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Warning: Jesse Boeglin of Ashaway, RI, aka cardscout accused of multiple thefts
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[URL="http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/1054149-anyone-know-where-locate-trading-rules-new-members-how-new-members-mail-1st.html"]Anyone know where to locate trading rules for new members (how new members mail 1st)[/URL] [URL="http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/1056195-watch-out-user-id-cardscout.html"]Watch out for user ID CardScout[/URL] Public information: Jesse Boeglin 251 main St. Ashaway RI 02804 (401)500-1093 Cell (401)377-2530 Work (401)377-4721 Fax [URL="http://www.complaintboard.com/great-american-readers-l4751.html"]GREAT AMERICAN READERS[/URL] Date of Birth June 17, 1976 [ATTACH]351612[/ATTACH] Comolli Granite Co Inc Monument Maker · Ashaway Address: 4 Chase Hill Rd, Ashaway, RI 02804 Phone: (401) 377-2530 [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Comolli-Granite-Inc-307242716070829/[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/jesse.boeglin.1[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/public/Jesse-Boeglin[/URL] [ATTACH]351611[/ATTACH] Jesse Boeglin, Shop Foreman & Self Proclaimed Artist at Comolli Granite Ashaway, Rhode Island [IMG]https://a1-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/9/38faada111f84e119b03bd8d65181ec2/300x300.jpg[/IMG] [URL]https://myspace.com/dna_online[/URL] [URL]https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesse-boeglin-34b94557[/URL] [IMG]http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/DNA_Online/YTB/DNATravelOnline-Card-1copy.jpg[/IMG] [URL="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/DNA_Online/library/?sort=3&page=1"]DNA_Online's Library | Photobucket[/URL] [URL]http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/JesseBoeglin/library/?sort=4&page=1[/URL] Cards stolen: From ludo 2014-15 Panini Flawless #160 LeBron James USA 08/20 2012-13 Panini Flawless BenchMarks #41 Stephen Curry AU 08/10 [URL]http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basketball-singles-buy-sell-trade/1046944-sale-lebron-flawless-usa-curry-flawless-auto.html[/URL] From ronniebrown420 86/87 fleer jordan rc sticker psa 7 st [URL]http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basketball-singles-buy-sell-trade/1050500-nice-michael-jordan-graded-rc-stickers-trade.html[/URL] From mpekar ? $200 card Relevant posts: [QUOTE=rustyisin;11537867]messages from this morning: [B]Cardscout:[/B] "Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "yes, you missed communicating to me. Please send tracking when available". [B]Cardscout:[/B] "I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "that's not OK Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical. I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away. Send the cards" "I view it as your purchase, not mine. It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for the balance of your payment via trade items". what is your ebay account? "And don't tell me you don't have one. Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to" [B]Cardscout 9:26am:[/B] "I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy" "Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you". [B]rustyisin:[/B] "I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that. Show me the policy you are referring to on trading". [URL]https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us[/URL] "I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice" Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CardScout;11537856]Come on it's a sin to conduct business on Sunday. Give me a break.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CardScout;11540244]Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what [B]SCF[/B] is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ludo;11563856]Hello everyone, Does anyone happen to send PM to CardScout? I ask because I have a big deal going with him and I can not join it by PM Thanks Ludo[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=houdini;11566341]He has a $1k+ trade where he made the other party ship first. The cards arrived on the 26th of October. He has not contacted the other party once since he picked up those cards. He even changed his email so that he wouldn't get notices from BO anymore. Another member (yes, that's 3 so far) traded him too - sent his package out right away but never got tracking from cardscout. Then cardscout did the email change. That is not simple miscommunication. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mmoran4141;11567687] He's now not receiving messages for whatever reason. He would flip out one second if things weren't going his way and then apologize shortly there after. Have screenshots of the messages to prove it. Also tricked me saying I needed to send first since my feedback was lower than his. No idea how he's acquired a 234 rating And to top it off, I traded for a card that's supposed to be encased from panini, which it wasn't, and he had it in a top loader. I was expecting to be in the magnetic with the panini tamper evident seal Won't respond to texts now either. If anyone can report this to a mod that would be greatly appreciated Thanks[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ronniebrown420;11568226]member cardscout got me to also.we agreed on a trade on thursday we were both suppose to send friday with tracking i did my part and he received his on monday.I never got a tracking number or any replies after i sent him his tracking number.still nothing and i think im out my card now.I traded a michael jordan 86-87 fleer sticker rc psa 7 st which isnt a high dollar card but still just the fact all the time i have been on here never had a trade go bad.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mpekar;11569873]he got me too---out a $200 card. he got my end yesterday. havent heard from him since Wed[/QUOTE] He says he does not have an eBay account which is most probably #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@. For those of you who sell a lot of basketball/football on eBay, search your paypal payments by last name. I bet someone on this forum has sold to a Boeglin. Let's get a username boda. [ATTACH]351613[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]351614[/ATTACH] [QUOTE=CardScout;11540244] Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what [B]SCF[/B] is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE] He needed a link for SCF on 10/25 because he wanted to become a member there... Yet he has been a member since August and has logged in in October. [URL="http://www.sportscardforum.com/members/115422-Mojo?tab=activitystream&type=user"]View Profile: Mojo - Sports Card Forum - Sports Cards Community[/URL] [URL="http://www.sportscardforum.com/threads/2325491-Kyrie-Irving-Rookie-Auto-FT?p=14252038&viewfull=1#post14252038"]Kyrie Irving Rookie Auto FT[/URL] [/QUOTE]I am trading with a new member and he thinks I am trying to swindle him by telling him he needs to mail an item first I am having trouble finding any sort of rule on this. Please send me a link if you know where to find it. Thanks |
New members don't have to send first... this isn't SCF
Now I 100% agree with you that there is no chance I wouldn't make that person send first. At minimum we'd be using a moderator as a 3rd party if it was a deal I absolutely had to have |
Really? Wow has this always been the case because I remember when I was just starting out they made it seam like that was rules. Plus it seams logical since new members have nothing to lose. I already sent $700 via paypal and now he is having the package called back since I waiting to get the card before I send. The funny thing is I was actually going to mail his card today since i had to got to the post office anyways but I told him I was going to wait and he went into over load calling me deceitful and criticizing my trading practices. I just thought I was doing what I was supposed to to do it is what I have been doing ever since I became a member. Probably lucky now that I know you can call back a package after mailing it.
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[QUOTE=CardScout;11537204]Really? Wow has this always been the case because I remember when I was just starting out they made it seam like that was rules. Plus it seams logical since new members have nothing to lose. I already sent $700 via paypal and now he is having the package called back since I waiting to get the card before I send. The funny thing is I was actually going to mail his card today since i had to got to the post office anyways but I told him I was going to wait and he went into over load calling me deceitful and criticizing my trading practices. I just thought I was doing what I was supposed to to do it is what I have been doing ever since I became a member. Probably lucky now that I know you can call back a package after mailing it.[/QUOTE]
I'm 99% sure it's always been the case. Now common sense should dictate that a new member, especially with your feedback, send first. I would absolutely make them. Like I said if it was a huge deal I didn't want to lose? I'd use a 3rd party. But there isn't any rule like there was/is on SCF when that place was relevant. |
Yeah, it is not a written rule, but in most cases the new user with 0 feedback is asked to send first. There are some here who request the other person sends first if their feedback is lowers then their own, << lol
My policy is similar to SCF, if you have less than 20 feedbacks, I will ask for you to send first , no exceptions what so ever |
So wait....New Member has $700 of yours and hasn't sent the card yet because you also have to send a card to the new member?
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I don't believe its a written rule...either way why not just have both members provide tracking #'s?
FrmDaLeftCoast |
There are no rules on this. Each trade can set their own rules if they so chose. IF the other party doesnt like them, then no deal. Establish members can easily take advantage of new ones - this happened years ago with me on another forum and questioning it and the deal that was in place almost got me removed from the site. Guy got paid, and I never got the card. I still think he shipped it ($5 card), and likely lost via customs, but it very quickly went from the newbie questioning things, to the veteran was always right.
I know a lot of other guys will use ebay feedback and/or other forum feedback for references if for example you want to ship the same day, but we've tried to keep things simple. Frankly if you want cheap protection on a trade, just buy each others cards for the same value. Figure say $100 coverage costs you about 3 bucks (2.9% + pp fee). Also automatcially gets you the other partys confirmed shipping info and you can use paypal shipping (not that still cant use paypal shipping without a payment, but does automate that process and eliminate any typo's). I've also done moderated trades for a lot of guys. A few more hoops to run through if you are using me, but at times its a nice peice of mind and I'm not charging anything to do it, but I have my own set of criteria thats used. |
Pleas e keep us updated on how this turns out.
reacting to the same as everyone else. If I trade on here(very VERY rare) and the member has under 10 iTrader, I always ask for them to send first and reiterate that its just because of seeing how some situations on her have gone down before. As long as it is conveyed prior to a trade agreement, it shouldn't be a problem, and for me, it never has. Obviously there are 2 sides to the story, and assuming you left out no other details or asked them last minute to send first but I would be very leery of this deal at the moment. |
Next time send them to me and I'll mail them out to right people with fortune cookies note in them.
This is a new service I'm thinking of creating here on BO. |
[QUOTE=iluvfish2;11537242]There are no rules on this. Each trade can set their own rules if they so chose. IF the other party doesnt like them, then no deal. Establish members can easily take advantage of new ones - this happened years ago with me on another forum and questioning it and the deal that was in place almost got me removed from the site. Guy got paid, and I never got the card. I still think he shipped it ($5 card), and likely lost via customs, but it very quickly went from the newbie questioning things, to the veteran was always right.
I know a lot of other guys will use ebay feedback and/or other forum feedback for references if for example you want to ship the same day, but we've tried to keep things simple. Frankly if you want cheap protection on a trade, just buy each others cards for the same value. Figure say $100 coverage costs you about 3 bucks (2.9% + pp fee). Also automatcially gets you the other partys confirmed shipping info and you can use paypal shipping (not that still cant use paypal shipping without a payment, but does automate that process and eliminate any typo's). I've also done moderated trades for a lot of guys. A few more hoops to run through if you are using me, but at times its a nice peice of mind and I'm not charging anything to do it, but I have my own set of criteria thats used.[/QUOTE] This is great information to know for the future. Thanks for the heads up on that! |
Thanks for everyone getting involved. I appreciate it, I wasn't even thinking about how he already has $700 of my money and he is making a big deal about this. I just figured I could show him the rule and put an end to it all. Guess not. Thanks again, everyone from now on I am going to make sure I explain it as my rule and not a forum rule. I don't blame you Ginger you have the right idea.
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I'm the other member...not new either.
I've been in the hobby 30 years and have perfect e-bay feeback on only high dollar transaction since 1998. Cardscout asked me to accept some trade on an item he wanted - he is making a purchase from me, not me from him. I extended the courtesy of mailing his $2500 card on Saturday and not waiting for the balance of his payment (card items for trade). Buyer did not answer several forms of communication from me throughout the weekend and into today. Finally, he tells me it's policy to wait for trade items to show up from members who have under 50 feedback. Never heard this before. Due to this members deliberate deceit I am recalling this item and will refund his payment when my card is safely back in my hands. Cardscout also refuses to give his ebay user name. 51 years old. Social worker In the hobby 30 years Perfect ebay feedback on high dollar transactions Never had this kind of mistrust. |
[QUOTE=socal805;11537237]I don't believe its a written rule...either way why not just have both members provide tracking #'s?
FrmDaLeftCoast[/QUOTE] I provided my tracking. Cardscout does not have one |
[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537316]I'm the other member...not new either.
I've been in the hobby 30 years and have perfect e-bay feeback on only high dollar transaction since 1998. Cardscout asked me to accept some trade on an item he wanted - he is making a purchase from me, not me from him. I extended the courtesy of mailing his $2500 card on Saturday and not waiting for the balance of his payment (card items for trade). Buyer did not answer several forms of communication from me throughout the weekend and into today. Finally, he tells me it's policy to wait for trade items to show up from members who have under 50 feedback. Never heard this before. Due to this members deliberate deceit I am recalling this item and will refund his payment when my card is safely back in my hands. Cardscout also refuses to give his ebay user name. 51 years old. Social worker In the hobby 30 years Perfect ebay feedback on high dollar transactions Never had this kind of mistrust.[/QUOTE] I have dealt with Cardscout before and I will say I do not think there is any deceit, this and his feedback should secure that notion, Ebay name has nothing do with a trade here. You are in Canada for one, it was a high dollar trade which Cardscout sent $$ first, so you mailed the one big card $2500 but not the others as part of the deal? Second being over the border and having only 14 feedbacks, you are fairly new. So him asking for all his stuff and waiting to send the rest of yours _ the $$ already sent to you immediately ??? is not really out of the question. Now you want to end the whole transaction because Cardscout, was waiting for all his cards? If I missed something, please enlighten me. |
[I]re-read, sorry[/I]
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[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537316]I'm the other member...not new either.
I've been in the hobby 30 years and have perfect e-bay feeback on only high dollar transaction since 1998. Cardscout asked me to accept some trade on an item he wanted - he is making a purchase from me, not me from him. I extended the courtesy of mailing his $2500 card on Saturday and not waiting for the balance of his payment (card items for trade). Buyer did not answer several forms of communication from me throughout the weekend and into today. Finally, he tells me it's policy to wait for trade items to show up from members who have under 50 feedback. Never heard this before. Due to this members deliberate deceit I am recalling this item and will refund his payment when my card is safely back in my hands. Cardscout also refuses to give his ebay user name. [B]51 years old. Social worker In the hobby 30 years Perfect ebay feedback on high dollar transactions[/B] Never had this kind of mistrust.[/QUOTE] Someone get the popcorn, this is going to be good. BTW, the above and $.50 still won't get you a cup of coffee. I don't care if you are the Pope, you can still run a scam. |
[QUOTE=Boo;11537400]Someone get the popcorn, this is going to be good. BTW, the above and $.50 still won't get you a cup of coffee. I don't care if you are the Pope, you can still run a scam.[/QUOTE]
Smartfood bag is open and awaiting responses, lol |
[QUOTE=gingerscards;11537381]I have dealt with Cardscout before and I will say I do not think there is any deceit, this and his feedback should secure that notion, Ebay name has nothing do with a trade here.
You are in Canada for one, it was a high dollar trade which Cardscout sent $$ first, so you mailed the one big card $2500 but not the others as part of the deal? Second being over the border and having only 14 feedbacks, you are fairly new. So him asking for all his stuff and waiting to send the rest of yours _ the $$ already sent to you immediately ??? is not really out of the question. Now you want to reside the whole transaction because Cardscout, was waiting for all his cards? If I missed something, please enlighten me.[/QUOTE] I did not ask him to send his items first. My expectation was the trade items be sent at the same time. They were not. My end mailed promptly on Saturday. Yes, ebay feedback comes into play when assessing a traders references. I have a postage address in Washington State CardScout was full communication up to the point where I sent my card on Saturday - then blank. No reply to messages here or via text. This is the behavior of deceit. He obviously knew I would not be happy about his trading policy. Honestly, my 14 transactions here have a value of over 10K. Cardscout feedback might amount to a fraction of this. Do yourself a favor and check my ebay. I'm also on SCF. I have $130,000 worth of listings on ebay |
[QUOTE=asujbl;11537209]I'm 99% sure it's always been the case.
Now common sense should dictate that a new member, especially with your feedback, send first. [B]I would absolutely make them[/B]. Like I said if it was a huge deal I didn't want to lose? I'd use a 3rd party. But there isn't any rule like there was/is on SCF when that place was relevant.[/QUOTE] How is someone supposed to make another person do something they won't do? The bottom line is both traders need to feel comfortable making the deal, if you don't feel comfortable just move on. Trust is good but control is better, sometimes that control will make you spend more money to make it happen. I understand your point Rusty but telling us who you are or what you do for a living may not help much, it depends on how trustworthy you are actually perceived during the transaction. Good luck with the trade. Edit: We have seen many times over that a person's iTrader or eBay feedback is only as good as their last transaction. |
[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537408]I did not ask him to send his items first. My expectation was the trade items be sent at the same time. They were not. My end mailed promptly on Saturday.
Yes, ebay feedback comes into play when assessing a traders references. I have a postage address in Washington State CardScout was full communication up to the point where I sent my card on Saturday - then blank. No reply to messages here or via text. This is the behavior of deceit. He obviously knew I would not be happy about his trading policy. Honestly, my 14 transactions here have a value of over 10K. Cardscout feedback might amount to a fraction of this. Do yourself a favor and check my ebay. I'm also on SCF.[/QUOTE] I am also on SCf and dollar amount of your transactions should not and do not weigh in more than a $.50 deal. Oh yeah I am on Ebay as well, but that is here nor there. What is important is you the $$ ( $700) so yeah you mailed the card promptly, that is was your supposed to do, now if either of you did not SPECIFY the details of the rest of the agreement, AKA. you ask cardscout to mail his end at the same time and did cardscout say he was going to wai, I am think neither happen and we are here today. Not replying over the weekend is really no big deal when you have $700 of his money and he is simply waiting for the mail to come in. He could of been simply busy this weekend and not logged on to answer you. So now that you assumed, well we all know what that means, lol. I do not need to check your Ebay for a reference, I am not here to judge your character based on that alone or SCF feedback or any other, it could of been worked out easy, Cardscout finally gets his card in the mail and then mails your end of cards as part of the trade, really since you got $700 upfront , I see no big deal in this, but your reaction to trun back 100% now is well alarming and Cardscout should put paypal claim in right away to protect himself |
[QUOTE=TarjetasBéisbol;11537434]How is someone supposed to make another person do something they won't do?
The bottom line is both traders need to feel comfortable making the deal, if you don't feel comfortable just move on. Trust is good but control is better, sometimes that control will make you spend more money to make it happen.[/QUOTE] agreed. I went out of my way to help this collector land my card - I accepted items that I never carry in my inventory. I was on the up and up the whole time. It's costing me $40 to cancel this transaction - so I'm spending my money to make it clear to Cardscout that what he did was not cool with me....especially ignoring my messages when he has my $2500 card on the way with a fraction of it paid for. |
I think there is a misunderstanding between the trade parties that Cardscout is expecting rutyisin to send first due to his low feedback score and rutyisin is expecting both party to send at the same time. It didn't seem like the order of things was put into the original trade deal.
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[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537316]I'm the other member...not new either.
I've been in the hobby 30 years and have perfect e-bay feeback on only high dollar transaction since 1998. Cardscout asked me to accept some trade on an item he wanted - he is making a purchase from me, not me from him. I extended the courtesy of mailing his $2500 card on Saturday and not waiting for the balance of his payment (card items for trade). Buyer did not answer several forms of communication from me throughout the weekend and into today. Finally, he tells me it's policy to wait for trade items to show up from members who have under 50 feedback. Never heard this before. Due to this members deliberate deceit I am recalling this item and will refund his payment when my card is safely back in my hands. Cardscout also refuses to give his ebay user name. 51 years old. Social worker In the hobby 30 years Perfect ebay feedback on high dollar transactions Never had this kind of mistrust.[/QUOTE] I probably would have kept quiet in this thread in your shoes. Looking at the details from both ends, you have nothing to gain but a lot to lose by making yourself known. the other member was asking a question about policy and made it a point not to call you out, and your here trashing him and accusing him of something without any proof. There are a lot of members on BO that spend a lot of money who will likely not want to deal with you knowing that you are acting this way over a simple miscommunication. And honestly, I dont answer my emails daily. I have a life away from ball cards. |
[QUOTE=iluvfish2;11537242]There are no rules on this. Each trade can set their own rules if they so chose. IF the other party doesnt like them, then no deal. Establish members can easily take advantage of new ones - this happened years ago with me on another forum and questioning it and the deal that was in place almost got me removed from the site. Guy got paid, and I never got the card. I still think he shipped it ($5 card), and likely lost via customs, but it very quickly went from the newbie questioning things, to the veteran was always right.
I know a lot of other guys will use ebay feedback and/or other forum feedback for references if for example you want to ship the same day, but we've tried to keep things simple. Frankly if you want cheap protection on a trade, just buy each others cards for the same value. Figure say $100 coverage costs you about 3 bucks (2.9% + pp fee). Also automatcially gets you the other partys confirmed shipping info and you can use paypal shipping (not that still cant use paypal shipping without a payment, but does automate that process and eliminate any typo's). I've also done moderated trades for a lot of guys. A few more hoops to run through if you are using me, but at times its a nice peice of mind and I'm not charging anything to do it, but I have my own set of criteria thats used.[/QUOTE] thanks for the info. I didn't think I needed a moderator - until trader did not send his items and avoided communicating with me for 2 days. Trader made no mention on needing to see my card first until 48 hrs after I shipped. I "assumed" this was a gentleman's transaction. I was wrong |
[QUOTE=sasports;11537520]I probably would have kept quiet in this thread in your shoes. Looking at the details from both ends, you have nothing to gain but a lot to lose by making yourself known. the other member was asking a question about policy and made it a point not to call you out, and your here trashing him and accusing him of something without any proof.
There are a lot of members on BO that spend a lot of money who will likely not want to deal with you knowing that you are acting this way over a simple miscommunication. And honestly, I dont answer my emails daily. I have a life away from ball cards.[/QUOTE] Anybody who wants to avoid deals with me knowing the details of this transaction is welcome to. |
I noticed that someone vouched for the OP, and I would do the same for rustyisin. I've done multiple higher-end deals with him, and they've always gone off without a hitch.
I'm not going to knock either side, and I hope they get their deal worked out. |
[QUOTE=Craig;11537598]I noticed that someone vouched for the OP, and I would do the same for rustyisin. I've done multiple higher-end deals with him, and they've always gone off without a hitch.
I'm not going to knock either side, and [B]I hope they get their deal worked out.[/B][/QUOTE] Can't now, he's taking his ball and going home. |
[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537576]Anybody who wants to avoid deals with me knowing the details of this transaction is welcome to.[/QUOTE]
I am just pointing out that this is something you two could have figured out without pointing fingers. |
[QUOTE=Boo;11537626]Can't now, he's taking his ball and going home.[/QUOTE]
Seems like it would have been a good time for using a middleman. |
[QUOTE=Craig;11537598]I noticed that someone vouched for the OP, and I would do the same for rustyisin. I've done multiple higher-end deals with him, and they've always gone off without a hitch.
I'm not going to knock either side, and I hope they get their deal worked out.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Boo;11537626]Can't now, he's taking his ball and going home.[/QUOTE] Yeah I only vouched for doing deals with Cardscout, in hope it would open up communications again with these two, I am sure Rusty is a decent person and does good deals, but with the responses and lack of caring from Rusty, I am inclined to think a little different, he keeps insisting Cardscout purposely avoided him for a huge 2 days when it was a Sat and Sun?? His quick action to revoke the deal and pay to have the card removed from the mail system, when he clearly has Cardscouts $700 is well wrong in my opinion. Since the logistic details was not agreed upon in the talks, the reaction is overreacted lol. It could of been worked out easy, but now it is all messed up and Cardscout has to wait for a refund?? Too bad as it sounded like a decent deal on both ends and I think would of turned out ok if a little patience and understanding was used. Rusty you always had the paypal protection even though it was only a portion of the deal if the specifics was noted in the paypal transaction then you should not of worry., so all I am saying is you was not hung out to dry and could of work this out in private, both of you!!! |
So why is rusty getting flack here????
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[QUOTE=jlzinck;11537714]So why is rusty getting flack here????[/QUOTE]
You well know how it is here, some just like posting what they think, me, I was just trying to point out facts and hopefully get these two to resolve amicably. From what I have read, Rusty in my opinion over-reacted a little and started the claim process. It could of been a easy fix and none of this would of took place. Neither SPECIFIED the logistics when making the deal, but now that is the main reason they are at ends on it ??? As I said prior, Rusty being in Canada with 14 feedbacks here ( nowhere else counts) and oh yeah $700 of Cardscouts money, I can see Cardcouts side of it, but I also see Rusty's side as well. Again it could of all been a easy fix but now look at it. Also Rusty's reply to members here not wanting to deal with him due to this type of reaction, well that is why he is getting FLACK, lol He seems like he really does not care, it is his way or the highway The qutoe from above post Originally Posted by sasports I probably would have kept quiet in this thread in your shoes. Looking at the details from both ends, you have nothing to gain but a lot to lose by making yourself known. the other member was asking a question about policy and made it a point not to call you out, and your here trashing him and accusing him of something without any proof. There are a lot of members on BO that spend a lot of money who will likely not want to deal with you knowing that you are acting this way over a simple miscommunication. And honestly, I dont answer my emails daily. I have a life away from ball cards. Quote by Rusty: Anybody who wants to avoid deals with me knowing the details of this transaction is welcome to. |
the easy fix would have been for Cardscout to tell me that he'd been delayed in getting my cards out and would do that today. Instead he petitioned this forum looking for support into the deceitful way he conducted this transaction.
"He seems like he really does not care, it is his way or the highway" Check your facts. This is the attitude of Cardscout, not me. |
[QUOTE=IronMonkey415;11537244]Next time send them to me and I'll mail them out to right people with fortune cookies note in them.
This is a new service I'm thinking of creating here on BO.[/QUOTE] My son had a fortune cookie last week with no fortune in it. Did you take it? |
[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537769]the easy fix would have been for Cardscout to tell me that he'd been delayed in getting my cards out and would do that today. Instead he petitioned this forum looking for support into the deceitful way he conducted this transaction.
"He seems like he really does not care, it is his way or the highway" Check your facts. This is the attitude of Cardscout, not me.[/QUOTE] I am thinking he posted this thread after you refused the idea of sending first, I would like to see some screen shots of the actual conversation via PM, I am thinking he said , I am waiting for the card to arrive before I send thinking it was a rule for anyone under 20 to send first, heck you are on SCF so you understand this. Two, it is you who said the above quote not cardscout, and to me it sounds like if it does not go your way then you do not care what other think or want. But that has nothing to do with the facts of this deal. Post some screen shots of the PM;s , show me where you think he is trying to deceive you in a sneaky way??? You making a claim once the card is in the mail is a red flag for me. I understand it was only partial payment but $700 and the pretense you are going to receive some cards in the mail as the part of that deal, then I would of waited or said, ok sorry we did not discuss this originally but I know about a rule on SCF must send first if below 20 feedbacks. So since you know about said rule on other site, there is no reason for you to react this way and say he is trying to rip you off somehow or he is being a sneak about it. I would of said, ok I will wait for the cards to come, are you going to send today or tomorrow? Did you actually ask that? Two days over a weekend ( Sat & Sun ) is not waiting in my opinion. |
[QUOTE=gingerscards;11537791][B]I am thinking he [/B]posted this thread after you refused the idea of sending first, I would like to see some screen shots of the actual conversation via PM,
[B]I am thinking he [/B]said , I am waiting for the card to arrive before I send thinking it was a rule for anyone under 20 to send first, heck you are on SCF so you understand this. Two, it is you who said the above quote not cardscout, and to me it sounds like if it does not go your way then you do not care what other think or want. But that has nothing to do with the facts of this deal. Post some screen shots of the PM;s , show me where you think he is trying to deceive you in a sneaky way??? You making a claim once the card is in the mail is a red flag for me. I understand it was only partial payment but $700 and the pretense you are going to receive some cards in the mail as the part of that deal, then I would of waited or said, ok sorry we did not discuss this originally but I know about a rule on SCF must send first if below 20 feedbacks. So since you know about said rule on other site, there is no reason for you to react this way and say he is trying to rip you off somehow or he is being a sneak about it. I would of said, ok I will wait for the cards to come, are you going to send today or tomorrow? Did you actually ask that?[/QUOTE] This is the problem in this thread and in many other threads, to many people "thinking" they know what happened. |
[QUOTE=TarjetasBéisbol;11537800]This is the problem in this thread and in many other threads, to many people "thinking" they know what happened.[/QUOTE]
It is what we are left with when there is no screenshots of conversation and all we have is details laid out in the thread, that are not all there yet? So, when I say," I am thinking" it is all I have to work with and covering myself in case a fact surfaces that makes my opinion off or wrong., the real problem with most post like your describing, is speaking without thinking or having read all the facts or read the OP at all, many do that |
Sorry I missed most of this because i am actually at work and can't sit here worried about whether he is going to refund my money and pay $30 to get the card sent back to him. The only thing that worries me in all this is my feedback and justifiably I do believe I deserve negative feedback in all this because I did in fact give bad information and I have been giving bad information for a long time because I was given bad information when i first came to the site. If that is what happens it will truly be a travesty to me but in all actuality I guess I do deserve it because I was wrong and I did tell him it was a rule as though it was law. That was what I was lead to believe and that is what I have been saying to any new member I have traded with. I was not doing it to deceive it was merely what I was lead to believe. If I was doing it to deceive what would I have gained from it besides being safe and assuring I was getting what I was supposed to get. As you can see by my feedback everyone else got what they were promised to. There was no benefit on my part nor intent to unknowingly deceive anyone. I apologize to anyone I made send me first by saying it was the rule when I should have said it was my rule. I actually started this thread thinking someone was going to send me a link but now I know no such link exists. Sorry Rutyisin
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Whoa just catching up.
I didn't avoid him for two days!!!!!! Just on the forum alone I spoke with him on everyday but Sunday. Come on it's a sin to conduct business on Sunday. Give me a break. |
messages from this morning:
[B]Cardscout:[/B] "Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "yes, you missed communicating to me. Please send tracking when available". [B]Cardscout:[/B] "I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "that's not OK Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical. I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away. Send the cards" "I view it as your purchase, not mine. It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for the balance of your payment via trade items". what is your ebay account? "And don't tell me you don't have one. Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to" [B]Cardscout 9:26am:[/B] "I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy" "Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you". [B]rustyisin:[/B] "I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that. Show me the policy you are referring to on trading". [url]https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us[/url] "I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice" Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31 |
[QUOTE=CardScout;11537831]Sorry I missed most of this because i am actually at work and can't sit here worried about whether he is going to refund my money and pay $30 to get the card sent back to him. The only thing that worries me in all this is my feedback and justifiably I do believe I deserve negative feedback in all this because I did in fact give bad information and I have been giving bad information for a long time because I was given bad information when i first came to the site. If that is what happens it will truly be a travesty to me but in all actuality I guess I do deserve it because I was wrong and I did tell him it was a rule as though it was law. That was what I was lead to believe and that is what I have been saying to any new member I have traded with. I was not doing it to deceive it was merely what I was lead to believe. If I was doing it to deceive what would I have gained from it besides being safe and assuring I was getting what I was supposed to get. As you can see by my feedback everyone else got what they were promised to. There was no benefit on my part nor intent to unknowingly deceive anyone. I apologize to anyone I made send me first by saying ti was the rule when I should have said it was my rule. I actually started this thread thinking someone was going to send me a link but now I know no such link exists. Sorry Rutyisin[/QUOTE]
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One thing I don't understand is if you view it like a purchase the only person that sent money is me? So what do you mean by that?? And more importantly what was your point?
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Thanks TarjetasBéisbol that means a lot!!
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[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537867]messages from this morning:
[B]Cardscout:[/B] "Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "yes, you missed communicating to me. Please send tracking when available". [B]Cardscout:[/B] "I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "that's not OK Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical. I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away. Send the cards" "I view it as your purchase, not mine. It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for the balance of your payment via trade items". what is your ebay account? "And don't tell me you don't have one. Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to" [B]Cardscout 9:26am:[/B] "I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy" "Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you". [B]rustyisin:[/B] "I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that. Show me the policy you are referring to on trading". [url]https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us[/url] "I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice" Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31[/QUOTE] Wow.....I know someone asked for this, but again, I would have kept it to myself. Cardscout has been very polite and tried to work this out from what these messages show. very bad business |
Also thank you Ginger I noticed that you were sticking up for me when I couldn't defend myself and I appreciate more than words could ever say.
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Wow, once again thank you sasports I don't know you but I am glad someone else saw that besides me.
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[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537867]messages from this morning:
[B]Cardscout:[/B] "Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "yes, you missed communicating to me. Please send tracking when available". [B]Cardscout:[/B] "I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] [B]"that's not OK Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical. I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away. Send the cards" [/B] "I view it as your purchase, not mine. It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for the balance of your payment via trade items". what is your ebay account? "And don't tell me you don't have one. Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to" [B]Cardscout 9:26am:[/B] "I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy" "Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you". [B]rustyisin:[/B] "I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that. Show me the policy you are referring to on trading". [url]https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us[/url] "I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice" Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31[/QUOTE] Haha, I knew I was right, yeah you jumped the gun and you know very well about new members sending first rules since you are on SCF, it may not be a rule here but for you to act this way is wrong , I bolded a part, I thought shows a little your character here and your intentions on this deal. His last words to you was let me find the rule, then when he could not, he started a thread asking for help just with that, he never mentioned you until you posted thinking you was defending yourself, and when you did, you ask me , I think you hurt yourself more then defend yourself. Again a little patience and understand would of went along way with this deal. Reading Cardscouts replies to you, I think he was trying to do the right thing and if asked or worked out, he would of mailed right away even after your last pm with him. But that ended with your post here and the fact you filed a return claim with Post Office to stop delivery |
Why do people keep saying that rustyisin is a new member? He's been on the board 2 months shy of 3 years.
As [B]MOST [/B]trades work, you send at the same time unless it is worked out ahead of time. It wasn't. rustyisin sent, assuming both would send at the same time. Cardscout didn't, citing a rule that doesn't exist on the reason why he didn't send out, and is wrong for that. However, anyone giving rustyisin crap for this needs to take a step back. Both were at fault for not clearly setting the expectations for the trade. One assumed one thing, the other assumed another. If you are going to give rustyisin any crap, you better be giving Cardscout the same amount. |
[QUOTE=Verufian;11537985]Why do people keep saying that rustyisin is a new member? He's been on the board 2 months shy of 3 years.
As [B]MOST [/B]trades work, you send at the same time unless it is worked out ahead of time. It wasn't. rustyisin sent, assuming both would send at the same time. Cardscout didn't, citing a rule that doesn't exist on the reason why he didn't send out, and is wrong for that. However, anyone giving rustyisin crap for this needs to take a step back. Both were at fault for not clearly setting the expectations for the trade. One assumed one thing, the other assumed another. If you are going to give rustyisin any crap, you better be giving Cardscout the same amount.[/QUOTE] The reason one is being given crap and the other isnt is simple. Yes they both are in the wrong on this. But one of them is trying to fix it while the other is being unreasonable and difficult. That is why rustyisin is getting crap. This was a simple misunderstanding that blew up over absolutely nothing. |
One more thing I am trying real hard to read all the posts but I had to stop and respond to this.
I want to make something clear I don't have an ebay account!!!!! I am not refusing to give something if I simply don't have it. Is it illegal to not have an ebay account? Do I have to make one up? What the F--- how can I be judged for not having an ebay account? You can't assume I am lying about something especially something stupid like that. I can't believe that is even a point or something to post about. Deal with it I don't have an ebay account actually this has been my only source for cards and why I have taken it so seriously. What makes this worse is I actually talked to Rusty about this and how I don't like how people always take the lowest ebay sale and attach it like that is the value of the card. It really isn't fair for people like me that don't have ebay accounts. Check your text messages we talked about that and now you act like I have some secret account. Why? |
I am resetting the deal to zero at my cost.
If Cardscout isn't happy with the deal or the new conditions I set for him then he can pass on it. |
[QUOTE=Verufian;11537985]Why do people keep saying that rustyisin is a new member? He's been on the board 2 months shy of 3 years.
As [B]MOST [/B]trades work, you send at the same time unless it is worked out ahead of time. It wasn't. rustyisin sent, assuming both would send at the same time. Cardscout didn't, citing a rule that doesn't exist on the reason why he didn't send out, and is wrong for that. However, anyone giving rustyisin crap for this needs to take a step back. Both were at fault for not clearly setting the expectations for the trade. One assumed one thing, the other assumed another. If you are going to give rustyisin any crap, you better be giving Cardscout the same amount.[/QUOTE] Your right I was wrong. I admit it, I actually admitted it about an hour ago. I think that is why no one is giving me a hard time. It is hard to give someone a hard time after they admit there wrong. Think about it. |
[QUOTE=rustyisin;11538052]I am resetting the deal to zero at my cost.
If Cardscout isn't happy with the deal or the new conditions I set for him then he can pass on it.[/QUOTE] What does that mean? |
[QUOTE=CardScout;11538060]What does that mean?[/QUOTE]
Unless I misread his past posts, sounded like he is recalling the package and refunding your money. Then everything will be zero. Afterwards, his additional condition is to send at the same time. |
Communication.
If you were expecting to wait before sending, that should have been communicated beforehand. If you were expecting to send at the same time, that should have been communicated beforehand. You both seem upset that the other person has not met your expectations, but neither bothered to communicate said expectations. Communicate. |
[QUOTE=jlzinck;11537714]So why is rusty getting flack here????[/QUOTE]
Because this place is full of cancer. They agree on a trade and after the cards are shipped, the other party changed the trade agreement. With that much money ins a card, is of done the same thing. |
[QUOTE=rustyisin;11537867]messages from this morning:
[B]Cardscout:[/B] "Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?" [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "yes, you missed communicating to me. Please send tracking when available". [B][B]Cardscout:[/B] "I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done" [/B] [B]Rustyisin:[/B] "that's not OK Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical. I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away. Send the cards" "I view it as your purchase, not mine. It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for the balance of your payment via trade items". what is your ebay account? "And don't tell me you don't have one. Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to" [B]Cardscout 9:26am:[/B] "I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy" "Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you". [B]rustyisin:[/B] "I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that. Show me the policy you are referring to on trading". [url]https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us[/url] "I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice" Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31[/QUOTE] You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry. |
[QUOTE=Jacards;11539937]You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. [B]I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry.[/B][/QUOTE]
Wrong. From the posts, neither communicated how they wanted the deal to go down. They both had terrible communication (see Houdini above). Both are to blame. |
Cardscouts pm contradicts him thinking it was a forum rule. How "he usually does it" is not "I thought the rules are"
He follows normal trading procedure and this is a non issue. This thread to me is a smoke screen. |
[QUOTE=Jacards;11539937]You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry.[/QUOTE]
I agree, that bolded part is pretty damning considering nothing was ever agreed to first. If it was not discussed beforehand it would have been easy and usually safe to assume that they were shipping at the same time. |
[QUOTE=wheeler281;11539960]Cardscouts pm contradicts him thinking it was a forum rule. How "he usually does it" is not "I thought the rules are"
He follows normal trading procedure and this is a non issue. [B]This thread to me is a smoke screen.[/B][/QUOTE] Does make you wonder. |
[QUOTE=Jacards;11539937]You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry.[/QUOTE]
exactly. if i were rustyisin i would be pissed too. you shipped out a $2500 card, then 48 hours later you were told that you are not getting your card because you are a new member and that's the trading rule??? |
[QUOTE=FreeMan12406;11539373]Because this place is full of cancer. [/QUOTE]
Truth. I've seen less drama in a Hallmark movie of the week. Embarrassing for "grown men". :rolleyes: |
[QUOTE=YankeeRic;11540158]Truth. I've seen less drama in a Hallmark movie of the week. Embarrassing for "grown men". :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You watch Hallmark movies??? :coffee::coffee::coffee: |
[QUOTE=wheeler281;11539960]Cardscouts pm contradicts him thinking it was a forum rule. How "he usually does it" is not "I thought the rules are"
He follows normal trading procedure and this is a non issue. This thread to me is a smoke screen.[/QUOTE] First why would I announce to the entire forum that I have been on here for 4 years and I still have no idea what the rules are? I am not trying to advertise that I am an idiot. It was only after all this happened that I realized just how uneducated I was about this forum, especially for someone that uses it as much as I do. In being completely honest it was only after I realized I didn't know where to find the rules or how to contact a moderator that I realized the only way to find my answer was to start a thread and have other more educated and experienced members help me. It was actually hard for me to even believe it wasn't a rule and I had been living a lie after seeing the first couple posts. It wasn't until iluvfish2 posted that I realized that I had truly been lead to believe a lie and worse I had been stating it as though it was fact for years. In my personal opinion it seams like common sense that a person with a limited amount of feedback should send first because they haven't proven to be someone that can be trusted. Also I know that I take pride in my feedback and I have even made trades I regretted later after researching them further but still made them for fear of negative feedback. What can a person do if they are ripped off besides give the other person negative feedback? Is there anyway to assure that the other person live up to there half of the bargain besides the threat of negative feedback? As far as I know there is nothing so I thought that was the reason for the rule that I now know is none existent but still feel should be implemented. Had I known before hand it truly wasn't a rule I would have told the other member that I needed him to mail the cards first right in the beginning before any trade was finalized. However thinking that it was in fact an actual rule and seeing that he had been a member for quite some time even though he hadn't received very much feedback I assumed he knew the rule I now know doesn't exist. I was actually very surprised when he thought I was really going to mail the cards at the same time as him especially after already sending him $700. This thread was in no way a smoke screen it was truly a thread meant to find a rule I thought existed and still wonder why it wouldn't exist. To me sending to a moderator and then having the moderator resend the cards not only adds cost to a trade it seams pointless because why would someone with more than 200 positive feedback do anything to jeopardize said feedback? Also the person with less feedback will be waiting just as long as if he sent and waited for the other person to receive the cards before he sent them. The only difference is it costs both of them twice as much to make the trade and wastes the time of a moderator. Personally I would make a ton more trades if it wasn't for the cost and inconvenience of shipping and packaging the last thing I want to do is add to that. Especially when I have every intention of making good on my end of the trade. Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what [B]SCF[/B] is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated. |
[QUOTE=CardScout;11540244]First why would I announce to the entire forum that I have been on here for 4 years and I still have no idea what the rules are? I am not trying to advertise that I am an idiot. It was only after all this happened that I realized just how uneducated I was about this forum, especially for someone that uses it as much as I do. In being completely honest it was only after I realized I didn't know where to find the rules or how to contact a moderator that I realized the only way to find my answer was to start a thread and have other more educated and experienced members help me. It was actually hard for me to even believe it wasn't a rule and I had been living a lie after seeing the first couple posts. It wasn't until iluvfish2 posted that I realized that I had truly been lead to believe a lie and worse I had been stating it as though it was fact for years. In my personal opinion it seams like common sense that a person with a limited amount of feedback should send first because they haven't proven to be someone that can be trusted. Also I know that I take pride in my feedback and I have even made trades I regretted later after researching them further but still made them for fear of negative feedback. What can a person do if they are ripped off besides give the other person negative feedback? Is there anyway to assure that the other person live up to there half of the bargain besides the threat of negative feedback? As far as I know there is nothing so I thought that was the reason for the rule that I now know is none existent but still feel should be implemented. Had I known before hand it truly wasn't a rule I would have told the other member that I needed him to mail the cards first right in the beginning before any trade was finalized. However thinking that it was in fact an actual rule and seeing that he had been a member for quite some time even though he hadn't received very much feedback I assumed he knew the rule I now know doesn't exist. [B]I was actually very surprised when he thought I was really going to mail the cards at the same time as him especially after already sending him $700[/B]. This thread was in no way a smoke screen it was truly a thread meant to find a rule I thought existed and still wonder why it wouldn't exist. To me sending to a moderator and then having the moderator resend the cards not only adds cost to a trade it seams pointless because why would someone with more than 200 positive feedback do anything to jeopardize said feedback? Also the person with less feedback will be waiting just as long as if he sent and waited for the other person to receive the cards before he sent them. The only difference is it costs both of them twice as much to make the trade and wastes the time of a moderator. Personally I would make a ton more trades if it wasn't for the cost and inconvenience of shipping and packaging the last thing I want to do is add to that. Especially when I have every intention of making good on my end of the trade. Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what [B]SCF[/B] is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
you sounded like you have sent him the full payment. the card is worth $2500 and obviously $700 is not enough for a $2500 card. |
[QUOTE=TarjetasBéisbol;11537434]How is someone supposed to make another person do something they won't do?
The bottom line is both traders need to feel comfortable making the deal, if you don't feel comfortable just move on. Trust is good but control is better, sometimes that control will make you spend more money to make it happen. I understand your point Rusty but telling us who you are or what you do for a living may not help much, it depends on how trustworthy you are actually perceived during the transaction. Good luck with the trade. Edit: We have seen many times over that a person's iTrader or eBay feedback is only as good as their last transaction.[/QUOTE] Well yeah - I can't make anyone do anything - I thought my point was clear though that I'd either not make the deal or use a 3rd party if it was the only other option. I certainly can't make someone send first. The deal simply wouldn't go down. |
[QUOTE=CardScout;11540244]I was actually very surprised when he thought I was really going to mail the cards at the same time as him especially after already sending him $700.[/QUOTE]
You were surprised at this? Is this real life? I mean, yeah, why would he think you were shipping at the same time? Stupid new trader. :rolleyes: |
[QUOTE=CardScout;11540244]Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what [B]SCF[/B] is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
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This was so easily avoidable...
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[QUOTE=BostonNut;11540474]This was so easily avoidable...[/QUOTE]
BINGO |
[QUOTE=Boo;11540173]You watch Hallmark movies??? :coffee::coffee::coffee:[/QUOTE]
Happy wife, happy life. :)! |
Coming from such a prestige member as myself. When I demand people to send first, they send first.
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Just in case anyone was wondering the card is back in Washington and none of my $700 has been refunded.
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