[QUOTE=kyaa;14761929]I did some more research and want to shed light on some other suspicious eBay accounts. Here is data from Terapeak on the top sellers of Black Labels, their quantity of Black Labels, BGS 10s, and 9.5s, along with analysis of each account.

[B]Seller[/B]
[B]wjc75056 (Joe) BL: 196 BGS 10: 539 BGS 9.5: 651[/B]

Probstein123 BL: 164 BGS 10: 1,728 BGS 9.5: 17,797

Pwcc_auctions BL: 159 BGS 10: 1,232 BGS 9.5: 7,236

[B]eeobe08 BL: 85 BGS 10: 97 BGS 9.5: 143[/B]
[I]
nogumjustcards BL: 33 BGS 10: 264 BGS 9.5: 482[/I]

[B]lbj2016 BL: 29 BGS 10: < 10 BGS 9.5: 62[/B]

w***y BL: 26 BGS 10: 87 BGS 9.5: 772

ruffelton4 BL: 25 BGS 10: < 10 BGS 9.5: 127

[B]fanaticinvestments BL: 20 BGS 10: < 10 BGS 9.5: < 50[/B]

I believe the 4 unbolded accounts are legitimate and not receiving artificially inflated grades from BGS. The italicized account, nogumjustcards, is interesting. There is a large percentage of 10s and Black Labels to 9.5s, and the seller's location is less than 10 miles from BGS headquarters. However, they seem to do a lot of grading and get a higher % of 9.5s than some of these others. Wouldn’t shock me if they had a “the more you grade the better your grades” deal though. But it is the other 4 accounts that deserve attention.

[B]Wjc75056 is Joe.[/B] If you’re following this thread you know he is a former BGS employee with absurd, and in my opinion, illegitimate BGS submission results. As you can see, he sells the most Black Labels on eBay, more than the two biggest consigners. And he also has a troubling amount of BGS 10s. Taken together, he seems to have more BGS 10 and Black Labels than BGS 9.5s or lower.

[B]Eeobe08 [/B] is another account with more Black Labels and 10s than 9.5s. The account also seems to be linked to Joe since Eeobe08 bids on a lot of cards connected to Joe, or buys Joe’s cards and then resells them on eBay almost instantly. Suspicious to say the least. Read some of HBMC’s posts in this thread for more info.

[B]LBJ2016[/B] is another suspicious account. Not only is there a high percentage of Black Labels, but some of the Black Labels recently sold through this account can be linked to Joe, like this Juan Soto card, which is only 2 serial numbers away from a Casey Mize card Joe recently sold. [url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Juan-Soto-Rc-Black-Label-Bgs-2018-Bowman-Washington-Pristine-10-Topps-Rookie/163650316312?hash=item261a51a818:g:2gYAAOSwRRJcs~5B[/url]

[B]Fanaticinvestments [/B]currently has 9 cards for sale on eBay. 6 are Black Labels. [url]https://www.ebay.com/sch/fanaticinvestments/m.html?item=254230727146&hash=item3b315509ea%3Ag%3AjZ0AAOSw9ZZc2gto&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562[/url]
The only two recent sales are both Black Labels, one of which was a part of a submission we have linked to Joe: [url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Bowmans-Best-Top-Prospects-Vladimir-Guerrero-Jr-BGS-10-Black-Label-Pristine-/254226087546?hash=item3b310e3e7a%3Ag%3AuaIAAOSwfTlc1MJp&nma=true&si=4ThO1WAYopDnBiO%252FLQ1%252FfddZqUo%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]
This account was relatively dormant for a year but now seems to be active again, almost as if it’s a new channel through which to sell some of these cards with questionable grades.

So to summarize, out of the top 9 sellers of Black Labels (and often, BGS 10s) on eBay in the past year:

4 of the accounts can be linked to Joe Clemons.
1 account that I'd call questionable.
2 are consigners, through whom we know Joe has sold cards.
Only 2 appear to be legitimate with nothing out of the ordinary going on.

Curious to hear from others, but personally, I think this is even more evidence that people should be skeptical before buying any Black Label or BGS 10, and especially in paying a premium for them. So many of them seem to originate with Joe or another account closely linked to him. Others sold though Probstein or PWCC may have been Joe’s originally. There is just no reason to believe that BGS 10s or Black Labels are “earned” grades, and that the cards are perceptibly better than 9.5s at all. Buyer beware.[/QUOTE]

Here's another seller who has sold multiple cards that Joe graded which are listed in post #1:

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With private bidding and a nice variety of things for sale, this could be another avenue.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/VLADIMIR-GUERRERO-Quad-10-S-Black-Label-BGS-10-PRISTINE-2017-BOWMAN-S-BEST-TOP/273876639970?hash=item3fc451e0e2:g:Ra8AAOSwVZBc928r[/url]

[QUOTE=HBMC;14762232]Here's another seller who has sold multiple cards that Joe graded which are listed in post #1:

art_books_cards_coins_more

With private bidding and a nice variety of things for sale, this could be another avenue.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/VLADIMIR-GUERRERO-Quad-10-S-Black-Label-BGS-10-PRISTINE-2017-BOWMAN-S-BEST-TOP/273876639970?hash=item3fc451e0e2:g:Ra8AAOSwVZBc928r[/url][/QUOTE]

Taking pictures of cards to sell and that "World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting" on the back of BGS labels really tilts me now.

"I have an eye for Black Labels" said no one ever. It's not hard to look at cards under magnification and angle them to check the surface. Joe is a scammer.

[QUOTE=kyaa;14761929]

[B]Eeobe08 [/B] is another account with more Black Labels and 10s than 9.5s. The account also seems to be linked to Joe since Eeobe08 bids on a lot of cards connected to Joe, or buys Joe’s cards and then resells them on eBay almost instantly. Suspicious to say the least. Read some of HBMC’s posts in this thread for more info.
[/QUOTE]

Eeobe08 and nogumjustcards [B](Carrollton, Texas and original seller of these cards) [/B]look really, really similar to an individual being discussed within this forum.

Not only the same types of cards but also the same sequential pattern of grades. Black Labels, 10's.....Even the MTG 0.0 grades make an appearance.

[B]↓ This looks like a real possibility, with the run that I found this morning.[/B]

[QUOTE=superdan49;14757801]Those who compiled data on Joe's submissions: there were a ton of serial numbers between Joe's BGS 10 cards that were Magic the Gathering cards graded 0.0, meaning Authentic. I do not believe this has a thing to do with Joe himself, [B]but the question must be asked: [B]do Beckett graders have special serial numbers they use for atypical or potentially fraudulent cards/orders?[/B][/B]
[/QUOTE]



[B]Tuesday, May 07, 2019 cards are bold, all BGS 10 and surrounded by 0.0 graded cards [/B]

11332548 – 11332574 is full of MTG 0.0 grades (not date listed in the database)
11332575- 11332586 is full of 0.0 graded sports cards (mostly vintage football and baseball) May 10, 2018

11332587- May 8, 2018 2018 Panini Flawless Patch Autographs Silver Patrick Mahomes II/20 BGS 9.5/10 auto

[B]11332588 - 2018 Topps On Demand Black and White Shohei Ohtani BGS 10 (BL)
11332589 - 2017 Bowman’s Best Ref Cody Bellinger BGS 10 (BL) [url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cody-Bellinger-2017-Bowmans-Best-Refractor-Rookie-RC-POP1-BGS-10-BLACK-DODGERS-/233240664693?hash=item364e3a1a75%3Ag%3AoOwAAOSwbYdc7Vfj&nma=true&si=sA%252BsS13LDaWDseptBIP5HmAW22U%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

11332591 - 2017 Bowman Chrome Cody Bellinger RC BGS 10 (BL) - [B]
Originally sold by nogumjustcards - Carrollton, Texas[/B]
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-BOWMAN-CHROME-CODY-BELLINGER-RC-BLACK-LABEL-BGS-10-14936-/153495913889?hash=item23bd11c5a1%3Ag%3AmzIAAOSw6jZc4qGM&nma=true&si=sA%252BsS13LDaWDseptBIP5HmAW22U%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

Sold again by Eeobe08 - Lambertville, New Jersey
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cody-Bellinger-2017-Bowman-Chrome-Rookie-RC-POP-3-BGS-10-BLACK-LABEL-DODGERS-/233240663054?hash=item364e3a140e%3Ag%3AL5AAAOSwcapc7Vch&nma=true&si=sA%252BsS13LDaWDseptBIP5HmAW22U%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

11332592 - 2018 Topps Chrome Miguel Andujar RC BGS 10 (BL)
11332593 - 2016 Topps Chrome Mike Trout BGS 10 (BL)
11332594 - 2016 Topps Chrome Prism Ref Trea Turner BGS 10 (BL)[/B]

11332595 – May 10, 2019 0.0 grade

[B]11332596 - 2017 Topps Allen and Ginter Andrew Benintendi RC BGS 10
Originally sold by nogumjustcards - Carrollton, Texas
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-ALLEN-AND-GINTER-ANDREW-BENINTENDI-RC-BLACK-LABEL-BGS-10-14933/153495902326?hash=item23bd119876:g:uIEAAOSw8sJc4pxc(BL[/url])
For sale by Eeobe08 - Lambertville, New Jersey
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Andrew-Benintendi-POP-1-2017-Topps-Allen-Ginter-Rookie-RC-BGS-10-BLACK-RED-SOX/233240666133?hash=item364e3a2015:g:NXkAAOSwFWxc7VjT[/url][/B]

11332597 – May 10, 2019 0.0 grade

[B]11332598 – 2018 Topps Chrome Shohei Ohtani RC BGS 10
11332599 – 2013 Finest Green Anthon Rendon BGS 10
11332600 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Ronald Acuna BGS 10[/B]

11332601 – May 8, 2018 2018 Panini Contenders Cracked Ice Sam Darnold BGS 9.5/10 auto

11332602 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

[B]11332603 – 2018 Topps On Demand Black and White Juan Soto BGS 10
11332604 - 2018 Bowman Chrome National Convention Prism Refractors Shohei Ohtani BGS 10 [/B]

11332602 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

[B]11332606 – 2018 Topps High Tek Lightning Derek Jeter BGS 10
11332607 – 2018 Topps Chrome Pink Ref Mitch Haniger BGS 10 [/B]

11332608 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade
11332609 – May 8, 2018 2018 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Jarred Kelenic BGS 9.5/10 auto

[B]11332610 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Cody Bellinger BGS 10
11332611 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Cody Bellinger BGS 10 [/B]

11332612 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

[B]11332613 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Kyle Wright BGS 10
11332614 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Kyle Wright BGS 10
11332615 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Adam Haseley BGS 10[/B]

11332612 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

Likely goes on but this establishes a clear pattern.

Kyaa or someone else with some free time. This is the submission linked to Joe in the OP, from the very next day (May 8th, 2018). Might be one to take another look at, to see if other patterns appear.

[QUOTE=kyaa;14720448]

[B]05/08/19
11334005 2018 Topps Opening Day Jack Flaherty Black Label
11334006 2010 Bowman Prospects Anthony Rizzo Black Label
11334007 2018 Topps Rainbow Foil Harrison Bader Black Label
11334008 2018 Topps Update Gleyber Torres Black Label[/B]
11334009 2018 Topps Gallery Juan Soto BGS 10
11334010 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto BGS 10
[B]11334090 2018 Topps Chrome Update Gleyber Torres Black Label
11334091 2018 Topps Chrome Update Michael Soroka Black Label
11334093 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rafael Devers Black Label
11334095 2018 Bowman Chrome Trending Fernando Tatis Jr. Black Label
11334096 2017 Bowman’s Best Jo Adell Black Label
11334097 2017 Bowman’s Best Jo Adell Black Label
11334100 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rhys Hoskins Black Label
11334101 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rhys Hoskins Black Label
11334102 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label
11334103 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label
11334104 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label[/B]

[/QUOTE]

Now is the time to roll or else.....Bubba's gonna luv you

[youtube]BUjUz_QEh48[/youtube]

Oddly enough when you search for nogumjustcards

This comes up:
Fraud becoming major problem In sports trading card industry
No Gum Just Cards store in Yaphank, N.Y

[url]https://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/06/01/Fraud-becoming-major-problem-In-sports-trading-card-industryPARA/7844675748800/[/url]

This nogumjustcards, even made a Blowout thread.
Cards stolen at the National - Blowout Cards Forums
[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=923749[/url]

[QUOTE=auburn35;14764108]Oddly enough when you search for nogumjustcards

This comes up:
Fraud becoming major problem In sports trading card industry
No Gum Just Cards store in Yaphank, N.Y

[url]https://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/06/01/Fraud-becoming-major-problem-In-sports-trading-card-industryPARA/7844675748800/[/url][/QUOTE]

And that article is older than many members here. Some things never change.

And No Gum Just Cards had an interesting situation with a storage unit robbery. I wonder if anything is available on that issue. IIRC, that was worse than the thing mentioned in the 1990's stories

Rich

[QUOTE=superdan49;14733420]The following are the results of my inquiry into BO Member WJCIII's Beckett account.

11334005 Baseball 2018 Topps Opening Day Jack Flaherty RC
11334006 Baseball 2010 Bowman Prospects Anthony Rizzo
11334007 Baseball 2018 Topps Rainbow Foil Harrison Bader[/QUOTE]

As these were pulled from Joe's account, I thought it would be worth looking at.
11333887-11334004 (card right before Joe's order starts at 11334005) appear to be 117 completely blank serial numbers (no record) in the Beckett database.

The cards following 1133407 (Last card that was allowed to be shared from Joe's account) appear like Joe's other orders that have been shared. BGS 10's in sequential order, surrounded by a mess of 0.0 graded cards from different dates.

Beckett...the more we look, the more we find out.
Your voice (Beckett podcast) was really silent yesterday.....Are these "customers", really worth destroying your grading reputation,credibility....?

Are these 117 numbers blanks like the authentic MTG cards were or actual blanks reserved for future cards from some of their "preferred" customers?

[QUOTE=Saraste;14764940]Are these 117 numbers blanks like the authentic MTG cards were or actual blanks reserved for future cards from some of their "preferred" customers?[/QUOTE]

Not like the MTG 0.0 cards, as those at least displayed information. These come up blank. Examples of each.

What they mean: Orders still processing, on hold for future use, just skipped,....Beckett can answer that. Just really suspicious, along with everything else that's been discovered.

For anyone wanting to do some exploration.
[url]https://www.beckett.com/grading/card-lookup[/url]

Another day, another puzzling string of BGS serial numbers:

11383748 2017 Topps On Demand 600 Home Run Club Aaron Judge BGS 10 Black Label
11383749 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383750 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383751 2017 Topps On Demand 600 Home Run Club Aaron Judge BGS 10 Black Label
11383752 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383753 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383754 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383755 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383756 2017 Topps Now Rafael Devers BGS 10 Black Label
11383757 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383758 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383759 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0
11383760 Magic the Gathering Card 0.0

Just another string of consecutively numbered Black Labels and MTG cards. The Bellinger and Judge were recently listed by eBay user eeobe08, who as identified yetersday, is one of the only users on eBay besides Joe with more BGS 10s and Black Labels for sale than BGS 9.5s or lower. This order was dated 5/30/19, just two weeks ago.

[QUOTE=auburn35;14765074]Not like the MTG 0.0 cards, as those at least displayed information. These come up blank. Examples of each.

What they mean: Orders still processing, on hold for future use, just skipped,....Beckett can answer that. Just really suspicious, along with everything else that's been discovered.

For anyone wanting to do some exploration.
[url]https://www.beckett.com/grading/card-lookup[/url][/QUOTE]

I’m pretty sure when I was going through the list I posted there were cards also like this, I would have to go back and double check, assuming the information hasn’t been switched

Well, at least Beckett finally stepped in and took responsibility for what was going on. Glad they made the difficult choice.

[QUOTE=mrbasepauly;14766038]Well, at least Beckett finally stepped in and took responsibility for what was going on. Glad they made the difficult choice.[/QUOTE]

Where did they comment or respond?

[QUOTE=LEAF;14724870]UGH!

These aren't my cards. He has to decide which of his private/personal information to share.

Could useful information be gleaned from the sharing of more data? Likely but who knows

Will it tell the whole story? Unlikely but who knows

BG[/QUOTE]

Really?

I wonder what anecdotal (I think that's the word you have been tossing around) evidence will be discovered today?

First person to ask nicely and I will reveal that evidence.:popcorn:

[QUOTE=auburn35;14766837]Really?

I wonder what anecdotal (I think that's the word you have been tossing around) evidence will be discovered today?

First person to ask nicely and I will reveal that evidence.:popcorn:[/QUOTE]

I would love to see additional anecdotal evidence please.

[QUOTE=LEAF;14724103] I am hoping to aid all involved in finding the truthful end to this speculation... Let’s get to the truth....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LEAF;14723999]You guys will believe what you believe.
I only hope real proof comes out that clears this up one way or the other.
I believe it will.
BG[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LEAF;14725060]As soon as someone mentioned Leaf, I felt obligated to address concerns.
As I've said, I cannot speak for Joe's personal business. I can only speak for my brand. BG[/QUOTE]

[B]Lets refer back to the information that I shared yesterday, regarding a grading submission that is nearly identical to that which has been attributed to Joe Clemons (Former Beckett and current Leaf Trading Cards employee/contractor)[/B]

[QUOTE=auburn35;14763884] [B]nogumjustcards[/B] [B](Carrollton, Texas and original seller of these cards) [/B]look really, really similar to an individual being discussed within this forum.

Not only the same types of cards but also the same sequential pattern of grades. Black Labels, 10's.....Even the MTG 0.0 grades make an appearance.

[B]Tuesday, May 07, 2019 cards are bold, all BGS 10 and surrounded by 0.0 graded cards [/B]

11332548 – 11332574 is full of MTG 0.0 grades (not date listed in the database)
11332575- 11332586 is full of 0.0 graded sports cards (mostly vintage football and baseball) May 10, 2018

11332587- May 8, 2018 2018 Panini Flawless Patch Autographs Silver Patrick Mahomes II/20 BGS 9.5/10 auto

[B]11332588 - 2018 Topps On Demand Black and White Shohei Ohtani BGS 10 (BL)
11332589 - 2017 Bowman’s Best Ref Cody Bellinger BGS 10 (BL) [url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cody-Bellinger-2017-Bowmans-Best-Refractor-Rookie-RC-POP1-BGS-10-BLACK-DODGERS-/233240664693?hash=item364e3a1a75%3Ag%3AoOwAAOSwbYdc7Vfj&nma=true&si=sA%252BsS13LDaWDseptBIP5HmAW22U%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

11332591 - 2017 Bowman Chrome Cody Bellinger RC BGS 10 (BL) - [B]
Originally sold by nogumjustcards - Carrollton, Texas[/B]
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-BOWMAN-CHROME-CODY-BELLINGER-RC-BLACK-LABEL-BGS-10-14936-/153495913889?hash=item23bd11c5a1%3Ag%3AmzIAAOSw6jZc4qGM&nma=true&si=sA%252BsS13LDaWDseptBIP5HmAW22U%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

Sold again by Eeobe08 - Lambertville, New Jersey
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cody-Bellinger-2017-Bowman-Chrome-Rookie-RC-POP-3-BGS-10-BLACK-LABEL-DODGERS-/233240663054?hash=item364e3a140e%3Ag%3AL5AAAOSwcapc7Vch&nma=true&si=sA%252BsS13LDaWDseptBIP5HmAW22U%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

11332592 - 2018 Topps Chrome Miguel Andujar RC BGS 10 (BL)
11332593 - 2016 Topps Chrome Mike Trout BGS 10 (BL)
11332594 - 2016 Topps Chrome Prism Ref Trea Turner BGS 10 (BL)[/B]

11332595 – May 10, 2019 0.0 grade

[B]11332596 - 2017 Topps Allen and Ginter Andrew Benintendi RC BGS 10
Originally sold by nogumjustcards - Carrollton, Texas
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-ALLEN-AND-GINTER-ANDREW-BENINTENDI-RC-BLACK-LABEL-BGS-10-14933/153495902326?hash=item23bd119876:g:uIEAAOSw8sJc4pxc(BL[/url])
For sale by Eeobe08 - Lambertville, New Jersey
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Andrew-Benintendi-POP-1-2017-Topps-Allen-Ginter-Rookie-RC-BGS-10-BLACK-RED-SOX/233240666133?hash=item364e3a2015:g:NXkAAOSwFWxc7VjT[/url][/B]

11332597 – May 10, 2019 0.0 grade

[B]11332598 – 2018 Topps Chrome Shohei Ohtani RC BGS 10
11332599 – 2013 Finest Green Anthon Rendon BGS 10
11332600 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Ronald Acuna BGS 10[/B]

11332601 – May 8, 2018 2018 Panini Contenders Cracked Ice Sam Darnold BGS 9.5/10 auto

11332602 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

[B]11332603 – 2018 Topps On Demand Black and White Juan Soto BGS 10
11332604 - 2018 Bowman Chrome National Convention Prism Refractors Shohei Ohtani BGS 10 [/B]

11332602 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

[B]11332606 – 2018 Topps High Tek Lightning Derek Jeter BGS 10
11332607 – 2018 Topps Chrome Pink Ref Mitch Haniger BGS 10 [/B]

11332608 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade
11332609 – May 8, 2018 2018 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Jarred Kelenic BGS 9.5/10 auto

[B]11332610 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Cody Bellinger BGS 10
11332611 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Cody Bellinger BGS 10 [/B]

11332612 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

[B]11332613 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Kyle Wright BGS 10
11332614 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Kyle Wright BGS 10
11332615 – 2017 Bowman Chrome Adam Haseley BGS 10[/B]

11332612 – May 10, 2018 0.0 Grade

Likely goes on but this establishes a clear pattern.
[/QUOTE]


[B]So if these cards don't belong to Joe, even though they have nearly identical grading patterns (types of cards, sequential groupings....) but are being submitted and sold by nogumjustcards, I wonder who owns that account and if they also have legendary grading abilities?[/B]
[QUOTE=LEAF;14724870]UGH!

These aren't my cards. He has to decide which of his private/personal information to share.

Could useful information be gleaned from the sharing of more data? Likely but who knows

Will it tell the whole story? Unlikely but who knows

BG[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LEAF;14721509]I am not an expert on these cards
BG[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LEAF;14734021] I can tell you that Joe could join PSA or BGS today as a Senior grader immediately. I have to allow some variance for a senior grader level person grading.
Brian[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LEAF;14721462]I have read it all now and again, I am taking no position on these orders as they do not involve me or Leaf.
BG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LEAF;14722143]Leaf submits its own cards. Nothing to see here.
BG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LEAF;14723917]As I just said, we submit our own cards. If you want more details, Joe weeds through the some of the raw cards we buy on eBay and weeds out cards that will not make MG 9 (to help save money so we don't waste money grading cards that wont make the MG)...
BG[/QUOTE]

[B]nogumjustcards isn't the only username that's been used for that account.[/B]
[url]https://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserIdHistory&requested=nogumjustcards[/url]

[B]wwwaitexascom, that looks interesting.[/B]
[B]Registrant Email: [email]accounting@leaftradingcards.com[/email] [/B]
[url]https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=aitexas.com&recaptchaResponse=03AOLTBLTNBjtGyrzsSFFjeFyfkTzXbxPgJW34aSDinYaq6b9MggXuDjgr9ZCZUZhE2RnqprDX-tFTTZInDTHWRh3F_xVy3mGb7CBZ7afTb7QBAacyUR3vaUk6YK9anSzivxTPJzwMikQKCKKqemsRAWe1sDSRMuAQjCU2uG2hC0zk7gGuD3sh7WrigLawWdpJTiTI2on1EF0qU85nnRrZRIaFpcdPJrhnXLyeBVwHHLAZzGtpeJCpVti70Q-dqLfuH5VJjT64lH4SFHY6q_iLs_ovXRwZsEMzBTbuADAM33y3VOER6B3sqCJRnmxUCm-K57ysli_X0gLo&isc=gofdmo130[/url]

[B]
Joe has nothing to do with Leaf's grading.
Beckett has no idea who's cards they are grading.
Both Leaf and Joe have nearly identical, suspiciously unusual groupings of grades (unlike any other standard grading results).

If only someone could solve that puzzle? [/B]

[QUOTE=auburn35;14767059][B]Lets refer back to the information that I shared yesterday, regarding a grading submission that is nearly identical to that which has been attributed to Joe Clemons (Former Beckett and current Leaf Trading Cards employee/contractor)[/B]




[B]So if these cards don't belong to Joe, even though they have nearly identical grading patterns (types of cards, sequential groupings....) but are being submitted and sold by nogumjustcards, I wonder who owns that account and if they also have legendary grading abilities?[/B]










[B]nogumjustcards isn't the only username that's been used for that account.[/B]
[url]https://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserIdHistory&requested=nogumjustcards[/url]

[B]wwwaitexascom, that looks interesting.[/B]
[B]Registrant Email: [email]accounting@leaftradingcards.com[/email] [/B]
[url]https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=aitexas.com&recaptchaResponse=03AOLTBLTNBjtGyrzsSFFjeFyfkTzXbxPgJW34aSDinYaq6b9MggXuDjgr9ZCZUZhE2RnqprDX-tFTTZInDTHWRh3F_xVy3mGb7CBZ7afTb7QBAacyUR3vaUk6YK9anSzivxTPJzwMikQKCKKqemsRAWe1sDSRMuAQjCU2uG2hC0zk7gGuD3sh7WrigLawWdpJTiTI2on1EF0qU85nnRrZRIaFpcdPJrhnXLyeBVwHHLAZzGtpeJCpVti70Q-dqLfuH5VJjT64lH4SFHY6q_iLs_ovXRwZsEMzBTbuADAM33y3VOER6B3sqCJRnmxUCm-K57ysli_X0gLo&isc=gofdmo130[/url]

[B]
Joe has nothing to do with Leaf's grading.
Beckett has no idea who's cards they are grading.
Both Leaf and Joe have nearly identical, suspiciously unusual groupings of grades (unlike any other standard grading results).

If only someone could solve that puzzle? [/B][/QUOTE]
That's not enough evidence for Brian. Keep moving. Nothing to see here...

Just when you thought it was safe to be from Texas...

auburn35 just dropped an anvil. Damn dude. Game over. Seriously, I was reading it thinking, I hope this is going where I think it is....then BAM.
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[QUOTE=auburn35;14767059][B]Lets refer back to the information that I shared yesterday, regarding a grading submission that is nearly identical to that which has been attributed to Joe Clemons (Former Beckett and current Leaf Trading Cards employee/contractor)[/B]









[B]So if these cards don't belong to Joe, even though they have nearly identical grading patterns (types of cards, sequential groupings....) but are being submitted and sold by nogumjustcards, I wonder who owns that account and if they also have legendary grading abilities?[/B]





















[B]nogumjustcards isn't the only username that's been used for that account.[/B]

[url]https://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserIdHistory&requested=nogumjustcards[/url]



[B]wwwaitexascom, that looks interesting.[/B]

[B]Registrant Email: [email]accounting@leaftradingcards.com[/email] [/B]

[url]https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=aitexas.com&recaptchaResponse=03AOLTBLTNBjtGyrzsSFFjeFyfkTzXbxPgJW34aSDinYaq6b9MggXuDjgr9ZCZUZhE2RnqprDX-tFTTZInDTHWRh3F_xVy3mGb7CBZ7afTb7QBAacyUR3vaUk6YK9anSzivxTPJzwMikQKCKKqemsRAWe1sDSRMuAQjCU2uG2hC0zk7gGuD3sh7WrigLawWdpJTiTI2on1EF0qU85nnRrZRIaFpcdPJrhnXLyeBVwHHLAZzGtpeJCpVti70Q-dqLfuH5VJjT64lH4SFHY6q_iLs_ovXRwZsEMzBTbuADAM33y3VOER6B3sqCJRnmxUCm-K57ysli_X0gLo&isc=gofdmo130[/url]



[B]

Joe has nothing to do with Leaf's grading.

Beckett has no idea who's cards they are grading.

Both Leaf and Joe have nearly identical, suspiciously unusual groupings of grades (unlike any other standard grading results).



If only someone could solve that puzzle? [/B][/QUOTE]Lol, WOW!
Excuse me, FBI.. theres something over here that I think you boys should see..

Good job Auburn!

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Gee I wonder if BG will show back up in this thread now...
Disgusting. Sits there lying through his teeth the whole time.
But he'll be at the National waiting to talk to everyone...

As I promised, I am not posting in this thread with any commentary.
I am however available to discuss by phone anything anyone wishes.
You may feel free to post my replies here, but I am not engaging on this forum.
We will see if anyone actually cares about the truth or just posts without full details in an effort to promote a narrative. Feel free to PM and Ill give you my number for a call.
Leaf nor myself have anything to hide.

I am an open book and will answer questions with complete transparency.

BG

P.s.- Anyone who posts questions in this thread after the above offer is doing so knowing they will not receive a reply (including unsoclited PM’s)... Those who actually WANT the truth will PM or Call.

I thought you weren't affiliated with those cards but yet auburn traced that account to Leaf?

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