First Buzz: 2020 Topps Series 2 baseball cards
 

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It’s about time. I’m sure everyone has been waiting for Series 2 to drop.

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Not a big fan of the design tbh.



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Interesting last sentence in the description-
[I]"Gold foil will be hobby jumbo only while Black parallels and Clears will only be found in hobby packs"[/I]
Didnt they mistakenly announce this in a recent flagship buzz release also, only to find the blacks are still in jumbo?
Can u imagine no blacks avail in jumbo?
I was hoping the mockup would show an RC- we'd maybe know one of the "held back" RCs for s2

Luis Robert and Jo Adell!

[QUOTE=Stech36;15426141]Luis Robert and Jo Adell![/QUOTE]

Lou Bob for sure!

$80+ a box, are they insane?

[QUOTE=Gradek;15428909]$80+ a box, are they insane?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Gradek;15428909]$80+ a box, are they insane?[/QUOTE]

Just buy it after release. I keep telling people this with all of the jacked up pre-buy prices. 2019 Update released at $1,200-$1,300 a case. I bought all of mine in the $700s after release. Almost every single release drops shortly after. No need to jump on at these prices. Series 2 has sucked nearly every year as well. 2019 was an outlier, and 2018 was just good because of Acuna bat down. I bought it for under cost for a long time.

When the Series 1 sell sheet was released, I was less than excited about the design, but it's starting to grow on me...

I like how the parallel color / design [I]appears[/I] to be kept out of the player's picture. And I think this will help Topps Chrome and Sapphire with their look in parallels too.

Just got my allotment of S2...1 box of hobby and 1 box of Jumbo. I got a case of each last year. I know BO has $1000/case presale right now so it's got my mind wandering about what's going on. Word is my distributor was cut bad from Topps. This seems really crazy for flagship and without and real reason. Luis Robert really driving this? I can't buy it. I wonder if people are speculating or if they have insider information. S2 retail may be the way of the future for me. I can only imagine this will continue with Update.

$80 for a box of regular Topps cards with no checklist!? At what point will people stop buying at these ridiculous prices?

90% of these boxes will have a Chris Sale relic, and Raudy Tellez gold parallel as the best "hits." Don't do it!

I think this will be remembered as the time where anyone that isn't an established group breaker is just SOL. It's now either pay secondary mark-up or be happy getting Opening Day and last year's junk. There's no explanation for where it's going. Breakers aren't ripping that much flagship but now they can use their allotments to make money on products they used to sell at or below cost just to keep their allotment figures high.

Looking like Series 2 may be a on the weaker side this year since MLB may not even begin until mid season...Robert will most likely be in though, we shall see.

I find it bizarre that my hobby allocations were cut even further last week. Lots of blasters still coming.

[QUOTE=GoBeavs;15707927]I find it bizarre that my hobby allocations were cut even further last week. Lots of blasters still coming.[/QUOTE]

Production cuts maybe? No way the same demand is still there at this point.

lol at the same $1,000 price tag on cases of this lol

I think they are cutting allocation to present the idea of demand, this will likely be one of the worst releases in recent memory for Series 2. No new prospects, which unfortunately will lean into Topps Chrome and Topps Chrome Sapphire and HHN. HHN at least will have solo rookie cards but yeah it's going to a rough rest of the year once we get past Bowman.

[QUOTE=premium1981;15707935]Production cuts maybe? No way the same demand is still there at this point.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, no way demand can be high on this....I would even bet that brick and mortar stores are canceling orders with dists due to being shut down...

topps should skip it

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;15708084]topps should skip it[/QUOTE]

I don't know what it is, but maybe Topps should do something completely different than ever before (much like MLB will have to do, and how the NBA will have to change the rest of their season). Now's a time to try something completely out of left field. IF it works great, IF not...nobody will care as S2 was going to fail anyways, in todays climate.

Robert might be enough to keep this product afloat. If he's included as a one-per-case SP like Acuna was, then I think you will see strong demand on the hobby side. Base sets would be worth nothing, but hobby case sales would be strong.

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;15708105]I don't know what it is, but maybe Topps should do something completely different than ever before (much like MLB will have to do, and how the NBA will have to change the rest of their season). Now's a time to try something completely out of left field. IF it works great, IF not...nobody will care as S2 was going to fail anyways, in todays climate.[/QUOTE]

i like it!

Any idea if Wander Franco will be in this or are they saving him for Update?

With the real possibility of the season going late or the chance at stacked doubleheaders late in the year I’d love to see Topps announce that Update will be pushed back to November or even early December.


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[QUOTE=pensfan87893;15708165]Any idea if Wander Franco will be in this or are they saving him for Update?[/QUOTE]

Zero chance he is in '20 S2. I would question wether they would even put him in Update. Update sells itself these days, so why not put him in '21 S1. Spread your money and odds out. If I was a Topps executive, I would put him in '21 S1 (which they print the crap out of) and then start picking out interior colors for my new Ferrari.

Dave - DThimesch and I on Twitter were discussing this and he brought up the idea of XRC's. You could have Adell, Wander, Julio Rodriguez, Madrigal, Pache, a multitude of players as XRC's. They obviously aren't RC's of these players but it would give Series 2 and Update some oomph.

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;15708203]Zero chance he is in '20 S2. I would question wether they would even put him in Update. Update sells itself these days, so why not put him in '21 S1. Spread your money and odds out. If I was a Topps executive, I would put him in '21 S1 (which they print the crap out of) and then start picking out interior colors for my new Ferrari.[/QUOTE]

Him headlining 2021 s1 makes alot of sense if he gets a late callup this year. It will be very interesting to see if:
A- season goes late and several late callups miss the cutoff date for Update checklist. This would set up s1 as a monster again next year, with or without Franco.
B- Update gets pushed back to include most or all of these late callups.

[QUOTE=brothertona;15708282]Dave - DThimesch and I on Twitter were discussing this and he brought up the idea of XRC's. You could have Adell, Wander, Julio Rodriguez, Madrigal, Pache, a multitude of players as XRC's. They obviously aren't RC's of these players but it would give Series 2 and Update some oomph.[/QUOTE]

I think things have gotten convoluted enough with Robert already having RCs, the s2 SPs from the last 2 years, etc. I don't think flagship cards of minor leaguers is a slope that Topps should start sliding down just yet. If they can't delay s2 then print less and move on IMO.

I totally agree with you on Robert, it makes no sense. I understand he's on the MLB roster because of his deal but throwing him in products as a redemption is very weird. We were just thinking of something outside the box.


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[QUOTE=pensfan87893;15708165]Any idea if Wander Franco will be in this or are they saving him for Update?[/QUOTE]

Is he on the MLB roster??

lol Franco isn't going to sniff the big leagues this year.

Robert alone isn't enough to justify the price of a case as it is right now.

This is going to be a rough year for rookie cards to be honest.

Might be able to get Betts as a dodger even though he has never played a game that counts for them if the season gets cancelled completely.


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Remembering there's a magical deadline for rookies mid-season to make the cut for products that year....it's highly likely EVERY rookie debut will happen after that cutoff, which means no new RCs. The RC class we have now is the RC class we're gonna get, period.

Series 2 is the one product I would hope they're conservative with. Even if it ends up with no RCs, such is life. It's flagship; it needs to cover the other half of the league that wasn't in Series 1. It'll be a good product for actual baseball card collectors; it just won't have any real RC content for the flippers.

The products that will take a beating:
Heritage High - imagine that set with veterans only
Update - no all-star game base cards, no RCs.

Where I'm really worried: the key content Topps pushes into every product is the RC auto. If there's no RCs out there because no one's debuting mid-season in time to make the product....there's going to be less autos. Less autos - reduced print run. Breakers will buy an even greater percentage of the print run of a product just by maintaining their orders. This could devastate the low-end market.

This was supposed to have special Texas Rangers special logo cards to commemorate the new stadium, I wonder if that will be delayed also...

If the season is delayed until June and if an abbreviated season is played ... say 100 games ... do they still release both Series 2 and Update? Why not have one set to cover everything. It seems excessive to release Series 2 after a few weeks of baseball.

Luis Robert has a card in opening day he's got to be included in either Series 2 or Update this year.

[QUOTE=E B;15708954]If the season is delayed until June and if an abbreviated season is played ... say 100 games ... do they still release both Series 2 and Update? Why not have one set to cover everything. It seems excessive to release Series 2 after a few weeks of baseball.

Luis Robert has a card in opening day he's got to be included in either Series 2 or Update this year.[/QUOTE]

Topps has to move product. They don’t have the desire or luxury to think about what would make sense.

[QUOTE=Technochocolate;15708813]Remembering there's a magical deadline for rookies mid-season to make the cut for products that year....it's highly likely EVERY rookie debut will happen after that cutoff, which means no new RCs. The RC class we have now is the RC class we're gonna get, period.

Series 2 is the one product I would hope they're conservative with. Even if it ends up with no RCs, such is life. It's flagship; it needs to cover the other half of the league that wasn't in Series 1. It'll be a good product for actual baseball card collectors; it just won't have any real RC content for the flippers.

The products that will take a beating:
Heritage High - imagine that set with veterans only
Update - no all-star game base cards, no RCs.

Where I'm really worried: the key content Topps pushes into every product is the RC auto. If there's no RCs out there because no one's debuting mid-season in time to make the product....there's going to be less autos. Less autos - reduced print run. Breakers will buy an even greater percentage of the print run of a product just by maintaining their orders. This could devastate the low-end market.[/QUOTE]

I can see Heritage High have a HOF autograph checklist, guys that played in 1971 could be in it.

[QUOTE=mwash1983;15709675]I can see Heritage High have a HOF autograph checklist, guys that played in 1971 could be in it.[/QUOTE]

They've often done that in the past, but this year all the best HOFer who sign for Topps already have autos in regular Heritage.

Bob Gibson & Rod Carew are probably the only two HOFers active in 1971 who normally sign for Topps who could be put in Heritage High.

According to the release calendar, series 2 is about a month out. There is no way this can be released on June 10 right?

I still want to know what justifies the pre order pricing for Series 2?

Pricing on Tier One has gone up dramatically...that one does not make sense

[QUOTE=Zauron;15876831]I still want to know what justifies the pre order pricing for Series 2?[/QUOTE]

All those recent callups that are tearing up the league!!!

Can they even fill the 350 card checklist?

It doesn’t need to be cancelled, it at least has Luis Robert and some MLB Stars, but it should drop down to the $600 a case range, where it should be.

Series 2 traditionally has had solid hits, because it wasn’t easy to move in the past, so should be a decent product for that price.

[QUOTE=Soxfanguy;15876873]Can they even fill the 350 card checklist?[/QUOTE]

Using the Active Rosters of each team and taking away the 350 Series 1 players leaves 400 players to fill the a Series 2 checklist with. Is it an exciting checklist? Probably not. With Luis Robert and possibly Evan White as the main RC’s and stars like Harper that are always held for S2 there is a little room for excitement at MSRP. Price is the key here imo.

I think cases will go up regardless.

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[QUOTE=Zauron;15876831]I still want to know what justifies the pre order pricing for Series 2?[/QUOTE]

Greed.

[QUOTE=Stech36;15876906]It doesn’t need to be cancelled, it at least has Luis Robert and some MLB Stars, but it should drop down to the $600 a case range, where it should be.

Series 2 traditionally has had solid hits, because it wasn’t easy to move in the past, so should be a decent product for that price.[/QUOTE]
They usually throw in some sort of code cards.

[QUOTE=chezball;15878820]They usually throw in some sort of code cards.[/QUOTE]

They didn’t last year’s and it really hurt the value at release. Plus there’s no longer a master set/case. The rookies obviously made up for it last year

In 2018 Series 2 between the master sets, base sets, and codes, I was making a profit before a single hit was sold.

Walmart had 2020 Series 2 retail display boxes for preorder as of this morning, show sold out now.

I’m surprised to see Series 2 with a June release still. Thought they’d push it back in hopes of getting a season/rookies

[QUOTE=gguffey;15891166]Walmart had 2020 Series 2 retail display boxes for preorder as of this morning, show sold out now.[/QUOTE]
They were available for a few weeks on their site.

Flagship Topps S2 is probably their second biggest release of the year after S1, in terms of number of cards printed, boxes of various kinds made, and so on. Logistically, with all their other products, I'm sure it's planned well in advance to ensure capacities for material, printing, packaging, storage, and shipping. I don't think they can delay a product like that without causing massive problems for their supply chains, revenue streams, and so on. Not without more than a couple month's notice, which is likely all they would have, considering the country was pretty much business as usual until mid-March.

[QUOTE=mcwildcats;15891851]They were available for a few weeks on their site.[/QUOTE]



Thanks, I knew it had been on the site a little while just not that long. I was surprised to see it sold out when I looked today.

[QUOTE=smapdi;15892355]Flagship Topps S2 is probably their second biggest release of the year after S1, in terms of number of cards printed, boxes of various kinds made, and so on. Logistically, with all their other products, I'm sure it's planned well in advance to ensure capacities for material, printing, packaging, storage, and shipping. I don't think they can delay a product like that without causing massive problems for their supply chains, revenue streams, and so on. Not without more than a couple month's notice, which is likely all they would have, considering the country was pretty much business as usual until mid-March.[/QUOTE]

Either last year or 2018, update actually outpaced series 2

[QUOTE=chezball;15878820]They usually throw in some sort of [B]code cards[/B].[/QUOTE]

Dumb question -- what's a code card?

[QUOTE=Archimedes;15893086]Dumb question -- what's a code card?[/QUOTE]

In 17 and 18, they had mlb the show cards, worth points. You could sell these for $5 or so each

Does Topps stop printing Series 1 when they release series 2?

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LOL!!!

[QUOTE=Gradek;15428909]$80+ a box, are they insane?[/QUOTE]

Go look at the price now.:eek:

[QUOTE=Gradek;15428909]$80+ a box, are they insane?[/QUOTE]

Everything about the hobby the last few months has been insane :D

I dont know how Series 2 can possibly top Series 1, unless they repeat some of the rookies in Series 2.

I think Topps would be better off releasing an update and skipping Series 2 this year.

[QUOTE=ayalar09;15938986]I dont know how Series 2 can possibly top Series 1, unless they repeat some of the rookies in Series 2.

I think Topps would be better off releasing an update and skipping Series 2 this year.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that is NOT going to happen.

Why has Hobby taken such a big leap over Jumbo?

[QUOTE=chezball;15937983]Go look at the price now.:eek:[/QUOTE]

GTFO with $140 a box.

Does the fact that hangers and relic boxes are still available for pre-order at Walmart suggest there isn't much interest in Series 2? Pre-orders for Bowman sold out quickly, right?

[QUOTE=BobCollects;15948249]Does the fact that hangers and relic boxes are still available for pre-order at Walmart suggest there isn't much interest in Series 2? Pre-orders for Bowman sold out quickly, right?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Pricing doesn’t make any sense

[QUOTE=BobCollects;15948249]Does the fact that hangers and relic boxes are still available for pre-order at Walmart suggest there isn't much interest in Series 2? Pre-orders for Bowman sold out quickly, right?[/QUOTE]

Bowman presales did not sell out quick. The value packs and blasters hung around for a few weeks before initially selling out and then came back again for about a week. Lots of unknown about Series 2 since no baseball and only a few possible known RCs.

[QUOTE=cj828282;15948308]Bowman presales did not sell out quick. The value packs and blasters hung around for a few weeks before initially selling out and then came back again for about a week. Lots of unknown about Series 2 since no baseball and only a few possible known RCs.[/QUOTE]

I never saw pre-orders pop at Walmart but I did see the listings at Target that were sold out immediately. I'm only just starting to pay attention to baseball releases and it's hard to keep track of everything.

[QUOTE=BobCollects;15948353]I never saw pre-orders pop at Walmart but I did see the listings at Target that were sold out immediately. I'm only just starting to pay attention to baseball releases and it's hard to keep track of everything.[/QUOTE]

Wal-mart had their presales early like in March. I bought some value packs on April 3 after the listing had been posted for a while.

Looking forward to seeing the checklist for this in about three weeks. Unless release has been pushed back from 6/26 again?

How the hell is this priced so high? Is it an extremely low print run?

$140 for a hobby box, $1,600 for a case?

I'd rather pay the bit extra to get 2019 Series 2 than for this 2020 product.

[QUOTE=Zauron;16011221]How the hell is this priced so high?

$140 for a hobby box, $1,600 for a case?
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Breakers....