[QUOTE=Cam Brady;17590213]Gotta find an article that Tony Clark is quoted in.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/fanatics-topps-baseball-trading-cards-mlb-11629401528[/url]

[QUOTE=Aston14;17590211]There was a memo to players from the head of the MLBPA explaining the deal. Again, I assume the number includes the ownership stake that the union is getting in the new venture.[/QUOTE]


If so, the huge weakness of Topps going public is laid bare: they couldn’t match the equity offer because of their naive move to use a SPAC and instead bankrupted themselves over the ill advised strategy


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Did MLB/MLBPA even think about issuing multiple licenses?

Maybe they offer a license to Topps, Fanatics, and UD each for 4x the current rate.

With all the money coming into the sports card market, new record sales being set all the time...non-exclusive licenses would still have been incredibly valuable.

If they let MUDS fail, theoretically could Topps them offer the equity to match / beat Fanatics?

Maybe we see some gamesmanship in the next week or so…


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[QUOTE=Glowbug27;17590156]Manfred is commissioner of MLB not MLBPA. Even if you got MLB to do a turnaround and go back to Topps it would not matter because no way in hell is MLBPA giving that money opportunity back.[/QUOTE]

Well then we give both MLB and MLBPA the stink. This is trash, The Fanatics website is so overpriced I can't believe what they'll do to cards.

[QUOTE=smanzari;17590184]MLBPA also signed with Fanatics meaning no more Panini or Non-Logo'ed cards of current players unless they're not in MLBPA[/QUOTE]

Do we know for sure that the Panini license ends at the same time? The articles all reference just Topps

[QUOTE=Asian62150;17590232]Did MLB/MLBPA even think about issuing multiple licenses?

Maybe they offer a license to Topps, Fanatics, and UD each for 4x the current rate.

With all the money coming into the sports card market, new record sales being set all the time...non-exclusive licenses would still have been incredibly valuable.[/QUOTE]

The leagues like exclusives and Fanatics was not going to pay for a diluted product. Topps it sounds like could not afford the Fanatics rate and UD sure as heck could not either.

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Heh… see? That’s funny. No need for anyone to be upset over “boomer”, “zoomer”, “millennial”, etc.

[QUOTE=Asian62150;17590232]Did MLB/MLBPA even think about issuing multiple licenses?

Maybe they offer a license to Topps, Fanatics, and UD each for 4x the current rate.

With all the money coming into the sports card market, new record sales being set all the time...non-exclusive licenses would still have been incredibly valuable.[/QUOTE]

Get something straight. The big money controls this game period. Fanatics would say, take our 10X or we are out entirely. Then you are left with Topps saying why should we pay more, you have no other options.

[B]NBA and NBPA too (in case you didn't know)
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[url]https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1428474974763945986[/url]

so do i dump all my wax and cards? someone tell me what to do.

[QUOTE=pewe;17590226]If so, the huge weakness of Topps going public is laid bare: they couldn’t match the equity offer because of their naive move to use a SPAC and instead bankrupted themselves over the ill advised strategy


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Their strategy from go was a money grab and nothing else.

Anyone remember 2009 Ultimate Baseball by Upper Deck? It was a major dump of incredible patches and some nice overall cards. Actually one do the better products over the years all because they had no more license.

I’m guessing we could see the same from Topps

[QUOTE=armyatc22;17590256]Anyone remember 2009 Ultimate Baseball by Upper Deck? It was a major dump of incredible patches and some nice overall cards. Actually one do the better products over the years all because they had no more license.

I’m guessing we could see the same from Topps[/QUOTE]

Think it will be more like the last Topps Football, redemption heavy.

[QUOTE=whitmm;17590239]Do we know for sure that the Panini license ends at the same time? The articles all reference just Topps[/QUOTE]

No, Panini NFL ends in 2025 and NBA in 2022 (I may have those dates mixed up)

[QUOTE=imbluestreak23;17590201]Where did it say that Fanatics paid 10X what Topps paid in 2020?

If Fanatics did that we are all doomed. That essentially means that for Fanatics to make a profit, sales need to 10X from Topps 2020 baseline number which means:
-10x more product and/or
-10x higher print run when print runs are already stuipd high and/or
-10x less autographs because yah know those cost money and/or
-10x less REAL GAME USED items because yeah, yah know those cost money too and Fanatics has an endless supply of replica swatches from jerseys to gloves, helmets, balls, etc. Endless supply of worthless junk to insert into cardboard.[/QUOTE]

So what you’re saying is if it’s true it will continue on Topps current trajectory?

[QUOTE=NYBBFAN;17590249][B]NBA and NBPA too (in case you didn't know)
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[url]https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1428474974763945986[/url][/QUOTE]

I expect NHLPA will follow suit shortly.

[QUOTE=NYBBFAN;17590249][B]NBA and NBPA too (in case you didn't know)
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[url]https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1428474974763945986[/url][/QUOTE]

Just waiting for the Panini/Fanatics merger announcement.

[QUOTE=armyatc22;17590256]Anyone remember 2009 Ultimate Baseball by Upper Deck? It was a major dump of incredible patches and some nice overall cards. Actually one do the better products over the years all because they had no more license.

I’m guessing we could see the same from Topps[/QUOTE]

YES. I'm going to start saving for a PALLET of the Topps version!

[QUOTE=imbluestreak23;17590201]Where did it say that Fanatics paid 10X what Topps paid in 2020?

If Fanatics did that we are all doomed. That essentially means that for Fanatics to make a profit, sales need to 10X from Topps 2020 baseline number which means:
-10x more product and/or
-10x higher print run when print runs are already stuipd high and/or
-10x less autographs because yah know those cost money and/or
-10x less REAL GAME USED items because yeah, yah know those cost money too and Fanatics has an endless supply of replica swatches from jerseys to gloves, helmets, balls, etc. Endless supply of worthless junk to insert into cardboard.[/QUOTE]

I doubt their plan it to immediately recoup all money invested in one or two years, I’m sure they see this as something that will take at least 5+ years to turn a profit.

Fanatics also does deals with brick & mortar stores. For example they have a long-term deal with Kohl’s now so in the future you might go somewhere like that to get wax instead of your LCS.

#ThanksFanatics

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;17590247]Heh… see? That’s funny. No need for anyone to be upset over “boomer”, “zoomer”, “millennial”, etc.[/QUOTE]


Justice!!! We all are made fun of, so we can all make fun of others!

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[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17590255]Their strategy from go was a money grab and nothing else.[/QUOTE]


Completely agree.

[QUOTE=NYBBFAN;17590249][B]NBA and NBPA too (in case you didn't know)
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[url]https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1428474974763945986[/url][/QUOTE]

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