Star 101 XRC Gaining Ground

[Starman101]

Just wondering if anyone has noticed an uptick on the prices of these as of late

It appears there were 2 BGS 8.5s that just sold on Ebay for 12k each

I see a BGS 8 is also now listed for 8k with the only PSA 8 in existence with a 25K BIN

And to think only 2 months ago there were several posters who claimed a BGS 8.5 was not worth the 9k BIN at that time :flex:

I remember only 2 years ago 9s were sitting on Ebay for $7500 - $9000 BINs

Anyone know what a 9 may fetch for these days?

Nice seeing the GOAT's GOAT finally getting the props it deserves

And no, my name ain't nameanking for the millionth time!

Starman

[hazenuts]

BGS graded XRC for HOF rookies in general has gone up quite a bit ... good for them, those are some of the best rookies around

[Orangejello727]

same guys recycling the cards back and forth to create a market for it.

What if I sold a certain card between 3 accounts for crazy record prices then came on here and started a thread talking about how prices have been going through the roof? Would it legitimize the increase?

[Starman101]

same guys recycling the cards back and forth to create a market for it.

What if I sold a certain card between 3 accounts for crazy record prices then came on here and started a thread talking about how prices have been going through the roof? Would it legitimize the increase?

I own 2 Star Rookies and haven't recycled either of them ;)

[pingbling23]

If I can get 8k for my Bgs 8 it would be tempting. Even if it's the tops in my pc.

[Jay9Suited]

8's are steals right now IMO. They sell 1/2 as much as 8.5's

[Bostonsports1]

Ya looks like the market price on a 8.5 is 10-12k now, which is crazy.

I gotta think a 9 would get to the 15-20k range

[1971bucks]

Which ones? The ones printed in 1984 or the ones reprinted in the '90's? Oh yeah, no one can tell the difference.

[Bostonsports1]

Which ones? The ones printed in 1984 or the ones reprinted in the '90's? Oh yeah, no one can tell the difference.

Incorrect

[1971bucks]

Incorrect

Tell that to BGS.

[Bostonsports1]

Tell that to BGS.

Care to elaborate?

[sniperx]

So everyone in this thread must be the select few to actually own one of these bad boys. Except orangejello and 1971bucks lol

[1971bucks]

Care to elaborate?

I think we all know the backstory here. I'm not going to let a past STAR dealer be the primary expert and convince me they never ran those original presses again. There's a reason PSA and SGC don't grade these. And I'm sure BGS, out of all the grading companies, has all the graders who can spot fakes (sarcasm). We can all spot the terrible fakes ourselves, its not that hard. I don't own any '86 Fleer or '84 STAR so I don't care either way. Where there's smoke there's fire, my friends.

[Bostonsports1]

I think we all know the backstory here. I'm not going to let a past STAR dealer be the primary expert and convince me they never ran those original presses again. There's a reason PSA and SGC don't grade these. And I'm sure BGS, out of all the grading companies, has all the graders who can spot fakes (sarcasm). We can all spot the terrible fakes ourselves, its not that hard. I don't own any '86 Fleer or '84 STAR so I don't care either way. Where there's smoke there's fire, my friends.

So if we can all spot the fakes ourselves, why can't Beckett spot them and grade them? I understand your skepticism, but don't understand this part of your comment.

[GC1980]

I think we all know the backstory here. I'm not going to let a past STAR dealer be the primary expert and convince me they never ran those original presses again. There's a reason PSA and SGC don't grade these. And I'm sure BGS, out of all the grading companies, has all the graders who can spot fakes (sarcasm). We can all spot the terrible fakes ourselves, its not that hard. I don't own any '86 Fleer or '84 STAR so I don't care either way. Where there's smoke there's fire, my friends.

You are grossly misinformed.

You won't buy the backstory from a former seller but you believe the backstory they were reprinted which has zero evidence?

I own both and my star is a lowly 6.5. I personally don't care what the prices are. it could skyrocket or plummet and it doesn't change the simple fact that It's a significant card in this hobby and something any Jordan fan should own.

While I'm a bit sceptical myself on what's really happening with the price of this card, there is no reason to doubt its significance. IMO, the value seems about right where it should be. If collectors are willing to spend 10k on a logoman or some Andrew Wiggins card a Star MJ BGS 8.5 fro 12k seems like a steal to me.

[BestRCs]

I swear every star threads ends up like this.

I almost cringe every time I see a star thread.

There is the group that swears nothing was reprinted because one man said so and the other group that swears there are a bunch of fakes.

Fake or not.... Star=too much drama.

[Bostonsports1]

I swear every star threads ends up like this.

I almost cringe every time I see a star thread.

There is the group that swears nothing was reprinted because one man said so and the other group that swears there are a bunch of fakes.

Fake or not.... Star=too much drama.

There is definitely a bunch of reprints, I see they on ebay listed every day. I just don't think any of them can pass for the real thing.

[GC1980]

I swear every star threads ends up like this.

I almost cringe every time I see a star thread.

There is the group that swears nothing was reprinted because one man said so and the other group that swears there are a bunch of fakes.

Fake or not.... Star=too much drama.

For some yes. For others that love the cards and the era they are awesome. If there was such a reprinting problem we would see a lot more of them. These are not more counterfeited than some of the 90s inserts people love or the 86 fleer cards were.

Different strokes for different folks. There is no proof either way and it's not like the cards are plentiful.

[BestRCs]

There is definitely a bunch of reprints, I see they on ebay listed every day. I just don't think any of them can pass for the real thing.

For some yes. For others that love the cards and the era they are awesome. If there was such a reprinting problem we would see a lot more of them. These are not more counterfeited than some of the 90s inserts people love or the 86 fleer cards were.

Different strokes for different folks. There is no proof either way and it's not like the cards are plentiful.

Don't get me wrong. I like star. But you can't escape the negative connotation.

[Bostonsports1]

Don't get me wrong. I like star. But you can't escape the negative connotation.

I think thats what is keeping the price down. I wondering if the tide is turning and thats why the price has been rising?

[bkf12]

Just wondering if anyone has noticed an uptick on the prices of these as of late

It appears there were 2 BGS 8.5s that just sold on Ebay for 12k each

I see a BGS 8 is also now listed for 8k with the only PSA 8 in existence with a 25K BIN

And to think only 2 months ago there were several posters who claimed a BGS 8.5 was not worth the 9k BIN at that time :flex:

I remember only 2 years ago 9s were sitting on Ebay for $7500 - $9000 BINs

Anyone know what a 9 may fetch for these days?

Nice seeing the GOAT's GOAT finally getting the props it deserves

And no, my name ain't nameanking for the millionth time!

Starman



Starclown just stop. Anyone with half a brain can see a bgs 8 just sold for $4600 on ebay last week. who cares if someone lists one for 8000? If I list my 8 for $1 million dollars is that what it is worth?
In the past few months other auction sites have had 8.5's and they sold for 6400 - 6500. If you want to buy an 8.5 from me for 12k I will gladly take your money.

[Jpayne7787]

Personally I think all the star cards are undervalued, the true XRC of guys like MJ/Hakeem/Ewing/Stockton to me are the RCs to own over the Fleer RCs. I love Star cards and hope I can own the MJ one day.

[Bostonsports1]

Starclown just stop. Anyone with half a brain can see a bgs 8 just sold for $4600 on ebay last week. who cares if someone lists one for 8000? If I list my 8 for $1 million dollars is that what it is worth?
In the past few months other auction sites have had 8.5's and they sold for 6400 - 6500. If you want to buy an 8.5 from me for 12k I will gladly take your money.

Where are you seeing the 8.5s selling for 6400-6500? Im not doubting you, just curious. I know the most recent two did sell for 12k.

[6celtics33]

These threads make me cringe too. How is it that after almost 8 years of grading that there are less than 500 total copies in the only pop report of the only company that grades the card of Jordan's 101 if there are so many "good reprints" Is there some maniacal genius sitting on hordes of them just waiting on the right time to cash in? You people's logic baffles me. The same guy bought both 8.5's for roughly $12,000 each. Those were record prices for 8.5s. Doesn't mean the next 8.5 will sell that high, maybe it will sell for more.

Stop traffic... I was offered $15,000 recently by a member on here for my 8.5 and I took about 30 seconds before I said no thanks. Call me a liar, call it recycling whatever you guys want but those sales were legit.

What sucks is everytime there is a star thread, people that have no interest, no education, no information on the truth get on here and spout out nonsense. The tide is turning as evidenced by the prices. Fear will not keep these things down forever. Jordan is leading the way. The other rookies will follow. The era is too strong. The cards are too rare.

[6celtics33]

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[Jpayne7787]

Two questions, how much do you guys think is a fair price for a 6.5 with some banged up corners & I thought only BGS graded these MJ XRC? Was I misinformed or am I missing something here? http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/Jpayne7787/FE451496-D086-4D35-8044-B7E5DAE0D303_zpszxswz2ka.png (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jpayne7787/media/FE451496-D086-4D35-8044-B7E5DAE0D303_zpszxswz2ka.png.html)

[6celtics33]

Steve Taft trained beckett and has no vested interest in the reprinting controversy. He helped the FBI spot what was going on and stop the owner of Star, Robert Levin from doing what he was doing. Of course, the Jordan 101 was never the issue of reprints by the company but I guess that doesn't matter. Don't let facts interrupt a good story on blowout right.

[6celtics33]

PSA graded early on and bowed out because they made some mistakes with the 85-86 type 2 cards. Then instead of wanting to learn something they just said "were done". That 101 is legit. The Jordan 101 wasn't the issue of the type 2s or Levin's 90s shop at home money grab.

[Bostonsports1]

Thats the only 101 graded by PSA, pretty cool if you ask me

[6celtics33]

What I wish and what I would almost give my left nut for is for all the haters to stop clicking on the threads just to comment that they don't like the threads. When I see a thread I don't like I move on to the ones I do like. If that's the move here though I'm going to start trolling every Wiggins thread and every new Panini badonkadonk $20,000 a box product, with freaking Leonardo Da Vinci game used art 1/1's and scream at everybody who likes the stuff how dumb I think they are.

TO EACH THEIR OWN PEOPLE! TRY THAT!

[Jpayne7787]

Thats the only 101 graded by PSA, pretty cool if you ask me

Ah makes sense no wonder the price tag! That's a center piece to any collection that's for sure. What do you guys think is a reasonable price for the 6.5 on eBay right now?

[Bostonsports1]

Ah makes sense no wonder the price tag! That's a center piece to any collection that's for sure. What do you guys think is a reasonable price for the 6.5 on eBay right now?

Depends on the subs, but maybe 2k-2.5k?

[pingbling23]

These threads make me cringe too. How is it that after almost 8 years of grading that there are less than 500 total copies in the only pop report of the only company that grades the card of Jordan's 101 if there are so many "good reprints" Is there some maniacal genius sitting on hordes of them just waiting on the right time to cash in? You people's logic baffles me. The same guy bought both 8.5's for roughly $12,000 each. Those were record prices for 8.5s. Doesn't mean the next 8.5 will sell that high, maybe it will sell for more.

Stop traffic... I was offered $15,000 recently by a member on here for my 8.5 and I took about 30 seconds before I said no thanks. Call me a liar, call it recycling whatever you guys want but those sales were legit.

What sucks is everytime there is a star thread, people that have no interest, no education, no information on the truth get on here and spout out nonsense. The tide is turning as evidenced by the prices. Fear will not keep these things down forever. Jordan is leading the way. The other rookies will follow. The era is too strong. The cards are too rare.

Have the member admit to this. Hope it's a well known one. 15k for an 8.5, no way.

[Bostonsports1]

Have the member admit to this. Hope it's a well known one. 15k for an 8.5, no way.

Tell him to PM me if real lol

[6celtics33]

Have the member admit to this. Hope it's a well known one. 15k for an 8.5, no way.

Lol... this guy

I own the best 8.5 to ever exist on the planet. 2 already sold for $12,000. Why no way on $15,000??

Is that too antagonistic for you? Have I not "been around" long enough to have credibility here?

Keep peddling your commons lots buddy. Don't talk to me about what is and isn't possible with that card. Basically calling me a liar. You got some nerve on you pingbling.

[6celtics33]

I'd be happy to have houdini or iluvfish scroll through my inbox and confirm it if they would do that. But I'm not outing another member.

[Bostonsports1]

Lol... this guy

I own the best 8.5 to ever exist on the planet. 2 already sold for $12,000. Why no way on $15,000??

Is that too antagonistic for you? Have I not "been around" long enough to have credibility here?

Keep peddling your commons lots buddy. Don't talk to me about what is and isn't possible with that card. Basically calling me a liar. You got some nerve on you pingbling.

What subs you got?

[6celtics33]

8 9.5 9.5 10 with minimal to no tilt at all. I've shown it before on here.

[pingbling23]

Lol... this guy

I own the best 8.5 to ever exist on the planet. 2 already sold for $12,000. Why no way on $15,000??

Is that too antagonistic for you? Have I not "been around" long enough to have credibility here?

Keep peddling your commons lots buddy. Don't talk to me about what is and isn't possible with that card. Basically calling me a liar. You got some nerve on you pingbling.

You're a joke. I'm quite fine with my collection, thanks though. Yes I said you're a liar. Have the credible member come forward and I'll apologize. Where are the 12k sales?

[pingbling23]

FYI, I bought my Bgs 8 a couple of years ago for $1500, I would love it to be worth 10k. But I'm going to call bs when I see it.

[6celtics33]

12k sales on ebay, 2 of them but I'm sure you'll say those are lies too. I'm not bothering the member to out his business. Let's have houdini look at my inbox and confirm. Why can't we do that?

[6celtics33]

FYI, I bought my Bgs 8 a couple of years ago for $1500, I would love it to be worth 10k. But I'm going to call bs when I see it.

It's not worth 10k but it's worth a lot more than $1500. Instead of being happy about that, you want to argue over it. That's odd but yeah I'm the joke.

[sniperx]

Thanks starman aka nameanking for starting this TROLL thread. See the drama you created? [emoji85]

[Bostonsports1]

I actually chatted to one of the sellers on the one that sold for 12k even, it's legit.

[pingbling23]

It's not worth 10k but it's worth a lot more than $1500. Instead of being happy about that, you want to argue over it. That's odd but yeah I'm the joke.

It's around 4-4500 right now, I follow the market. That's how I know the 8.5 isn't a 15k card. No need to get your panties in a bunch and put down my collection that you probably haven't seen. We need more transparency in this hobby, I'm sure the member won't mind to come forward if you ask them.

[BestRCs]

Care to elaborate?

I recall a thread on here noting that Beckett graded a Ewing XRC and it was on sale on pwcc and a collector noticed it was fake and pwcc ended up pulling it from auction after it was reported. beckett apparently graded a fake.

[6celtics33]

It's just weird. Most cards you know, they depreciate weeks after release and continue on a downward spiral for years. Now Curry, and some random examples are the exception to the rule but now we have Jordan stuff, Jordan of all people, his rookie card, with a print run of 3000-4000 sets, essentially rarer than the topps tiffany baseball rookies but only with the added rarity of the fact that there is no equivalent to the regular topps card available either of the most popular athlete of all time. His extremely rare rookie card is going up in value and people are like WHATTT? NO way! I smell something fishy! It can't be.

Is that not weird? The reaction to this? The fleer is going up and it's produced at an exponential rate of the star. Fleer stickers in 9.5 have been going for almost $4,000 lately and they are basically a rookie insert card which actually amounts to a 3rd year insert card. Everyone is ok with those prices.

[Bostonsports1]

I recall a thread on here noting that Beckett graded a Ewing XRC and it was on sale on pwcc and a collector noticed it was fake and pwcc ended up pulling it from auction after it was reported. beckett apparently graded a fake.

Interesting, I don't know enough about the Ewings to comment further, but sucks either way. Like I said before, I think this keeps prices lower.

[6celtics33]

I recall a thread on here noting that Beckett graded a Ewing XRC and it was on sale on pwcc and a collector noticed it was fake and pwcc ended up pulling it from auction after it was reported. beckett apparently graded a fake.

That was a type 2 from the 85-86 set, a completely different issue, they did make that mistake, I was one of the people that noticed it, and Brent being the upstanding person that he is believed me and a few others and took it down. If I showed you an original Ewing and a type 2 side by side you would immediately notice the difference. I'm sure it was a rare honest mistake. Just like when they damaged the guy's reholder who was on here yesterday and just like when they mislabel something, and just like when the cases come back already chipped, or people's mail gets stolen with cards in it. Stuff happens. It's crazy I agree. But if it was the norm, we'd all stop dealing with this stuff.

[6celtics33]

It's around 4-4500 right now, I follow the market. That's how I know the 8.5 isn't a 15k card. No need to get your panties in a bunch and put down my collection that you probably haven't seen. We need more transparency in this hobby, I'm sure the member won't mind to come forward if you ask them.

What's transparency about what is going on if when I offer it you just call me a liar?? And don't tell me not to get my panties in a bunch. I have NEVER shilled, wronged, not sent an item, screwed anybody over on paypal, etc. in my life. Reputation is a big deal in this hobby. I won't have you putting down my word when you have no reason to doubt it.

[pingbling23]

What's transparency about what is going on if when I offer it you just call me a liar?? And don't tell me not to get my panties in a bunch. I have NEVER shilled, wronged, not sent an item, screwed anybody over on paypal, etc. in my life. Reputation is a big deal in this hobby. I won't have you putting down my word when you have no reason to doubt it.

You're right, that's the way it should be but you know this hobby. We've seen it to many times, I got offered this much yada yada yada. I just asked for proof. The way you responded makes it seem like you're lying FYI. I hope youre not though, it means more value for mine.

[lindeman79]

I hate Star 101 Fan Boys

[pingbling23]

I hate Star 101 Fan Boys

I do too, and I am one lol.

[6celtics33]

i sent iluvfish2 a message. We'll see what happens.

We love you lindeman79

[Jay9Suited]

8 9.5 9.5 10 with minimal to no tilt at all. I've shown it before on here.

She sounds purrrrty! :)!

[6celtics33]

You're right, that's the way it should be but you know this hobby. We've seen it to many times, I got offered this much yada yada yada. I just asked for proof. The way you responded makes it seem like you're lying FYI. I hope youre not though, it means more value for mine.

The way I responded is exactly what I said it was, trying to hold up the anonymity of a high end negotiation. You are choosing to believe I'm lying. I sent iluvfish2 a message and asked him to look. Hopefully he will and confirm. If not, I'll ask houdini. guilty until proven innocent. Good system around here. You'd think I was Amy from Australia with 12 id's.

[pingbling23]

The way I responded is exactly what I said it was, trying to hold up the anonymity of a high end negotiation. You are choosing to believe I'm lying. I sent iluvfish2 a message and asked him to look. Hopefully he will and confirm. If not, I'll ask houdini. guilty until proven innocent. Good system around here. You'd think I was Amy from Australia with 12 id's.

Still yet, a message from a unknown source isn't going to help anyone. I once had someone offer me a large sum on a Kobe patch auto /5 I own, it wasn't legit. Just someone messing around. Don't try to be a victim with the guilty until proven innocent lol. I would expect to get called out if I said something that is unlikely.

[6celtics33]

Except you ignore 2 $12000 sales on ebay that I know are real and mine is better. I didn't even have it for sale. The guy saw it in a previous thread and started asking me to sell it. It's not unlikely. I told him I didn't want to sell it. He said how much, I told him $20,000. He said he would bring me $15,000 in person. I said no thanks. Was there $15,000 George Washington's on a table in front of me? No. Does he have feedback that is all positive and every one of them relates to high end deals? Yes he does.

[scqg]

If there are lots of reprint, then why does bgs still maintain low pop? Compared to 90s jordan bmoc which all of a sudden appeared in bunch... I think the difference of real and reprint have been discussed many times in different threads. It's not as if the difference cant be spotted by the naked eye. At the end of the day, it's either you believe or not. If you don't, then don't get one, it's not affordable anyway. Leave it to hardcore collectors who believe and are willing to spend for it. My jordan PC isnt complete without this so I had to get one, sadly at a high price already.

[6celtics33]

It is what it is. I honestly don't know why I care if you believe me other than the fact I'm being called a liar and I take my reputation very seriously.

[6celtics33]

If there are lots of reprint, then why does bgs still maintain low pop? Compared to 90s jordan bmoc which all of a sudden appeared in bunch... I think the difference of real and reprint have been discussed many times in different threads. It's not as if the difference cant be spotted by the naked eye. At the end of the day, it's either you believe or not. If you don't, then don't get one, it's not affordable anyway. Leave it to hardcore collectors who believe and are willing to spend for it. My jordan PC isnt complete without this so I had to get one, sadly at a high price already.

Well said and I promise you... Whatever you paid for it, it'll be more in the future so enjoy

[pingbling23]

Except you ignore 2 $12000 sales on ebay that I know are real and mine is better. I didn't even have it for sale. The guy saw it in a previous thread and started asking me to sell it. It's not unlikely. I told him I didn't want to sell it. He said how much, I told him $20,000. He said he would bring me $15,000 in person. I said no thanks. Was there $15,000 George Washington's on a table in front of me? No. Does he have feedback that is all positive and every one of them relates to high end deals? Yes he does.

i dont see any on ebay. that sounds like the same story of my kobe patch auto. they werent credible though. whats the big deal, why wouldnt they want to come forward and say they were willing to pay what a card is worth? i know my first post came off bad, but i wasnt trying to insult you. im sorry it came across that way.

[Bostonsports1]

Last 2 sales,

Michael Jordan 1984 85 Star XRC Card 101 BGS 8 5 TRC Best 8 5 9 Cross | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1984-85-Star-xrc-card-101-BGS-8-5-TRC-BEST-8-5-9-CROSS-/172069545432?hash=item281024e5d8:g:8igAAOSwFqJWoQce)

1984 85 Star 101 Michael Jordan XRC BGS 8 5 8 9 9 5 9 5 "True Rookie Card" TRC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Star-101-Michael-Jordan-XRC-BGS-8-5-8-9-9-5-9-5-True-Rookie-Card-TRC-/401056313924?hash=item5d60d1b244:g:QnIAAOSwxN5WZ0Pw)

[scqg]

i dont see any on ebay. that sounds like the same story of my kobe patch auto. they werent credible though. whats the big deal, why wouldnt they want to come forward and say they were willing to pay what a card is worth? i know my first post came off bad, but i wasnt trying to insult you. im sorry it came across that way.

Go to sold listing and you can find the two. If it's a real transaction, then good for my first ever xrc, an 8.5.

[scqg]

Well said and I promise you... Whatever you paid for it, it'll be more in the future so enjoy

Haha. I hope so coz i am one of those crazier guys who paid a lot. :doh: holding on to my three star xrc.

[pingbling23]

Last 2 sales,

Michael Jordan 1984 85 Star XRC Card 101 BGS 8 5 TRC Best 8 5 9 Cross | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1984-85-Star-xrc-card-101-BGS-8-5-TRC-BEST-8-5-9-CROSS-/172069545432?hash=item281024e5d8:g:8igAAOSwFqJWoQce)

1984 85 Star 101 Michael Jordan XRC BGS 8 5 8 9 9 5 9 5 "True Rookie Card" TRC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Star-101-Michael-Jordan-XRC-BGS-8-5-8-9-9-5-9-5-True-Rookie-Card-TRC-/401056313924?hash=item5d60d1b244:g:QnIAAOSwxN5WZ0Pw)
dang, i was hoping they would be auctions and not bin's. i thought your name looked familiar, you were the one backing nameking and his buddy in that one star thread before a suspension was handed out to him.

[Bostonsports1]

dang, i was hoping they would be auctions and not bin's. i thought your name looked familiar, you were the one backing nameking and his buddy in that one star thread before a suspension was handed out to him.

Wasn't "backing" him, was just telling everyone they were not the same person. Only knew this because I believe I managed to sell something(star cards) to each of them. He was annoying, but not a scammer.

[6celtics33]

The thing about it guys is it takes patience. You can't just throw your 8.5 up on auction and when it sells for $7,200 say see I told you so and think that is the real price. High end stuff is about finding the right buyer for the card. Via watch count I can see the same guy bought both the 8.5s on eBay. Maybe the next ones don't sell that high. Maybe they go higher. I don't know. What I do know is the prices are legit sales. If you don't like star then don't buy it, it'll survive.

[pingbling23]

Wasn't "backing" him, was just telling everyone they were not the same person. Only knew this because I believe I managed to sell something(star cards) to each of them. He was annoying, but not a scammer.

mods felt like they were up to something, thats why he was suspended. it just looked odd that you were taking up for them and they both had feedback with you. it was probably weird coincidence but im sure you can admit it looked off.

[6celtics33]

I know nameanking got on everyone's nerves but the other account wasn't him. He's actually a friend of mine and lives in a different state than nameanking.

[Starman101]

Thanks starman aka nameanking for starting this TROLL thread. See the drama you created? [emoji85]

To sniperx and b12 jokerman,

If your unable to contribute to the thread or not interested in discussing the topic being discussed then simply move on to another topic or maybe even quit the forum alltogether

I'm simply tired of the immaturity whenever the Star 101 topic is discussed

Make believe its a Wagner RC, Mantle RC, Gretzky RC, or any other special card topic that maybe other collectors other than yourselves find interest in

Stop acting like children and grow up! :)!

Cheers!

[pingbling23]

The thing about it guys is it takes patience. You can't just throw your 8.5 up on auction and when it sells for $7,200 say see I told you so and think that is the real price. High end stuff is about finding the right buyer for the card. Via watch count I can see the same guy bought both the 8.5s on eBay. Maybe the next ones don't sell that high. Maybe they go higher. I don't know. What I do know is the prices are legit sales. If you don't like star then don't buy it, it'll survive.

im just glad i bought when i did. it was a card i always wanted as a kid, i never thought i would own one. it was such a nice feeling having it in hand.

[Bostonsports1]

mods felt like they were up to something, thats why he was suspended. it just looked odd that you were taking up for them and they both had feedback with you. it was probably weird coincidence but im sure you can admit it looked off.

Sure looks odd, but I have been a member here for a while and have plenty of feedback. They both happen to like star cards so bought when I was selling. When I was the only person who could prove they were 2 different people, I spoke up. I think namen got suspended because he was just starting dumb threads and taking trash to mods, they had enough. He still has a ebay account. I don't still don't think hes a scammer, and he never did anything to make people assume he was. Just really, really annoying lol

[pingbling23]

Sure looks odd, but I have been a member here for a while and have plenty of feedback. They both happen to like star cards so bought when I was selling. When I was the only person who could prove they were 2 different people, I spoke up. I think namen got suspended because he was just starting dumb threads and taking trash to mods, they had enough. He still has a ebay account. I don't still don't think hes a scammer, and he never did anything to make people assume he was. Just really, really annoying lol

what youre saying is true, but a mod said in the thread or pm that they thought they were up to something.

[Bostonsports1]

what youre saying is true, but a mod said in the thread or pm that they thought they were up to something.

Could be. Oh well, at least he had one good transaction on here lol

[6celtics33]

im just glad i bought when i did. it was a card i always wanted as a kid, i never thought i would own one. it was such a nice feeling having it in hand.

There were some deals to be had early on in BGS' star tenure. I bought in heavily. It's a great card. I remember looking at them in the Beckett every month and thinking they were a myth. I never even saw one random star card until eBay.

[pingbling23]

There were some deals to be had early on in BGS' star tenure. I bought in heavily. It's a great card. I remember looking at them in the Beckett every month and thinking they were a myth. I never even saw one random star card until eBay.

i kick myself, my lcs had a sealed team bag for $500. that was in the mid 90's. if mom would have just splurged a little. she use to give me blank checks when she went to the grocery store so i could buy a box. most were 30-60, she didnt like it to much when i got a box of finest for around a 100 lol.

[scqg]

i kick myself, my lcs had a sealed team bag for $500. that was in the mid 90's. if mom would have just splurged a little. she use to give me blank checks when she went to the grocery store so i could buy a box. most were 30-60, she didnt like it to much when i got a box of finest for around a 100 lol.

Your consolation is your bgs 8 for $1500 lol. Thats a steal price! Wish i bought earlier.

[Jpayne7787]

You guys are lowering my self esteem for not owning a copy :(

[Jpayne7787]

Anyways what do you guys think of all the non Jordan XRCs? You can get a bgs 8.5-9 of most for $2-300 ish maybe even cheaper at times. Should I just be buying every copy I see on eBay and hope they follow a similar rise in value like the MJ?

[pingbling23]

Anyways what do you guys think of all the non Jordan XRCs? You can get a bgs 8.5-9 of most for $2-300 ish maybe even cheaper at times. Should I just be buying every copy I see on eBay and hope they follow a similar rise in value like the MJ?

I would imagine they will only go up but putting thousands towards cards is always a risk.

[6celtics33]

Nothing will rise like Jordan over the long term but if you like those players buying 1 or 2 of each probably won't be a losing investment. Some are tougher than others and some have more of a following than others.

I owned an Olajuwon before that was 9.5 9 9 9. It was like an anomaly or a miracle. I sold it some time ago and it is my biggest regret. The centering on that card was stupid.

[Jpayne7787]

I would imagine they will only go up but putting thousands towards cards is always a risk.

Of course it is, and not just cards also, most things you put money into comes with some risk. But if I am to put some money into to cards as a form of gambling/investing or whatever you'd like to call it, I would think MJ and vintage would be the two safest bets. And from the 80s/90s I can't think of any other cards with the combination of prestige/eye appeal and popular HOF XRC selection. Maybe I'm hyping it a bit bc these are by far my favorite cards in my collection, but IMO these are everything a true awesome iconic basketball cards from our generation should be. (Mid 80s-90s) http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/Jpayne7787/My%20top%2010%20High%20end%20PC/0CACD6A8-A2D1-483F-83AE-DEC4A1F5A7F7_zpsnb3npjoe.jpg (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jpayne7787/media/My%20top%2010%20High%20end%20PC/0CACD6A8-A2D1-483F-83AE-DEC4A1F5A7F7_zpsnb3npjoe.jpg.html)http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/Jpayne7787/My%20top%2010%20High%20end%20PC/A81553CC-46EC-485D-A6B7-BFC9CCF64F57_zpshvrlnkzz.png (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jpayne7787/media/My%20top%2010%20High%20end%20PC/A81553CC-46EC-485D-A6B7-BFC9CCF64F57_zpshvrlnkzz.png.html)http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/Jpayne7787/My%20top%2010%20High%20end%20PC/35837359-B1BA-4267-A7AE-5887FAA6704E.png_zpsdhtnkoc9.jpeg (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jpayne7787/media/My%20top%2010%20High%20end%20PC/35837359-B1BA-4267-A7AE-5887FAA6704E.png_zpsdhtnkoc9.jpeg.html)

[Sutantoj]

Used to own that PSA MJ XRC
http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff449/Sutantoj/F13882C2-88BF-4C95-AD12-ECD19F0A482A-3163-000003108A148DB0.jpg (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/Sutantoj/media/F13882C2-88BF-4C95-AD12-ECD19F0A482A-3163-000003108A148DB0.jpg.html)

[Jpayne7787]

Also I would note that I would trade my bgs 8.5 fleer MJ rc for a similar valued star 101 in a heart beat, even if it was like a 6 with dinged corners lol

[scqg]

Used to own that PSA MJ XRC
http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff449/Sutantoj/F13882C2-88BF-4C95-AD12-ECD19F0A482A-3163-000003108A148DB0.jpg (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/Sutantoj/media/F13882C2-88BF-4C95-AD12-ECD19F0A482A-3163-000003108A148DB0.jpg.html)

wow, that is now "worth" 25k lol. did you sell it long time ago or just recently?

[JasonM32]

same guys recycling the cards back and forth to create a market for it.

What if I sold a certain card between 3 accounts for crazy record prices then came on here and started a thread talking about how prices have been going through the roof? Would it legitimize the increase?


Bingo. Just a handful of people are driving the phony market boom for these cards. They are doing it for their own gain and I'm not going to play along. Knock yourselves out, become millionaires.

[AbraCalabro]

anybody want to buy a red jordan PMG...or, perhaps an MJ Gold Diecut Embossed refractor /74?






:D

[scqg]

anybody want to buy a red jordan PMG...or, perhaps an MJ Gold Diecut Embossed refractor /74?






:D

Sent you pm thanks

[NoleinJax]

There is definitely a bunch of reprints, I see they on ebay listed every day. I just don't think any of them can pass for the real thing.

Why? Because those star cards had such sophisticated technology in place that prevented counterfeiting then as well as 30+ years later? I'm not trolling. This is a legitimate question I have because I think the true original card of which only a few thousand are supposed to exist is highly significant, but with all the, to use another poster's term, drama surrounding star cards I'd be very reluctant to drop such serious money (to me anyways) on one even with BGS grading them. They have graded and slabbed many fakes so that wouldn't ease my mind either. And of course I expect anyone that owns one to do whatever they can to squash talks of fakes or ones reprinted years later using same presses. Would any owners bet their card that there are no fakes or reprints graded by BGS?

[GC1980]

Why? Because those star cards had such sophisticated technology in place that prevented counterfeiting then as well as 30+ years later? I'm not trolling. This is a legitimate question I have because I think the true original card of which only a few thousand are supposed to exist is highly significant, but with all the, to use another poster's term, drama surrounding star cards I'd be very reluctant to drop such serious money (to me anyways) on one even with BGS grading them. They have graded and slabbed many fakes so that wouldn't ease my mind either. And of course I expect anyone that owns one to do whatever they can to squash talks of fakes or ones reprinted years later using same presses. Would any owners bet their card that there are no fakes or reprints graded by BGS?


30+ years later and they are faking 90s inserts.

I don't think the fakes are any more prevelant than fakes of the 86-87 fleer. It's not like the Fleer set had much more sophisticated for printing technology.

I do agree that the "drama" surrounding the Star sets in general are keeping prices relatively low. If there wasn't so much misinformation out there and if the other grading companies jumped in and started grading them, they would be much more valuable.

The MJ stands out because it's MJ and it's a very important card. I do think the card will eventually cap out because the masses still don't have faith in it BGS or Star. It's sad but there are still a lot of key RCs I need so I'm OK with it.

[AbraCalabro]

Sent you pm thanks

Hey man, I apologize, I wasn't serious. I was actually referring to an incident from a few years back.

Enjoy:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basketball/242818-just-sold-18-250-00-a.html

If I ever get that Jordan refractor, I'll let it go for 17k, quite a bargain!!! :)!

[6celtics33]

Abra... this isn't a 90s insert with artificial scarcity stamped on it, this is Michael Jordan's true rookie card. Please don't confuse the two. And I'm sorry you guys think that the world is just full of liars and cheats and there is some secret club that involves us passing our 101's back and forth trying to document sale prices to drive it up falsely. That is not what is happening. VCP doesn't even track star cards. The fact is there are plenty of people that like and want the cards and then there are members here who are butt hurt because of something completely unrelated (90s inserts) when people were shilling Natsturner and others that think it's happening again. It's not the same thing. But noone wants to listen to reason or logic. As it's been said many times, if there were so many out there and the presses were running wide open then why isn't there more cards graded in the pop report of a set where nobody wants raw cards? I mean you have to grade them to sell them for decent money. And yet, Jordan the most popular player, has around 500 cards graded. There are more gem mint fleer rookies than there are total graded 101's. And yet, people act like star is just so plentiful and easy to find and they made so many of them over and over. It's ludicrous.

[6celtics33]

Bingo. Just a handful of people are driving the phony market boom for these cards. They are doing it for their own gain and I'm not going to play along. Knock yourselves out, become millionaires.

I don't know if that's a shot at me directly. I've took a few in this thread but I paid $3650 for my card and turned down $15,000. So I don't know what "gain" I'm after exactly. Barring my wife getting cancer or something, I'd like to keep the card forever and as others have pointed out, the collector's of the cards don't care about the values.

[6celtics33]

I haven't heard back from iluvfish2, let's pick a member to verify what I'm talking about. How about adam27guy, alabammaslamma, abracalabra, whoever you all think is credible enough that doesn't care about star and I'll forward them the messages to verify my $15,000 offer since I'm falsely pumping the market.

[I only pull for]

If I had the extra money I would throw 15k at Celtics Jordan 8.5 XRC, if he was selling it for that.
His 8.5 would actually look better in that 9.5 holder than the one that actually is graded a 9.5.
Celtics showed us his 8.5 that had the best sub-grades of any XRC that I've personally seen. That 10 surface grade for the 1st card in the team bag is just insane.
The paranoia on these threads are comical to say the least, but please do keep it up, it is great entertainment. :popcorn:


6Celtics33, you know the Jordan isn't the Star rookie I want that you own though, your Sir Charles needs a new home. :)!

[GC1980]

The paranoia on these threads are comical to say the least, but please do keep it up, it is great entertainment. :popcorn:

Exactly. The hobby on all fronts has become a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists. Is it possible there have been some dubious sales? Absolutely. The same can be said about any and all big sales in the hobby. LBJ RPA Exquisite, Curry stuff, Wiggins, all of it. This card is no different.

It is equally if not more possible that the Star MJ is gaining momentum along with the Fleer and virtually all other big blue chip vintage cards. Not sure how many on this board collect vintage baseball but ALL HOF rookies in top condition are hitting record pricing. The Fleer MJ has exploded in the past 2 years. Are all these cards manipulated?

Believe it or not, some collectors do hold the Star MJ in very high regard and it is still very low pop considering the amount of people after it. If all the asks are high it indicates owners are not keen on selling it.

[AbraCalabro]

celtics, I didn't really scan through this thread, just skimmed some posts and doing so reminded me of the thread I linked, if people are blamming you in this thread, I don't know anything about it and as of posting this I still haven't read anything in detail. I don't know the market for the Star XRC and if you're paying 15k for one, a single sale doesn't make the market anyway, (or at least it shouldn't), nor will I ever likely be in the market for a Star XRC.

[rats60]

Hey man, I apologize, I wasn't serious. I was actually referring to an incident from a few years back.

Enjoy:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basketball/242818-just-sold-18-250-00-a.html

If I ever get that Jordan refractor, I'll let it go for 17k, quite a bargain!!! :)!

One was available last summer for 5k.

[scqg]

Hey man, I apologize, I wasn't serious. I was actually referring to an incident from a few years back.

Enjoy:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basketball/242818-just-sold-18-250-00-a.html

If I ever get that Jordan refractor, I'll let it go for 17k, quite a bargain!!! :)!

Ok lol :doh:

[6celtics33]

celtics, I didn't really scan through this thread, just skimmed some posts and doing so reminded me of the thread I linked, if people are blamming you in this thread, I don't know anything about it and as of posting this I still haven't read anything in detail. I don't know the market for the Star XRC and if you're paying 15k for one, a single sale doesn't make the market anyway, (or at least it shouldn't), nor will I ever likely be in the market for a Star XRC.

You're right it doesn't. But there were 2 recent legit sales of $12,000 also. I know it doesn't set the market but what got me riled up is I'm being accused of lying when I have written proof and I just don't want to out a good buyer from a high end negotiation. I've offered to have a 3rd party look at it to verify but I'm not serving up someone's id on here just to prove a point. I know I've argued over how good Wilt was and went back and forth with people over different nonsense but I'm a good member no matter how long I've been here and no matter how high my post count is. I've never wronged anybody and have no reason to lie. I'm not going to listen to that #@#@#@#@.

[Orangejello727]

Abra... this isn't a 90s insert with artificial scarcity stamped on it, this is Michael Jordan's true rookie card. Please don't confuse the two. And I'm sorry you guys think that the world is just full of liars and cheats and there is some secret club that involves us passing our 101's back and forth trying to document sale prices to drive it up falsely. That is not what is happening. VCP doesn't even track star cards. The fact is there are plenty of people that like and want the cards and then there are members here who are butt hurt because of something completely unrelated (90s inserts) when people were shilling Natsturner and others that think it's happening again. It's not the same thing. But noone wants to listen to reason or logic. As it's been said many times, if there were so many out there and the presses were running wide open then why isn't there more cards graded in the pop report of a set where nobody wants raw cards? I mean you have to grade them to sell them for decent money. And yet, Jordan the most popular player, has around 500 cards graded. There are more gem mint fleer rookies than there are total graded 101's. And yet, people act like star is just so plentiful and easy to find and they made so many of them over and over. It's ludicrous.


I don't think anyone is specifically pointing out skepticism on Star 101 Jordans. The drama starts when you see this quick pop up posts trying to pimp a card selling for record prices then suddenly get a bunch of attention from guys looking to buy and sell. Seriously? How else would you treat a topic like this beside a hype and sell?

YOu seriously think as a smart buyer you wouldn't want such type of attention that would warrant any extra activity for the card you are looking to buy at what you consider decent prices. Yet its the opposite. Here we are in a thread talking about insane record breaking prices and the same few guys asking to put in buys. Does that seem logical to you? put in request to buy after record breaking prices and claim the card is not done moving yet? Who in their right mind goes out pimping a card to pay more by hyping it even more? Unless of course there is another agenda behind it.

If youre in the market to sell one, kudos to you. If youre in the market to buy one, good luck to you. But if youre in the market to buy them at steal prices, I question why any of you are here trying to hype crazy sale prices? Doesn't that work against your logic to pick them up quietly and low prices?

[6celtics33]

If I had the extra money I would throw 15k at Celtics Jordan 8.5 XRC, if he was selling it for that.
His 8.5 would actually look better in that 9.5 holder than the one that actually is graded a 9.5.
Celtics showed us his 8.5 that had the best sub-grades of any XRC that I've personally seen. That 10 surface grade for the 1st card in the team bag is just insane.
The paranoia on these threads are comical to say the least, but please do keep it up, it is great entertainment. :popcorn:


6Celtics33, you know the Jordan isn't the Star rookie I want that you own though, your Sir Charles needs a new home. :)!

Haha, sorry man, can't do it

[6celtics33]

I don't think anyone is specifically pointing out skepticism on Star 101 Jordans. The drama starts when you see this quick pop up posts trying to pimp a card selling for record prices then suddenly get a bunch of attention from guys looking to buy and sell. Seriously? How else would you treat a topic like this beside a hype and sell?

YOu seriously think as a smart buyer you wouldn't want such type of attention that would warrant any extra activity for the card you are looking to buy at what you consider decent prices. Yet its the opposite. Here we are in a thread talking about insane record breaking prices and the same few guys asking to put in buys. Does that seem logical to you? put in request to buy after record breaking prices and claim the card is not done moving yet? Who in their right mind goes out pimping a card to pay more by hyping it even more? Unless of course there is another agenda behind it.

If youre in the market to sell one, kudos to you. If youre in the market to buy one, good luck to you. But if youre in the market to buy them at steal prices, I question why any of you are here trying to hype crazy sale prices? Doesn't that work against your logic to pick them up quietly and low prices?

I don't remember anyone in this thread trying to buy or sell one. This sounds like nameanking hangover. He's gone guys, he's gone.

[Starman101]

Bingo. Just a handful of people are driving the phony market boom for these cards. They are doing it for their own gain and I'm not going to play along. Knock yourselves out, become millionaires.

Just for the record I'm not interested in selling anytime soon

Not sure how that insinuates "their own gain"?? :doh:

:confused:

[Orangejello727]

I don't remember anyone in this thread trying to buy or sell one. This sounds like nameanking hangover. He's gone guys, he's gone.

See below


Personally I think all the star cards are undervalued, the true XRC of guys like MJ/Hakeem/Ewing/Stockton to me are the RCs to own over the Fleer RCs. I love Star cards and hope I can own the MJ one day.

Looks like Jpayne is geniunely in the market to get one.

Well said and I promise you... Whatever you paid for it, it'll be more in the future so enjoy

Here is the pitch to drive up prices!! :)!:)!:)!

Also I would note that I would trade my bgs 8.5 fleer MJ rc for a similar valued star 101 in a heart beat, even if it was like a 6 with dinged corners lol

Here is an offer. Also scgg offered to buy from Abra but only us smart folks knew exactly how "rareair" his offer was!! :p:p

[GC1980]

See below




Looks like Jpayne is geniunely in the market to get one.



Here is the pitch to drive up prices!! :)!:)!:)!



Here is an offer. Also scgg offered to buy from Abra but only us smart folks knew exactly how "rareair" his offer was!! :p:p

I think you are reaching on all these. Two collectors can have a conversation and one can offer his opinion on where prices are headed without it being some plot to manipulate the market.

[Orangejello727]

I think you are reaching on all these. Two collectors can have a conversation and one can offer his opinion on where prices are headed without it being some plot to manipulate the market.

To each their own. If you are naive to think there is no agenda to hyping cards, that is your call!. When was the last time 2 sales cemented the market value of anything?

[6celtics33]

Yeah fair enough on JPayne saying he wanted one "someday" and the same Jpayne offering to trade for one now. But me telling a guy who already bought one he made a wise choice is a far reach on me pumping the market. What I'm basing that on is the steady increase of prices over the past few years and the fact that it's just the most popular athlete ever's most rare and valuable rookie card. Hardly a giant leap.

[AbraCalabro]

You're right it doesn't. But there were 2 recent legit sales of $12,000 also. I know it doesn't set the market but what got me riled up is I'm being accused of lying when I have written proof and I just don't want to out a good buyer from a high end negotiation. I've offered to have a 3rd party look at it to verify but I'm not serving up someone's id on here just to prove a point. I know I've argued over how good Wilt was and went back and forth with people over different nonsense but I'm a good member no matter how long I've been here and no matter how high my post count is. I've never wronged anybody and have no reason to lie. I'm not going to listen to that #@#@#@#@.

I'm not saying that you've wronged anyone though and I'm not trying to pinch you over our back and forth about the GOAT :cool:, Wilt.

[6celtics33]

I do agree that is happening and there are shady people in the hobby. I'm just telling you that's not the case here. I'm not naive at all. 2 sales don't cement the market of anything but a few months ago this same conversation and argument was taking place when a few sales in the 7500-9000 price range took place, everyone freaked out and accused others of pumping the market and yet here we are, new high prices. You'd think eventually everyone would wise up and only pay what blowout thinks the cards are worth which apparently is what $4,000 for an 8.5? Because that was the 2011 price?

It's sick to me that most every single card we collect, rip from wax, keep from our childhood, etc has lost value and everyone laughs and talks and jokes about that. Hey remember when the beckett said my donruss canseco rookie was $100? Those were good times. But then something actually increases for once and it's like the world is ending. What are we doing in this hobby?

[I only pull for]

This site needs more Star threads, good job Starman101. I'll take discussions over 80's era basketball cards/ or style of game for that matter over anything produced today.

JasonM32, so I guess it is safe to assume all of the threads about Panini products are phony boom markets pumped up for the wax gamblers to try to make something for their own gain-----that is until the next 10k pack comes out. Then the process starts all over again. A product that is over 30 years old doesn't need a "phony market boom" to help people "gain" something from these cards. I don't remember the price of Star team sets/packs from the 80's but I know they were less than a buck a pack....and the people you are accusing of doing the pumping have owned unopened packs for years.





To go inside the mind of a millennial would make for an interesting trippy day.

[nmordowitz]

First off
i have two star 101 - both are 6.5
One subs total to 32 - one raised corner kills it

Here is a link to an auction from yesterday for a BGS 7 that sold for 3675
Yes 3675 for a BGS 7
1984 85 Star Basketball 101 Michael Jordan RARE RC Rookie HOF BGS 7 w 9 5 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/361487550949?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

I also bought my 2 BGS 6.5 2 years back -0 both about 1k a piece.

There are so few graded versions - all the millennials are going to start wanting them soon...

[6celtics33]

I'm not saying that you've wronged anyone though and I'm not trying to pinch you over our back and forth about the GOAT :cool:, Wilt.

I know you're not Abra, I was talking about pingbling. He openly accused me of lying. He apologized but I just don't think that's ok. I mean I'd like to be able to defend myself or at the very least earn the reputation as a liar if I"m going to be seen as one anyway.

No comment on Wilt.... I've exhausted myself on that one

But I did draft Shawn Kemp in our all time draft so you should probably vote for me when the time comes. My team is monstrous.

[Orangejello727]

Yeah fair enough on JPayne saying he wanted one "someday" and the same Jpayne offering to trade for one now. But me telling a guy who already bought one he made a wise choice is a far reach on me pumping the market. What I'm basing that on is the steady increase of prices over the past few years and the fact that it's just the most popular athlete ever's most rare and valuable rookie card. Hardly a giant leap.

Im not contesting the sales of the card being at $12k each. What I am saying is that 2 recent sales do not reflect a true market value when number of transactions is too small of a sample.

There was an article written on that person who bough the BGS 9.5 Lebron exquisite for just under $100k. He literally stated that overpaying the valuation on an investment does 2 things. It creates the attention needed to protect an investment and secondly it leaves a mark for people to talk about. Both of which contribute to notoriety of the investment. He then goes on to state that he will continue to do the same for other pieces that he adds to his collection.

This same process is used when art goes up for auction. It literally needs to make new record breaking prices each time a piece is sold to garner enough attention and leave a mark so that the next time it comes up on the market, it has legs to surpass last selling price.

Im not question to the legitimacy of the sale. Im aruging the ambiguity of the sales anomaly.

[GC1980]

To each their own. If you are naive to think there is no agenda to hyping cards, that is your call!. When was the last time 2 sales cemented the market value of anything?

Two sales don't cement the market value for anything. No one is saying they do. There is an agenda on 99% of the posts about cards here. Big value cards tend to have some people looking to protect their investment but that does not mean there are nefarious plots and groups of people moving the same cards around to pump prices.

[JasonM32]

I don't know if that's a shot at me directly. I've took a few in this thread but I paid $3650 for my card and turned down $15,000. So I don't know what "gain" I'm after exactly. Barring my wife getting cancer or something, I'd like to keep the card forever and as others have pointed out, the collector's of the cards don't care about the values.

My comments were definitely not intended to be a shot at you, or any one particulate person really. I think the value of Star basketball cards are being manipulated. I think that the value of vintage basketball as a whole is being manipulated. Basketball has been the sole focus of my collecting for more years than I care to mention and I think that something screwy is going on. That's all I'm saying.

[6celtics33]

I'm not saying that you've wronged anyone though and I'm not trying to pinch you over our back and forth about the GOAT :cool:, Wilt.

320741

Here is the card in question and let me make this straighforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

[AbraCalabro]

I know you're not Abra, I was talking about pingbling. He openly accused me of lying. He apologized but I just don't think that's ok. I mean I'd like to be able to defend myself or at the very least earn the reputation as a liar if I"m going to be seen as one anyway.

No comment on Wilt.... I've exhausted myself on that one

But I did draft Shawn Kemp in our all time draft so you should probably vote for me when the time comes. My team is monstrous.

You got my vote, just let me know when and where! :)!

[GC1980]

My comments were definitely not intended to be a shot at you, or any one particulate person really. I think the value of Star basketball cards are being manipulated. I think that the value of vintage basketball as a whole is being manipulated. Basketball has been the sole focus of my collecting for more years than I care to mention and I think that something screwy is going on. That's all I'm saying.

I find it odd you think vintage basketball is being manipulated. Compared to other sports, i feel it's still criminally undervalued. Bird/Magic, Wilt, Julius, Russell, Moses, Pistol Pete, Kareem...all these rookies can be had for peanuts in decent grades.

The baseball side of things has been booming. All HOF rookies are selling for record prices. As an avid Mantle collector, I can't find a nicely centered card without paying a record high these days.

It's possible vintage may just be catching the eye of a lot of basketball fans that aren't into the new stuff or players. Basketball has a much smaller selection to choose from that say baseball in the vintage market.

[I only pull for]

320741

Here is the card in question and let me make this straighforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

:eek:Put that thing away,..It's going to make some pant legs sticky...:o

[GC1980]

320741

Here is the card in question and let me make this straighforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

Nice card. Very nice. It looks better than 9's I've seen and it's probable the prospective buyer made the offer knowing it's likely the best 8.5 out there and potentially worthy of a bump. I've done this on cards before and that precisely how huge record sales happen.

Does that mean all 8.5's are worth 15k? Absolutely not. It means this particular card that represents the absolute pinnacle of the grade commanded a handsome and well deserved premium.

[6celtics33]

Exactly.... the way a 9.5 that is .5 from pristine will sell for more than one with 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 subs.

I only pull for.... lol, probably not, they'll probably tell me they'd rather have a new panini crown royale ticket gold jersey patch 4 color prizm diamond anniversary ruby red koolaid card of Porzingis.

[GC1980]

Exactly.... the way a 9.5 that is .5 from pristine will sell for more than one with 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 subs.

I only pull for.... lol, probably not, they'll probably tell me they'd rather have a new panini crown royale ticket gold jersey patch 4 color prizm diamond anniversary ruby red koolaid card of Porzingis.

Porzingas no...Wiggins?? No contest!

[Orangejello727]

Exactly.... the way a 9.5 that is .5 from pristine will sell for more than one with 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 subs.

I only pull for.... lol, probably not, they'll probably tell me they'd rather have a new panini crown royale ticket gold jersey patch 4 color prizm diamond anniversary ruby red koolaid card of Porzingis.

Porzingas no...Wiggins?? No contest!

Both of you are hypocrites. In one sentence you protect your 80s MJs and claim fame, then you try and dig at current cards and insinuate fraud. It just goes to add more relevance to the agenda to pump, hype then sell your pieces.

Good luck. Im looking forward to your big sales in the future once you find the person to dupe!! Hey...its just money right?

[I only pull for]

Both of you are hypocrites. In one sentence you protect your 80s MJs and claim fame, then you try and dig at current cards and insinuate fraud. It just goes to add more relevance to the agenda to pump, hype then sell your pieces.

Good luck. Im looking forward to your big sales in the future once you find the person to dupe!! Hey...its just money right?

No Sir, that was me that put down the modern Panini market.
This is the exact reaction I was expecting from you, you have did nothing but troll this thread as your agenda is to pump Panini garbage. I don't blame you though, if I was suckered into buying a pack of cards for 7500-10k a pop I would pump that junk too. I'm just wating for the pump and dump from this years class----who will it be KAT or someone else? How much can we pump up those "sick patches for"?

[GC1980]

Both of you are hypocrites. In one sentence you protect your 80s MJs and claim fame, then you try and dig at current cards and insinuate fraud. It just goes to add more relevance to the agenda to pump, hype then sell your pieces.

Good luck. Im looking forward to your big sales in the future once you find the person to dupe!! Hey...its just money right?

Clearly you can't take jokes. I am not protecting any investment personally. I have $1000 into a BGS 6.5 which is in my PC. I've even stated on these boards I was hesitant to buy a higher grade given the "drama" and the other very high dollar, safe PC I focus on.

$100 is not exactly an "investment" i need to protect. You'll be waiting a long time if you are looking forward to me duping people on a sale of my Star.

I've said numerous times i don't see how people can be OK with a Wiggins for 10k or a box of the high end du jour for 3k+ but think a Star Jordan at the same price is some scam. Nothing hypocritical there.

[Starman101]

320741

Here is the card in question and let me make this straightforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

That is some card you have there

That looks more like a 9 than at least half of the 9's Ive seen, no joke

You paid 3650 for that back in the day. Wow :)!

That is the highest subgraded 8.5 Ive ever seen so if the other 2 sold for 12k, I would realistically value that at 15k as there are 9s that aren't as nice as yours

I have a pet peave for high graded cards with white, fuzzy corners which is what I've seen on at least 3 or 4 9s Ive seen graded.....and I wont even mention the 9.5.... :doh:

Very, very nice card bro

Impressive

[Jay9Suited]

320741

Here is the card in question and let me make this straighforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

so like... how much?

[Orangejello727]

Clearly you can't take jokes. I am not protecting any investment personally. I have $1000 into a BGS 6.5 which is in my PC. I've even stated on these boards I was hesitant to buy a higher grade given the "drama" and the other very high dollar, safe PC I focus on.

$100 is not exactly an "investment" i need to protect. You'll be waiting a long time if you are looking forward to me duping people on a sale of my Star.

I've said numerous times i don't see how people can be OK with a Wiggins for 10k or a box of the high end du jour for 3k+ but think a Star Jordan at the same price is some scam. Nothing hypocritical there.

I don't buy basketball cards anymore because of the manipulating going on. I sell here and there of stuff I want to offload because it doesn't fit my collection. I also don't crack any wax. I only collected kobe cards for my PC.

But I find it amusing that you cant see how people can be ok with spening $10 on a sports card of Wiggins but have no issues with spening 15k on a MJ from the 80s? How are the two any different? Both a piece of cardboard with absolutely no value to anyone outside of the hobby in itself. The wiggins and the MJ 101 are the same thing. A sportscard that someone went out and dropped a large dime on. Not everyone....just someone!

So why cant you believe a 10k wiggins, but you can believe a 15k MJ?? For the record I am indifferent on what a single person spends on a card. Like I stated before about the article on the Lebron Exquisite going for $95k, there is a purpose to setting such a price by a single person on a single specific card. How is it diferent whether its on MJ, Wiggins or "Insert any player, any product here"

[GC1980]

I don't buy basketball cards anymore because of the manipulating going on. I sell here and there of stuff I want to offload because it doesn't fit my collection. I also don't crack any wax. I only collected kobe cards for my PC.

But I find it amusing that you cant see how people can be ok with spening $10 on a sports card of Wiggins but have no issues with spening 15k on a MJ from the 80s? How are the two any different? Both a piece of cardboard with absolutely no value to anyone outside of the hobby in itself. The wiggins and the MJ 101 are the same thing. A sportscard that someone went out and dropped a large dime on. Not everyone....just someone!

So why cant you believe a 10k wiggins, but you can believe a 15k MJ?? For the record I am indifferent on what a single person spends on a card. Like I stated before about the article on the Lebron Exquisite going for $95k, there is a purpose to setting such a price by a single person on a single specific card. How is it diferent whether its on MJ, Wiggins or "Insert any player, any product here"

I personally don't care what anyone spends on their hobby. I just pointed out that people don't blink an eye at the crazy prices quoted around here for modern cards of unproven players but every time a Jordan Star is brought up there are people calling out market manipulation like it's fact.

[6celtics33]

Both of you are hypocrites. In one sentence you protect your 80s MJs and claim fame, then you try and dig at current cards and insinuate fraud. It just goes to add more relevance to the agenda to pump, hype then sell your pieces.

Good luck. Im looking forward to your big sales in the future once you find the person to dupe!! Hey...its just money right?


Ehhhhhhhh.... I give up

[6celtics33]

so like... how much?

Oh pm coming man. I found him oranjello, I found him... I'm so psyched about duping this guy!

Joke.... that probably wasn't as obvious as I'd hoped

[Jay9Suited]

I don't buy basketball cards anymore because of the manipulating going on. I sell here and there of stuff I want to offload because it doesn't fit my collection. I also don't crack any wax. I only collected kobe cards for my PC.

But I find it amusing that you cant see how people can be ok with spening $10 on a sports card of Wiggins but have no issues with spening 15k on a MJ from the 80s? How are the two any different? Both a piece of cardboard with absolutely no value to anyone outside of the hobby in itself. The wiggins and the MJ 101 are the same thing. A sportscard that someone went out and dropped a large dime on. Not everyone....just someone!

So why cant you believe a 10k wiggins, but you can believe a 15k MJ?? For the record I am indifferent on what a single person spends on a card. Like I stated before about the article on the Lebron Exquisite going for $95k, there is a purpose to setting such a price by a single person on a single specific card. How is it diferent whether its on MJ, Wiggins or "Insert any player, any product here"

I think he is just saying that Wiggins' prices shouldn't be on the MJ level. Jordan the GOAT, or Wiggins the unproven noob in the NBA. Jordan who has arguably only two rookie cards, or Wiggins who has thousands.

[tmar214]

The two 8.5 sales happened 14 seconds apart? Likely the same buyer hit BIN on both ?

[Starman101]

Starclown just stop. Anyone with half a brain can see a bgs 8 just sold for $4600 on ebay last week. who cares if someone lists one for 8000? If I list my 8 for $1 million dollars is that what it is worth?
In the past few months other auction sites have had 8.5's and they sold for 6400 - 6500. If you want to buy an 8.5 from me for 12k I will gladly take your money.

Ahhhhh.........

It appears the $8000 BGS 8 on Ebay has just been sold

Will you remain in denial?

Smh :doh:

[Bostonsports1]

Ahhhhh.........

It appears the $8000 BGS 8 on Ebay has just been sold

Will you remain in denial?

Smh :doh:

Must be from all the hype in this thread. Only reason it sold :)

Edit: It looks like it sold for 12k, is that legit. Whats even more funny, it was namenkings listing lol

[Starman101]

Must be from all the hype in this thread. Only reason it sold :)

Edit: It looks like it sold for 12k, is that legit. Whats even more funny, it was namenkings listing lol

I was actually referring to the seller: jerry507's BGS 8

Item Number 401070968992

Namenkings listsing dont count as he always seems to be relisting his BGS 8

But jerry507 and higbees are reputable Star sellers

It appears legit as he also sold the last BGS 8.5

I feel bad for anyone in the market for a 101 now. No wonder the haters keep on hating.

They're being priced out

[Bostonsports1]

I was actually referring to the seller: jerry507's BGS 8

Item Number 401070968992

Namenkings listsing dont count as he always seems to be relisting his BGS 8

But jerry507 and higbees are reputable Star sellers

It appears legit as he also sold the last BGS 8.5

I feel bad for anyone in the market for a 101 now. No wonder the haters keep on hating.

They're being priced out

Not sure if that 8 from jerry actually sold, he just took it down. Prob sold off ebay.

[Starman101]

Exactly.... the way a 9.5 that is .5 from pristine will sell for more than one with 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 subs.

I only pull for.... lol, probably not, they'll probably tell me they'd rather have a new panini crown royale ticket gold jersey patch 4 color prizm diamond anniversary ruby red koolaid card of Porzingis.

I just read this and am thinking of parting with my Star for the emerald green gatorade card of Porzingis

LMAO!! :D

Good stuff celtics!

[Orangejello727]

I personally don't care what anyone spends on their hobby. I just pointed out that people don't blink an eye at the crazy prices quoted around here for modern cards of unproven players but every time a Jordan Star is brought up there are people calling out market manipulation like it's fact.

The negative impact comes in when you figure 1 thread was made about the wiggins and how many endless ones are made periodically about the 101 MJ? That's what gets people up in arms.

[GC1980]

The negative impact comes in when you figure 1 thread was made about the wiggins and how many endless ones are made periodically about the 101 MJ? That's what gets people up in arms.

1 thread was made about Wiggins? There has been Wiggins hype nonstop for a year. I just don't get why people who don't like the card or feel the market is manipulated need to come into every thread and beef to the collectors that are passionate about it. We certainly don't jump into every panani thread and do the same.

[6celtics33]

Exactly and to be honest I don't care about Wiggins or Panini. My only point is don't be an as$hole to others about what they like. Feel free and please pass on clicking on the thread. Go spend your time on what you like. There is plenty for everybody.

[6celtics33]

What kills me is when a new member gets on here and asks a question and people are like "omg a simple search will show you many threads answering what you are asking". Or "not another one of these threads". If you are seeing the same thread pop up to the point it's annoying you just to look at it, you might need to unplug and take a walk in the outdoor 3 dimensional world for awhile. Like it takes a real miserable person to click on something just to be negative vs just passing it on by.

[bkf12]

Ahhhhh.........

It appears the $8000 BGS 8 on Ebay has just been sold

Will you remain in denial?

Smh :doh:


Do you seriously not see the bgs 8 auction that ended on ebay last week for $4600? I tell you what - I have an 8 and I will sell it to you for $7000. You obviously think it is worth 8000 so it is a quick $1000 flip for you.

[Starman101]

Do you seriously not see the bgs 8 auction that ended on ebay last week for $4600? I tell you what - I have an 8 and I will sell it to you for $7000. You obviously think it is worth 8000 so it is a quick $1000 flip for you.

Honestly If I didn't have two already I would as the skys the limit for the 101, even in lower grades

I don't believe the other haters would believe that sale ever transpired either. On blowout cards it would be more controversial than the Warren Commission

:rolleyes:

Lol

[I only pull for]

Do you seriously not see the bgs 8 auction that ended on ebay last week for $4600? I tell you what - I have an 8 and I will sell it to you for $7000. You obviously think it is worth 8000 so it is a quick $1000 flip for you.

What are the subs?

[6celtics33]

Going by auctions is moronic on a card like that. When it sells high it's shilled. When it sells low it's the market? What kind of logic is that?

[DalliLlama11]

Going by auctions is moronic on a card like that. When it sells high it's shilled. When it sells low it's the market? What kind of logic is that?

I have no direct relation to this card, but an auction is more accurate with any card imo. An auction shows what multiple people are willing to pay for it. A Bin shows what 1 single person is willing to pay. The more people offering on it (auction) the easier to gauge a value compared to one person.

If a card comes up and 10 ppl bid on it and it sells for $50. Yet i offer $100 it is probably closer to the $50 mark. It just means I really wanted it. Most people wouldn't pay that $100, but several were willing to be around $50.

Edit: i know nothing about the card or history of it, so I have no clue. Just thought Id give my opinion on the auction vs Bin.

[Jay9Suited]

I have no direct relation to this card, but an auction is more accurate with any card imo. An auction shows what multiple people are willing to pay for it. A Bin shows what 1 single person is willing to pay. The more people offering on it (auction) the easier to gauge a value compared to one person.

If a card comes up and 10 ppl bid on it and it sells for $50. Yet i offer $100 it is probably closer to the $50 mark. It just means I really wanted it. Most people wouldn't pay that $100, but several were willing to be around $50.

Edit: i know nothing about the card or history of it, so I have no clue. Just thought Id give my opinion on the auction vs Bin.

Maybe for low end cards, but when it comes to highend cards I would strongly disagree. Not everyone has $10k+ sitting in their PayPal account to buy a basketball card. For these cards you have to find the right buyer, not auction it off and pray that a pair of bidders with deep pockets are in the market for your card.

[gottagitdemjs]

Just a little over a year ago I purchased a BGS 7 with the rest of the team set for $1000 and flipped it for $1600 a couple months later.....for the love of God I wish I had it back.

[wj1984]

that $8k on ebay is most likely a dud... my mj star bgs 8 (with a few 9; centering 7.5) with a fleer bgs 8 sitting on the forum for ages!

[thecomebacker]

BGS 8 sold in auction format last night for $5300.

[pingbling23]

BGS 8 sold in auction format last night for $5300.

a probestein listing none the less.

[pingbling23]

namenkings bgs 8 he "sold" bin for 12k has been relisted by him, shocker.....

[6celtics33]

No doubt the nameanking one was predictable, which $8,000 are we talking about?

[Starman101]

A BGS 9 has just been listed by Jerry507 for 50k! :eek:

Thats the first BGS 9 Ive seen on Ebay since last summer

And to think only 3 years ago I remember there were like 3 BGS 9s sitting on Ebay for $7500 - 9000

Unreal

[GC1980]

A BGS 9 has just been listed by Jerry507 for 50k! :eek:

Thats the first BGS 9 Ive seen on Ebay since last summer

And to think only 3 years ago I remember there were like 3 BGS 9s sitting on Ebay for $7500 - 9000

Unreal

There are very strong asks on a number of grades up on ebay now. $50k for the 9, $14.5k for an 8.5, $5.2k for a 7.5, $4k for a 6.5 and of course, $15k for nameandking's 8.

I doubt any of these get there ask and that's coming from a fan of the card. The BGS 9 is a stunner and the market is bullish on key HOF RCs in their top grade though so who knows.

[Starman101]

There are very strong asks on a number of grades up on ebay now. $50k for the 9, $14.5k for an 8.5, $5.2k for a 7.5, $4k for a 6.5 and of course, $15k for nameandking's 8.

I doubt any of these get there ask and that's coming from a fan of the card. The BGS 9 is a stunner and the market is bullish on key HOF RCs in their top grade though so who knows.

I agree

But then again I honestly did not think an 8.5 would get 12k (not to mention even 10k) and 2 of them were just sold

The askings are high but I think the sellers will just wait it out for the right buyers on these, though I dont see that 9 lasting for more than a month IMO

[GC1980]

I agree

But then again I honestly did not think an 8.5 would get 12k (not to mention even 10k) and 2 of them were just sold

The askings are high but I think the sellers will just wait it out for the right buyers on these, though I dont see that 9 lasting for more than a month IMO

I agree. That's been an interesting dynamic on the Star in recent years. Most 101's seem to come up as BINs and they usually have what many would consider unrealistic asking prices. I feel many sellers are content holding and waiting for the market to "catch up" to the ask.

[angels2705]

That is a very sick card, 6celtics33! And I am with you on passing on a 15k offer on it. I'd have done the same.
There are some great points made here on the scarcity of the 101 and the overall significance of this card. Personally, I have always wanted one or at least wanted to see one of these in hand and I've been collecting for a good 20 years, so they are by no means abundant.
Now that I can finally afford one (at these price points), I'm really gonna start working on acquiring a clean copy. I've done plenty of research on it and am comfortable enough to now add one to my PC... Gotta get in before they undoubtedly get out of personal reach a la '52 Topps Mantle. Would love to add one to accompany my 86 fleer bgs 9.

[Starman101]

That is a very sick card, 6celtics33! And I am with you on passing on a 15k offer on it. I'd have done the same.
There are some great points made here on the scarcity of the 101 and the overall significance of this card. Personally, I have always wanted one or at least wanted to see one of these in hand and I've been collecting for a good 20 years, so they are by no means abundant.
Now that I can finally afford one (at these price points), I'm really gonna start working on acquiring a clean copy. I've done plenty of research on it and am comfortable enough to now add one to my PC... Gotta get in before they undoubtedly get out of personal reach a la '52 Topps Mantle. Would love to add one to accompany my 86 fleer bgs 9.

Yeah I'd definately snatch one up sooner than later

If you plan on spending more for a cleaner copy, that would be a smart move as I think the cleaner copies will increase exponentially on these as time passes on

I made it a priority to pick up 2 of these as soon as I could over any other MJ card including the 86 Fleer which I will eventually pick up as well

A smart collector knows the numbers on the 101 and it is simply not a card to wait on

Good luck and let us know how it goes

[6celtics33]

That is a very sick card, 6celtics33! And I am with you on passing on a 15k offer on it. I'd have done the same.
There are some great points made here on the scarcity of the 101 and the overall significance of this card. Personally, I have always wanted one or at least wanted to see one of these in hand and I've been collecting for a good 20 years, so they are by no means abundant.
Now that I can finally afford one (at these price points), I'm really gonna start working on acquiring a clean copy. I've done plenty of research on it and am comfortable enough to now add one to my PC... Gotta get in before they undoubtedly get out of personal reach a la '52 Topps Mantle. Would love to add one to accompany my 86 fleer bgs 9.

Knowing the centering issues that plague star cards across the board I chose to go that route and find the cleanest copy I could find. So the 101 has its own specific issues. It's the top card on the bag so that means the corners are constantly in contact with the bag so finding completely clean corners are tough. Surface is tough for the same reason. Imagine the old days when these were distributed and going through the mail back and forth in those bags what the odds are of finding one with no white on the corners or edges. It's an anomaly that there are any the way these were distributed and stored. Centering presents its own challenges. You have off centered ones but then also you have tilt and diamond cut to contend with.

Given that it's Michael Jordan and all the challenges it presents and the rarity it is important to me to hold on to the one I want once I found it and I have found it. I'll sell it someday but I'm 32 and it won't be any time soon. I also feel that Jordan is the basketball equivalent of Mantle and that over time these cards will continue to rise. So would $15,000 have helped me? Absolutely. But then I'd just buy another 101 that I wouldn't like as much so what's the point.

[angels2705]

Well the one I want, I've had my eyes on for a while. I was finally able to work out a deal for it!
. I looked at quite a few throughout the past few months for close to a year. This one had everything I was looking for except for of course the centering. But I am extremely happy on being able to acquire this particular one, nonetheless. Corners and edges were a big point of emphasis on the one I ultimately wanted to purchase. So finding this one, as I did, had to snatch it up. The centering on it doesn't look as bad as it was graded. I'm just comparing to other examples I've seen. I'll be taking a closer look at it once it comes in.

[angels2705]

Just got the card in hand. Couldnt be happier. Such a sharp and clean card. No white showing on the corners or edges at all, which was important to me.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1647/24936342999_8ae011efc2_c.jpg[/url]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1449/25210893171_e08f2865cd_c.jpg[/url]

[Jpayne7787]

There are very strong asks on a number of grades up on ebay now. $50k for the 9, $14.5k for an 8.5, $5.2k for a 7.5, $4k for a 6.5 and of course, $15k for nameandking's 8.


Well that 7.5 for 5.2k is now off the books :) and I paid a fair amount less than that price tag.

[Starman101]

Well that 7.5 for 5.2k is now off the books :) and I paid a fair amount less than that price tag.

The 9 for $50k, 8.5 for $14.5k, and 7.5 for $5.2k are now ALL off the books

That 9 didn't even last a week :eek:

Will the "boy cried price manipulation" posters still remain in denial?? :doh:

Its the Greatest MJ card on the planet

Period

[Starman101]

Just got the card in hand. Couldnt be happier. Such a sharp and clean card. No white showing on the corners or edges at all, which was important to me.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1647/24936342999_8ae011efc2_c.jpg[/url]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1449/25210893171_e08f2865cd_c.jpg[/url]

Very nice!

I agree Id rather have a clean copy with no white showing on the corners or edges

Killer card man :)!

[15ncounting]

Beautiful card, I need to get me one some day.. I just don't get how they grade the centring, very inconsistent at BGS.

@6celtics33, thats is the most stunning Star 101 I've laid eyes on, even nicer than that 9.5 with a white corner bgs graded years back, thanks for sharing:)!

[6celtics33]

Hey thanks man. Congrats to the people who just picked one up. They are great cards. I've been told by people I trust that have seen it that the 9.5 is much nicer in person and the scans didn't do it justice. That can happen sometimes.

[aether]

thats why its good to buy the card in original bags!

[6celtics33]

thats why its good to buy the card in original bags!

What is why?

[Jpayne7787]

This one just ended for more than I thought,they seem to be going up with every auction? http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/Jpayne7787/BC865ED2-D0A8-4FDC-A7F7-C06D4258991A_zpse3mykotz.png (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jpayne7787/media/BC865ED2-D0A8-4FDC-A7F7-C06D4258991A_zpse3mykotz.png.html)

[Starman101]

Starclown just stop. Anyone with half a brain can see a bgs 8 just sold for $4600 on ebay last week. who cares if someone lists one for 8000? If I list my 8 for $1 million dollars is that what it is worth?
In the past few months other auction sites have had 8.5's and they sold for 6400 - 6500. If you want to buy an 8.5 from me for 12k I will gladly take your money.

And now $6200 for an 8

Wow

Starclown rests his case :)!

[Starman101]

I think collectors are beginning to catch on to this gem an the uptick in the market clearly reflects that

Its great to see the 101 get its long overdue props :)!

Beckett's population report indicates there are now 2 9.5s

I know of the one that sold in the Beckett Auction for 52k

Has anyone seen a scan of the other one?

Maybe a regrade bump?

[angels2705]

This one just ended for more than I thought,they seem to be going up with every auction? http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/Jpayne7787/BC865ED2-D0A8-4FDC-A7F7-C06D4258991A_zpse3mykotz.png (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Jpayne7787/media/BC865ED2-D0A8-4FDC-A7F7-C06D4258991A_zpse3mykotz.png.html)


Was watching this one pretty close. Honestly thought it'd end around 55-5800... Will be curious to see where the BGS 7 that's up will land in a day or so.

[wj1984]

here's mine

http://i63.tinypic.com/2qx41h4.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/2zz8a5h.jpg

wow that 8 is costing more than what I am selling my pair of fleer + star bgs 8!

[Jpayne7787]

Did anyone see what the BGS 7 ended for?

[GC1980]

Did anyone see what the BGS 7 ended for?

The PWCC Auction BGS 7? If so it ended at $4300.

[Jpayne7787]

The PWCC Auction BGS 7? If so it ended at $4300.

That's pretty crazy, didn't the last 7 sell for 3300-3400?

[nmordowitz]

Probably time to post one of my 6.5's for 3800 or more...
These prices are insane
Also the BGS 8.5 Fleer Jordan sold for just about 2K - and a BGs 7 for 1300 about
Glad I bought my RCs a few years back...

[Starman101]

Probably time to post one of my 6.5's for 3800 or more...
These prices are insane
Also the BGS 8.5 Fleer Jordan sold for just about 2K - and a BGs 7 for 1300 about
Glad I bought my RCs a few years back...

It may take a few weeks but it will sell

People are snatching up more affordable, lower graded 101's as the higher graded copies become more expensive and out of some collectors price range

I've seen this same exact trend occur in Star Wars vintage toys as prices rose due to the movies, and that's usually what winds up happening

But I still wouldn't sell it unless you really need the funds

I believe the card has plenty of upside still

[Starman101]

Ebay now lists a BGS 9 with a 50K BIN

Simply insane! :flex:

[nmordowitz]

Thanks for the info

[karlsta26]

Got nothing on a Curry Topps base rc.