Rob Manfred in hot water
 

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Video above describes the Mets personnel discussing the plan Manfred wanted to happen tonight. The Mets and Marlins wanted to not play to take a stand. Manfred wanted them to take the field, then walk off at 7:10, then return at 8:10 to play.

Brodie says “he just doesn’t get it”.

Manfred could be in a lot of trouble for this, attempting to use the players and go against the players wants for his own plan

Maybe Manfred will get the boot.

I'm being optimistic.

Keith Olbermann just tweeted this:

Unless this is somehow fabricated or the greatest misinterpretation in the history of the sport, Commissioner of Baseball, Rob Manfred, has to resign.

Tonight.

This is indefensible, cheap, sordid, racist.

The video that caught all of this is unreal which ironically was caught by the MLB cameras and was live streamed. Manfred is a(n) idiot. I know plenty of guys in the bigs from All Stars to bench players and they have said the whole league does not like Manfred and this is before he screwed up things w his response to Covid.

He is the worst commissioner in the 4 major sports and now he has this idea?!? :cry: :doh:

Damn, my prediction was off by a day.


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[QUOTE=bubba300;16367303]Keith Olbermann just tweeted this:

[B]Unless this is somehow fabricated or the greatest misinterpretation in the history of the sport, Commissioner of Baseball, Rob Manfred, has to resign. [/B]

Tonight.

This is indefensible, cheap, sordid, racist.

The video that caught all of this is unreal which ironically was caught by the MLB cameras and was live streamed. Manfred is a(n) idiot. I know plenty of guys in the bigs from All Stars to bench players and they have said the whole league does not like Manfred and this is before he screwed up things w his response to Covid.[/QUOTE]

:: Crosses fingers ..... And toes ::

HOLY SHEET....play the powerball or lotto immediately!!!

[QUOTE=Technochocolate;16367323]Damn, my prediction was off by a day.


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Lol well done. Manfred is a clown and keeps proving it over and over in different ways

[QUOTE=Technochocolate;16367323]Damn, my prediction was off by a day.

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[QUOTE=bubba300;16367303]Keith Olbermann just tweeted this:

Unless this is somehow fabricated or the greatest misinterpretation in the history of the sport, Commissioner of Baseball, Rob Manfred, has to resign.

Tonight.

This is indefensible, cheap, sordid, racist.

The video that caught all of this is unreal which ironically was caught by the MLB cameras and was live streamed. Manfred is a(n) idiot. I know plenty of guys in the bigs from All Stars to bench players and they have said the whole league does not like Manfred and this is before he screwed up things w his response to Covid.[/QUOTE]

Not a fan of Manfred but quoting Keith Olbermann is pretty bad.

Manfred is a fool, and if this is what gets him fired, then great.

2020 anything goes

Hard to imagine a worse commish than Goodell, but there goes Manfred.

[QUOTE=88horsepower;16367446]Hard to imagine a worse commish than Goodell, but there goes Manfred.[/QUOTE]

They're all bad, because they all work for the owners.....people keep on thinking that they're supposed to be "neutral" guardians of the game, but they're not.

Adam Silver (NBA) is probably the least "bad", because NBA owners are actually reasonably enlightened, especially when compared to MLB & NFL owners.

Will a new commissioner bring younger people to baseball which would hopefully trickle down to the hobby?

[QUOTE=speedyjg13;16367477]Will a new commissioner bring younger people to baseball which would hopefully trickle down to the hobby?[/QUOTE]

Not as long as the commissioner works solely for the owners....

[QUOTE=bubba300;16367303]Keith Olbermann just tweeted this:

Unless this is somehow fabricated or the greatest misinterpretation in the history of the sport, Commissioner of Baseball, Rob Manfred, has to resign.

Tonight.

This is indefensible, cheap, sordid, racist.

The video that caught all of this is unreal which ironically was caught by the MLB cameras and was live streamed. Manfred is a(n) idiot. I know plenty of guys in the bigs from All Stars to bench players and they have said the whole league does not like Manfred and this is before he screwed up things w his response to Covid.[/QUOTE]

i may be missing something which is very possible. Did olbermann just say that the commish wanting them to play was racist? Just wanting clarity, not taking the side of manfred

Fake news? The Mets have taken the field in Queens...

Spoke too soon. They choreographed warm-ups and then walked-off. Stay tuned

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Lol. The statement from BVW trying to help Manfred out.

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[QUOTE=bubba300;16367303]Keith Olbermann just tweeted this:

Unless this is somehow fabricated or the greatest misinterpretation in the history of the sport, Commissioner of Baseball, Rob Manfred, has to resign.

Tonight.

[B]This is indefensible, cheap, sordid, racist.[/B]

The video that caught all of this is unreal which ironically was caught by the MLB cameras and was live streamed. Manfred is a(n) idiot. I know plenty of guys in the bigs from All Stars to bench players and they have said the whole league does not like Manfred and this is before he screwed up things w his response to Covid.[/QUOTE]

how the heck is that racist?

[QUOTE=jstephens24;16367603]how the heck is that racist?[/QUOTE]

Its the new standard, if don't agree, for any reason, your a racist.

[QUOTE=PejaD;16367522]Fake news? The Mets have taken the field in Queens...

Spoke too soon. They choreographed warm-ups and then walked-off. Stay tuned[/QUOTE]

Game is cancelled

So uh.. extra day of rest for deGrom?

[QUOTE=jstephens24;16367603]how the heck is that racist?[/QUOTE]

It’s Olbermann and also the only acceptable way of thinking in 2020

[QUOTE=boston12;16367666]It’s Olbermann and also the only acceptable way of thinking in 2020[/QUOTE]

NSFW.. Well, kind of?

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Are the facts about what actually happened in the shooting considered when these decisions are made?

[QUOTE=jstephens24;16367603]how the heck is that racist?[/QUOTE]

When I saw that tweet I thought it was an extremely strong statement. I get that people and players do not like Manfred but I was shocked it was said by Olbermann. I am a mixed minority and my views on Manfreds statement doesnt sit well with me because the players made a unilateral decision to sit out to make a statement that enough is enough.

If the players are not wanting to play to draw attention for the cause of social injustice Mandfred might want to listen to the players...

David Price let it rip earlier as well towards some fellow MLB players..

JR Smith of the Lakers prob said it best imo....oh you dont hear us...well now you cant see us!!!

It was a silly idea but racist? I dunno.

The whole league should take a day off (even though they can't really afford to) and then come back. That would be a stronger statement than some teams doing it one day and them some another. It is a mess.

I know there are pitchers that are pissed their routines are messed up. Players that want to, you know.. play. But who's going to speak up?

[QUOTE=speedyjg13;16367477]Will a new commissioner bring younger people to baseball which would hopefully trickle down to the hobby?[/QUOTE]


Most of the hobby doesn’t want younger people because the don’t want kids in their business.

[QUOTE=JWBlue;16367794]It was a silly idea but racist? I dunno.

The whole league should take a day off (even though they can't really afford to) and then come back. That would be a stronger statement than some teams doing it one day and them some another. It is a mess.[/QUOTE]

Not all 30 teams were on the schedule today, so I *think* they should try and wait for tomorrow to do that. It's more powerful with all 30 teams than just 22 of the teams.

Also, several doubleheaders on the schedule today. It looks like all the teams with doubleheaders are playing while the single games are being cancelled. Practicality might be a factor here.

[QUOTE=Technochocolate;16367323]Damn, my prediction was off by a day.


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ROFL, I read that and actually had a feeling you would be right. I'm still trying to figure out what's going on but based on the comments, it's not good.

Sorry people. Brodie backtracked and said the comments were not Manfred, but Wilpons.

He made the whole thing up for the camera. METS!

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;16367959]Sorry people. Brodie backtracked and said the comments were not Manfred, but Wilpons.

He made the whole thing up for the camera. METS![/QUOTE]No doubt Jeff W. Being the fall guy for Manfred and MLB to save face...Wilpons have one foot out the door with team being sold, so why not make him take the blame since his guy Brody opened this can of worms...

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[QUOTE=ottobord;16367712]Are the facts about what actually happened in the shooting considered when these decisions are made?[/QUOTE]
Stop.

[QUOTE=sdsportscards;16367991]Stop.[/QUOTE]

Seconded.

[QUOTE=ottobord;16367712]Are the facts about what actually happened in the shooting considered when these decisions are made?[/QUOTE]

This is a conversation about the Mets/Manfred/this whole situation.

If you’re going to talk about that situation, please go to off topic/the politics thread.

I’d prefer if this thread was just about Manfred and this whole situation and it doesn’t turn into a screaming match between 2 sides and it gets locked

I was thinking MLB might ask the players to coordinate a more League wide response tomorrow, 8-28, which has become Jackie Robinson day with the uniform # tribute for this year. But the team-by-team decisions probably came together too organically for that.

So who believes this was all just a big oopsie? :coffee:

Fake News. But that's where we are in this woke-let's all- jump-to-conclusions-first-without-evidence society

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;16368099]This is a conversation about the Mets/Manfred/this whole situation.

If you’re going to talk about that situation, please go to off topic/the politics thread.

I’d prefer if this thread was just about Manfred and this whole situation and it doesn’t turn into a screaming match between 2 sides and it gets locked[/QUOTE]

It was a rhetorical question, carry on.

[QUOTE=majestik101;16368139]Fake News. But that's where we are in this woke-let's all- jump-to-conclusions-first-without-evidence society[/QUOTE]

That’s the danger with the fake news media these days. Facts don’t matter as long as it fits your agenda. Apparently some folks had their agenda fit with this one.

The standard MLB player contract allows teams to terminate the contract if the player shall "fail, refuse, or neglect to render his services". I wonder if this opens up the door for teams to terminate bad contracts for players who refused to play. If it was across the league they could say they didn't really have a choice but with some games happening and none of the Mets or Marlins players making any attempt to stay on the field, it seems like refusal to play and a breach of contract.

I doubt it will happen because it will be a PR nightmare, but it's another thing that could complicate the next CBA. One of the main benefits of employers agreeing to a union contract is that the employees aren't supposed to refuse to work while under contract and a good portion of the league is refusing to play.

[QUOTE=majestik101;16368139]Fake News. But that's where we are in this woke-let's all- jump-to-conclusions-first-without-evidence society[/QUOTE]

The video definitely seemed like evidence to me. Especially when Brodie said that he was talking about "Rob."

[QUOTE=majestik101;16368139]Fake News. But that's where we are in this woke-let's all- jump-to-conclusions-first-without-evidence society[/QUOTE]

What’s fake news? That this was Manfred’s idea? The video is pretty crucial and is a big piece of evidence. Of course an owner is going to defend the commissioner

[QUOTE=13goyankees13;16368183]The standard MLB player contract allows teams to terminate the contract if the player shall "fail, refuse, or neglect to render his services". I wonder if this opens up the door for teams to terminate bad contracts for players who refused to play. If it was across the league they could say they didn't really have a choice but with some games happening and none of the Mets or Marlins players making any attempt to stay on the field, it seems like refusal to play and a breach of contract.

I doubt it will happen because it will be a PR nightmare, but it's another thing that could complicate the next CBA. One of the main benefits of employers agreeing to a union contract is that the employees aren't supposed to refuse to work while under contract and a good portion of the league is refusing to play.[/QUOTE]


If anything, this probably the one thing both sides actually agree on. The overall response from everyone within the game from players, management, and media towards these protests have been positive. I’m sure some are biting their tongue, but 99% of all public comments I’ve seen the last two days support the players’ decision.

[QUOTE=bubba300;16367720]When I saw that tweet I thought it was an extremely strong statement. I get that people and players do not like Manfred but I was shocked it was said by Olbermann. I am a mixed minority and my views on Manfreds statement doesnt sit well with me because the players made a unilateral decision to sit out to make a statement that enough is enough.

If the players are not wanting to play to draw attention for the cause of social injustice Mandfred might want to listen to the players...

David Price let it rip earlier as well towards some fellow MLB players..

JR Smith of the Lakers prob said it best imo....oh you dont hear us...well now you cant see us!!![/QUOTE]


“Oh you don’t hear us, well now you can’t see us”

I’ll care about what JR smith says when HE can SEE the scoreboard.

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He’s a clown!


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[QUOTE=sbfinley;16368214]If anything, this probably the one thing both sides actually agree on. The overall response from everyone within the game from players, management, and media towards these protests have been positive. I’m sure some are biting their tongue, but 99% of all public comments I’ve seen the last two days support the players’ decision.[/QUOTE]

This is a lot better than violence, looting, harassment and arson.

[QUOTE=Prox3;16368274]This is a lot better than violence, looting, harassment and arson.[/QUOTE]


Don’t forget murder. 30 dead in the last 3ish months due to peaceful protests.

[QUOTE=sbfinley;16368214]If anything, this probably the one thing both sides actually agree on. The overall response from everyone within the game from players, management, and media towards these protests have been positive. I’m sure some are biting their tongue, but 99% of all public comments I’ve seen the last two days support the players’ decision.[/QUOTE]

Either Wilpon or Manfred, or possibly both, sees it differently. If it's Manfred and he is still in charge when the CBA is up, that's a big deal.

I'm guessing a lot of people in baseball who support or are okay with the players not playing would have preferred the players to come to the MLB and try to work out a plan to postpone games together rather than telling the MLB they wouldn't play. About 200-250 black people are shot and killed by police each year, plus more who are shot and not killed or killed by something other than a gun so if making statements by refusing to play without working with the MLB is the new normal, this is probably going to happen at least a few times per season going forward. Bringing it up now publicly isn't the right time or place but I'm sure there are quite a few people high up in teams or the MLB who like the statement but aren't happy with the way it was made.

[QUOTE=Wiseguy917;16368257]“Oh you don’t hear us, well now you can’t see us”

I’ll care about what JR smith says when HE can SEE the scoreboard.

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He’s a clown!


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You’re prob right about the scoreboard standpoint but in regard to real life idgaf if he can see the scoreboard or not...social injustice and police brutality is a hot topic for obv reasons and I’m glad JR Smith and other players are using their platform to try to create change. My son is 14 years old and I have had to talk to him about what he needs to do if he is confronted by police in any situation. I/we have dealt with racism for 38 years since I was about 8 years old...I’m hopeful things will change and I hope that players and teams continue to use their platform to try to make difference. If that means that leagues or games get cancelled and all cards end up worthless until there is real change then I’m all for it. Walking a day in my shoes has not been very fun at times...

[QUOTE=bubba300;16368391]You’re prob right about the scoreboard standpoint but in regard to real life idgaf if he can see the scoreboard or not...social injustice and police brutality is a hot topic for obv reasons and I’m glad JR Smith and other players are using their platform to try to create change. My son is 14 years old and I have had to talk to him about what he needs to do if he is confronted by police in any situation. I/we have dealt with racism for 38 years since I was about 8 years old...I’m hopeful things will change and I hope that players and teams continue to use their platform to try to make difference. Walking a day in my shoes has not been very fun at times...[/QUOTE]


Racism is a problem all over the world, I completely agree, but I feel like if a lot of people held themselves to the same standard they hold cops to, we wouldn’t even need police.....

[QUOTE=Wiseguy917;16368397]Racism is a problem all over the world, I completely agree, but I feel like if a lot of people held themselves to the same standard they hold cops to, we wouldn’t even need police.....[/QUOTE]

Agreed 100 percent. You’re absolutely right!

[QUOTE=13goyankees13;16368291]Either Wilpon or Manfred, or possibly both, sees it differently. If it's Manfred and he is still in charge when the CBA is up, that's a big deal.

I'm guessing a lot of people in baseball who support or are okay with the players not playing would have preferred the players to come to the MLB and try to work out a plan to postpone games together rather than telling the MLB they wouldn't play. About 200-250 black people are shot and killed by police each year, plus more who are shot and not killed or killed by something other than a gun so if making statements by refusing to play without working with the MLB is the new normal, this is probably going to happen at least a few times per season going forward. Bringing it up now publicly isn't the right time or place but I'm sure there are quite a few people high up in teams or the MLB who like the statement but aren't happy with the way it was made.[/QUOTE]

It's pretty clear at this point it was Wilpon's idea to walk off and then come back later. At the least it's incrediblity tone deaf as is clear in Van Wagenen's comments when he assumed the idea came from Manfred. I agree and I'm sure some along the food chain are unhappy with the way the protests have played out. I wouldn't expect universal agreement on anything. The vast majority of sentiment within and around the game, however, is behind the players - which is good going forward as the first step any protest wants is acknowledgement of grievance. Baseball can't change social problems (the ultimate end behind most protests) but they can support players and acknowledge the grievance which it is doing.

Manfred might be a terrible commissioner, but even hes smart enough not step in that bad. But is anyone honestly this surprised it has Wilpon all over it? They dont care who they piss off since they have one foot out the door with no real power left.

Thrown under bus.

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[QUOTE=Technochocolate;16367837]Not all 30 teams were on the schedule today, so I *think* they should try and wait for tomorrow to do that. It's more powerful with all 30 teams than just 22 of the teams.

Also, several doubleheaders on the schedule today. It looks like all the teams with doubleheaders are playing while the single games are being cancelled. Practicality might be a factor here.[/QUOTE]

I think the teams playing doubleheaders today took yesterday off because of this issue...

[QUOTE=mainerunr;16368593]I think the teams playing doubleheaders today took yesterday off because of this issue...[/QUOTE]

Pirates played one game yesterday and a doubleheader today.

Hasn't everyone learned that all cameras/microphones are rolling at all times...

Please leave politics out of sports. I've said my piece

[QUOTE=SaveMeTheGum;16368640]Hasn't everyone learned that all cameras/microphones are rolling at all times...[/QUOTE]

It's amazing people haven't realized this in 100+ years

Man..The media is tearing apart our sports as we know it also. Believe everything you want to people, even if it’s wrong.

Can somebody help me understand what the problem is here? The players didn’t want to play, and someone made the suggestion they should play an hour later instead of their regular start time? And now the person who made that suggestion is a racist? Is that what happened?

[QUOTE=Stringmusic;16369201]Can somebody help me understand what the problem is here? The players didn’t want to play, and someone made the suggestion they should play an hour later instead of their regular start time? And now the person who made that suggestion is a racist? Is that what happened?[/QUOTE]

People are injecting there own political views in the whole racism aspect of this. The facts of what is being reported is the Mets GM was informed of an idea that instead of canceling the game against the Marlins the teams leave the field wait an hour and come back out. He mistakenly thought the idea came from Manfred so was caught on camera saying "He doesn't get it" He later found out the idea came from Wilpon and issued a retraction and an apology to Manfred. That is what happened the rest is speculation, conspiracy theories, political agendas, etc.

[QUOTE=kdog4187;16369490]People are injecting there own political views in the whole racism aspect of this. The facts of what is being reported is the Mets GM was informed of an idea that instead of canceling the game against the Marlins the teams leave the field wait an hour and come back out. He mistakenly thought the idea came from Manfred so was caught on camera saying "He doesn't get it" He later found out the idea came from Wilpon and issued a retraction and an apology to Manfred. That is what happened the rest is speculation, conspiracy theories, political agendas, etc.[/QUOTE]

No.

In addition, the Wilpons made a statement that Brody (intentionally spelling his name wrong, LOL) is a big fat liar.

[QUOTE=kdog4187;16369490]People are injecting there own political views in the whole racism aspect of this. The facts of what is being reported is the Mets GM was informed of an idea that instead of canceling the game against the Marlins the teams leave the field wait an hour and come back out. He mistakenly thought the idea came from Manfred so was caught on camera saying "He doesn't get it" He later found out the idea came from Wilpon and issued a retraction and an apology to Manfred. That is what happened the rest is speculation, conspiracy theories, political agendas, etc.[/QUOTE]

Is the idea bad or something? It seems people were very upset with Manfred when they thought the idea came from him, I’m trying to understand what would upset people even if the idea did come from him.

[QUOTE=Stringmusic;16369541]Is the idea bad or something? It seems people were very upset with Manfred when they thought the idea came from him, I’m trying to understand what would upset people even if the idea did come from him.[/QUOTE]

The players wanted to cancel the game. Manfred (or whoever you think it was) told them to play but delay for a hour. Going against the players wishes and trying to force them into something they don’t want to do is wrong to do. When you’re trying to make a point about societal issues, you shouldn’t go against the wishes of the people actually making said stand.

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;16369507]No.

In addition, the Wilpons made a statement that Brody (intentionally spelling his name wrong, LOL) is a big fat liar.[/QUOTE]

Such a Mets thing to do by misspelling the name of their own GM

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;16369551]The players wanted to cancel the game. Manfred (or whoever you think it was) told them to play but delay for a hour. Going against the players wishes and trying to force them into something they don’t want to do is wrong to do. When you’re trying to make a point about societal issues, you shouldn’t go against the wishes of the people actually making said stand.[/QUOTE]

So if the players don’t want to play, for any reason, it’s wrong to go against their wishes? That doesn’t seem like a good way to run a business.

[QUOTE=Stringmusic;16369201]Can somebody help me understand what the problem is here? The players didn’t want to play, and someone made the suggestion they should play an hour later instead of their regular start time? And now the person who made that suggestion is a racist? Is that what happened?[/QUOTE]

The problem is you’re racist if you go against the mob mentality and you’re double dog racist if you speak your mind against the mob mentality. On top of that, you’re triple super mega racist if you have money AND an opinion that goes against mob mentality. You’re super mega ultra barnyard king size bed Fallopian tube racist if you’re all of the above AND have a specific percentage of Melanin in your body. Also, if you disagree with me, you’re racist.

I'd respect the players a lot more if they played and donated their pay to charity.

[QUOTE=Wiseguy917;16369639]The problem is you’re racist if you go against the mob mentality and you’re double dog racist if you speak your mind against the mob mentality. On top of that, you’re triple super mega racist if you have money AND an opinion that goes against mob mentality. You’re super mega ultra barnyard king size bed Fallopian tube racist if you’re all of the above AND have a specific percentage of Melanin in your body. Also, if you disagree with me, you’re racist.[/QUOTE]
You’re 100% accurate.
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