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So I receive my gold bar, and immediately see the cert number and think something is not right. I see a very light certification number of it which is light gray in color, not the usual very dark black that stands out. Then I also notice the first letter in the cert is C instead of the usual A.

Should I be worried? It is the 1 oz bar I purchased, and don't want to just put it away if I don't clear this up. I went to the ebay listing and it also shows the light gray color and cert with a C... so what do you think? I've never seen this before now. Even on Youtube videos, I always see the dark black color cert that starts with an A, not C.

Here's the listing of this seller: Pamp Suisse Fortuna 1 Troy oz 9999 Fine Gold Bar SEALED w Assay Cert SKU27398 | eBay

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

Giovanni

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This is the one from Apmex, and the one I've always received when ordering gold, and all the videos I've seen on youtube.

1 oz Pamp Suisse Gold Bar Lady Fortuna Design in Assay SKU 83542 | eBay

So what's up with these C certs with light gray, which are almost illegible. Are people just tucking these away without knowing, or am I overreacting? I've never seen these and wouldn't mind someone explaining this if you know for a fact... Any Pamp experts in here? Thanks again.

Magickyak

I wouldn't worry. MCM is very reputable, and I took a look at the Pamp 1 oz bars on Provident's site and it looks like there are two types of Pamp 1ozs. There's an old style where the Certs begin with "A" and a new style where they begin with "C"

You can look at the two here, the first two items on the menu. Clicking on them allows you to see a close up of the back of the bar with the cert on it

PAMP SUISSE: PAMP Fortuna Gold Bullion

That's as much help as I can give ya

smackvay

this is why i have precious metal verifer

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Thank you for taking the time. I can't see the numbers/letters from my phone, but thanks for the advice and link. Also wanted to make sure MCM was reputable.

I mean, they do show the same cert as mine on eBay, but it's just so different out if nowhere. They should definitely warn people about changes, or just don't change it at all. Just a dangerous move if you ask me.

Thanks again.

SportsItUpCards

What do you mean, a machine to test them?

Do you have any knowledge on this, or an opinion on it?

smackvay

i have a machine that reads the composition of the coin/bar/slabbed item and lets me know if it is real
if you want to ship it to me i can test it for you. i can scan it thru any packageing as well

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Thank you for the offer! But I don't want to brother you, nor do I trust my metals thru the mail. Bad enough I gotta wait for them to arrive to me...

How much did the machine cost you? Any links to one for sale? Good companies that sell them?

Thanks again! I really appreciate it.

XL5

Don't quote me on it, but I thought the new design didn't have Fortuna.

Buy 1 oz PAMP Suisse Gold Bars (New Design w/ Assay) l JM Bullion?

The link in the OP shows the Fortuna design with the C cert. But I don't think that's a problem, it looks fine to me.

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I haven't heard back from the seller yet... Hopefully they can clarify this.

Why would they go from the perfectly legible cert, to one that can hardly be seen? As far as I'm concerned, if it's not broken, then don't fix it. I think I'm going to have to call PAMP to rest easy.

twoten01

Gio, MCM, is very legit. The reason for the change, was because they ran out of numbers in the A series. If you look at older JM and Engelhard bars they change the letter to continue minting bars. I do agree they should have stuck with a darker print on the assay card, but it is a business and who knows maybe that ink saves them .1 each card and that adds up.


If you really buy as much metals as you say, and especially since you are buying different types of metals, the top of the line verifier is around $750. Well you could go with an XRF for $20k or more but that's a little overboard, lol.

If buying more gold I would say check out the RCM bars, way nicer than PAMP's. And a lot of buyers are hesitant to buy PAMP's on the secondary market, because there are way more fake PAMP's then real ones. Or check out my favorite the American Gold Buffalo, 24kt and just an amazing coin.

RedSox82696

Please be careful. I took part in a trade with a member on here (I received gold, he received a football card). He claims he was unaware of the gold (Pamp Suisse bars) being fake, and I'm still waiting for a refund.

twoten01

Was the plastic white around the bar instead of clear? Those are big time fakes in the market right now.

smackvay

correct me if im wrong but i think the base model of the verifier is around 850 and they go up with all the wands(which mine has all of)

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Precious Metal Tester Verifier Kit Tests Gold Silver Platinum Palladium Sterling | eBay

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IronMonkey415

Yea it's legit... I bought mine from Apmex a few months back and the cert is also very light

twoten01

You are correct Mike, I was going off the price of the group buy.
I dont have one yet. How does it work? Can you test coins in ngc or pcgs holders?

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Thanks for the confirmation. Unless of course we're both getting tipped off...

Thank you all for the info, appreciate it. Going to look into a machine, but I always buy 1 oz or smaller, so not sure it's needed. I was just concerned because of the ink and cert letter change, and the fact that it was almost illegible. Thought maybe something was up. But if that's the new norm, then I guess it's all good.

SunDevilCards

I am pretty sure you can test in ngc or pcgs holders. I test in airtites and other plastic holders without an issue.

smackvay

I can test thru any slab/flip/holder

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Old Cardboard

John Maben and MCM are very credible people. If you purchased it directly from there, you should be just fine.

03supto

Did I read that correctly you can read through NGC and PGCS slabs? An second question; was it worth the price to you?

smackvay

I can read thru ANY slab, capsule, plastic holder, flip or any other thing people put coins in(those proof set holders)

Yes it is definitely worth the money

I rent mine out for a small fee to people that I know

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twoten01

Mike, was going to ask you this in our pm on bs. But seen you just posted here, so can the pmv test 1kilo kooks in and out of the holder? and i read on one of the forums that it has to be a bigger piece of metal if slabbed. (Ex. It wont read a 1/10 age in a ngc slab) is that true?
and I am going to have to take you up on that offer, later in the year. I know my stuff is real, because i bought them straight from the mint for each bar or from you . But still need one myself just cause it seems like it is fun to test items lol. And it doesnt hurt that you can guarantee your customers that every item you sell has been tested.