[QUOTE=cj828282;14746425]Does this card have the same issues as the Gleyber? From the same set and is Joe's. Also a BL.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/RONALD-ACUNA-2018-Topps-1983-Green-Refractor-Rookie-92-99-BGS-10-PRISTINE-BLACK/392244082392?hash=item5b5391b6d8:g:Z9kAAOSwDcJcbddb[/url][/QUOTE]

yes it does

[QUOTE=drstrader5;14746712]I don’t see a refractor line on the Acuna.


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Top / bottom centering doesn't look 10 worthy though

There is a lot that has emerged from this thread, but one thing I wanted to make sure wasn't glossed over:

Brent graciously shared his experience with us, which I know many people saw.

[QUOTE=brentandbecca;14727771]In late 2010 I was made an offer to submit cards with BGS at a bulk discount rate. $7/card if they graded it. $1 additional if it needed an auto grade. I was told my rate would gradually drop (down to as low as $5.50) if I would send in 500 cards in on a monthly basis. I could also notate each card with a min grade requirement or the card would be returned to me raw as a no grade. I did a small test run of a couple hundred cards to see how the whole process would work cost and time wise as I was rather busy so I sent in mostly PC items that I didn't really card about the grade but wanted them slabbed.
I was told if I would send in bulk orders each month not only would my price/card decrease but that my Gem Mint (9.5) % would increase and I would also be receiving a % of Pristine (10) cards. I spoke to a few other big breakers/graders I knew about their grading experiences including someone who also claimed to have set minimums of gem mint and pristine results.

Some have suggested I was being told averages that I was to expect with each submission. Maybe so, but that was not how it was said to me or how I understood it to be.[/QUOTE]

And he's not the only one willing to speak up: "Umm, guys it’s 1000% true. Not even worth debating. It’s true and it’s terrible. Bulk clients get a certain amount of guaranteed grades. No questions asked it’s happened and still does." [url]https://twitter.com/JonEinalhori/status/1134912352577556480[/url]

Any grading company that does this is not the objective grader they claim to be. And they don't deserve our business as long as this practice continues.

I updated my post from the other day but thought it would be best to highlight the updates in a new post.

575 BGS graded 2018 Topps Now #125 Ronald Acuna Braves cards

Topps Now is one of the best sample cards to reference, as this product removes several variances in how cards might be damaged (opening packs, sorting cards, .....) by each individual collector. With the possible "damage" scenarios limited on the release of this 1-day production card, Joe seems to have a large number of "average graders" (9.5) cards, somehow viewed as BGS 10's.

[B]The "Bad grades" are nearly identically (Joe is slightly worse at avoiding these) across the board, only the high-end grades seem to favor Joe.[/B]

Joe:
BGS 10 (all 31 Black labels and regular) success rate 36%
BGS 9.5 success rate 52%
BGS 9 and 8.5 (less desirable cards) 11%

All other paying Beckett customer submissions:
BGS 10 (No Black Labels) success rate 15%
BGS 9.5 success rate 74%
BGS 9 and 8.5 (less desirable cards) 10%

Also of note, most of Joe’s grades seem to be grouped sequentially (Yes that’s still a hint) by the assigned grades (Black Labels, 10’s 9.5’s, 9’s and 8.5’s). This suggests that either the grades are known, prior to being entered into the Beckett database or somehow renumbered (by grade) after grading. Maybe there are other reasons; 440 RCR's and still submitting the low grades to be encapsulated?

Anyone know other current or previous Beckett employees that might be willing to share some information?

You guys might have missed this but on the Beckett podcast, two employees talk about the Clemons situation.

First, the Wall St Journal reached out to BGS, I assume for the trimming stuff, although that is not made clear. Here is the statement from Jeromy Murry, VP of Grading.

"Collectors submit cards to Beckett Grading Services for an opinion on condition and authenticity. If a card measures up, appears to be authentic and has no visible signs of alteration, we assign that card a grade. This grade is formulated from our opinion based on the cards appearance and nothing else. Some people in this industry do there best to deceive collectors. Our job is to limit people from being successful, and I feel we do an excellent job."

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Here is the dialog between the two Beckett employees. They start talking about grading at 16:40. This dialog occurs at 20:00. Link: [url]https://soundcloud.com/fatpackspodcast/ep-327-project-55[/url]

Host Eric: I’ve never once seen Joe in the backroom. He is stopped at the front. And, you guys take his cards, and it’s like Fort Knox back there, you can’t just go back there.

Derek Ficken: There are multiple cameras looking at everyone at all times. There’s hand access for the vault, where only a small handful of people have. This whole inside man thing, I think is the funniest thing about this whole issue, if you want to call it. But to have an inside man, seriously there is no possible way for that to happen. Because there is so many different security steps this company has already put into place for that not to happen, you know what I mean?

Because this industry is, in my opinion, its all about money. So us as a company we make sure there is no conflict of interest by having someone come up to us, and say, “hey here’s $1000, hook me up bro.” That happens to me all the time.

Eric: I’ve seen it.

Derek Ficken: I hate it. It automatically gives you two strikes, you know what I mean? Because that is what is completely wrong with the hobby.

Eric: Absolutely. I’ve seen it at the National. I’ve seen it in Toronto.

Derek Ficken: The National is terrible.

Eric: They bring you graders food. They’ll bring money, or other gifts and they get pissed because their cards are graded in the same manner as everyone else cards are. There is a vocal minority that is being very loud right now, and it’s sad to see. It’s interesting to me because I think if the good guys will just speak up it might not be…..

Derek Ficken: Might level up little bit. I go through the comments and some of these things these guys say are just terrible. Not just things about the company, they are taking shots, personally. I’ve never seen anything like this, and so now I feel for the athletes and the people that are legit famous that have to deal with this backlash on a daily basis on social media. And that’s a reason why I don’t do social media as much as I did. Because c’mon man. You know what I mean?

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About what I would expect to hear from current BGS employees. I wonder if they have been told the secret to spotting black labels as well.

Thanks, wasn't aware of that talk.

So no actual information; they just laughed and shared their own crazy scenarios. Sounds just like some of this very topic.

[QUOTE=SCR;14748120]You guys might have missed this but on the Beckett podcast, two employees talk about the Clemons situation.

First, the Wall St Journal reached out to BGS, I assume for the trimming stuff, although that is not made clear. Here is the statement from Jeromy Murry, VP of Grading.

[B]"Collectors submit cards to Beckett Grading Services for an opinion on condition and authenticity. If a card measures up, appears to be authentic and has no visible signs of alteration, we assign that card a grade. This grade is formulated from our opinion based on the cards appearance and nothing else. Some people in this industry do there best to deceive collectors. Our job is to limit people from being successful, and I feel we do an excellent job."[/B]

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Here is the dialog between the two Beckett employees. They start talking about grading at 16:40. This dialog occurs at 20:00. Link: [url]https://soundcloud.com/fatpackspodcast/ep-327-project-55[/url]

Host Eric: I’ve never once seen Joe in the backroom. He is stopped at the front. And, you guys take his cards, and it’s like Fort Knox back there, you can’t just go back there.

Derek Ficken: There are multiple cameras looking at everyone at all times. There’s hand access for the vault, where only a small handful of people have. This whole inside man thing, I think is the funniest thing about this whole issue, if you want to call it. But to have an inside man, seriously there is no possible way for that to happen. Because there is so many different security steps this company has already put into place for that not to happen, you know what I mean?

Because this industry is, in my opinion, its all about money. So us as a company we make sure there is no conflict of interest by having someone come up to us, and say, “hey here’s $1000, hook me up bro.” That happens to me all the time.

Eric: I’ve seen it.

Derek Ficken: I hate it. It automatically gives you two strikes, you know what I mean? Because that is what is completely wrong with the hobby.

Eric: Absolutely. I’ve seen it at the National. I’ve seen it in Toronto.

Derek Ficken: The National is terrible.

Eric: They bring you graders food. They’ll bring money, or other gifts and they get pissed because their cards are graded in the same manner as everyone else cards are. There is a vocal minority that is being very loud right now, and it’s sad to see. It’s interesting to me because I think if the good guys will just speak up it might not be…..

Derek Ficken: Might level up little bit. I go through the comments and some of these things these guys say are just terrible. Not just things about the company, they are taking shots, personally. I’ve never seen anything like this, and so now I feel for the athletes and the people that are legit famous that have to deal with this backlash on a daily basis on social media. And that’s a reason why I don’t do social media as much as I did. Because c’mon man. You know what I mean?

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What a pathetic statement. Does that instill confidence in anyone?

Even though it would be pretty much impossible for them to cheat, employees of most lotteries aren't allowed to win.

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[QUOTE=SCR;14748120]You guys might have missed this but on the Beckett podcast, two employees talk about the Clemons situation.

First, the Wall St Journal reached out to BGS, I assume for the trimming stuff, although that is not made clear. Here is the statement from Jeromy Murry, VP of Grading.

"Collectors submit cards to Beckett Grading Services for an opinion on condition and authenticity. If a card measures up, appears to be authentic and has no visible signs of alteration, we assign that card a grade. This grade is formulated from our opinion based on the cards appearance and nothing else. Some people in this industry do there best to deceive collectors. Our job is to limit people from being successful, and I feel we do an excellent job."

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Here is the dialog between the two Beckett employees. They start talking about grading at 16:40. This dialog occurs at 20:00. Link: [url]https://soundcloud.com/fatpackspodcast/ep-327-project-55[/url]

Host Eric: I’ve never once seen Joe in the backroom. He is stopped at the front. And, you guys take his cards, and it’s like Fort Knox back there, you can’t just go back there.

Derek Ficken: There are multiple cameras looking at everyone at all times. There’s hand access for the vault, where only a small handful of people have. This whole inside man thing, I think is the funniest thing about this whole issue, if you want to call it. But to have an inside man, seriously there is no possible way for that to happen. Because there is so many different security steps this company has already put into place for that not to happen, you know what I mean?

Because this industry is, in my opinion, its all about money. So us as a company we make sure there is no conflict of interest by having someone come up to us, and say, “hey here’s $1000, hook me up bro.” That happens to me all the time.

Eric: I’ve seen it.

Derek Ficken: I hate it. It automatically gives you two strikes, you know what I mean? Because that is what is completely wrong with the hobby.

Eric: Absolutely. I’ve seen it at the National. I’ve seen it in Toronto.

Derek Ficken: The National is terrible.

Eric: They bring you graders food. They’ll bring money, or other gifts and they get pissed because their cards are graded in the same manner as everyone else cards are. There is a vocal minority that is being very loud right now, and it’s sad to see. It’s interesting to me because I think if the good guys will just speak up it might not be…..

Derek Ficken: Might level up little bit. I go through the comments and some of these things these guys say are just terrible. Not just things about the company, they are taking shots, personally. I’ve never seen anything like this, and so now I feel for the athletes and the people that are legit famous that have to deal with this backlash on a daily basis on social media. And that’s a reason why I don’t do social media as much as I did. Because c’mon man. You know what I mean?

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Sorry the numbers don't lie. Joe is getting hooked up.

The BGS quote/excuse in the above posts is ridiculous to the point of being obscene. Of course it's possible for the grading process to be influenced. In the simplest example, how many Josh Okogie silver prizms are dropped off for same day turn-around in a given day? Exactly one. So if Joe knows his friend/contact is one of the few people handling same day grading on a given day and his friend knows to look out for said Okogie silver (or Tiger Gallery or whatever cards he's been given the heads up on), it's an incredibly easy system to game. The fact that some cards have serial numbers make it even easier.

BGS can very simply determine if there is something amiss via the following analyses:

1) Aggregate all submissions over a given time period by submitter. Complete a scatterplot with # of submissions as size of bubble, % of 10 grades on x axis and % of Black Label on y axis. Look to see if anyone else is by Joe's bubble or if it's sitting out in the far right corner by itself (spoiler...it's the latter). For extra credit they can run the standard deviation analysis laid out in post 2015 to see just how ridiculous and unlikely his results are, but honestly just looking at the scatterplot will be enough to tell any business leader that something is wrong.

2) Group Joe's submissions by BGS grader. While not listed on the slab I'm sure BGS systems keep track of who graded what card. Compare % of 10 grades and % of Black label grades by grader. If you'd like, create a similar scatterplot to the one described above, but using only Joe's cards and sorting by individual grader (same axes). If there is a huge variance by grader, you have your inside man. As extra credit you could compare each grader's results for Joe's submissions with their grades for everyone except Joe and see how consistent each individual grader is.

These are incredibly simple analyses and would take any half decent analyst in the org a few hours or less to complete. BGS has almost certainly conducted this analysis. They almost certainly have figured out the whole story internally by now. The real question is if they will receive enough pressure to force them to go public with what they know.

[QUOTE=SCR;14748120]You guys might have missed this but on the Beckett podcast, two employees talk about the Clemons situation.

First, the Wall St Journal reached out to BGS, I assume for the trimming stuff, although that is not made clear. Here is the statement from Jeromy Murry, VP of Grading.

"Collectors submit cards to Beckett Grading Services for an opinion on condition and authenticity. If a card measures up, appears to be authentic and has no visible signs of alteration, we assign that card a grade. This grade is formulated from our opinion based on the cards appearance and nothing else. Some people in this industry do there best to deceive collectors. Our job is to limit people from being successful, and I feel we do an excellent job."

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Here is the dialog between the two Beckett employees. They start talking about grading at 16:40. This dialog occurs at 20:00. Link: [url]https://soundcloud.com/fatpackspodcast/ep-327-project-55[/url]

Host Eric: I’ve never once seen Joe in the backroom. He is stopped at the front. And, you guys take his cards, and it’s like Fort Knox back there, you can’t just go back there.

Derek Ficken: There are multiple cameras looking at everyone at all times. There’s hand access for the vault, where only a small handful of people have. This whole inside man thing, I think is the funniest thing about this whole issue, if you want to call it. But to have an inside man, seriously there is no possible way for that to happen. Because there is so many different security steps this company has already put into place for that not to happen, you know what I mean?

Because this industry is, in my opinion, its all about money. So us as a company we make sure there is no conflict of interest by having someone come up to us, and say, [B]“hey here’s $1000, hook me up bro.” That happens to me all the time.

Eric: I’ve seen it.
[/B]
Derek Ficken: I hate it. It automatically gives you two strikes, you know what I mean? Because that is what is completely wrong with the hobby.

Eric: Absolutely. I’ve seen it at the National. I’ve seen it in Toronto.

Derek Ficken: The National is terrible.

Eric: They bring you graders food. They’ll bring money, or other gifts and they get pissed because their cards are graded in the same manner as everyone else cards are. There is a vocal minority that is being very loud right now, and it’s sad to see. It’s interesting to me because I think if the good guys will just speak up it might not be…..

Derek Ficken: Might level up little bit. I go through the comments and some of these things these guys say are just terrible. Not just things about the company, they are taking shots, personally. I’ve never seen anything like this, and so now I feel for the athletes and the people that are legit famous that have to deal with this backlash on a daily basis on social media. And that’s a reason why I don’t do social media as much as I did. Because c’mon man. You know what I mean?

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:coffee::coffee::coffee:

[QUOTE=SCR;14748120]You guys might have missed this but on the Beckett podcast, two employees talk about the Clemons situation.

First, the Wall St Journal reached out to BGS, I assume for the trimming stuff, although that is not made clear. Here is the statement from Jeromy Murry, VP of Grading.

"Collectors submit cards to Beckett Grading Services for an opinion on condition and authenticity. If a card measures up, appears to be authentic and has no visible signs of alteration, we assign that card a grade. This grade is formulated from our opinion based on the cards appearance and nothing else. Some people in this industry do there best to deceive collectors. Our job is to limit people from being successful, and I feel we do an excellent job."

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Here is the dialog between the two Beckett employees. They start talking about grading at 16:40. This dialog occurs at 20:00. Link: [url]https://soundcloud.com/fatpackspodcast/ep-327-project-55[/url]

Host Eric: I’ve never once seen Joe in the backroom. He is stopped at the front. And, you guys take his cards, and it’s like Fort Knox back there, you can’t just go back there.

[B]Derek Ficken: There are multiple cameras looking at everyone at all times. There’s hand access for the vault, where only a small handful of people have. This whole inside man thing, I think is the funniest thing about this whole issue, if you want to call it. But to have an inside man, seriously there is no possible way for that to happen. Because there is so many different security steps this company has already put into place for that not to happen, you know what I mean? [/B]

Because this industry is, in my opinion, its all about money. So us as a company we make sure there is no conflict of interest by having someone come up to us, and say, “hey here’s $1000, hook me up bro.” That happens to me all the time.

Eric: I’ve seen it.

Derek Ficken: I hate it. It automatically gives you two strikes, you know what I mean? Because that is what is completely wrong with the hobby.

Eric: Absolutely. I’ve seen it at the National. I’ve seen it in Toronto.

Derek Ficken: The National is terrible.

[B]Eric: They bring you graders food. They’ll bring money, or other gifts and they get pissed because their cards are graded in the same manner as everyone else cards are.[/B] There is a vocal minority that is being very loud right now, and it’s sad to see. It’s interesting to me because I think if the good guys will just speak up it might not be…..

Derek Ficken: Might level up little bit. I go through the comments and some of these things these guys say are just terrible. Not just things about the company, they are taking shots, personally. I’ve never seen anything like this, and so now I feel for the athletes and the people that are legit famous that have to deal with this backlash on a daily basis on social media. And that’s a reason why I don’t do social media as much as I did. Because c’mon man. You know what I mean?

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Sure at the headquarters... but what about a former employee who works the shows? I still think it's possible to believe he's getting preferential treatment when the grader knows exactly which cards are his. And he's getting BGS 10's by the hundreds possibly thousands.

They didn't address that possible loophole in the RCR scenario except laugh it off and say "oh some people bring us food and offer us money at the shows"

I think that's where the majority of the scheme is taking place. It's not like Fort Knox at the shows.

A true test would be for Joe to give me his cards and i'll drop them off under my name.

Then if he still gets back an astronomically high amount of BGS 10's i will concede Joe has an eagle eye.

I suspect he would be pissed because the numbers of 10's will come down to earth like a normal person.

[QUOTE=SCR;14748120]You guys might have missed this but on the Beckett podcast, two employees talk about the Clemons situation.

First, the Wall St Journal reached out to BGS, I assume for the trimming stuff, although that is not made clear. Here is the statement from Jeromy Murry, VP of Grading.

"Collectors submit cards to Beckett Grading Services for an opinion on condition and authenticity. If a card measures up, appears to be authentic and has no visible signs of alteration, we assign that card a grade. This grade is formulated from our opinion based on the cards appearance and nothing else. Some people in this industry do there best to deceive collectors. Our job is to limit people from being successful, and I feel we do an excellent job."

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Here is the dialog between the two Beckett employees. They start talking about grading at 16:40. This dialog occurs at 20:00. Link: [url]https://soundcloud.com/fatpackspodcast/ep-327-project-55[/url]

Host Eric: I’ve never once seen Joe in the backroom. He is stopped at the front. And, you guys take his cards, and it’s like Fort Knox back there, you can’t just go back there.

Derek Ficken: There are multiple cameras looking at everyone at all times. There’s hand access for the vault, where only a small handful of people have. This whole inside man thing, I think is the funniest thing about this whole issue, if you want to call it. But to have an inside man, seriously there is no possible way for that to happen. Because there is so many different security steps this company has already put into place for that not to happen, you know what I mean?

Because this industry is, in my opinion, its all about money. So us as a company we make sure there is no conflict of interest by having someone come up to us, and say, “hey here’s $1000, hook me up bro.” That happens to me all the time.

Eric: I’ve seen it.

Derek Ficken: I hate it. It automatically gives you two strikes, you know what I mean? Because that is what is completely wrong with the hobby.

Eric: Absolutely. I’ve seen it at the National. I’ve seen it in Toronto.

Derek Ficken: The National is terrible.

Eric: They bring you graders food. They’ll bring money, or other gifts and they get pissed because their cards are graded in the same manner as everyone else cards are. There is a vocal minority that is being very loud right now, and it’s sad to see. It’s interesting to me because I think if the good guys will just speak up it might not be…..

Derek Ficken: Might level up little bit. I go through the comments and some of these things these guys say are just terrible. Not just things about the company, they are taking shots, personally. I’ve never seen anything like this, and so now I feel for the athletes and the people that are legit famous that have to deal with this backlash on a daily basis on social media. And that’s a reason why I don’t do social media as much as I did. Because c’mon man. You know what I mean?

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Cute little puff piece.

i think its totally possible to "tip off" the graders based on actual cards within the submission

if i am subbing three 2018 TCU Betts', whos order is it?

if i am subbing a 100 card order with a 2018 TCU Lindor in it, whos order is it?

just saying.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14748505]i think its totally possible to "tip off" the graders based on actual cards within the submission

if i am subbing three 2018 TCU Betts', whos order is it?

if i am subbing a 100 card order with a 2018 TCU Lindor in it, whos order is it?

just saying.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing. Another poster mentioned this awhile back also.
Hell if I am going to look for it tho.....

[QUOTE=cardmole;14748391]:coffee::coffee::coffee:[/QUOTE]

What are you trying to say? It's common knowledge that BGS graders are above reproach.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14748505]i think its totally possible to "tip off" the graders based on actual cards within the submission

if i am subbing three 2018 TCU Betts', whos order is it?

if i am subbing a 100 card order with a 2018 TCU Lindor in it, whos order is it?

just saying.[/QUOTE]That's what I've been thinking. The odd card submissions could be signals to let the grader know who's cards he's grading.

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In regards to the statements in the podcast, as well as Joe and others who claim "there's no way anyone could subvert the super secure grading process," below is something another Blowout member shared with me anonymously. Make of it what you will.

"I live in the DFW area so I generally go drop off my cards and pick them up later. I do not do the 1 day service but generally whatever the cheapest so I have been to their office.

Basically this is my story which now seems even more odd after reading this thread from when I saw it.

I went to go pick up a card that was ready on April 22nd. I left work early that day and arrived at BGS a little after 3. I tried their intercom buzzer but no luck. I tried calling the numbers they had on the flyer in the foyer but no one picked up. I tried calling their main CS number and their call center picked up and said they would try emailing Derek Ficken to open the door. They had no one in the front to let me in. (If you are unfamiliar with BGS HQ there if the little foyer where you sign in and use the intercom to call out the front desk person and then there is another locked door that lets you into their lobby. There is only glass windows so you can see into the lobby from the foyer)

So I was told to wait and someone would be out to let me in. I waited around 15 minutes I tried the intercom again and no one picked up. I waited a few more minutes and then I see a truck pull up in front of the building. And a few seconds later a guy comes out from the back office and opens the lobby door and lets me in. I said I had been waiting out there for about 20 minutes, he said why didnt you use the intercom? I said I did multiple times didnt work. He said sorry I am just a grader here and he would get another guy to help me. He asked what I was here for I said to pick up a card and he said ok.

While I waiting the guy that was in the truck came inside and handed over a bunch of cards and a baseball bat to the grader. They were super friendly which each other and the grader said we will get these taken care of and took the items into the back. Two other guys came out from the back, one looked to be an IT guy who went to go work on the intercom and the other guy asked me how he could help me and I said I was here to pick up and the other guy got my card for me and I signed off on the pick up form.

I have no idea who the collector or grader was I wasn't paying attention enough to get names. The only reason why I knew this was a grader who came out was because he told me he was a grader and couldn't help me. But I was lucky that collector did show up because this collector called the grader letting him know he was there so he could come out and collect his stuff. Otherwise I probably would have been there much longer and most likely would have needed to come back a different day to get my card.

After reading through some not all of the thread here I just realized yeah I did see somebody hand stuff directly over to a grader in person. I didnt stick around after getting my card to see if the guy came back out and filled out forms or anything like that. It didnt even dawn on me the ramifications of something like that since I barely grade items.

I just figured he was a guy who knew the grader since he submitted so much. I am sure there are a lot of collectors in the DFW that submit a ton to BGS because of the local convenience. The other times I've gone to their office to pick up/drop off there were other people there with a ton of cards to submit as well.

Anyways just thought I would share this story - you can share it with others as needed."

If Beckett is looking, maybe they can explain this on the next podcast?

Two completely different (but similar) card population reports.

[url]https://www.beckett.com/grading/set_item_listing_grade?set_id=330597801&price_item_id=15456139&item_attr_id=0&final_grade=all&limit=500[/url]
I don't think any of these have been linked to Joe.
While in sequential order (several decent sized submissions), the card grades (sub grades and final grades) move around, like any normal submission. Nothing unusual.


[url]https://www.beckett.com/grading/set_item_listing_grade?set_id=330597801&price_item_id=15456135&item_attr_id=0&final_grade=all&limit=500[/url]
This card has been linked to Joe.

Starting with the first serial number, this appears to be like any normal submission: Sequential order, the card grades move around due to unique differences.
[B]Where this order (linked to Joe, all from May 23rd) starts to look strange, is when Joe's "advantage" start being added to the database: (Serial# 10564582 - 10565026)
Not only are these cards listed by final grade, they are also sorted by matching sub-grades. This is just not possible, with all of the "security" measures that are supposedly in place.[/B] [B]To be entered into the Beckett system, the proper cards need to be assigned to the correct person. [/B]

At the completion of this May 23rd order, the rest of the grades in the population report appear once again resume to be normal, [B]until Joe's next submission (10607546-10607551 ) with the only other 3 Black Labels (Joe is linked to all 31). Once again these 6 cards are sorted, not only by the final grades but those have identical sub grades.[/B]

Eric and Derek probably make the big boss at Beckett proud.

Beckett was purchased by Greg Lindberg’s company in 2008, more than 10 years ago.

A couple months ago Greg Lindberg was charged in a huge political bribery case: [url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-carolina-gop-chairman-others-indicted-on-federal-bribery-and-wire-fraud-charges[/url]

“Hayes, Lindberg and his two associates are accused of trying to sway an insurance regulator’s decisions in favor of the donor’s insurance companies. Federal prosecutors said that the four individuals promised or gave Republican Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey [B]millions of campaign dollars to do things Lindberg wanted, including seeking the removal of a deputy insurance commissioner responsible for oversight of one of Lindberg’s businesses[/B].”

Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

That is the guy who owns Beckett. That is who you must rely on to protect the integrity of the BGS name.

At this point I have lost all respect for BGS slabs. YMMV

[QUOTE=TomRacer;14748767]Eric and Derek probably make the big boss at Beckett proud.

Beckett was purchased by Greg Lindberg’s company in 2008, more than 10 years ago.

A couple months ago Greg Lindberg was charged in a huge political bribery case: [url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-carolina-gop-chairman-others-indicted-on-federal-bribery-and-wire-fraud-charges[/url]

“Hayes, Lindberg and his two associates are accused of trying to sway an insurance regulator’s decisions in favor of the donor’s insurance companies. Federal prosecutors said that the four individuals promised or gave Republican Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey [B]millions of campaign dollars to do things Lindberg wanted, including seeking the removal of a deputy insurance commissioner responsible for oversight of one of Lindberg’s businesses[/B].”

Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

That is the guy who owns Beckett. That is who you must rely on to protect the integrity of the BGS name.

At this point I have lost all respect for BGS slabs. YMMV[/QUOTE]

Sounds familiar. I can't think of exactly what it reminds me of though :rolleyes:

Why didn't prospect rush video the KB drawing?

[QUOTE=lisu;14741386]This is for Leaf I think for the buyback programs.[/QUOTE]

These cards are NOT for me.
I am handling all buybacks for Leaf...
(you can feel free to reach out to me directly if you have graded rookeis for sale $50-200.)
BG