, in the east. Makes the Finals all 4 years in Miami. Goes back to Cleveland and leads an injury plagued team to the finals and Miami misses the playoffs.

these type of comparisons piss me off. The Heat's 2nd best player was out the entire year.

were they going to get to the finals without bron last year? no but using a broken down heat team that had to throw a max contract at bosh and sign mcroberts and danny granger to make a point about how Bron is better or close to Jordan is ridiculous.

Lebron is good but he has a long long way to go to even sniff jordan.

[AbraCalabro]

I was just looking at Curry's numbers and accomplishments, by no means does it minimize or detract from the amazing living legend that Curry is, but there was just no comparison at all.

Lebron is the closest along with Kobe, but neither of them come too close.

I think we can stop looking. There just won't be another Wayne Gretzky in Hockey or Michael Jordan in Basketball.

Certain talents are just born to be the best ever. It will be interesting to see what the future holds, but for now it's safe to say there's no way anyone will be closer than Lebron/Kobe and now Curry.

Michael Jordan is still the greatest athlete and competitor who ever lived, in any sport or competition, period. :cool:


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Plus this is the same argument I heard when Jordan was coming up. He'll never be Bill Russell, Magic, Bird. Whoever you grew up watching is always gonna be the player that is benchmark for greatness.

That's not true, Wilt was long retired before I was even born. Unlike most people in my age range I recognize the greatest / most dominant physical specimen to grace the game of basketball as he should be recognized: Wilt Chamberlain.

[GC1980]

That's not true, Wilt was long retired before I was even born. Unlike most people in my age range I recognize the greatest / most dominant physical specimen to grace the game of basketball as he should be recognized: Wilt Chamberlain.

I agree Wilt was the greatest/most dominant physical specimen to play relative to his competition. That does not necessarily make him the greatest player of all time of the most dominant player of all time. That would be MJ in my opinion.

MJ's scoring prowess for a wing player was on par with what Wilt was doing from the pivot when you factor in changes in play style and pace. MJ was also a game changing defender and phenomenal leader.

While rings are a function of team and strength of competition, the fact that the path to the title for many of MJ's contemporaries (many all time greats) went through MJ and the Bulls is something that cannot be ignored. The same cannot be said for Wilt and when judging how dominant a player is both statistical greatness and dominance over the field are important.

I would have Wilt as my 4th all time player and hands down the most physically dominant.

[tristan20]

Wilt and Russell played in an Era when there was less competition and rules. The game is played way different today as well, teams are going small and shooting is way better now.

As eras evolve, Jordan made the sport what it is today. Whenever you see a record being broken or close to being broken, usually Jordan's name is attached to it somewhere. Its unreal how good he was.

Curry and Jordan should never ever be in the same sentence.

[vinsanity15]

Wilt and Russell played in an Era when there were way less competition and rules.

As eras evolve, Jordan made the sport what it is today. Whenever you see a record being broken or close to being broken, usually Jordan's name is attached to it somewhere. Its unreal how good he was.

Curry and Jordan should never ever be in the same sentence.


Exactky LOL whoever mentions them in the same sentence is a fool and knows nothing about basketball plain and simple. Curry not even better then Bron and KD so how could you mention him withJordan. So people man there just so foolish. I also think Westbrook is just as good if not better then curry. As I said before curry a beast but let's not get stupid here guys.

[AbraCalabro]

That's the typical rebuttal and it's always a weak one, that the competition was weak, that Wilt played against "nobodies" and a bunch of light weight, short guys. I can't be bothered to get into didactic details over this every time, but the belief that Wilt had little, or not competition is false. There has never been a greater physical specimen and/or athlete than Wilt Chamberlain and he would adapt his game to any era of pro basketball.

[trixstar]

This has been said about every previous great player. There will always be someone to come along that's better.

[jcardstore]

Exactky LOL whoever mentions them in the same sentence is a fool and knows nothing about basketball plain and simple. Curry not even better then Bron and KD so how could you mention him withJordan. So people man there just so foolish. I also think Westbrook is just as good if not better then curry. As I said before curry a beast but let's not get stupid here guys.

People just can't help with the knee-jerk emotional reactions to 1 season. Doesn't help that the media treats him like a god either

[vinsanity15]

People just can't help with the knee-jerk emotional reactions to 1 season. Doesn't help that the media treats him like a god either


Exactky he had 1 great year and it was not even that special for a MVP season so calm down every. He is a great player yea but not as good as everyone making him out to be. He also has a ton of help best supporting cast in the league by far they are literally loaded.

[SanAntonioSpurs]

No matter who comes along, Lebron, or anyone in the future, they will never be able to replace Jordan's impact on the game or the attention he brought to the NBA, period.

[Norcalcardz]

Exactky he had 1 great year and it was not even that special for a MVP season so calm down every. He is a great player yea but not as good as everyone making him out to be. He also has a ton of help best supporting cast in the league by far they are literally loaded.

I know Curry doesn't even compare to the goat MJ, but don't make it seem like what Curry did last season and so far this season is not "even that special for a MVP season". Curry was 1 of only 3 PGs(Magic and Isiah) to win MVP and a championship in a season. That is greatness to me, maybe not as great as what MJ was able to do, but great nonetheless.

[NoleinJax]

I know Curry doesn't even compare to the goat MJ, but don't make it seem like what Curry did last season and so far this season is not "even that special for a MVP season". Curry was 1 of only 3 PGs(Magic and Isiah) to win MVP and a championship in a season. That is greatness to me, maybe not as great as what MJ was able to do, but great nonetheless.


I don't get how people on here can deny Curry's greatness last year and so far this year. He is the best "basketball player" in the NBA. He's by far the best shooter, one of the best ball handlers, and one of the best passers. The only knock on him might be his man to man defense, but he's getting better at that as well. LeBron is considered better because he is more dominant physically, but I argue that doesn't necessarily make him the best "basketball player". Proceed with the attacks:special:

[vinsanity15]

I know Curry doesn't even compare to the goat MJ, but don't make it seem like what Curry did last season and so far this season is not "even that special for a MVP season". Curry was 1 of only 3 PGs(Magic and Isiah) to win MVP and a championship in a season. That is greatness to me, maybe not as great as what MJ was able to do, but great nonetheless.

This year i will give it to you he been a beast so far. But last year for a MVP season was really not all that impressive was a great great year don't get me wrong be not one of the better MVP years that for sure if you look at his stats. Also he did not even win Finals MVP LOL how does that happen when your MVP of the league. He lucky cavs were hurt cause if they are healthy they would of beat them and curry would have got roasted cause the first 4 games of that series he played like A$$$.

[scotthenrichs]

All ready was homie
http://img.comc.com/i/Basketball/2000/Sage-Hit-NRG/23/Michael-Jordan.jpg?id=9c901bc0-8e30-4682-b79b-f40a8976720b&size=original

Curse you, I clicked on this thread with the intent to make this joke, and it was already done. :D

[xavieronly1]

I know Curry doesn't even compare to the goat MJ, but don't make it seem like what Curry did last season and so far this season is not "even that special for a MVP season". Curry was 1 of only 3 PGs(Magic and Isiah) to win MVP and a championship in a season. That is greatness to me, maybe not as great as what MJ was able to do, but great nonetheless.

Isiah has no MVP.

[Norcalcardz]

This year i will give it to you he been a beast so far. But last year for a MVP season was really not all that impressive was a great great year don't get me wrong be not one of the better MVP years that for sure if you look at his stats. Also he did not even wi Finals MVP LOL how does that happen when your MVP of the league. he lucky cavs were hurt cause if they are healthy they would of beat them and curry would have got roasted cause the first 4 games of that series he played like A$$$.

Stats do not measure all of a players impact, Steve Nash did not have the best stats and didn't win a championship but he had 2 MVPs. Steph did not have to play 20 4th quarters last year. If he did, certainly his stats would have been better. Game 3 and 4, I agree he was off but saying the Cavs "would of beat them" does not mean anything because it didn't happen.

[Norcalcardz]

Isiah has no MVP.

Sorry meant to say only 3 PG won a MVP and championship in their careers (Magic, Oscar Robertson, Bob Cousy). Curry won both in the same season!

[vinsanity15]

Stats do not measure all of a players impact, Steve Nash did not have the best stats and didn't win a championship but he had 2 MVPs. Steph did not have to play 20 4th quarters last year. If he did, certainly his stats would have been better. Game 3 and 4, I agree he was off but saying the Cavs "would of beat them" does not mean anything because it didn't happen.

Well they would have it common sense if you watched the series, but still warriors won give them credit they beat who was in front of them. Also steve nash did not deserve to win those 2 MVPs everyone knows it those should be KObes. Also you could say that about lebron to what you said about steph lebron sat out a ton and so did KD in his MVP year cause they blew out teams and both of there MVP years were way way better then stephs. Also lets all be real here if lebron looked to score more just like steph dose he would average 30-33 ppg easily.

Bottom line curry is great. But he no MJ that for $hit sure. He is no lebron and no KD they are all better then him. Curry is the 3rd or 4th best player right now that all I'm saying to say he better the BRON or KD is freaking crazy. How quickly everyone forgets KD MVP year 2 years ago which was crazy one of the greatest years of all time his MVP year blew currys away so lets stop comparing him to bron and KD. KD right now averaging 30 like it lite work and no one talking about him yet curry doing same thing and everyone is on him please he great yeas but not better then those guys.

[elee712]

Well they would have it common sense if you watched the series, but still warriors won give them credit they beat who was in front of them. Also steve nash did not deserve to win those 2 MVPs everyone knows it those should be KObes. Also you could say that about lebron to what you said about steph lebron sat out a ton and so did KD in his MVP year cause they blew out teams and both of there MVP years were way way better then stephs. Also lets all be real here if lebron looked to score more just like steph dose he would average 30-33 ppg easily.

Bottom line curry is great. But he no MJ that for $hit sure. He is no lebron and no KD they are all better then him. Curry is the 3rd or 4th best player right now that all I'm saying to say he better the BRON or KD is freaking crazy. How quickly everyone forgets KD MVP year 2 years ago which was crazy one of the greatest years of all time his MVP year blew currys away so lets stop comparing him to bron and KD. KD right now averaging 30 like it lite work and no one talking about him yet curry doing same thing and everyone is on him please he great yeas but not better then those guys.


Your common sense is only common with Cavs and Lebron fans. Nobody is saying Curry is LeBron or Jordan. Saying he didn't deserve the MVP last year just means that you are looking at the box scores more than watching the games.

[vinsanity15]

Your common sense is only common with Cavs and Lebron fans. Nobody is saying Curry is LeBron or Jordan. Saying he didn't deserve the MVP last year just means that you are looking at the box scores more than watching the games.

i did watch the games read what i said did not say he did not deserve the MVP he did cause no one else was worthy cause no one else really had a good year at all except harden and bron, and bron for his standard had a bad year but was still better then currys. What I'm saying is it is one of the more unimpressive MVP seasons that all I'm saying. Just like steve nash 2 seasons that i felt were not really MVP worthy. That is all.

[NoleinJax]

Stats do not measure all of a players impact, Steve Nash did not have the best stats and didn't win a championship but he had 2 MVPs. Steph did not have to play 20 4th quarters last year. If he did, certainly his stats would have been better. Game 3 and 4, I agree he was off but saying the Cavs "would of beat them" does not mean anything because it didn't happen.


You got to love all the people that say "if this such and such happened or didn't happen then the Cavs would have beaten them". That's easy to say, but means absolutely nothing. If Germany had developed a nuclear bomb before the US did, then we would all be speaking German. See how the "if game" works, or doesn't. The Warriors handled everyone put in front of them. And they will do it again. If any of y'all don't believe it, I will take 5-1 odds that they win it all again.

[jcardstore]

Lets use PER as a measure of player success during a season. Steph's 14-15 PER was 27.98, good for 60th best of all time. Jordan and LeBron have 14 combined seasons with a higher PER.

Steph is NOT an all around player, he's a shooter and that's about it. I will not deny his shooting greatness but he is nothing more than a great PG who can shoot the lights out.

LeBron can play 1-5 on the court and has way better vision and basketball IQ than Curry will ever have. Jordan had the will to win and a hunger that Curry will never have, see: flu game.

Vinsanity was exactly right, Curry's last season wasn't that great from a historical perspective everybody just thinks that because he's super over hyped

You got to love all the people that say "if this such and such happened or didn't happen then the Cavs would have beaten them". That's easy to say, but means absolutely nothing. If Germany had developed a nuclear bomb before the US did, then we would all be speaking German. See how the "if game" works, or doesn't. The Warriors handled everyone put in front of them. And they will do it again. If any of y'all don't believe it, I will take 5-1 odds that they win it all again.

I'll put $100 on that right now

[vinsanity15]

You got to love all the people that say "if this such and such happened or didn't happen then the Cavs would have beaten them". That's easy to say, but means absolutely nothing. If Germany had developed a nuclear bomb before the US did, then we would all be speaking German. See how the "if game" works, or doesn't. The Warriors handled everyone put in front of them. And they will do it again. If any of y'all don't believe it, I will take 5-1 odds that they win it all again.

It not if it true if they were healthy. Good place that bet lol can't wait till Bron and cavs beat them if warriors even make it back agian lol. Also I want to be clear I like steph a lot he great and warriors are good to it just everyone over hyping him and the Warriors to much it annoying let them do more and steph before we start making these crazy statements about them that all I'm saying.

[vinsanity15]

Lets use PER as a measure of player success during a season. Steph's 14-15 PER was 27.98, good for 60th best of all time. Jordan and LeBron have 14 combined seasons with a higher PER.

Steph is NOT an all around player, he's a shooter and that's about it. I will not deny his shooting greatness but he is nothing more than a great PG who can shoot the lights out.

LeBron can play 1-5 on the court and has way better vision and basketball IQ than Curry will ever have. Jordan had the will to win and a hunger that Curry will never have, see: flu game.

Vinsanity was exactly right, Curry's last season wasn't that great from a historical perspective everybody just thinks that because he's super over hyped



I'll put $100 on that right now


Exactly man thank you.

[vinsanity15]

You got to love all the people that say "if this such and such happened or didn't happen then the Cavs would have beaten them". That's easy to say, but means absolutely nothing. If Germany had developed a nuclear bomb before the US did, then we would all be speaking German. See how the "if game" works, or doesn't. The Warriors handled everyone put in front of them. And they will do it again. If any of y'all don't believe it, I will take 5-1 odds that they win it all again.

5-1 odds I will also take that for 100 and if warriors win it all pm me and I promise I will pay you if you pay me if warriors don't win??? Haha

[Norcalcardz]

Well they would have it common sense if you watched the series, but still warriors won give them credit they beat who was in front of them. Also steve nash did not deserve to win those 2 MVPs everyone knows it those should be KObes. Also you could say that about lebron to what you said about steph lebron sat out a ton and so did KD in his MVP year cause they blew out teams and both of there MVP years were way way better then stephs. Also lets all be real here if lebron looked to score more just like steph dose he would average 30-33 ppg easily.

Bottom line curry is great. But he no MJ that for $hit sure. He is no lebron and no KD they are all better then him. Curry is the 3rd or 4th best player right now that all I'm saying to say he better the BRON or KD is freaking crazy. How quickly everyone forgets KD MVP year 2 years ago which was crazy one of the greatest years of all time his MVP year blew currys away so lets stop comparing him to bron and KD. KD right now averaging 30 like it lite work and no one talking about him yet curry doing same thing and everyone is on him please he great yeas but not better then those guys.

I did watch the whole series and the Warriors did what they needed to do to win. I'm not arguing about who's MVP year was better, I agree that Bron and KD were probably better then Steph's (stats wise). But considering Curry's individual and team accomplishments last year, should be no doubt he was the clear MVP of the season.

[jcardstore]

I did watch the whole series and the Warriors did what they needed to do to win. I'm not arguing about who's MVP year was better, I agree that Bron and KD were probably better then Steph's (stats wise). But considering Curry's individual and team accomplishments last year, should be no doubt he was the clear MVP of the season.

Nobody was arguing that steph shouldn't have gotten MVP last year for everything he accomplished, but to put him in the discussion with LeBron and Jordan is silly.

5-1 odds I will also take that for 100 and if warriors win it all pm me and I promise I will pay you if you pay me if warriors don't win??? Haha

He wasn't serious lol he wasn't expecting anybody to call his bluff. No way he would take 5-1 odds on the Warriors.

[elee712]

5-1 odds I will also take that for 100 and if warriors win it all pm me and I promise I will pay you if you pay me if warriors don't win??? Haha

I'll do two bets with you.
5-1 warriors repeat
5-1 curry repeats as mvp

100 for each bet. You win both, I pay 200
I win both, you pay 1000
do the math if we split.

deal?

[jcardstore]

I'll do two bets with you.
5-1 warriors repeat
5-1 curry repeats as mvp

100 for each bet. You win both, I pay 200
I win both, you pay 1000
do the math if we split.

deal?

no no no lol you offered 5-1 that they repeat. You're taking the house line so you get my $100 if they do, if they don't you pay out $600 I'm not taking house odds on that one... lmao. I'll give it to you though, that was a nice try.

If you really want to do 5-1 on them winning I'll take $100 on it right now though.

[BestRCs]

People want to talk dominance and it's like if you win an mvp it's impressive. And if you win a scoring title it's impressive. If you win a championship it's impressive. And if you win the finals mvp that's impressive. Each one by them selves in a single season is impressive.

Everyone talks about how michael is 6 for 6 but it's the way he did the 6 for 6 that is what separates him. Every year he won the title he was the scoring champ too. Every year he won the title he was the finals mvp. And officially he won 4 season MVPs out of those 6 years.

No one has had a run like that. Sweeping all the major accomplishments in a year.

It's weird stephen curry wins the season mvp and one title and everyone is crazy goo goo gaga for him and it like he's not even in the ball park if he does that 4 more times.he still needs to do more to be even in the discussion with Jordan. And it's not just curry. Lebron. Kobe. Etc.

[elee712]

no no no lol you offered 5-1 that they repeat. You're taking the house line so you get my $100 if they do, if they don't you pay out $600 I'm not taking house odds on that one... lmao. I'll give it to you though, that was a nice try.

If you really want to do 5-1 on them winning I'll take $100 on it right now though.

Edit: not the original person who offered the bet I wasn't paying attention but hell no I'm not taking the house line, if you wanna make the bet you're paying out 5-1.

Haha way to back out. Who in their right mind would give you 5-1 odds on the warriors not winning?

I wasn't the one who offered the bet. I'm offering this one

I thought so

[elee712]

People want to talk dominance and it's like if you win an mvp it's impressive. And if you win a scoring title it's impressive. If you win a championship it's impressive. And if you win the finals mvp that's impressive. Each one by them selves in a single season is impressive.

Everyone talks about how michael is 6 for 6 but it's the way he did the 6 for 6 that is what separates him. Every year he won the title he was the scoring champ too. Every year he won the title he was the finals mvp. And officially he won 4 season MVPs out of those 6 years.

No one has had a run like that. Sweeping all the major accomplishments in a year.

It's weird stephen curry wins the season mvp and one title and everyone is crazy goo goo gaga for him and it like he's not even in the ball park if he does that 4 more times.he still needs to do more to be even in the discussion with Jordan. And it's not just curry. Lebron. Kobe. Etc.


I'd like to see quotes of everyone comparing Curry to Michael Jordan. Maybe I missed it...

[jcardstore]

Haha way to back out. Who in their right mind would give you 5-1 odds on the warriors not winning?

I wasn't the one who offered the bet. I'm offering this one

I thought so


Not taking your silly bets

[elee712]

Not taking your silly bets

You might want to check who made you that bet.

Besides that just means you think the warriors have a good chance to repeat. I don't blame you for backing off

[jcardstore]

You might want to check who made you that bet.

Besides that just means you think the warriors have a good chance to repeat. I don't blame you for backing off

I'll do 1-1 with you that the warriors don't win $100. Take it or leave it

[elee712]

I'll do 1-1 with you that the warriors don't win $100. Take it or leave it

I'll just make my bet in Vegas and win more.
Probably best not to sound so sure of yourself but not back it up

[jcardstore]

I'll just make my bet in Vegas and win more.
Probably best not to sound so sure of yourself but not back it up

So you're scared to take it? Lol. I'll send $100 to someone who wants to middleman it right now to show I'm serious.

Sounds like you're not so confident in the Warriors or just scared to make a bet. Or maybe you don't have $100?

[I only pull for]

This year i will give it to you he been a beast so far. But last year for a MVP season was really not all that impressive was a great great year don't get me wrong be not one of the better MVP years that for sure if you look at his stats. Also he did not even win Finals MVP LOL how does that happen when your MVP of the league. He lucky cavs were hurt cause if they are healthy they would of beat them and curry would have got roasted cause the first 4 games of that series he played like A$$$.

Iguodala won the MVP because of his defense against Lebron--well deserved MVP for him.
Curry was the Warrior's true MVP and anyone with eyes could see that.
As far as his first couple of finals games--strike them to nerves, as it was his first appearance in the finals and it was Lebron's 6th time there.
And before you go off on one of those idiotic he didn't play the Clippers or Spurs rants---that's right he didn't because the Spurs couldn't beat the Clips and the Clips got out played by the Rockets. Last time I checked that is how the playoffs work, you win the best of 7 series unlike what the Clips and Spurs did last year.

Curry is no Jordan, Lebron or Durant---very true, he is a PG those guys play different positions. What he is becoming is the most dominant shooter of all-time and at the rate he is going as a PG, makes that a very dangerous combo--- and I'm not sure we've ever seen this type of dominance from a player of Curry's size do this before.

Curry has something Durant will never see---a ring. And, he is only one ring behind coat-tail riding Lebron, so saying he isn't on their level is asinine.

[xavieronly1]

I'd like to see quotes of everyone comparing Curry to Michael Jordan. Maybe I missed it...

I think ESPN pushes the fact that Curry's 213 points through 6 games are most since MJ.

Just like last season, when ESPN kept saying Westbrook's 4 striaght triple double are the most since MJ.

While ESPN is not everyone, but it speaks very loud.

[jcardstore]

Curry has something Durant will never see---a ring. And, he is only one ring behind coat-tail riding Lebron, so saying he isn't on their level is asinine.

I would LOVE to hear you define "coat-tail riding" LeBron. Please, explain that so the rest of us can understand

[xavieronly1]

Curry has something Durant will never see---a ring. And, he is only one ring behind coat-tail riding Lebron, so saying he isn't on their level is asinine.

Does it implement that Wade is better than Leborn/Dirk/KG/Wilt/Barkley/Karl Malone?

[NoleinJax]

Lets use PER as a measure of player success during a season. Steph's 14-15 PER was 27.98, good for 60th best of all time. Jordan and LeBron have 14 combined seasons with a higher PER.

Steph is NOT an all around player, he's a shooter and that's about it. I will not deny his shooting greatness but he is nothing more than a great PG who can shoot the lights out.

LeBron can play 1-5 on the court and has way better vision and basketball IQ than Curry will ever have. Jordan had the will to win and a hunger that Curry will never have, see: flu game.

Vinsanity was exactly right, Curry's last season wasn't that great from a historical perspective everybody just thinks that because he's super over hyped



I'll put $100 on that right now

Well if we can figure out a secure way to make it happen I will gladly take that bet. So your $100 to my $20? Or your $500 to my $100? Doesn't matter to me.

[NoleinJax]

5-1 odds I will also take that for 100 and if warriors win it all pm me and I promise I will pay you if you pay me if warriors don't win??? Haha

I think you are confused. I'm not offering 5-1. I'm taking 5-1 on my bet. I'll bet $20 to win $100 or $100 to win $500, etc... I'd have to be a complete moron to offer 5-1 odds on any one professional sports team to win a Championship, much less with only 10% of the season played. I'm obviously already trying to give money away by only asking for 5-1, but I can't help myself:doh:

[NoleinJax]

Nobody was arguing that steph shouldn't have gotten MVP last year for everything he accomplished, but to put him in the discussion with LeBron and Jordan is silly.



He wasn't serious lol he wasn't expecting anybody to call his bluff. No way he would take 5-1 odds on the Warriors.

I'm afraid you got me confused if you think I'm scared to bet getting 5-1. I've already got one bet with Tennelson55 and will take more, but only with well established members as I'd be setting myself up to get freerolled by people who never intend to pay if they lose, but would expect payment if they won.

[jcardstore]

I think you are confused. I'm not offering 5-1. I'm taking 5-1 on my bet. I'll bet $20 to win $100 or $100 to win $500, etc... I'd have to be a complete moron to offer 5-1 odds on any one professional sports team to win a Championship, much less with only 10% of the season played. I'm obviously already trying to give money away by only asking for 5-1, but I can't help myself:doh:

There's no way I'm taking that bet, I'm not vegas. You sure did make it seem like you were offering 5-1, hence why 2 people took that so quickly. Anyways, if you wanna make it interesting do a 1-1 for $100.

Cavs - Warriors rematch I'll take cavs you take warriors. Bet is off if either team doesn't make it.

elee712 backed out real quick when real bets got offered, you gonna do the same?

[elee712]

So you're scared to take it? Lol. I'll send $100 to someone who wants to middleman it right now to show I'm serious.

Sounds like you're not so confident in the Warriors or just scared to make a bet. Or maybe you don't have $100?


You've mistaken scared for common sense. Why wouldn't I make the bet with someone else and get better odds? Besides I'm not one to guarantee the warriors will repeat but if you're offering odds ill take it. You're the overconfident one so you should be willing to take the bet. If you're only offering 1-1, you have more confidence in the warriors than I thought.

[NoleinJax]

no no no lol you offered 5-1 that they repeat. You're taking the house line so you get my $100 if they do, if they don't you pay out $600 I'm not taking house odds on that one... lmao. I'll give it to you though, that was a nice try.

If you really want to do 5-1 on them winning I'll take $100 on it right now though.

Well since you think that is such a great bet, I'll let you pick any team in the NBA to win the title and you give me 5-1. You want the Cavs? Bet $500 to my $100. Want the Spurs? Bet $500 to my $100. Silly I know, but obviously you don't bet much if you think any sane person would give 5-1 for any 1 team to win a NBA title.

[elee712]

I think ESPN pushes the fact that Curry's 213 points through 6 games are most since MJ.

Just like last season, when ESPN kept saying Westbrook's 4 striaght triple double are the most since MJ.

While ESPN is not everyone, but it speaks very loud.

It sounds more of a sample size comparison of what curry has done thus far based on stats only. I don't think it means curry is on the same level as Jordan if comparing careers

[Orangejello727]

Lets use PER as a measure of player success during a season. Steph's 14-15 PER was 27.98, good for 60th best of all time. Jordan and LeBron have 14 combined seasons with a higher PER.

Steph is NOT an all around player, he's a shooter and that's about it. I will not deny his shooting greatness but he is nothing more than a great PG who can shoot the lights out.

LeBron can play 1-5 on the court and has way better vision and basketball IQ than Curry will ever have. Jordan had the will to win and a hunger that Curry will never have, see: flu game.

Vinsanity was exactly right, Curry's last season wasn't that great from a historical perspective everybody just thinks that because he's super over hyped



I'll put $100 on that right now

Please, you are cherry picking stats to make your case. Based on the information you gave above, you are telling everyone that only a PER should be used to calculate the best?? Because thats exactly the information you used to explain why Lebron and MJ are better than Curry. Are you sure about this?

Then you claim Lebron playing various position as to why he is the greatest. So now you are telling me that greatness means being able to play more than one position?

Then you say its vision and basketball IQ? LOL. Now its up to 4. On this note, are you sure Lebron leads the way in basketball IQ moreso than any other player that has played the game? I will have to disagree with this. I think his physical attributes are more of a reason as to why he can do so many things on the court. Just because you are fast, strong and have stamina doesn't always make you the best decision maker on court. There are players who make great decisions on court that don't have all of those attributes.

[NoleinJax]

People want to talk dominance and it's like if you win an mvp it's impressive. And if you win a scoring title it's impressive. If you win a championship it's impressive. And if you win the finals mvp that's impressive. Each one by them selves in a single season is impressive.

Everyone talks about how michael is 6 for 6 but it's the way he did the 6 for 6 that is what separates him. Every year he won the title he was the scoring champ too. Every year he won the title he was the finals mvp. And officially he won 4 season MVPs out of those 6 years.

No one has had a run like that. Sweeping all the major accomplishments in a year.

It's weird stephen curry wins the season mvp and one title and everyone is crazy goo goo gaga for him and it like he's not even in the ball park if he does that 4 more times.he still needs to do more to be even in the discussion with Jordan. And it's not just curry. Lebron. Kobe. Etc.


I agree that Curry is no Jordan, just like LeBron isn't Jordan nor Kobe. They don't even play the same position, but Curry is doing things that we have never seen by 1 player. Everytime I see an interview with a former great player on ESPN or NBA tv, they are all saying that what he is doing is incredible and that they have never seen 1 player do all the things he does as well as he does, but a cynic will say that they are all pushed to say those things to prop up players to help sell the league. So be it cynics, while Chef Curry stays cooking up the NBA.

[I only pull for]

I would LOVE to hear you define "coat-tail riding" LeBron. Please, explain that so the rest of us can understand

Ask Dwayne Wade and Ray Allen about Lebron's coat-tail riding.

[jcardstore]

Well since you think that is such a great bet, I'll let you pick any team in the NBA to win the title and you give me 5-1. You want the Cavs? Bet $500 to my $100. Want the Spurs? Bet $500 to my $100. Silly I know, but obviously you don't bet much if you think any sane person would give 5-1 for any 1 team to win a NBA title.

You've mistaken scared for common sense. Why wouldn't I make the bet with someone else and get better odds? Besides I'm not one to guarantee the warriors will repeat but if you're offering odds ill take it. You're the overconfident one so you should be willing to take the bet. If you're only offering 1-1, you have more confidence in the warriors than I thought.

Again, I'm not Vegas, I would never make that bet. I wasn't the one offering bets in the first place. If you want to make a realistic bet then we can do it but it's evident that neither of you have the balls to make a realistic bet that is even on both sides.

[NoleinJax]

So you're scared to take it? Lol. I'll send $100 to someone who wants to middleman it right now to show I'm serious.

Sounds like you're not so confident in the Warriors or just scared to make a bet. Or maybe you don't have $100?

Why would he bet $100 to win $100 from an obvious nit, when he can bet $100 in Vegas or with a bookie to win much more? That doesn't make him scared, it makes him wise in his decision. I'll tell you what. If you really want to bet, I'll bet whatever on the Warriors and you pick a team. If Warriors win, I get the money, if your team wins then you get the money and if neither of our teams win no one gets anything.

[I only pull for]

Does it implement that Wade is better than Leborn/Dirk/KG/Wilt/Barkley/Karl Malone?

What are you talking about?
I mean damn you guys are all over the place, you go from comparing Curry to---Lebron, Durant and (Jordan :rolleyes:)

and now you're bringing up Wade is better than Leborn/Dirk/KG/Wilt/Barkley/Karl Malone.
Wade was one of the most dominant players in the league for about a 5 year span and won 2 rings in that span.

Durant is soft, he is what he is. Give me Westbrook all day over Durant.

[jcardstore]

Please, you are cherry picking stats to make your case. Based on the information you gave above, you are telling everyone that only a PER should be used to calculate the best?? Because thats exactly the information you used to explain why Lebron and MJ are better than Curry. Are you sure about this?

Then you claim Lebron playing various position as to why he is the greatest. So now you are telling me that greatness means being able to play more than one position?

Then you say its vision and basketball IQ? LOL. Now its up to 4. On this note, are you sure Lebron leads the way in basketball IQ moreso than any other player that has played the game? I will have to disagree with this. I think his physical attributes are more of a reason as to why he can do so many things on the court. Just because you are fast, strong and have stamina doesn't always make you the best decision maker on court. There are players who make great decisions on court that don't have all of those attributes.

Please show me exactly where I said "Lebron leads the way in basketball IQ moreso than any other player that has played the game?" because I definitely did not. I said it's far better than Curry.

I also never said PER is the SINGLE factor in determining greatness but it sure is one that's accepted by people know know alot more about basketball statistics than you or I ever will. If you want me to handpick stats for LeBron and Curry, LeBron would dominate Curry across the board except 3pt shooting and ft % and maybe 1 or 2 others.

If you have anything to prove Curry is a greater player than LeBron I'd love to see it

It's funny how you hand pick a couple quotes and try to twist them around instead of actually thinking about what I really said

Why would he bet $100 to win $100 from an obvious nit, when he can bet $100 in Vegas or with a bookie to win much more? That doesn't make him scared, it makes him wise in his decision. I'll tell you what. If you really want to bet, I'll bet whatever on the Warriors and you pick a team. If Warriors win, I get the money, if your team wins then you get the money and if neither of our teams win no one gets anything.

Then take my Cavs / Warriors for $100 even odds

[NoleinJax]

There's no way I'm taking that bet, I'm not vegas. You sure did make it seem like you were offering 5-1, hence why 2 people took that so quickly. Anyways, if you wanna make it interesting do a 1-1 for $100.

Cavs - Warriors rematch I'll take cavs you take warriors. Bet is off if either team doesn't make it.

elee712 backed out real quick when real bets got offered, you gonna do the same?

I'll do the bet, but the only way the bet is off is is neither team win the title. If the Warriors win but the Cavs get beat before the finals, I'd still win the bet and vice versa. If you want to only bet if the Warriors and Cavs make the finals, then hit me up once the finals are set.

[NoleinJax]

You've mistaken scared for common sense. Why wouldn't I make the bet with someone else and get better odds? Besides I'm not one to guarantee the warriors will repeat but if you're offering odds ill take it. You're the overconfident one so you should be willing to take the bet. If you're only offering 1-1, you have more confidence in the warriors than I thought.

No man you must be scared because he said so:rolleyes: Sounds like some "double dare" Nickelodeon schoolyard type stuff.

[rookies]

There won't be another Kobe e bryant as well

I think there will be lots of Kobes. A few in the NBA right now.

[NoleinJax]

Ask Dwayne Wade and Ray Allen about Lebron's coat-tail riding.

LeBron owes Bosh and Allen big time or he'd be 1-5 in the Finals

[jcardstore]

I'll do the bet, but the only way the bet is off is is neither team win the title. If the Warriors win but the Cavs get beat before the finals, I'd still win the bet and vice versa. If you want to only bet if the Warriors and Cavs make the finals, then hit me up once the finals are set.

That's fine I'll take that bet

[Homerun]

Exactky LOL whoever mentions them in the same sentence is a fool and knows nothing about basketball plain and simple. Curry not even better then Bron and KD so how could you mention him withJordan. So people man there just so foolish. I also think Westbrook is just as good if not better then curry. As I said before curry a beast but let's not get stupid here guys.

Exactky he had 1 great year and it was not even that special for a MVP season so calm down every. He is a great player yea but not as good as everyone making him out to be. He also has a ton of help best supporting cast in the league by far they are literally loaded.

This year i will give it to you he been a beast so far. But last year for a MVP season was really not all that impressive was a great great year don't get me wrong be not one of the better MVP years that for sure if you look at his stats. Also he did not even win Finals MVP LOL how does that happen when your MVP of the league. He lucky cavs were hurt cause if they are healthy they would of beat them and curry would have got roasted cause the first 4 games of that series he played like A$$$.

Well they would have it common sense if you watched the series, but still warriors won give them credit they beat who was in front of them. Also steve nash did not deserve to win those 2 MVPs everyone knows it those should be KObes. Also you could say that about lebron to what you said about steph lebron sat out a ton and so did KD in his MVP year cause they blew out teams and both of there MVP years were way way better then stephs. Also lets all be real here if lebron looked to score more just like steph dose he would average 30-33 ppg easily.

Bottom line curry is great. But he no MJ that for $hit sure. He is no lebron and no KD they are all better then him. Curry is the 3rd or 4th best player right now that all I'm saying to say he better the BRON or KD is freaking crazy. How quickly everyone forgets KD MVP year 2 years ago which was crazy one of the greatest years of all time his MVP year blew currys away so lets stop comparing him to bron and KD. KD right now averaging 30 like it lite work and no one talking about him yet curry doing same thing and everyone is on him please he great yeas but not better then those guys.

i did watch the games read what i said did not say he did not deserve the MVP he did cause no one else was worthy cause no one else really had a good year at all except harden and bron, and bron for his standard had a bad year but was still better then currys. What I'm saying is it is one of the more unimpressive MVP seasons that all I'm saying. Just like steve nash 2 seasons that i felt were not really MVP worthy. That is all.

It not if it true if they were healthy. Good place that bet lol can't wait till Bron and cavs beat them if warriors even make it back agian lol. Also I want to be clear I like steph a lot he great and warriors are good to it just everyone over hyping him and the Warriors to much it annoying let them do more and steph before we start making these crazy statements about them that all I'm saying.

Exactly man thank you.

5-1 odds I will also take that for 100 and if warriors win it all pm me and I promise I will pay you if you pay me if warriors don't win??? Haha

Holy run-on sentences. I can't even understand what you're trying to say.

Please tell me that English isn't your first language.

[pingbling23]

LeBron owes Bosh and Allen big time or he'd be 1-5 in the Finals

You act like lebron did nothing, typical.

[pingbling23]

I think there will be lots of Kobes. A few in the NBA right now.

Exactly, Kobe was incredible but he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Let's see how he would do following lebron's trail in the league. I'm guessing it would look similar in Miami but I doubt he gets as far as lebron did in Cleveland.

[CubKings]

Of all players to ever be compared to MJ, Curry should not be one.

[dasiegel]

I still think Jordan's the greatest but here are the rosters of the teams each player was on the 1st year they made it to the finals with their age w/ Jordan and Lebron swapped. Plus, the Bulls had the same core players for 3 years before the championship season. They had a chance to develop and learn their roles on the team right as they hit their prime on top of having maybe the greatest head coach in NBA history.

90-91 Bulls coached by Phil Jackson:

LeBron James 22
John Paxon 30
Scottie Pippen 25
Horace Grant 25
Bill Cartwright 33
BJ Armstrong 23
Stacey King 24
Cliff Livingston 30
Will Perdue 25

06-07 Cavs coached by Mike Brown

Michael Jordan 27
Eric Snow 33
Larry Hughes 28
Drew Gooden 25
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 31
Anderson Varejao 24
Sasha Pavlovic 23
Donyell Marshall 33
Damon Jones 30

I really wanted to stay out of this thread but I saw this. I don't think this helps Lebron's case. I don't think that Bulls team with Lebron wins the championship. As good as Pippen, Grant, Paxon and co were I think that the scoring and big shot making ability unique to Jordan propelled that team. Lebron that team, being an excellent scorer but more of a well rounded superstar may not have enough help to win that year. Maybe those later Bulls teams with Lebron would've been just as good when they had Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc etc, but those early teams really needed Jordan's offensive prowess to dominate everyone that year (90-91).

[pingbling23]

I really wanted to stay out of this thread but I saw this. I don't think this helps Lebron's case. I don't think that Bulls team with Lebron wins the championship. As good as Pippen, Grant, Paxon and co were I think that the scoring and big shot making ability unique to Jordan propelled that team. Lebron that team, being an excellent scorer but more of a well rounded superstar may not have enough help to win that year. Maybe those later Bulls teams with Lebron would've been just as good when they had Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc etc, but those early teams really needed Jordan's offensive prowess to dominate everyone that year (90-91).

I disagree, that bulls team is more well rounded and better coached then the cavs team.

[vinsanity15]

Holy run-on sentences. I can't even understand what you're trying to say.

Please tell me that English isn't your first language.

My bad lol at work have to use my phone it hard to type fast on it. Also auto spell check does not help lol have to take my time haha.

[jcardstore]

I really wanted to stay out of this thread but I saw this. I don't think this helps Lebron's case. I don't think that Bulls team with Lebron wins the championship. As good as Pippen, Grant, Paxon and co were I think that the scoring and big shot making ability unique to Jordan propelled that team. Lebron that team, being an excellent scorer but more of a well rounded superstar may not have enough help to win that year. Maybe those later Bulls teams with Lebron would've been just as good when they had Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc etc, but those early teams really needed Jordan's offensive prowess to dominate everyone that year (90-91).

Here's an interesting question, if you swap out Jordan for LeBron on the 07 Cavs team do they win the finals?

I would say probably not because the supporting cast was absolutely awful, nobody could have won with that team and it's amazing the Cavs even got there.

What about the Mavs, or the Spurs? If you swapped out Jordan for LeBron on the Heat they probably win all 4

[KB81]

No matter who comes along, Lebron, or anyone in the future, they will never be able to replace Jordan's impact on the game or the attention he brought to the NBA, period.

This is well stated and captures it all.

No doubt MJ was the cream of the crop and to reach his stats many will try and fail. His impact to the game to me is more important. His stats just back up his impact.

[elee712]

There's no way I'm taking that bet, I'm not vegas. You sure did make it seem like you were offering 5-1, hence why 2 people took that so quickly. Anyways, if you wanna make it interesting do a 1-1 for $100.

Cavs - Warriors rematch I'll take cavs you take warriors. Bet is off if either team doesn't make it.

elee712 backed out real quick when real bets got offered, you gonna do the same?

I backed off? Come on...what is going on in that brain of yours?

[jcardstore]

I backed off? Come on...what is going on in that brain of yours?

NoleinJax was man enough to take an even bet.

[elee712]

NoleinJax was man enough to take an even bet.

Was it the 1-1 bet where you take the field and he takes the warriors? That was what you came up with.

Talking about twisting things around...

[Orangejello727]

Lets use PER as a measure of player success during a season. Steph's 14-15 PER was 27.98, good for 60th best of all time. Jordan and LeBron have 14 combined seasons with a higher PER.

Steph is NOT an all around player, he's a shooter and that's about it. I will not deny his shooting greatness but he is nothing more than a great PG who can shoot the lights out.

LeBron can play 1-5 on the court and has way better vision and basketball IQ than Curry will ever have. Jordan had the will to win and a hunger that Curry will never have, see: flu game.

Vinsanity was exactly right, Curry's last season wasn't that great from a historical perspective everybody just thinks that because he's super over hyped



I'll put $100 on that right now

Please show me exactly where I said "Lebron leads the way in basketball IQ moreso than any other player that has played the game?" because I definitely did not. I said it's far better than Curry.

I also never said PER is the SINGLE factor in determining greatness but it sure is one that's accepted by people know know alot more about basketball statistics than you or I ever will. If you want me to handpick stats for LeBron and Curry, LeBron would dominate Curry across the board except 3pt shooting and ft % and maybe 1 or 2 others.

If you have anything to prove Curry is a greater player than LeBron I'd love to see it

It's funny how you hand pick a couple quotes and try to twist them around instead of actually thinking about what I really said



Then take my Cavs / Warriors for $100 even odds

You said it. I highlighted it. Curry has better court vision than Lebron in my opinion. It'll only get better as well. What I said is you cherry pick things to lopside the determination that curry is not good.

I don't know why you choose to compare Curry to Lebron to MJ. Different eras, different size, different positions and different competition. Just doesn't make sense as they are all different players. There is no such thing as a greater player. There never can be a greater player unless you compare two players with the exact same attributes. Otherwise its not a real comparison. Its like comparing an apple to a banana. Which one is greater? I bet you can form an opinion on which taste better or you digest easier based on your personal opinion. But nothing factual can lead to determining which is greater as they are too different from one another.

[jcardstore]

You said it. I highlighted it. Curry has better court vision than Lebron in my opinion. It'll only get better as well. What I said is you cherry pick things to lopside the determination that curry is not good.

I don't know why you choose to compare Curry to Lebron to MJ. Different eras, different size, different positions and different competition. Just doesn't make sense as they are all different players. There is no such thing as a greater player. There never can be a greater player unless you compare two players with the exact same attributes. Otherwise its not a real comparison. Its like comparing an apple to a banana. Which one is greater? I bet you can form an opinion on which taste better or you digest easier based on your personal opinion. But nothing factual can lead to determining which is greater as they are too different from one another.

Never said Curry wasn't good either I'm really not even sure how you inferred that. You really can't grasp the idea of context or you just don't read. I was saying Curry is nowhere near the level of LeBron and Jordan and should not even be compared to the two.

Since some people are insistent on comparing them so I used a common statistic, widely accepted by basketball experts, that measures a players net performance while on the court. This statistic is calculated using a detailed formula that was created by basketball experts.

If you would have actually read the progression of the thread, rather than making assumptions, you would have seen that I referenced the PER to show that Curry's season was not that impressive in relation to other seasons that LeBron and Jordan have had. You really need to work on your reading skills.

Was it the 1-1 bet where you take the field and he takes the warriors? That was what you came up with.

Talking about twisting things around...

1-1 I bet Cavs win he bet Warriors win if neither team wins bet is off

[elee712]

1-1 I bet Cavs win he bet Warriors win if neither team wins bet is off


I understand that. See how that's not the same as 100 to me if Warriors win and 100 to you if any other team wins?

[SteveO21]

Super cool thread. Very original.

[jcardstore]

I understand that. See how that's not the same as 100 to me if Warriors win and 100 to you if any other team wins?

Make the bet then

[pingbling23]

I understand that. See how that's not the same as 100 to me if Warriors win and 100 to you if any other team wins?

Stop making bets hahaha. It costs me to much money lol.

[8collector34]

It’s not enough to be the best basketball player on the court to win a championship. Just like it is not enough to put up numbers or rings on your finger to be the G.O.A.T. Michael Jordan, a synonym of basketball for most. His skill and talent is undeniable and without a doubt, Pippen, Rodman, Phil Jackson the whole Bulls, North Carolina even Nike had a part to create the global phenomenon that is Michael Jordan. Like Machiavelli wrote. In order for great things to happen in history, it is not enough to just have a great leader, but the time is have to be right as well. The environment in which Jordan thrived was just as crucial to his success as his competitive virtue. He is incomparable to anyone in basketball and even sports. His impact on human culture elevates him into the ranks of Gandhi or the Beatles.

[elee712]

Stop making bets hahaha. It costs me to much money lol.

haha :)

[elee712]

Make the bet then

Alright, I'm down with the same bet.
100 to me if warriors win the title
100 to you if the cavs win the title

[NoleinJax]

Super cool thread. Very original.

Super cool comment. Very original.

[Orangejello727]

Never said Curry wasn't good either I'm really not even sure how you inferred that. You really can't grasp the idea of context or you just don't read. I was saying Curry is nowhere near the level of LeBron and Jordan and should not even be compared to the two.

Since some people are insistent on comparing them so I used a common statistic, widely accepted by basketball experts, that measures a players net performance while on the court. This statistic is calculated using a detailed formula that was created by basketball experts.

If you would have actually read the progression of the thread, rather than making assumptions, you would have seen that I referenced the PER to show that Curry's season was not that impressive in relation to other seasons that LeBron and Jordan have had. You really need to work on your reading skills.


1-1 I bet Cavs win he bet Warriors win if neither team wins bet is off

Oookay. Thats why curry walked away with a ring and lebron didn't. Get over yourself. No amounts of stats will provide you a sufficient reason to claim anyone better. You cannot compare Curry to Lebron just as you can't compare Lebron to MJ. Right back to the point I made. No comparison. I just don't like all this curry hating business. He is a great player. Infact he is the the best player int he game currently and more importantly the most exciting player to watch, which to me is worth more than a stat monster.

My reading skill are in tact. But lets focus on good stuff rather than dwelling on the stuff you hate.

[dasiegel]

I disagree, that bulls team is more well rounded and better coached then the cavs team.

My responses here are related. The Bulls team is more well rounded than the Cavs team, that's kinda my point, when a team is very good across the board they need a main offensive wepaon, like Curry was for a deep GS team last year.

Here's an interesting question, if you swap out Jordan for LeBron on the 07 Cavs team do they win the finals?

I would say probably not because the supporting cast was absolutely awful, nobody could have won with that team and it's amazing the Cavs even got there.

What about the Mavs, or the Spurs? If you swapped out Jordan for LeBron on the Heat they probably win all 4

Great question, this helps me make my point. I do NOT think that 07 team wins with Jordan. That team was not talented enough. Lebron being a well rounded amazing talent actually probably helped them win as much as the feasibly could. However on other teams, you don't need a well rounded star, you need an assassin. So there are definitely team where it would be better to have a Lebron than a Jordan... although on most teams I'd think you'd prefer a Jordan. The Mavs I'd still lean toward MJ but the well rounded Spurs teams actually might function better with a Lebron who could get everyone involved without isolating any part of the floor.

[jcardstore]

Oookay. Thats why curry walked away with a ring and lebron didn't. Get over yourself. No amounts of stats will provide you a sufficient reason to claim anyone better. You cannot compare Curry to Lebron just as you can't compare Lebron to MJ. Right back to the point I made. No comparison. I just don't like all this curry hating business. He is a great player. Infact he is the the best player int he game currently and more importantly the most exciting player to watch, which to me is worth more than a stat monster.

My reading skill are in tact. But lets focus on good stuff rather than dwelling on the stuff you hate.

Yea, except Curry had a great team around him and LeBron had bench players. Lebron beat the Warriors twice by himself, take away Draymond and Klay from the Warriors and Curry gets stomped.

To say that no amount of stats can provide reason to claim one player is better than another is simply a cop-out answer and just flat out wrong. With that logic you can't prove MJ is any better than Scot Pollard.

It's hilarious how you just claim that stats don't mean anything if they don't support your argument. "The stats don't support my argument so they're obviously not valid!"

[vinsanity15]

You said it. I highlighted it. Curry has better court vision than Lebron in my opinion. It'll only get better as well. What I said is you cherry pick things to lopside the determination that curry is not good.

I don't know why you choose to compare Curry to Lebron to MJ. Different eras, different size, different positions and different competition. Just doesn't make sense as they are all different players. There is no such thing as a greater player. There never can be a greater player unless you compare two players with the exact same attributes. Otherwise its not a real comparison. Its like comparing an apple to a banana. Which one is greater? I bet you can form an opinion on which taste better or you digest easier based on your personal opinion. But nothing factual can lead to determining which is greater as they are too different from one another.

Come on bro curry does not have better court vision then lebron. Judging by how im reading your responses in this thread you think curry is better then lebron am i correect?? If I am not please correct me. But in all seriousness come on bro lol lets be real here curry great but lets all take a chill pill.

[6celtics33]

Every time someone puts a good little stretch together Jordan gets brought up and it makes my head hurt. Wake me up when someone puts together an 11 year run like Jordan. Yes he only played 11 full seasons with Chicago.

30.1ppg (NBA record)
33.4 playoff ppg (NBA record)
Defensive player of the year 88
10x scoring champion
10x 1st team all NBA
9x 1st team NBA defense
6-0 NBA finals
6x finals MVP

Consider this.

Michael you're a scorer you don't play d.
He wins defensive player of the year and becomes one of the best 3 or 4 defenders ever

Michael you just score you can't win
He wins 6 titles and 10 scoring champions.

Michael, Magic makes everyone better you just score
He averages more assists than Magic in 91 finals and scores 30ppg

Michael, Clyde is a better shooter than you
He scores 35 in 1st half and hits 6 3s, a record

Michael, Charles is the MVP and Phoenix is the 1 seed
He averages 41ppg for the finals and wins the title (NBA record)

Michael has lost a step he's not the same after the baseball retirement
They go 72-10, wins scoring title, wins the title

Michael, Karl is the MVP now
Jordan broke Utah's heart twice

Point being, there can be all kinds of stat arguments and metrics to be debated about this teammate and that field goal % but....

Put any of these players on the other side of him head up and tell him what you're saying now be it about Kobe or Steph or Bron and he would thrive on proving to you the difference in him and them.

[vinsanity15]

Every time someone puts a good little stretch together Jordan gets brought up and it makes my head hurt. Wake me up when someone puts together an 11 year run like Jordan. Yes he only played 11 full seasons with Chicago.

30.1ppg (NBA record)
33.4 playoff ppg (NBA record)
Defensive player of the year 88
10x scoring champion
10x 1st team all NBA
9x 1st team NBA defense
6-0 NBA finals
6x finals MVP

Consider this.

Michael you're a scorer you don't play d.
He wins defensive player of the year and becomes one of the best 3 or 4 defenders ever

Michael you just score you can't win
He wins 6 titles and 10 scoring champions.

Michael, Magic makes everyone better you just score
He averages more assists than Magic in 91 finals and scores 30ppg

Michael, Clyde is a better shooter than you
He scores 35 in 1st half and hits 6 3s, a record

Michael, Charles is the MVP and Phoenix is the 1 seed
He averages 41ppg for the finals and wins the title (NBA record)

Michael has lost a step he's not the same after the baseball retirement
They go 72-10, wins scoring title, wins the title

Michael, Karl is the MVP now
Jordan broke Utah's heart twice

Point being, there can be all kinds of stat arguments and metrics to be debated about this teammate and that field goal % but....

Put any of these players on the other side of him head up and tell him what you're saying now be it about Kobe or Steph or Bron and he would thrive on proving to you the difference in him and them.

I love this post well done man it great lol. That is why he is the GOAT and there will never be another.

[6celtics33]

I also agree with the post above. Lebron can take a bad team farther than Jordan because of the nature of his all around game. That's probably why similar all around studs Magic and Bird were so successful with the talent around them. But Jordan wa the ultimate closer. Lebron wouldn't have won the titles of he was on the Bulls either. The pieces wouldn't fit the same.

I would love to see Lebron featured in a Spurs type triangle type offense where he can move and there is motion vs him dribbling for 17-20 seconds then taking a fadeaway or driving and firing it 100 mph off Mozgov's head out of bounds.

[jcardstore]

Oookay. Thats why curry walked away with a ring and lebron didn't. Get over yourself. No amounts of stats will provide you a sufficient reason to claim anyone better. You cannot compare Curry to Lebron just as you can't compare Lebron to MJ. Right back to the point I made. No comparison. I just don't like all this curry hating business. He is a great player. Infact he is the the best player int he game currently and more importantly the most exciting player to watch, which to me is worth more than a stat monster.

My reading skill are in tact. But lets focus on good stuff rather than dwelling on the stuff you hate.

LeBron, better true shooting, assist %, reb %, to %, stl %, blk %, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, total win shares.

but stats don't matter right?

[Orangejello727]

LeBron, better true shooting, assist %, reb %, to %, stl %, blk %, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, total win shares.

but stats don't matter right?

So what exactly did those stats get Lebron last season? 2nd place?

[vinsanity15]

Oookay. Thats why curry walked away with a ring and lebron didn't. Get over yourself. No amounts of stats will provide you a sufficient reason to claim anyone better. You cannot compare Curry to Lebron just as you can't compare Lebron to MJ. Right back to the point I made. No comparison. I just don't like all this curry hating business. He is a great player. Infact he is the the best player int he game currently and more importantly the most exciting player to watch, which to me is worth more than a stat monster.

My reading skill are in tact. But lets focus on good stuff rather than dwelling on the stuff you hate.

Bro your nuts saying he better then Bron please you said no comparing you just compared just please stop what you said is nuts. Curry is not better then Bron just please stop this, he is great yes but he is no Bron.

[jcardstore]

So what exactly did those stats get Lebron last season? 2nd place?

I'm not talking season stats, I'm talking career. You're also totally ignoring that LeBron played with a BENCH and Curry had great players around him.

You've thoroughly made yourself look like a fool, it might be time to give up now.

[6celtics33]

Lebron and Westbrook both have yet to be harnessed correctly. They are too ball dominant and struggle to close games because of this in my opinion. If you all play basketball and played any pg, you know handling the ball takes it out of you. Jordan says he wasn't physically able to deal with Detroit for awhile but he adapted. The triangle was a big part of that in getting him easy shots moving without the ball. Jordan under Doug Collins and Kevin Loughry looked quite different than Jordan under Phil. It wasn't just that Scottie and Horace got better. Jordan learned to conserve and have enough left to be unstoppable down the stretch. Dribbling against pressure constantly makes that impossible.

[Orangejello727]

I'm not talking season stats, I'm talking career. You're also totally ignoring that LeBron played with a BENCH and Curry had great players around him.

You've thoroughly made yourself look like a fool, it might be time to give up now.

So if you are talking career, any chance on waiting because curry and lebrun are still playing.

I don't care who Lebron played with. It seems like you keep making up excuses every time lebron doesn't win a championship. Its time to finally realize that the reason why he didn't win a ship last year is because the warriors were better. When he did win a ship, its because his team was better. Its as simple as that. Remember basketball is a team sport right?

Im not going to argue with you. The warriors won last season. The Cavs didn't. Stop laying down excuses and move on.

[jcardstore]

So if you are talking career, any chance on waiting because curry and lebrun are still playing.

I don't care who Lebron played with. It seems like you keep making up excuses every time lebron doesn't win a championship. Its time to finally realize that the reason why he didn't win a ship last year is because the warriors were better. When he did win a ship, its because his team was better. Its as simple as that. Remember basketball is a team sport right?

Im not going to argue with you. The warriors won last season. The Cavs didn't. Stop laying down excuses and move on.

Not my argument at all. Simply saying that Curry is nowhere near the level of LeBron and most likely never will be. Again here you go twisting around statements to try and make yourself feel like you're right or you've won to boost your internet ego.

Tell me how many rings curry has? And how many does lebron have?

How was curry when he didn't have a team full of great stars and a great system? Not winning anything. Lebron took teams with way less talent way farther than curry could ever do

[6celtics33]

I'm not talking season stats, I'm talking career. You're also totally ignoring that LeBron played with a BENCH and Curry had great players around him.

You've thoroughly made yourself look like a fool, it might be time to give up now.

Lebron is better than Curry, let's not be foolish here but don't act like Lebron overcomes great odds all the time. The east sucks so as soon as Lebron played a good team they lost. Lebron also had these good teammates like curry has now for 4 years and was only able to squeeze two titles out of it. He got shut down by Jason Kidd which never should've happened and the Spurs destroyed him.

Relative to how great he is and I did say relative, he's come up small many many times in big spots.

[I only pull for]

Every time someone puts a good little stretch together Jordan gets brought up and it makes my head hurt. Wake me up when someone puts together an 11 year run like Jordan. Yes he only played 11 full seasons with Chicago.

30.1ppg (NBA record)
33.4 playoff ppg (NBA record)
Defensive player of the year 88
10x scoring champion
10x 1st team all NBA
9x 1st team NBA defense
6-0 NBA finals
6x finals MVP

Consider this.

Michael you're a scorer you don't play d.
He wins defensive player of the year and becomes one of the best 3 or 4 defenders ever

Michael you just score you can't win
He wins 6 titles and 10 scoring champions.

Michael, Magic makes everyone better you just score
He averages more assists than Magic in 91 finals and scores 30ppg

Michael, Clyde is a better shooter than you
He scores 35 in 1st half and hits 6 3s, a record

Michael, Charles is the MVP and Phoenix is the 1 seed
He averages 41ppg for the finals and wins the title (NBA record)

Michael has lost a step he's not the same after the baseball retirement
They go 72-10, wins scoring title, wins the title

Michael, Karl is the MVP now
Jordan broke Utah's heart twice

Point being, there can be all kinds of stat arguments and metrics to be debated about this teammate and that field goal % but....

Put any of these players on the other side of him head up and tell him what you're saying now be it about Kobe or Steph or Bron and he would thrive on proving to you the difference in him and them.

I believe we have a winner :)!

[pingbling23]

Every time someone puts a good little stretch together Jordan gets brought up and it makes my head hurt. Wake me up when someone puts together an 11 year run like Jordan. Yes he only played 11 full seasons with Chicago.

30.1ppg (NBA record)
33.4 playoff ppg (NBA record)
Defensive player of the year 88
10x scoring champion
10x 1st team all NBA
9x 1st team NBA defense
6-0 NBA finals
6x finals MVP

Consider this.

Michael you're a scorer you don't play d.
He wins defensive player of the year and becomes one of the best 3 or 4 defenders ever

Michael you just score you can't win
He wins 6 titles and 10 scoring champions.

Michael, Magic makes everyone better you just score
He averages more assists than Magic in 91 finals and scores 30ppg

Michael, Clyde is a better shooter than you
He scores 35 in 1st half and hits 6 3s, a record

Michael, Charles is the MVP and Phoenix is the 1 seed
He averages 41ppg for the finals and wins the title (NBA record)

Michael has lost a step he's not the same after the baseball retirement
They go 72-10, wins scoring title, wins the title

Michael, Karl is the MVP now
Jordan broke Utah's heart twice

Point being, there can be all kinds of stat arguments and metrics to be debated about this teammate and that field goal % but....

Put any of these players on the other side of him head up and tell him what you're saying now be it about Kobe or Steph or Bron and he would thrive on proving to you the difference in him and them.

Boom, Jordan is goat.

[pingbling23]

Lebron is better than Curry, let's not be foolish here but don't act like Lebron overcomes great odds all the time. The east sucks so as soon as Lebron played a good team they lost. Lebron also had these good teammates like curry has now for 4 years and was only able to squeeze two titles out of it. He got shut down by Jason Kidd which never should've happened and the Spurs destroyed him.

Relative to how great he is and I did say relative, he's come up small many many times in big spots.

It's not as easy as that. Give lebron a team and they win. Not a lineup of scrubs or an injury riddled team and they win.

[pingbling23]

So if you are talking career, any chance on waiting because curry and lebrun are still playing.

I don't care who Lebron played with. It seems like you keep making up excuses every time lebron doesn't win a championship. Its time to finally realize that the reason why he didn't win a ship last year is because the warriors were better. When he did win a ship, its because his team was better. Its as simple as that. Remember basketball is a team sport right?

Im not going to argue with you. The warriors won last season. The Cavs didn't. Stop laying down excuses and move on.

Are the excuses not valid? The Warriors were better at that time. Injuries are detrimental. Can you really hold that against lebron? I know you can, but reality says otherwise.

[6celtics33]

I can't get there when he's 2-2 with reasonably equal teams. I'm not counting 07 but he was the best player on an equal team more or less all 4 years in Miami. Historically when that's the case the best players greatness makes the difference but it hasn't for him.

[pingbling23]

I can't get there when he's 2-2 with reasonably equal teams. I'm not counting 07 but he was the best player on an equal team more or less all 4 years in Miami. Historically when that's the case the best players greatness makes the difference but it hasn't for him.

They should have won the first season, but the team wasn't there, I think they knew lebron was gone the last season and they gave up on the series. Rewatch it an tell me otherwise.

[vinsanity15]

Are the excuses not valid? The Warriors were better at that time. Injuries are detrimental. Can you really hold that against lebron? I know you can, but reality says otherwise.

Exactly lol 100% correct they had injuries if not would have 1000% been a diffrent story but warriors beat who they played that all you can do.

[I only pull for]

Steph is just coming into his own, I'm not ready to crown him but I will say this ride he is taking fans on is going to be something to watch. His shooting range is still expanding and I swear the guy could shoot 40% from half court.
I can't remember a player Steph's size being able to dominate the games the way he does and you really can't compare him to Lebron due to the positions they play; and comparing him to Jordan, well--- I have no words I can use on blowout for that.

However, I am a little bias towards Steph, I've been watching him since he played at Davidson. He has only heard he can't his entire basketball life and the guy has a passion for the game--I think that inspires his competitive drive. He is a long way from being crowned as one of the all-time greats and has a long way to go to get on the Everest of basketball greats, but the ability and drive seem to be there for Steph.
So, with all that said, can we let these guys play out their careers before we crown them?

[vinsanity15]

I can't get there when he's 2-2 with reasonably equal teams. I'm not counting 07 but he was the best player on an equal team more or less all 4 years in Miami. Historically when that's the case the best players greatness makes the difference but it hasn't for him.

I agree really 2-2. Lets be real it was a victory in it self in 07 getting that team full of scrubs to the finals lol. Curry would never ever be able to do that. Also this past year he also played with a bunch of bench guys so you cant blame him. Only superman would have been able to win those 2 series lol or maybe MJ lol.

[pingbling23]

Exactly lol 100% correct they had injuries if not would have 1000% been a diffrent story but warriors beat who they played that all you can do.

Yep, and who was the finals mvp, not curry. The role players stepped up. Lebron was unstoppable that series and in all honesty should have been the finals mvp, on a losing team.

[6celtics33]

I'm not a Lebron "hater" as they say but I just expect more from him I guess. When he dominated that great Pistons d and scored 49 or whatever and like 30 in a row I was like damn he's about to own the league like Jordan did but it never happened playoff wise. I thought the same thing after he played insane in Boston or game 6 down 3-2 when he went like 45-15-5 but the momentum doesn't keep going. He'll follow it up with a cramp game or get beat by 30 by the Spurs or whatever. And I am a hater admittedly when I hear his post loss press conferences talking about how it's just basketball and he has a great life etc etc.

Of course all of that is logical and true but millions of us would kill to be in his spot so to hear it nonchalantly thrown about like it doesn't matter and for him to take losses so lightly kills me and it should explain more to you about why he is 2-4 in finals series and even worse an overall record of 13-20 in the finals than what teammates he has. He's the leader. He sets the tone. That plays a part and filters like a cancer. Make no mistake.

[vinsanity15]

Yep, and who was the finals mvp, not curry. The role players stepped up. Lebron was unstoppable that series and in all honesty should have been the finals mvp, on a losing team.

Yep for sure. Curry played like trash the first 4 games of the series lucky cavs were hurt otherwise he would have got destroyed for how bad he played and that he chocked.

[6celtics33]

Steph is just coming into his own, I'm not ready to crown him but I will say this ride he is taking fans on is going to be something to watch. His shooting range is still expanding and I swear the guy could shoot 40% from half court.
I can't remember a player Steph's size being able to dominate the games the way he does and you really can't compare him to Lebron due to the positions they play; and comparing him to Jordan, well--- I have no words I can use on blowout for that.

However, I am a little bias towards Steph, I've been watching him since he played at Davidson. He has only heard he can't his entire basketball life and the guy has a passion for the game--I think that inspires his competitive drive. He is a long way from being crowned as one of the all-time greats and has a long way to go to get on the Everest of basketball greats, but the ability and drive seem to be there for Steph.
So, with all that said, can we let these guys play out their careers before we crown them?

I agree. I like players with a chip on their shoulders and something to prove. Curry did get Davidson very close to beating Kansas in the elite 8, the eventual champion. He is unusual for sure. I wouldn't put him in the Lebron category. But with my Lebron negativity I'm just saying I wouldn't put him in Jordan's category. I still think Lebron is one of the best 8 or 9 to ever play.

My main beef is with the media. I've heard Anthony Davis projections as being the best player in the league to a potential top 5 all time player and now after 2 weeks I hear nothing. Just slow down people. Let it unfold.

[vinsanity15]

Bottom line here is Jordan is the GOAT no debating that. Lebron is not better than Jordan. Curry is not better than Lebron.

End Thread.

[jcardstore]

I can't get there when he's 2-2 with reasonably equal teams. I'm not counting 07 but he was the best player on an equal team more or less all 4 years in Miami. Historically when that's the case the best players greatness makes the difference but it hasn't for him.

Totally agree here. LeBron isn't the GOAT because he doesn't have the will to win like MJ and he never will.

MJ had an unbreakable will to win. He wasn't the best athlete he wasn't really even a freak athlete like most of today's players but he was just a winner and that just can't be quantified. I don't think there will be anyone to even match MJ tbh.

On a side note OrangeJello has retreated to his Curry shrine somewhere in the basement. "It's ok baby I defended your honor, I will never let those bad people hurt you. We can be together always <3|

[6celtics33]

I mean you can like who you like and it's ok just be rational. This seems to be a bigger deal in basketball than any other sport. In baseball I grew up loving Griffey and frank thomas. I still collect them. They were great but you won't hear me debating Griffey over babe Ruth or Willie Mays. I have some common sense.

[vinsanity15]

I mean you can like who you like and it's ok just be rational. This seems to be a bigger deal in basketball than any other sport. In baseball I grew up loving Griffey and frank thomas. I still collect them. They were great but you won't hear me debating Griffey over babe Ruth or Willie Mays. I have some common sense.

Exactly just like don't debate Curry with lebron or Jordan if so your a moron.

[rj.cataldo]

I am a huge Jordan fan, and have never cared too much for Lebron. I never specifically cared for all of the Jordan/Lebron comparisons, but the Curry/Jordan comparisons are even more ridiculous. Additionally, while I like Curry, I don't think it is even close between Lebron and Curry. Lebron is the superior player.

If you want to argue that Curry is the best player in the NBA right now through the first 9 games of the season, then there is no argument there. But, I would guess that most GMs would still take Lebron over Curry. Curry has the benefit of a team that is built top the bottom with good players that have a specific role or purpose which compliment their style of play and Steph's game.

I would say the success of the Warriors has as much to do with the GM as it does Curry.

[Orangejello727]

a whole lotta guys either living in the past or counting what ifs as reality! Good luck with that!

[vinsanity15]

a whole lotta guys either living in the past or counting what ifs as reality! Good luck with that!

Good luck to you as well Bro.

[jcardstore]

a whole lotta guys either living in the past or counting what ifs as reality! Good luck with that!

Classic neckbeard response.

[vinsanity15]

Classic neckbeard response.

Haha guy thinks Curry is better than Lebron he freaking Nuts, and then he says good luck to us lol.

[jcardstore]

Haha guy thinks Curry is better than Lebron he freaking Nuts, and then he says good luck to us lol.

He's the kind of person that just craves attention on the internet because he can't get it anywhere else.

[tristan20]

The offense lick their chops when they see curry defending.

You can't be great if you can't defend!

[elee712]

Exactly just like don't debate Curry with lebron or Jordan if so your a moron.

That would be "you're " a moron.

[UltimateDeron]

I see many mad LeBron fans in this thread. It's time to face the truth: Stephen Curry is the best player in the NBA right now. He's straight up a game changer.

It's crazy, but he amazes me more and more every time I watch him play.

[elee712]

I am a huge Jordan fan, and have never cared too much for Lebron. I never specifically cared for all of the Jordan/Lebron comparisons, but the Curry/Jordan comparisons are even more ridiculous. Additionally, while I like Curry, I don't think it is even close between Lebron and Curry. Lebron is the superior player.

If you want to argue that Curry is the best player in the NBA right now through the first 9 games of the season, then there is no argument there. But, I would guess that most GMs would still take Lebron over Curry. Curry has the benefit of a team that is built top the bottom with good players that have a specific role or purpose which compliment their style of play and Steph's game.

I would say the success of the Warriors has as much to do with the GM as it does Curry.

Everyone in the organization deserves credit for the success of the team. In terms of team only, you take curry off the team and they would be a 500 team at best. You take anybody else off (except maybe draymond) there might not be much of a drop off at all.

[dasiegel]

Never thought I'd say it but Curry is the best player in the league right now. His ability to handle and shoot from anywhere is brand new and amazing.

[Starman101]

Every time someone puts a good little stretch together Jordan gets brought up and it makes my head hurt. Wake me up when someone puts together an 11 year run like Jordan. Yes he only played 11 full seasons with Chicago.

30.1ppg (NBA record)
33.4 playoff ppg (NBA record)
Defensive player of the year 88
10x scoring champion
10x 1st team all NBA
9x 1st team NBA defense
6-0 NBA finals
6x finals MVP

Consider this.

Michael you're a scorer you don't play d.
He wins defensive player of the year and becomes one of the best 3 or 4 defenders ever

Michael you just score you can't win
He wins 6 titles and 10 scoring champions.

Michael, Magic makes everyone better you just score
He averages more assists than Magic in 91 finals and scores 30ppg

Michael, Clyde is a better shooter than you
He scores 35 in 1st half and hits 6 3s, a record

Michael, Charles is the MVP and Phoenix is the 1 seed
He averages 41ppg for the finals and wins the title (NBA record)

Michael has lost a step he's not the same after the baseball retirement
They go 72-10, wins scoring title, wins the title

Michael, Karl is the MVP now
Jordan broke Utah's heart twice

Point being, there can be all kinds of stat arguments and metrics to be debated about this teammate and that field goal % but....

Put any of these players on the other side of him head up and tell him what you're saying now be it about Kobe or Steph or Bron and he would thrive on proving to you the difference in him and them.

Amen brother

I think that may have just been the best post Ive ever read on this forum

Tell it like it is :)!

[Norcalcardz]

Every time someone puts a good little stretch together Jordan gets brought up and it makes my head hurt. Wake me up when someone puts together an 11 year run like Jordan. Yes he only played 11 full seasons with Chicago.

30.1ppg (NBA record)
33.4 playoff ppg (NBA record)
Defensive player of the year 88
10x scoring champion
10x 1st team all NBA
9x 1st team NBA defense
6-0 NBA finals
6x finals MVP

Consider this.

Michael you're a scorer you don't play d.
He wins defensive player of the year and becomes one of the best 3 or 4 defenders ever

Michael you just score you can't win
He wins 6 titles and 10 scoring champions.

Michael, Magic makes everyone better you just score
He averages more assists than Magic in 91 finals and scores 30ppg

Michael, Clyde is a better shooter than you
He scores 35 in 1st half and hits 6 3s, a record

Michael, Charles is the MVP and Phoenix is the 1 seed
He averages 41ppg for the finals and wins the title (NBA record)

Michael has lost a step he's not the same after the baseball retirement
They go 72-10, wins scoring title, wins the title

Michael, Karl is the MVP now
Jordan broke Utah's heart twice

Point being, there can be all kinds of stat arguments and metrics to be debated about this teammate and that field goal % but....

Put any of these players on the other side of him head up and tell him what you're saying now be it about Kobe or Steph or Bron and he would thrive on proving to you the difference in him and them.

One of my favorite posts on BO! very well said...

[Norcalcardz]

Lets use PER as a measure of player success during a season. Steph's 14-15 PER was 27.98, good for 60th best of all time. Jordan and LeBron have 14 combined seasons with a higher PER.

Steph is NOT an all around player, he's a shooter and that's about it. I will not deny his shooting greatness but he is nothing more than a great PG who can shoot the lights out.

LeBron can play 1-5 on the court and has way better vision and basketball IQ than Curry will ever have. Jordan had the will to win and a hunger that Curry will never have, see: flu game.

Vinsanity was exactly right, Curry's last season wasn't that great from a historical perspective everybody just thinks that because he's super over hyped



I'll put $100 on that right now

What are you talking about?!? Steph has the whole package offensively (scoring, passing, handling)! His defense overall is not the best but by no means bad, he was 2nd in the league at steals last year and so far this year. We cannot argue about LeBron playing positions 1-5 cause he is 6'8 and 249 pounds while Steph is only 6'3 and 185 pounds.

[jcardstore]

What are you talking about?!? Steph has the whole package offensively (scoring, passing, handling)! His defense overall is not the best but by no means bad, he was 2nd in the league at steals last year and so far this year. We cannot argue about LeBron playing positions 1-5 cause he is 6'8 and 249 pounds while Steph is only 6'3 and 185 pounds.

I'll give it to you, Curry is the best player in the NBA 9 games through the season. WOW that's amazing 9 games in, talk about knee-jerk emotional response.

Please enlighten me, how was Curry when he didn't have a great team around him, go on, I'm waiting *crickets chirping*. Tell me, how many rings does Curry have? How many finals appearances? How many MVPs? How many Finals MVPs?

Plus, just take a look at the teams GS has played so far, cake walk. They've played 2 playoff teams out of 10 games. The games Curry has put up 40+ have been against awful defensive teams

[Norcalcardz]

I'll give it to you, Curry is the best player in the NBA 9 games through the season. WOW that's amazing 9 games in, talk about knee-jerk emotional response.

Please enlighten me, how was Curry when he didn't have a great team around him, go on, I'm waiting *crickets chirping*. Tell me, how many rings does Curry have? How many finals appearances? How many MVPs? How many Finals MVPs?

Plus, just take a look at the teams GS has played so far, cake walk. They've played 2 playoff teams out of 10 games. The games Curry has put up 40+ have been against awful defensive teams

Obviously you haven't been watching this season. Golden State has beat the Clippers, Pelicans twice, Grizzlies twice, and Houston. Those were all playoff teams, and they were all healthy! The Warriors are so great, they make it look like a cake walk. And to answer your questions, Curry is 1/1 in the Finals with 1 MVP so far in his 7th year in the league.

[jcardstore]

Obviously you haven't been watching this season. Golden State has beat the Clippers, Pelicans twice, Grizzlies twice, and Houston. Those were all playoff teams, and they were all healthy! The Warriors are so great, they make it look like a cake walk. And to answer your questions, Curry is 1/1 in the Finals with 1 MVP so far in his 7th year in the league.

Playoff teams?! Get real, bro. Pelicans have no talent aside from Davis and the Griz are awful this year. What they did last year doesn't matter. Plus they played the nuggets, kings, and wolves twice.

The warriors have played 2 legitimate playoff teams this year. I can't wait to see your beloved team get crushed into submission once they play the cavs on Christmas. Not to mention once Dec/Jan comes around and you play some real teams like the Spurs and Thunder.

[bigcwd2000]

Every time someone puts a good little stretch together Jordan gets brought up and it makes my head hurt. Wake me up when someone puts together an 11 year run like Jordan. Yes he only played 11 full seasons with Chicago.

30.1ppg (NBA record)
33.4 playoff ppg (NBA record)
Defensive player of the year 88
10x scoring champion
10x 1st team all NBA
9x 1st team NBA defense
6-0 NBA finals
6x finals MVP

Consider this.

Michael you're a scorer you don't play d.
He wins defensive player of the year and becomes one of the best 3 or 4 defenders ever

Michael you just score you can't win
He wins 6 titles and 10 scoring champions.

Michael, Magic makes everyone better you just score
He averages more assists than Magic in 91 finals and scores 30ppg

Michael, Clyde is a better shooter than you
He scores 35 in 1st half and hits 6 3s, a record

Michael, Charles is the MVP and Phoenix is the 1 seed
He averages 41ppg for the finals and wins the title (NBA record)

Michael has lost a step he's not the same after the baseball retirement
They go 72-10, wins scoring title, wins the title

Michael, Karl is the MVP now
Jordan broke Utah's heart twice

Point being, there can be all kinds of stat arguments and metrics to be debated about this teammate and that field goal % but....

Put any of these players on the other side of him head up and tell him what you're saying now be it about Kobe or Steph or Bron and he would thrive on proving to you the difference in him and them.

I love this post. :)!

[ragingbull]

How many Finals MVPs

ummm. none.. lol. iguodala, 1..

where was steph curry when he was battling the depleted cavs? yeah, he is in the same sentence with jordan. pfft.

[rhigh2390]

Playoff teams?! Get real, bro. Pelicans have no talent aside from Davis and the Griz are awful this year. What they did last year doesn't matter. Plus they played the nuggets, kings, and wolves twice.

The warriors have played 2 legitimate playoff teams this year. I can't wait to see your beloved team get crushed into submission once they play the cavs on Christmas. Not to mention once Dec/Jan comes around and you play some real teams like the Spurs and Thunder.

HAHA just found this funny considering the Cavs have only played one playoff contender all year and lost (Bulls). They have played "Horrible Griz", the 76ers twice, Knicks twice (counting tonight), Jazz, Pacers, and Heat. How do you get on the Warriors for their schedule when that's who the Cavs have played this year?? haha

[jcardstore]

HAHA just found this funny considering the Cavs have only played one playoff contender all year and lost (Bulls). They have played "Horrible Griz", the 76ers twice, Knicks twice (counting tonight), Jazz, Pacers, and Heat. How do you get on the Warriors for their schedule when that's who the Cavs have played this year?? haha

Hmm, oh I don't know, maybe because we were talking about the Warriors and not the Cavs? Man, you people really need to learn to read before making stupid comments... Nobody ever said the Cavs didn't have an easy schedule, they HAVE had an easy schedule, but keep in mind they're playing without 2 starters and GS is fully healthy.

Come Christmas time Kyrie will probably be back, they're going to make golden boy steph and the warriors look silly.

[dasiegel]

Think about how good Jordan was that anytime someone becomes a true superstar his name comes up, lol. It's actually absurd.

[rhigh2390]

Hmm, oh I don't know, maybe because we were talking about the Warriors and not the Cavs? Man, you people really need to learn to read before making stupid comments... Nobody ever said the Cavs didn't have an easy schedule, they HAVE had an easy schedule, but keep in mind they're playing without 2 starters and GS is fully healthy.

Come Christmas time Kyrie will probably be back, they're going to make golden boy steph and the warriors look silly.

You were actually the one that brought the Cavs up there smart guy. You need to calm down lol

[jcardstore]

You were actually the one that brought the Cavs up there smart guy. You need to calm down lol

Man, you really are dense lmao. The only time I brought up the Cavs was the reference the Cavs GS matchup on Christmas. Please, enlighten me on what that has to do with the Cavs current record or how they have performed up to this point in the season?

[rhigh2390]

Man, you really are dense lmao. The only time I brought up the Cavs was the reference the Cavs GS matchup on Christmas. Please, enlighten me on what that has to do with the Cavs current record or how they have performed up to this point in the season?

I just don't know what the Cavs have shown you that makes you think that they are going to pound a team that is undefeated and has played tougher teams than them...

[jcardstore]

I just don't know what the Cavs have shown you that makes you think that they are going to pound a team that is undefeated and has played tougher teams than them...

Not related to your point above just an FYI regarding overall ease of schedule so far.

Combined record of Cavs opponents (27-41)

Combined record of Warriors opponents (32-52)

What have the Cavs shown, hmm lets see, Top 10 Def efficiency, top 3 offensive efficiency, Top 5 true shooting %, Top 5 rebounding and assist ratios.

All without 2 starters.

[rhigh2390]

Not related to your point above just an FYI regarding overall ease of schedule so far.

Combined record of Cavs opponents (27-41)

Combined record of Warriors opponents (32-52)

What have the Cavs shown, hmm lets see, Top 10 Def efficiency, top 3 offensive efficiency, Top 5 true shooting %, Top 5 rebounding and assist ratios.

All without 2 starters.

Not saying those stats aren't impressive, but I do think that has something to do with who they play. Tough to take combined records of opponents because the east is horrible and thats who the Cavs have played.

No need to continue to argue with you when it's easy to tell you're pretty biased. We will just have to see at Christmas if the Cavs crush the Warriors by 20-25. If they do, I know you'll be jumping up and down somewhere :)

[jcardstore]

Not saying those stats aren't impressive, but I do think that has something to do with who they play. Tough to take combined records of opponents because the east is horrible and thats who the Cavs have played.

No need to continue to argue with you when it's easy to tell you're pretty biased. We will just have to see at Christmas if the Cavs crush the Warriors by 20-25. If they do, I know you'll be jumping up and down somewhere :)

Actually, no need to argue because you understand the Warriors are WAY over hyped and Curry doesn't deserve the ridiculous comparisons to LeBron and Jordan.

[rhigh2390]

Actually, no need to argue because you understand the Warriors are WAY over hyped and Curry doesn't deserve the ridiculous comparisons to LeBron and Jordan.

I actually never said or indicated that Curry was comparable to either of them. I think the Warriors team is playing the best in the NBA right now. Maybe you should take your own advise and read before you make stupid comments :) Be watching at Christmas for your prophesied beatdown :)

[jcardstore]

I actually never said or indicated that Curry was comparable to either of them. I think the Warriors team is playing the best in the NBA right now. Maybe you should take your own advise and read before you make stupid comments :) Be watching at Christmas for your prophesied beatdown :)

You didn't but that's what this entire thread has been about and my comment was referencing the thread as a whole. It seems you're another one of those people who don't seem to grasp context very well.

[Norcalcardz]

Not related to your point above just an FYI regarding overall ease of schedule so far.

Combined record of Cavs opponents (27-41)

Combined record of Warriors opponents (32-52)

What have the Cavs shown, hmm lets see, Top 10 Def efficiency, top 3 offensive efficiency, Top 5 true shooting %, Top 5 rebounding and assist ratios.

All without 2 starters.

The Cavs are in the weak East, of course their opponents record will be worse.

[jcardstore]

The Cavs are in the weak East, of course their opponents record will be worse.

Can you math or no? The Warriors opponents have a lower winning percentage than the Cavs.

This comment made me lol

[bdoody42]

Lebron fans seem to be very defensive about this post. Curry has been the best player this s season and the warriors have looked good even without Bogut for a stretch.

[Norcalcardz]

Can you math or no? The Warriors opponents have a lower winning percentage than the Cavs.

This comment made me lol

"Can you math or no?" This comment made me LOL. Can you spell or not? And how can the Warriors have a lower winning percentage when they are 10-0 and the Cavs are 7-1? Makes no sense...

[duron]

There is only one of everyone, unless you clone.

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