thoughts on Jimmy G card values
 

who thinks Jimmy G can live up to the hype and drive his cards up even higher, I glanced at the early schedule and at the vikings week 1 is certainly a hard game, week 3 at KC isn't that easy either

[QUOTE=bobluck1980;13878268]who thinks Jimmy G can live up to the hype and drive his cards up even higher, I glanced at the early schedule and at the vikings week 1 is certainly a hard game, week 3 at KC isn't that easy either[/QUOTE]

He will lose a game this year. Probably.

[QUOTE=bobluck1980;13878268]who thinks Jimmy G can live up to the hype and drive his cards up even higher, I glanced at the early schedule and at the vikings week 1 is certainly a hard game, week 3 at KC isn't that easy either[/QUOTE]

KC defense has looked pretty bad so far. That game could be high scoring.

I think McKinnon getting hurt may have a small effect on them. If Hyde has good year, Jimmy will have a good year.

I also think Goodwin becomes a star this year. His speed will be on display with Jimmy as his QB.

[QUOTE=cking;13878357]I think McKinnon getting hurt may have a small effect on them. If Hyde has good year, Jimmy will have a good year.

I also think Goodwin becomes a star this year. His speed will be on display with Jimmy as his QB.[/QUOTE]

Hyde is in Brown Town. It’s up to Alfred Morris and Matt Breida for now.

Buy high; sell low.

[QUOTE=bobluck1980;13878268]who thinks Jimmy G can live up to the hype and drive his cards up even higher, I glanced at the early schedule and at the vikings week 1 is certainly a hard game, week 3 at KC isn't that easy either[/QUOTE]

Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that people are dropping this kind of money on an essentially unproven talent who has started 7 games and is about to turn 27?

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13878385]Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that people are dropping this kind of money on an essentially unproven talent who has started 7 games and is about to turn 27?[/QUOTE]

Yes, buy some while there’s still time.

There is still growth. The RB injury has an impact but Breida and Morris should be enough, for now.

I cashed out about half my hold over the course of the offseason. Market is pretty saturated at the moment imo because everyone is trying to hedge/sell high at the same time right now. For his cards to maintain their values the Niners need to not only be winning but winning because of him and for his cards to skyrocket further he needs to do all that plus end up like a media celebrity pop icon type person which if that were to happen to an NFL player he’d certainly be at the top of the list. But yeah, all your mom’s need to know who he is to see another huge jump imo

My mom still thinks Joe Montana plays for the 49ers, so Jimmy’s cards will tank.

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;13878375]Buy high; sell low.[/QUOTE]

I'm betting on that, from others.

I could see his prices going up for the the first couple weeks but he would would have to maintain an unbelievable High level of play to sustain his current prices, especially considering how many autos of him in a niners uni are coming out

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13878385]Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that people are dropping this kind of money on an essentially unproven talent who has started 7 games and is about to turn 27?[/QUOTE]

Gem Mint graded SP Authentics which is his [I]non auto college card "rookie"[/I] are routinely selling for absurd amounts. Clecters can spend their money any which way they choose to, but still.

if he was a back up to anyone else in the NFL we would not be having this conversation, people hope he is the next Brady but he is 27 playing for a rebuilding 49ers. My question is why would anyone purchase or trade for his stuff when its at an all time inflated high. Unless he wins a few MVP's, breaks some records, wins some super bowls and creates another 49ers dynasty and becomes a household name, is mentioned in talks as the greatest of all time there is nowhere to go but down

What happened to Hyde?

[QUOTE=cking;13878594]What happened to Hyde?[/QUOTE]

Hyde's on the Browns

[QUOTE=Siberian13;13878394]Yes, buy some while there’s still time.[/QUOTE]

Nah, there are better ways to waste money.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13878605]Hyde's on the Browns[/QUOTE]

I need to start keeping up more with this stuff. I did not even realize that. When did this happen?

Why would he want to go there with Jimmy G in San Fran as the starter now?

By week 6, Kraft will be upset they traded the wrong guy

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Needs to lose one and get that out the way and then do the damn thing. I don't think the RB situation is that big of a deal.

I sold my BGS 9.5 SP Authentic Gold /99 back at the beginning of the year for around $1700 because while it could go higher and might be as I haven't looked at the going rate since, but unless he has just an MVP season, and wins the Super Bowl, I see his stuff coming down a bit.

I’m buying but picking my spots

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[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13878385]Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that people are dropping this kind of money on an essentially unproven talent who has started 7 games and is about to turn 27?[/QUOTE]

No I’ve been saying this too. I keep saying he’s not making the playoffs this year

Remember when Kaep was hot? And he wasn't even a good QB.

Jimmy G is beyond better.

Everyone is just hating. People did the same with Brady in '07 and he had his first spike.

[QUOTE=marinocollector;13879274][B]Remember when Kaep was hot? And he wasn't even a good QB.

[/B]Jimmy G is beyond better.

Everyone is just hating. People did the same with Brady in '07 and he had his first spike.[/QUOTE]

How about 3/4's of the QB's that come out every single year. People forget he actually showed he could play in a real game last year taking over a team that had not won a game yet to go undefeated the rest of the year if I remember correctly? Anyway I bought low from the minute I started watching stuff leading to 2014 draft. I made some money of the cards I bought. Not a killing and still have a couple!

I mean I paid $40.....last one I saw sell did $240.....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/63lYSHu.jpg[/img]

Garoppolo is like when Jerry Garcia died and all those G. Dead fans started following Phish. They were so desperate to hang on to that old thing they transferred their fandom to the new thing. As a Niner fan I hope he’s the second coming but the odds are against that happening.

[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;13879941]Garoppolo is like when Jerry Garcia died and all those G. Dead fans started following Phish. They were so desperate to hang on to that old thing they transferred their fandom to the new thing. As a Niner fan I hope he’s the second coming but the odds are against that happening.[/QUOTE]

You lost me, so Jimmy is Phish? Who is Jerry/Dead then, Montana?

[QUOTE=thenwhatjk;13880160]You lost me, so Jimmy is Phish? Who is Jerry/Dead then, Montana?[/QUOTE]

Tom Brady is The Grateful Dead and and Jimmy is Phish. My point being that all the people that NEED there to be a next Brady are going all in on his understudy without much to support the big $$$ money being spent.

I mean this is speculation at it's most ridiculous. I hope Jimmy succeeds, obviously, but he could be just OK or very good (likely) and all the folks who dropped $3500 on BGS 9 NT RPAs will wonder while they wasted that dough.

Have you seen the Niners OLine and D? Unless Jimmy can also sack the QB 16 times this season, he not winning a super bowl.

Anyone remember 2013 Nick Foles?

Or how about 'Your new 2017 MVP and Super Bowl champion ---Derek Carr!!'

Jimmy is kind of like a chameleon sometimes he looks like Rodgers, sometimes he looks like Brady. When he was with the Pats they often made him mimic opposing quarterbacks to help prepare the defense. I remember how they praised him for helping prepare NE for Russell Wilson leading up to super bowl 49. If you listen to his cadence or the way he talks to teammates in the huddle he sounds just like Brady.

Just sold one of my PSA 10 ice's for $5799 so he isn't slowing down yet.

[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;13880411]Jimmy is kind of like a chameleon sometimes he looks like Rodgers, sometimes he looks like Brady. When he was with the Pats they often made him mimic opposing quarterbacks to help prepare the defense. I remember how they praised him for helping prepare NE for Russell Wilson leading up to super bowl 49. If you listen to his cadence or the way he talks to teammates in the huddle he sounds just like Brady.[/QUOTE]

We get it. You have a S-ton of Jimmy Geesus and you're praying/hoping he doesn't turn out to be just another hyped up QB. :)

[QUOTE=majestik101;13880459]We get it. You have a S-ton of Jimmy Geesus and you're praying/hoping he doesn't turn out to be just another hyped up QB. :)[/QUOTE]
I'm in the boat with him lol.

[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;13880251]all the folks who dropped $3500 on BGS 9 NT RPAs will wonder while they wasted that dough.
[/QUOTE]

Hmmm well a BGS 9 with a patriot head went for about half that last night and I only got 2600ish on a 9.5 a couple weeks ago but point taken

[QUOTE=marinocollector;13879274]Remember when Kaep was hot? And he wasn't even a good QB.

Jimmy G is beyond better.

[B]Everyone is just hating. People did the same with Brady in '07 and he had his first spike.[/B][/QUOTE]

Most astute post of thread....

Kyle Shanahan is a good coach. Probably one of the best offensive minds in the league. He's in a great place. He'll get the most out of him.

[QUOTE=thenwhatjk;13880522]Hmmm well a BGS 9 with a patriot head went for about half that last night and I only got 2600ish on a 9.5 a couple weeks ago but point taken[/QUOTE]

The one with the Patriot head was raw.

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;13880362]Anyone remember 2013 Nick Foles?[/QUOTE]

THIS may very well be the most astute point of the thread. Even now, as a SB winner with the team that drafted him, the heat is off.

There is only one Brady.

[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;13880684]The one with the Patriot head was raw.



THIS may very well be the most astute point of the thread. Even now, as a SB winner with the team that drafted him, the heat is off.

[B]There is only one Brady[/B].[/QUOTE]

That's correct. Brady has set the bar so high it would take 16 years of averaging 14 wins a year, 14 division titles, 12 AFC championship appearances, 8 super bowl appearances, 5 SB wins, 3 MVP's and 4 SB MVP's to come close to matching his success. Once you take the time to process that thought...it's mind boggling. :)

I’ve read zero posts

Luck Contenders 9.5/10 used to get $2,500

I got $2,300 for mine

People are dumb

[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;13880684]The one with the Patriot head was raw.


[/QUOTE]

The raw patriot head one got 1441

The RCR 9/10 patriot head one got 1825 literally the same minute


Either way, if anyone is paying 3600 for a BGS 9 I would like to meet you

[QUOTE=asujbl;13880721]

People are dumb[/QUOTE]

Most astute post of thread....

Unless the 49ers win in the playoffs these prices will inevitably go down. Right now they are the second (maybe third best team in their division) and the NFC is loaded this year.

I think he is a solid talent but everyone knows how fickle this hobby is, and people will be flocking to dump their money into the "Next Tom Brady" this year.

[QUOTE=aaron2;13880849]everyone knows how fickle this hobby is, and people will be flocking to dump their money into [B][I]Sam Darnold[/I][/B] this year.[/QUOTE]

fixed

I like Darnold from what i've seen so far. No chance at beating out the Patriots in the division though. Maybe in a couple years after Brady and Bill retire.

[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;13880888]I like Darnold from what i've seen so far. No chance at beating out the Patriots in the division though. Maybe in a couple years after Brady and Bill retire.[/QUOTE]

I dunno I mean I'm looking at their schedule, they could realistically begin the season 3-0. Heck they could be 8-2 in their first 10 games. That will send everyone into a tizzy.

What is Jimmy’s correct slotting amongst QBs in terms of card value? Who is he more than that he shouldn’t be?

He’s below Goff now. He’s below Watson now, speaking of QBs who have exactly 7 games experience

Jimmy G. has a very very rough game Sunday.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13878385]Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that people are dropping this kind of money on an essentially unproven talent who has started 7 games and is about to turn 27?[/QUOTE]

No...

[QUOTE=thenwhatjk;13880908]What is Jimmy’s correct slotting amongst QBs in terms of card value? Who is he more than that he shouldn’t be?

He’s below Goff now. He’s below Watson now, speaking of QBs who have exactly 7 games experience[/QUOTE]

He sells for more than Watson and Goff.

Although Watson has played 7 games, he's 4 years younger than Garopollo. If he stays healthy he could have 20,000 yards and 120+ TDs by the time he's Jimmy G's age.

For those who think that training under the watchful eye of Tom Brady as a young NFL QB will translate into any sort of success anywhere else should take a look at this article. Such notable names as Damon Huard, Bobby Hoyer, Ryan Mallet, Jacoby Brissett, etc.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/where-are-they-now-tom-brady-backup-quarterbacksfff-2017-10[/url]

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13881696]He sells for more than Watson and Goff.[/QUOTE]

The card I had in mind as a barometer was a PSA 10 Contenders for each guy, in which case I am correct. In the past few months the jimmy has dropped about $500 while Goff and Watson have surged past. Which, to me, is a totally logical correction

[QUOTE]Although Watson has played 7 games, he's 4 years younger than Garopollo. If he stays healthy he could have 20,000 yards and 120+ TDs by the time he's Jimmy G's age.[/QUOTE]

So we’re now working off of Watson staying perfectly healthy for the next four years but Jimmy is Damon Huard, got it

[QUOTE=thenwhatjk;13881830]The card I had in mind as a barometer was a PSA 10 Contenders for each guy, in which case I am correct. In the past few months the jimmy has dropped about $500 while Goff and Watson have surged past. Which, to me, is a totally logical correction

[/QUOTE]

What are print runs comparisons for 2014 & 2016/2017 Contenders?

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13881706]For those who think that training under the watchful eye of Tom Brady as a young NFL QB will translate into any sort of success anywhere else should take a look at this article. Such notable names as Damon Huard, Bobby Hoyer, Ryan Mallet, Jacoby Brissett, etc. [/QUOTE]

Yea but how many of those QB's you mentioned made public appearances with pron stars :)

[B] People are dumb[/B]
[QUOTE=cking;13880845]Most astute post of thread....[/QUOTE]

Yup-we have a new winner!

[QUOTE=thenwhatjk;13881830]The card I had in mind as a barometer was a PSA 10 Contenders for each guy, in which case I am correct. In the past few months the jimmy has dropped about $500 while Goff and Watson have surged past. Which, to me, is a totally logical correction



So we’re now working off of Watson staying perfectly healthy for the next four years but Jimmy is Damon Huard, got it[/QUOTE]

After following up, all three Contenders RC prices are going for the same price.

You clearly don't understand the point about the article I posted.

If Jimmy G averaged 4000 yards and 30 TDs a year for the next ten years, he'd be 37 with 40,000 career passing yards and 300 TDs. Similar numbers as Carson Palmer.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13883326]If Jimmy G averaged 4000 yards and 30 TDs a year for the next ten years, he'd be 37 with 40,000 career passing yards and 300 TDs. Similar numbers as Carson Palmer.[/QUOTE]

He'll have a couple of rings though....

[QUOTE=cardmole;13883338]He'll have a couple of rings though....[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha

You're hung up on his age. 26 is the same age Aaron Rodgers was when he took over in GB. Steve Young was 30 when he got his shot and Roger Staubach was 29. They all did pretty well for themselves.

[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;13883435]You're hung up on his age. 26 is the same age Aaron Rodgers was when he took over in GB. Steve Young was 30 when he got his shot and Roger Staubach was 29. They all did pretty well for themselves.[/QUOTE]

If you want to bank on Jimmy G being a rare outlier like those guys, then more power to you. Hobby-wise Young and Staubach are afterthoughts.

[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;13883435]You're hung up on his age. 26 is the same age Aaron Rodgers was when he took over in GB. Steve Young was 30 when he got his shot and Roger Staubach was 29. They all did pretty well for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Yeah-seems like a lot of baseball prospector guys in here. If you're over 20 years old you're toast...lol

Im just saying it's not impossible to have a great career if you don't start at 22. It wasn't that long ago that it was normal for quarterbacks to sit for a few years after being drafted instead of being thrust into the starting role as QB. It's not like it was his fault what was Belichick supposed to do bench Brady? unfortunate set of circumstance just like Rodgers and Young is why they had to wait as well. That's why i used them as examples.

Patriots have been in 3 super bowls since they drafted Jimmy. Hard to steal the starting qb job if you're him.

[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;13883465]Patriots have been in 3 super bowls since they drafted Jimmy. Hard to steal the starting qb job if you're him.[/QUOTE]

No backup QB from NE has ever gone on to do anything worthwhile in the NFL. Maybe Jimmy G is different, but the deck is stacked against him, hobby-wise and career-wise. If you're buying at these prices right now, it's objectively foolish.

I have one base Topps Chrome I got for under .50 back in the day which is gradable, but I am gonna hold on to it and might list it Saturday that way I'll make money either way.

However, that speaks to the hype/buying train will be in my opinion if you get my drift.

Tom Brady Was a backup right ?[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13883486]No backup QB from NE has ever gone on to do anything worthwhile in the NFL. Maybe Jimmy G is different, but the deck is stacked against him, hobby-wise and career-wise. If you're buying at these prices right now, it's objectively foolish.[/QUOTE]

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Oh i agree the prices are high based on the relative small sample size. But i don't buy into the logic of "well no other quarterback who's played for the Patriots and moved on to another team has done well" that doesn't mean anything, he's a completely different person and clearly better then all of those other guys. What does Ryan Mallet or whoever have to do with Garoppolo? I don't get how you can even compare different players like that i guess. Kyle Shanahan is an offensive guru, he made Matt Ryan MVP. I think he'll do alright in SF.

[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;13883530]Oh i agree the prices are high based on the relative small sample size. But i don't buy into the logic of "well no other quarterback who's played for the Patriots and moved on to another team has done well" that doesn't mean anything, he's a completely different person and clearly better then all of those other guys. What does Ryan Mallet or whoever have to do with Garoppolo? I don't get how you can even compare different players like that i guess. Kyle Shanahan is an offensive guru, he made Matt Ryan MVP. I think he'll do alright in SF.[/QUOTE]

There is hype surrounding the fact that he came from the NE system as Tom Brady's backup. If he came from another system the hype ans prices would be half of what they are.

[QUOTE=chippv;13883527]Tom Brady Was a backup right ?

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Yes, not sure I see the point.

I had planned to move most of my Jimmy stuff before the season started. When I looked at the QB situation in the NFL right now, I realized there isn't another QB that I like more than Jimmy right now to take over when Brady, Brees, Rodgers are done. Someone has to be the best of the new wave. There are some other guys I like as well, but none I feel have as much potential as Jimmy does in his unique situation. If Jimmy can turn that franchise around there is a LOT of money in the SF area. Hopefully threads like this will be revisited with fondness and not regret.

[QUOTE=SleeperCards;13884058]I had planned to move most of my Jimmy stuff before the season started. When I looked at the QB situation in the NFL right now, I realized there isn't another QB that I like more than Jimmy right now to take over when Brady, Brees, Rodgers are done. Someone has to be the best of the new wave. There are some other guys I like as well, but none I feel have as much potential as Jimmy does in his unique situation. If Jimmy can turn that franchise around there is a LOT of money in the SF area. Hopefully threads like this will be revisited with fondness and not regret.[/QUOTE]

Goff, Wentz, Prescott, Watson have more upside IMO

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13883305]After following up, all three Contenders RC prices are going for the same price.

You clearly don't understand the point about the article I posted.[/QUOTE]

I clearly didn’t click thru on a dang businessinsider.com link, correct. Now that I have, I’ve seen that before actually and again I guess I just fail to see how he is locked into the same fate as Damon Huard. I guess we’ll see though! It’s crazy, they’re about to start playing the games!


As far as the prices, let’s walk through this together and again we are talking psa 10 Contenders as barometer-


Jimmy peaked around 1500. I got 1500 ebay for one of mine in I believe April. Since then he’s had-

1 lackluster draft
2 lackluster FA class
3 looked bad enough in OTA’s that Cowherd did a piece on it
4 the pron star thing

I believe the lowest it got since I got 1500 for one was 880. That’s a big dip. I’ve sold three more in the past month with the consignors and they’ve all been between 997-1100. I did just see the most recent got 1250 but there’s three more ending in the next few days. Like I said earlier, people do seem to be dumping.


For Goff, every time one sells it’s a new high. I feel pretty confident in that as I keep bidding and not winning. Last couple were 1280 then 1350.


For Watson, it looks like he’s been steady 1250-1400 for the 3 months ebay goes back. I feel like he took a jump earlier in the offseason though



So back to my original question, what is Jimmy’s correct value slotting amongst NFL quarterbacks? Over the past 6 months, things have corrected and he’s settled below those guys. What’s the right slot though for a guy with his specific set of circumstances: from looking pretty damn amazing in going 7-0 to being geriatric at 27 to having the general public interest in him to the gross pron star etc etc etc. When I realized that 1 Jimmy = 4-5 Mariota I bought more Mariota. It’s about 1.5 Mahomes for a Jimmy, should Mahomes be way more based on what he’s done? 2 Mitch for a Jimmy? What about the greatest QB of our generation Matthew Stafford?

If he’s good, his stuff is going to be fine. Damon Huard being not good shouldn’t affect anything

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;13884102]Goff, Wentz, Prescott, Watson have more upside IMO[/QUOTE]

Upside is there with Watson/Wentz. Just worried about those legs. I like Goff and he’s surrounded by talent and good coaches. Dak I’m not sure yet. Zeke back helps though.