[QUOTE=MoreToppsPlease;15235605]How are other big companies corrupt? That’s a general statement that could mean different things that wouldn’t necessarily correspond to this thread.

You’re agreeing people paying premiums for graded cards in a corrupt hobby are ridiculous, and that the providers of the graded cards in the hobby are as well. Of course participation in the hobby is purely optional, nobody is forced to pay premiums for anything.

Nobody is saying grading companies should or would go away. But in the context of the immediate discussion I’ve said the premiums people pay shouldn’t be significant...if they weren’t corrupt themselves. I’m saying the people who knowingly buy into and further a corrupt system are themselves corrupt and culpable.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=HarryLime;15235585]Admittedly, I haven't been following this thread. It's actually been a while since I checked in, so my apologies if this point has been brought up, which I imagine it almost certainly has since we're on page 164 and I'm not that smart.

But I feel like it's an important one and it's not getting talked about. I see people talking about Joe's eyes, how great he claims them to be, and how he claims that it is his eyes that are what allows him to get all of those black labels. This makes little sense, logically, but, more importantly, it overlooks an obviously blatant hurdle.

Even if his "eyes" are able to spot perfect cards, how is one person able to come across so many unique examples of condition-sensitive cards that have proven difficult to grade well over the course of years? I know plenty of people and dealers that go to many shows and purchase many private collections throughout the country. Their "eyes" may not be as good as Joe's but they can certainly spot gem mint candidates.

Yet, somehow, the rarest examples, the ones that may indeed be the sole example, seem to find their way to Joe and Joe only. How is that explained? Spotting the cards is one thing but having them cross paths with you is another. Having "great eyes" doesn't [I]make[/I] a card a black label. A card either is or it is not a black label. Yet Joe seems to be the only one that meets these cards. How is that possible? [rhetorical]

Arthur[/QUOTE]

It's been discussed before but not brought back up enough.

When you look at the numbers, any explanation for receiving that many valid 10s doesn't wash.

[QUOTE=HarryLime;15235585]Even if his "eyes" are able to spot perfect cards, how is one person able to come across so many unique examples of condition-sensitive cards that have proven difficult to grade well over the course of years? I know plenty of people and dealers that go to many shows and purchase many private collections throughout the country. Their "eyes" may not be as good as Joe's but they can certainly spot gem mint candidates.

Yet, somehow, the rarest examples, the ones that may indeed be the sole example, seem to find their way to Joe and Joe only. How is that explained? Spotting the cards is one thing but having them cross paths with you is another. Having "great eyes" doesn't [I]make[/I] a card a black label. A card either is or it is not a black label. Yet Joe seems to be the only one that meets these cards. How is that possible? [rhetorical]

Arthur[/QUOTE]

What you are saying is only half of the equation. The other half is getting "someone" at BGS to agree with him. To agree that it should be a black label. This requires at least 2 sets of eyes that see the same "perfect" card the same way. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=HarryLime;15235585]Admittedly, I haven't been following this thread. It's actually been a while since I checked in, so my apologies if this point has been brought up, which I imagine it almost certainly has since we're on page 164 and I'm not that smart.

But I feel like it's an important one and it's not getting talked about. I see people talking about Joe's eyes, how great he claims them to be, and how he claims that it is his eyes that are what allows him to get all of those black labels. This makes little sense, logically, but, more importantly, it overlooks an obviously blatant hurdle.

Even if his "eyes" are able to spot perfect cards, how is one person able to come across so many unique examples of condition-sensitive cards that have proven difficult to grade well over the course of years? I know plenty of people and dealers that go to many shows and purchase many private collections throughout the country. Their "eyes" may not be as good as Joe's but they can certainly spot gem mint candidates.

Yet, somehow, the rarest examples, the ones that may indeed be the sole example, seem to find their way to Joe and Joe only. How is that explained? Spotting the cards is one thing but having them cross paths with you is another. Having "great eyes" doesn't [I]make[/I] a card a black label. A card either is or it is not a black label. Yet Joe seems to be the only one that meets these cards. How is that possible? [rhetorical]

Arthur[/QUOTE]

Exactly! This has been discussed in the thread and was one of the first points I mentioned actually.
There is no logical explanation that doesn't involve some sort of preferred grading Joe was receiving from Beckett.

[QUOTE=dizzydolse;15235612]Yeah the "eagle eye" theory was debunked 160 pages ago and has now become a meme on the forum.[/QUOTE]

It's amazing he still comes on this forum.

His posts in this thread have either shown that he is completely clueless/ignorant or that he thinks we are.

The audacity of his "eagle eye" explanation is epic.

Don't forget the bolded guys... Joe does get non 10's too! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=WJCIII;14721271]Rather than have this on page 9 of the other thread, I wanted it front and center:

Ok boys, here is my very last response to these accusations and then I’m moving on. I will not read these threads, reply to these threads, or anything else. What I’m telling you below is the 100% truth in every way. You can choose to believe it or not. Please know that if you’re responding to these threads I will not see it so there’s no use asking me anything else unless you do it over PM. Here you go:

The true stuff from the accusers:

Yes, I do know graders at Beckett and I like every single one of them. I don’t know everybody there because they’ve hired dozens of new people since I left but several of their graders have been there for 20 years so they were there when I arrived and are still there today.

Yes, I drop off my stuff in person. However, that stuff is NOT handed to a grader. It’s given to a sales/data entry person so my card is charged.

Yes, I’ve gotten a good amount of black labels in the past. I’m also submitting the easiest stuff on the planet to get good grades on. You will not see 1993 SP, National Treasures, Panini Noir, or any other condition sensitive card in black label on my account. You will see a ton of Chrome Update, Bowman Chrome, Topps Update, Prizm basketball, etc. I spend hours on top of hours going through 10’s of thousands of cards to submit the nicest ones.

Yes, I did have a hobby relationship with FCCG. I was their BGS account manager up until the time I left. I did make a post on here 9 years ago on behalf of them to buy cards but I simply copy and pasted an email from them because they didn’t have an account on Blowout (I have no idea whether they opened one after that). After re-reading the post I definitely should have changed the wording to not say “I” so for that I apologize. I was simply doing them a favor. I did, however, forward their info to other BGS customers looking to sell inventory because FCCG advertised on Beckett looking to buy collections. If I knew somebody was looking for someone trustworthy to sell to I would send them to FCCG because I did, and still do, trust them. I will go to my grave believing that if the guys at FCCG ended up with bad stuff it was an accident. You also have to understand that when I was their grading rep BGS offered minimum grade options so they had full orders that were all 10’s, others that were all 9.5’s, and so on. So again, yes, I helped FCCG find things to buy. Yes, I was their BGS rep. No, I did not receive any money from them outside of my compensation from Beckett.

Yes, I work at Leaf and am proud to do so. Yes, I sometimes buy Leaf product if there is any leftover, including 20 cases of Metal in 2013. I listed my cards on release date as instructed when I bought the cases. I buy our products because our content is great and the cards generally grade very well. However, I’ve been buying and selling cards since 1990 and have been on eBay since 1999 so I do my own thing as well.

No, I do not alter cards. That doesn’t seem to be an accusation but it was brought up so I just want to clarify.

Truths from me:

No, I do not have an inside man at BGS. Their system is set up so that you wouldn’t need 1 inside man, you would need 4-5. You would need all of the following people will to sacrifice their jobs to give you grades: a data entry person to accept the order, a grader to give you grades, a data entry person to enter your grades without bringing it to anybody’s attention, a person to slab the cards without saying anything, and a person to ship the cards without saying anything. A minimum of 5 people will deal with an order from the time it was received to the time it leaves. That’s why I’ve said for years, far before this controversy, that having an inside man is impossible. I just don’t see how it can be done. I will say unequivocally, on the record, and under oath if necessary, I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY AT BGS GIVING ME GRADES. I don’t think it’s impossible to see some lawsuits coming out of all of this and if asked to give testimony I will absolutely say under oath that nobody at BGS is giving me grades. BGS absolutely logs who grades which order so there would be no way for a grader to grade my order without everybody in the department being able to see that they had graded it.

I was not a grader while at BGS but I’ve inspected 10’s of thousands of cards for BGS customers when they would ask me at the show booth whether or not they should get a card graded. However, I think it is important to point out that I have never been the final say on a BGS card.

The reason it looks like I’m getting X number of black labels “in a row” is because in every list of grades I’ve ever received BGS has always grouped black labels together. They do this because that’s the way the grades are fed into their label matrix for printing. Black labels are printed together, gold labels together, silver labels together, etc.

I have been up front for years about my having been a BGS employee. I’ve made more posts than I care to count trying to explain the inner workings of grading companies so people can be more confident with the process rather than relying on speculation. I thought my having been an employee would lead to being able to provide valuable information.

[B]Contrary to popular belief, I get hundreds of non-10’s in my orders[/B]. The people doing the research have no doubt seen those orders but don’t post them because it’s not convenient for their accusations. They have chosen to take only the black labels and/or 10’s from these orders to show. I have offered to send pictures of the cards I haven’t listed yet but that wasn’t good enough. Instead I was asked to make a video of myself logging into my account and going through each order individually so everybody can see every card I’ve ever graded. I simply will not do that. Other things I won’t film myself doing: logging into my bank accounts, logging into my health care accounts, logging into my retirement accounts, showering.

I’ve said multiple times that I submit my very best, cleanest stuff in smaller batches and pay for faster turnaround times. I submit in smaller batches in hopes of doing better on grades. Perhaps it’s just a psychological thing but I feel like my chances of going 3/3, 8/10, 10/12, etc. are better than going, say, 80 for 100. Again, I have no proof but I like my chances of breaking things into smaller batches than 1 big one. So far I’ve done well that way. However, I do big orders also. If I don’t think a card is 10 quality or it’s a really cheap card then I put it in a bigger batch and often do no sub-grades to save time and money. I also occasionally submit with friends if I don’t have enough cards to get a discount so while not all of the cards I’ve graded are on my BGS account they are sold on my eBay account. I also occasionally do minimum grade orders but I have to pay even if the card doesn’t get slabbed so I try not to do many. I will fully admit that I went 3/3 on the one order. It’s possible the other orders had more cards but I can’t say for sure.

I list all of my cards on my own account. I have sent a handful of cards to PWCC and maybe a few hundred to Probstein but I think it’s been 2 years or more since I’ve done that. My black labels, 10’s, 9.5’s, and raw go on my own account. I advertise the ungraded stuff on my account as NM or better so as not to make people think the cards are grade worthy. There are no doubt some 9.5’s in my raw stuff but I still describe them as NM or better.

Kyaa wanted to submit through me in March when I was considering doing a BGS group sub. I chose not to do the group sub and now this. I just thought it was fair to let you guys know that 2 months ago he considered me trustworthy enough to grade with despite already knowing the kind of grades I get. He even mentioned in his PM’s how well I seem to do. Since I didn’t choose to do the group sub and he has no use for me anymore he’s decided to attack me instead.

Things I am willing to do:

If anybody would like to contact people that have bought black label cards from me and ask them if they believe the card is over graded then they can send it to me. I won’t blindly buy everything back but if they can show me a noticeable flaw that BGS missed then I will absolutely buy it back.

I am going to spend the next couple of weeks listing hundreds of non-10’s, raw cards, lots etc. so everybody can see that I do, in fact, not get all 10’s and black labels. I’ve offered to provide pictures of these cards but since that wasn’t good enough I’ll list them on my account for all the world to see. The listings will start this weekend. I have an additional 300 cards at PSA, also stuff I do not feel was 10 worthy, that I hope to have back in the next 6 weeks or so and you will see those on my account as well.

I have offered, and will continue to offer, to sit down with anybody that has any questions for me in person at the National. I will bring any black labels I still have to the show with me and we can all review them together. I have nothing to hide so sitting down with everybody in person is no problem for me at all. I will wear a nametag at the show so I am easy to find.

I think that covers everything. I apologize if I left anything out. I can tell you that I am not going away. I will be on here buying and selling. I will be on eBay, I will be at shows, I will be submitting cards for grading. I will be doing what I have always done. I expect/hope to have years of 9.5’s, 10’s, black labels, PSA graded stuff, raw cards, etc. ahead of me. Some of you will not like that and that’s fine. I suspect most of you have your mind made up and that’s also fine.

Again, this is my final statement on the matter. If you post in this thread asking me questions, calling me out, or anything else you will not get a response. I will not read this thread or any other thread pertaining to me. There is simply no reason. There are no repercussions for people making false accusations, only the accused. For that reason I’m done with these threads after this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=rcmb3220;15235645]It's been discussed before but not brought back up enough.

When you look at the numbers, any explanation for receiving that many valid 10s doesn't wash.[/QUOTE]

And they're still getting them, that's the thing that is hard to fathom.

I think this falls under the 'illegitimate grading' umbrella and Beckett, let me know what you think.

[URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Stephen-Strasburg-Finest-Superfractor-RC-Proof-Rookie-Nationals/174048109574?hash=item2886136406:g:m5AAAOSwe7JdiAVM"]2010 Stephen Strasburg Finest Superfractor RC [B]Proof[/B] Rookie Nationals[/URL] purchased by baseballcard exchange on October 6, 2019 for $24.99.

[URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Stephen-Strasburg-Finest-1-1-Superfractor-RC-Rookie-Nationals-BGS-RCR-9-5/293305080933?hash=item444a585c65:g:Nz0AAOSwEbBd2cHz"]2010 Stephen Strasburg Finest 1/1 Superfractor RC Rookie Nationals BGS RCR 9.5[/URL] being sold by baseballcardexchange with a $699.95 BIN.

In the description - and not the title - baseballcardexchange nondescriptly adds the term "vault" to apparently hide the fact that the card was back doored and sheet cut. The October 6 auction called the card a 'Proof' in the title.

Another problem is that the card is oversized being that it was sheet cut. I know Beckett grades sheet cut cards, but the card is too big - I'm sure well beyond the tolerance of legitimate Finest cards.

Furthermore, the card does not have the "1/1" stamp even though the auction title says the card is a 1/1.

Anyone agree the card shouldn't have been graded and that the seller is shady?

[QUOTE=MoreToppsPlease;15271794]I think this falls under the 'illegitimate grading' umbrella and Beckett, let me know what you think.

[URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Stephen-Strasburg-Finest-Superfractor-RC-Proof-Rookie-Nationals/174048109574?hash=item2886136406:g:m5AAAOSwe7JdiAVM"]2010 Stephen Strasburg Finest Superfractor RC [B]Proof[/B] Rookie Nationals[/URL] purchased by baseballcard exchange on October 6, 2019 for $24.99.

[URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Stephen-Strasburg-Finest-1-1-Superfractor-RC-Rookie-Nationals-BGS-RCR-9-5/293305080933?hash=item444a585c65:g:Nz0AAOSwEbBd2cHz"]2010 Stephen Strasburg Finest 1/1 Superfractor RC Rookie Nationals BGS RCR 9.5[/URL] being sold by baseballcardexchange with a $699.95 BIN.

In the description - and not the title - baseballcardexchange nondescriptly adds the term "vault" to apparently hide the fact that the card was back doored and sheet cut. The October 6 auction called the card a 'Proof' in the title.

Another problem is that the card is oversized being that it was sheet cut. I know Beckett grades sheet cut cards, but the card is too big - I'm sure well beyond the tolerance of legitimate Finest cards.

Furthermore, the card does not have the "1/1" stamp even though the auction title says the card is a 1/1.

Anyone agree the card shouldn't have been graded and that the seller is shady?[/QUOTE]

Don't really see issue with Beckett grading the card, as long as the description is accurate, when encased.

The seller is clearly misleading, with their title and description.

Found another big source (Steel City Collectibles ) towards the unknown, sorted Black Labels.

Similar to Leaf, Steel City is in the repack business (across multiple sports) with a product called Gold Rush and seems to prefer Beckett for their grading. Most of the orders that have been matched up aren't sorted out by grade and unlike the Leaf/Joe orders, appear to have been properly logged into the Beckett system, before grading.

More order matching will be needed but Steel City does have several grade sorted orders, with one order having 73 consecutive BGS 10's and Black Labels.

[QUOTE=auburn35;15274756]Found another big source (Steel City Collectibles ) towards the unknown, sorted Black Labels.

Similar to Leaf, Steel City is in the repack business (across multiple sports) with a product called Gold Rush and seems to prefer Beckett for their grading. Most of the orders that have been matched up aren't sorted out by grade and unlike the Leaf/Joe orders, appear to have been properly logged into the Beckett system, before grading.

More order matching will be needed but Steel City does have several grade sorted orders, with one order having 73 consecutive BGS 10's and Black Labels.[/QUOTE]

:popcorn:

Quiet November for Leaf/Joe, as it doesn't appear that either had any Black Labels., although there were a couple small batches of consecutive Black Labels that are still unknown.

Joe/Leaf are still accounting for at least 25% of the entire run of 2019 Black Labels and at least 67% of the sorted black labels.
Of note, both of these percentages have significantly dropped, since this thread started, which is a positive sign.
Looking at the data, only 20 Black Labels have been given out to the pair since July (subpoena for the Leaf/Beckett records), which is a massive drop-off from their 377 in the first six months of the year.

[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49196775112_7e5fcac039_c.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=auburn35;15329888]Quiet November for Leaf/Joe, as it doesn't appear that either had any Black Labels., although there were a couple small batches of consecutive Black Labels that are still unknown.

Joe/Leaf are still accounting for at least 25% of the entire run of 2019 Black Labels and at least 67% of the sorted black labels.
Of note, both of these percentages have significantly dropped, since this thread started, which is a positive sign.
Looking at the data, only 20 Black Labels have been given out to the pair since July (subpoena for the Leaf/Beckett records), which is a massive drop-off from their 377 in the first six months of the year.

[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49196775112_7e5fcac039_c.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


maybe joe got tired looking through all those boxes at card shows...


:doh:

[QUOTE=auburn35;15329888]Quiet November for Leaf/Joe, as it doesn't appear that either had any Black Labels., although there were a couple small batches of consecutive Black Labels that are still unknown.

Joe/Leaf are still accounting for at least 25% of the entire run of 2019 Black Labels and at least 67% of the sorted black labels.
Of note, both of these percentages have significantly dropped, since this thread started, which is a positive sign.
Looking at the data, only 20 Black Labels have been given out to the pair since July (subpoena for the Leaf/Beckett records), which is a massive drop-off from their 377 in the first six months of the year.

[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49196775112_7e5fcac039_c.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Seems like he/they knew they got caught are are proceeding with caution because they know there are watching eyes.

Or it could all be just one big coincedence that the drop off started right after they got caught:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Not black label related but I was informed Brian Gray of Leaf was the guest on the Sportscardnation podcast this week.
[url]https://anchor.fm/sportscardnation[/url]

Starting around the 55 minute point, Brian discussed the Leaf/employee policy started, earlier in this thread.

[QUOTE=auburn35;15329888]Quiet November for Leaf/Joe, as it doesn't appear that either had any Black Labels., although there were a couple small batches of consecutive Black Labels that are still unknown.



Joe/Leaf are still accounting for at least 25% of the entire run of 2019 Black Labels and at least 67% of the sorted black labels.

Of note, both of these percentages have significantly dropped, since this thread started, which is a positive sign.

Looking at the data, only 20 Black Labels have been given out to the pair since July (subpoena for the Leaf/Beckett records), which is a massive drop-off from their 377 in the first six months of the year.



[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49196775112_7e5fcac039_c.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]What's their submission volume vs everyone else? Its been pretty evident that it's definitely being manipulated, but that would be a better stat to show. If they're submitting 10,000 cards vs someone else's 100-200....

Are you insinuating that BGS is for some reason giving this guy better grades than his cards deserve? I don't see it.

[QUOTE=doowopbruce;15349411]Are you insinuating that BGS is for some reason giving this guy better grades than his cards deserve? I don't see it.[/QUOTE]LOL..

[QUOTE=krosscdm;15348972]What's their submission volume vs everyone else? Its been pretty evident that it's definitely being manipulated, but that would be a better stat to show. If they're submitting 10,000 cards vs someone else's 100-200....[/QUOTE]

Would love to help with that request but it would be impossible (probably even for Beckett) to provide those numbers, on each individual submitter.

So far in 2019, Beckett has graded 700,000~ items (graded cards and authenticated autographs). You can use that 700,000 number, along with the submission data (need to project ahead) from Joe's account to get a good look at his submission volume, compared with all other Beckett submitters.

[QUOTE=superdan49;14733420]
[B]those 30 orders contained 767 cards, with 108 of those earning BGS 10 Black Labels. [/B] 23 of these 30 were processed by BGS as "Bulk 10-Day Non-Guaranteed" service level, another 6 of these orders were "Ten-Day-Old" service level, and the remaining 2 of these orders were "On-Site Same Day." Each order was both delivered and picked up by Joe in person.
[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=14733420&postcount=1714[/url]

Superdans quote sums it up pretty well!! Amazing

[QUOTE=krosscdm;15350408]Superdans quote sums it up pretty well!! Amazing[/QUOTE]

Looks like another member of the mob with their pitchforks...

[QUOTE=pip;15349495]LOL..[/QUOTE]

Then post some photos of inaccurately graded cards.

[QUOTE=doowopbruce;15351164]Then post some photos of inaccurately graded cards.[/QUOTE]


[B][SIZE="3"]9.5 Centering[/SIZE][/B]
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[B][SIZE="3"]Nice upper left corner[/SIZE][/B]
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[B][SIZE="3"]Another 9.5 Centering[/SIZE][/B]:confused:
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[B][SIZE="3"]Feel free to look at the bottom edge-looks like a ramp[/SIZE][/B]
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[B][SIZE="3"]Another well centered one[/SIZE][/B]
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[B][SIZE="3"]And another well centered one[/SIZE][/B]
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[B][SIZE="3"]How about another...a 10 Pristine with great centering[/SIZE]
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[B][SIZE="3"]Heres a great one. Side by side... same set. Trubisky perfect centering..Mahomes terrible centering....both Gem Mint 10s [/SIZE][/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/4g602rhq/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/4g602rhqx450.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"][SIZE="5"]And I will save the best for last.[/SIZE][url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1187186&highlight=odell+scratch[/url][SIZE="5"] You have to click this link. A 10 Surface...yes, I said 10[/SIZE][/SIZE][/B]

[QUOTE=cking;15351188][B][SIZE="3"]9.5 Centering[/SIZE][/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/yip25s82/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/yip25s82x250.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"]Nice upper left corner[/SIZE][/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/93i467ou/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/93i467ou.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"]Another 9.5 Centering[/SIZE][/B]:confused:
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/kr25987x/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/kr25987xx450.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"]Feel free to look at the bottom edge-looks like a ramp[/SIZE][/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/8v22rb06/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/8v22rb06x450.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"]Another well centered one[/SIZE][/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/472s50of/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/472s50ofx250.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"]And another well centered one[/SIZE][/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/wki119wz/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/wki119wzx250.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"]How about another...a 10 Pristine with great centering[/SIZE]
[/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/tqk6y69e/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/tqk6y69ex250.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B][SIZE="3"]Heres a great one. Side by side... same set. Trubisky perfect centering..Mahomes terrible centering....both Gem Mint 10s [/SIZE][/B]
[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/4g602rhq/n-a][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/4g602rhqx450.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

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Were all these cards submitted by Joe Clemons?

[QUOTE=doowopbruce;15351239]Were all these cards submitted by Joe Clemons?[/QUOTE]

Read first 165 pages of this thread then come back if you disagree.