Philip Rivers announces his retirement
 

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Really solid career.

5277/8134 Att/Com - 63,440 yds - 421 TDs - 209 Ints

8-time Pro Bowler and started 240 consecutive games (15 straight seasons).

Too bad he could never get that ring.

Speculation on the next Colts QB?

More time to add to the family now.

They still have Eason who they drafted this past season.

DeShaun Wastson to the Colts. Make it happen!

He agreed to become the head coach of a Catholic high school in my county last year, so it seemed kind of a given that this would be his last hurrah. Very impressive career in my opinion. Maybe a HOFer in 7-10 years.

Absolute competitor. Would loved to have seen him at least get to a SB.

Hopefully he goes into coaching, seems like he would go into coaching HS football so he can coach his 200 sons.


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damn time flies, I remember when he came into the league.

Really should have gotten a ring with a few of those early Chargers teams. It's crazy how many HOF caliber players are in that 2000-2005 range in the NFL.

[QUOTE=brothertona;16892836]They still have Eason who they drafted this past season.[/QUOTE]

I think Eason could be a good QB. I think they will sign a cheap vet who is out there perhaps like a Trubisky and let those two compete for the job. If both stink it up in 2021 and Wentz struggles again in 2021 I can see Wentz be in Indy in 2022. But zero chance Indy trades for Watson.

I still think Watson trade is under 10% that it will happen at all.

It's crazy to imagine what we'd think about Rivers if he had 1 SB ring.

2021 has yet to play out but he'd have as many rings as Rodgers & Brees.

I like the way you think Packman, that's what I assume as well.

que the ramp up of speculation for Wentz to the Colts. I personally don't think Rivers is a HOFer. He will get in, his overall stats will get him there. Big Ben looked like he might retire as well as Brees. That is a pretty good QB class in four years. If either of those two retire, he does bump Rivers down the line for HOF, IMO.

HOFer in my book.

Ben should retire, I also wonder if Brady might retire if he wins the Bowl this year.

[QUOTE=brothertona;16893115]Ben should retire, I also wonder if Brady might retire if he wins the Bowl this year.[/QUOTE]

If both retire, it will really be the changing of the guard for QBs in the league. This would be the prominent names of QBs before the 2012 draft class.

2005 Rodgers (I can Smith retiring as well, maybe?)
2006 none
2007 none
2008 Matt Ryan (Flacco around as a backup)
2009 Stafford
2010 none
2011 Cam Newton and Dalton - both look like backups now.
Old man Fitzpatrick as well.

The league is full of young QBs now. I think the way offenses are ran with RPOs and more running QBs, it will be a position of higher turnover going forward.

[QUOTE=brothertona;16893115]Ben should retire, I also wonder if Brady might retire if he wins the Bowl this year.[/QUOTE]

If Buffalo makes the Super Bowl you an bet your last dollar Tom Brady will make the Super Bowl and break my heart. That guy can suck a big, fat, bag of jolly ranchers as far as I am concerned. If anyone needs to retire its that guy.

[QUOTE=ajlaxmn;16892931]Absolute competitor. Would loved to have seen him at least get to a SB.

Hopefully he goes into coaching, seems like he would go into coaching HS football so he can coach his 200 sons.


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He already has a HS Coaching job set up, I believe he signed a contract to coach a HS team when he retired, either last year or the year before so the job is already his.

Brissett is a FA as well so its going to be interesting to see what they do. I would love to see Watson in a Colts uniform but I highly doubt they would trade him inside the division. I wouldn't mind them making a strong effort to get Dak but Dallas will probably franchise tag him again. After that it gets a bit sketchy. Eason Im not sure about and they are in a win now mode so that may not be the best option. Bring back Brissett maybe, Winston is a FA but not sure whats going to happen in NO. Definitely not a fan of trading for Wentz but he may be better if reunited with Reich.

[QUOTE=Scottish Punk;16893157]If both retire, it will really be the changing of the guard for QBs in the league. This would be the prominent names of QBs before the 2012 draft class.

2005 Rodgers (I can Smith retiring as well, maybe?)
2006 none
2007 none
2008 Matt Ryan (Flacco around as a backup)
2009 Stafford
2010 none
2011 Cam Newton and Dalton - both look like backups now.
Old man Fitzpatrick as well.

The league is full of young QBs now. I think the way offenses are ran with RPOs and more running QBs, it will be a position of higher turnover going forward.[/QUOTE]

Chad Henne from 2008 just came up pretty big.

Congrats to Philip on a great career.

I was not a fan, but it was a solid, if unspectacular career.

Brees should be next, followed by Ben. It’s time.

Solid career. Cant get past the "5 and 7" as far as hof goes.


I think many other QBs would have won at least one ring with the cast he had.


Hall of pretty good.

Hall of Fame in my book.

[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;16893375]I was not a fan, but it was a solid, if unspectacular career.

Brees should be next, followed by Ben. It’s time.[/QUOTE]

Strange how the team went from going undefeated 2/3 into the season to people wanting him to retire. He had a pretty good season I thought. Minus the last game of their season. I didn't watch many of their games so the stats might not reflect his play accurately. From what I saw they needed a running game.

[QUOTE=packman80;16892984]I think Eason could be a good QB. I think they will sign a cheap vet who is out there perhaps like a Trubisky and let those two compete for the job. If both stink it up in 2021 and Wentz struggles again in 2021 I can see Wentz be in Indy in 2022. But zero chance Indy trades for Watson.

I still think Watson trade is under 10% that it will happen at all.[/QUOTE]

99% Watson is gone. It will be the BEST move the Texans have made in years. Whoever trades for Watson will regret that deal for a decade.

As for Colts QB, I honestly could see Trubisky going. They have a good oline, good rbs, young wrs and TY. Good defense. A mobile qb like mitch could really blend it all. I dont see 4500/35tds, but I could see 12-4 3800 passing, 650 rushing from Mitch in Indy.

[QUOTE=Soxrule111;16893409]99% Watson is gone. It will be the BEST move the Texans have made in years. Whoever trades for Watson will regret that deal for a decade.

As for Colts QB, I honestly could see Trubisky going. They have a good oline, good rbs, young wrs and TY. Good defense. A mobile qb like mitch could really blend it all. I dont see 4500/35tds, but I could see 12-4 3800 passing, 650 rushing from Mitch in Indy.[/QUOTE]

Watson is one of the best qbs in the nfl and the numbers back that up he is probably the best qb no he is the best qb available in the deal this offseason

[QUOTE=jdandns;16893374]Chad Henne from 2008 just came up pretty big.

Congrats to Philip on a great career.[/QUOTE]

Chad henne did nothing he is trash and a trash qb for his whole career

[QUOTE=brothertona;16893115]Ben should retire,[B] I also wonder if Brady might retire if he wins the Bowl this year.[/B][/QUOTE]

Nope, already committed to coming back.

Philly earned my respect when he nearly won the 2007 AFCCG on one leg while Tomlinson pouted on the bench.

[QUOTE=BGT Masters;16893407]Strange how the team went from going undefeated 2/3 into the season to people wanting him to retire. He had a pretty good season I thought. Minus the last game of their season. I didn't watch many of their games so the stats might not reflect his play accurately. From what I saw they needed a running game.[/QUOTE]

I think Ben can still play. 100%. It’s not that. I think his desire has waned, and for his sake he should hang it up. He’s got nothing to prove. I’m a fan.

[QUOTE=BostonNut;16893456]Nope, already committed to coming back.

Philly earned my respect when he nearly won the 2007 AFCCG on one leg while Tomlinson pouted on the bench.[/QUOTE]

Truth. It’s the one moment I respect him for. It’s also why I don’t respect Tomlinson. That, and his post game temper tantrum after that 14-2 team lost to the Pats.

[QUOTE=Soxrule111;16893409]99% Watson is gone. It will be the BEST move the Texans have made in years. Whoever trades for Watson will regret that deal for a decade.

As for Colts QB, I honestly could see Trubisky going. They have a good oline, good rbs, young wrs and TY. Good defense. A mobile qb like mitch could really blend it all. I dont see 4500/35tds, but I could see 12-4 3800 passing, 650 rushing from Mitch in Indy.[/QUOTE]

Wait a second, you're saying that getting rid of Watson will be the best move the Texans have made in years???? Getting rid of a top 5-10 in the prime of his career???? WOW, now thats a hot take!

[QUOTE=BostonNut;16893456][b]Nope, already committed to coming back.[/b]

Philly earned my respect when he nearly won the 2007 AFCCG on one leg while Tomlinson pouted on the bench.[/QUOTE]

Yuck. To think I actually cheered for him early on in his career. I rooted for him to win his first super bowl. Just retire already Tom and take Gronk, Belichick and Edelman with you.

Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.

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[QUOTE=Dallas Cowboys;16893749]Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.[/QUOTE]

You’re wrong

But it was a nice post

The QBs of 20 years ago who were accumulators were Kerry Collins and Vinny Testaverde. I think Rivers is more than a stats accumulator and better than most of his generation than Collins/Testaverde were of theirs. He's in the HOF but with Brees retiring this year, Rivers gets to bide his time behind ol Drew yet again.

[QUOTE=Dallas Cowboys;16893749]Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. [B]Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?[/B]
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.[/QUOTE]

He's going to go in eventually in my opinion. I never got excited to watch him play, but that's not a requirement for the HOF.

To think the top three QBs taken in the NFL draft in 2004 are all going to be HOFers and Buffalo has two first round picks and ends up with Lee Evans and Just Pathetic Loss Man.

[QUOTE=Dallas Cowboys;16893749]Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.[/QUOTE]

The more I thought about it, the more I have to go with a "No" on the HOF for Rivers. Saying he's #(X) in passing yards, or completions, or TD's is not relevant to me; like you said, he put up a bunch of those numbers in an era that was very friendly to a QB (though to be fair, the crazy pass-happy NFL didn't really start until 2014). Here's the real reason it's a no-go for me:

0 - Super Bowl appearances
1 - AFC Championship appearance
0 - All Pro nominations (1st or 2nd Team)
0 - MVP's (4 total votes combined - (2) in '08 and (2) in '09)
8 - Pro Bowls, but these have been devalued this past decade

I'm just not seeing it.

[QUOTE=Scottish Punk;16893157]If both retire, it will really be the changing of the guard for QBs in the league. This would be the prominent names of QBs before the 2012 draft class.

2005 Rodgers (I can Smith retiring as well, maybe?)
2006 none
2007 none
2008 Matt Ryan (Flacco around as a backup)
2009 Stafford
2010 none
2011 Cam Newton and Dalton - both look like backups now.
Old man Fitzpatrick as well.

The league is full of young QBs now. I think the way offenses are ran with RPOs and more running QBs, it will be a position of higher turnover going forward.[/QUOTE]

2012 currently has Tannehill and Wilson. Foles is a backup and RG3 just got waived.

[QUOTE=2010GBPackers;16893897]The more I thought about it, the more I have to go with a "No" on the HOF for Rivers. Saying he's #(X) in passing yards, or completions, or TD's is not relevant to me; like you said, he put up a bunch of those numbers in an era that was very friendly to a QB (though to be fair, the crazy pass-happy NFL didn't really start until 2014). Here's the real reason it's a no-go for me:

0 - Super Bowl appearances
1 - AFC Championship appearance
0 - All Pro nominations (1st or 2nd Team)
0 - MVP's (4 total votes combined - (2) in '08 and (2) in '09)
8 - Pro Bowls, but these have been devalued this past decade

I'm just not seeing it.[/QUOTE]

I don't see it either but it's not because of the numbers. It's that when you watched him play you didn't see a HOF'er. You didn't see someone who could take over a game and toy with his opponents. But it doesn't matter. He's going in. Depending on the class it could even be first ballot. It's inevitable.

[QUOTE=gorillaz;16893924]2012 currently has Tannehill and Wilson. Foles is a backup and RG3 just got waived.[/QUOTE]

and Kirk Cousins.
Yes, you go a bit further 2013 has nobody, 2014 is down to Bridgewater and Carr and 2015 is Mariotta and Winston.

I stopped at 2012 since it was a pretty good QB draft, would have been really good if not for Luck's injuries.

How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?

[QUOTE=mike1498;16893960]How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?[/QUOTE]

Not sure but my man Leroy Butler is a HOF finalist for the second year this year and he has:

2 - SB appearances
1 - SB ring
3 - NFC Championship appearances
4 - All-Pro 1st Teams (not sure how many 2nd Teams)
4 - Pro Bowls

and...is on the NFL's All-Decade Team of the 1990's

[QUOTE=Dallas Cowboys;16893749]Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.[/QUOTE]

Buzz Lightyear always made me yawn. Hall of BORING.

[QUOTE=mike1498;16893960]How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?[/QUOTE]

I can't imagine Troy Aikman ever getting an All Pro he was actually pretty blah his entire career. Minus winning all them super bowls.

[QUOTE=mike1498;16893960]How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?[/QUOTE]

QB-wise:

Aikman
Elway
Moon
Staubach

[QUOTE=no10pin;16894097]QB-wise:

Aikman
Elway
Moon
Staubach[/QUOTE]

Moon was 1st team in 1990
Elway was 1st team in 1987
Staubach was 2nd team in 1971

What are you talking about?

[QUOTE=asujbl;16894104]Moon was 1st team in 1990
Elway was 1st team in 1987
Staubach was 2nd team in 1971

What are you talking about?[/QUOTE]

I was using PFR, they don't show those guys as having a 1st-team All-Pro. I wasn't looking for 2nd team.

I went to individual stats where they have designations for 1st team, but it doesn't appear to match the all-pro lists. Not sure why, my bad.

[QUOTE=no10pin;16894110]I was using PFR, they don't show those guys as having a 1st-team All-Pro. I wasn't looking for 2nd team.[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't you be looking for 2nd team?

His question was because Rivers has never been on any

[QUOTE=asujbl;16894121]Why wouldn't you be looking for 2nd team?

His question was because Rivers has never been on any[/QUOTE]

LOL, what I looked at was wrong. My bad. Again.

I imagine it will be Eason. Protect him and he will be good

I think, politically, he will go in.

There's no chance I would ever vote for him. I just don't see a HOF QB. I see a guy who was above average at times, but never great.

We make excuses about Wilson, Marino, etc. not having an O-Line or a Defense.

How in the WORLD do we explain away the Gates/Tomlinson/Merriman/Rivers Chargers teams never winning a ring? I mean, come on. Those teams were LOADED. Yes, all caps LOADED.

He was average.

Eh I'm iffy on Matt Ryan and he's my QB, I don't think Rivers should get in. I do think though he had a strong legacy, he's just not a HOF QB, but we also have to accept that in a lot of cases the HOF is a Hall of Good, and Philip Rivers was a good QB. He was never truly great.

[QUOTE=BGT Masters;16893748]Yuck. To think I actually cheered for him early on in his career. I rooted for him to win his first super bowl. Just retire already Tom and take Gronk, Belichick and Edelman with you.[/QUOTE]

I'll never understand why we are always so anxious to see the greats leave.

Wouldn't you want to see Jordan or Magic just one last time?

Gretzky or Orr?

Griffey or Maddux?

Appreciate what we have...because tomorrow it will be gone.

[QUOTE=elee712;16894169]I imagine it will be Eason. Protect him and he will be good[/QUOTE]

Eason has a lot to prove, but he's an option. I still see the Colts going after a veteran like Stafford to stop-gap. I'm not opposed to seeing Wentz get re-united with Reich. I don't see any chance Watson gets traded inside the division, but that would be a dream to have him in Colts blue.

Bless his heart.
PS, I always thought Rivers was there with Seau, but Seau left in '03.

Eason sucks

Every team “loves” their backup until they actually have to play him... especially 3rd through 5th round young guys

Just bump that New England dude thread (I can’t even remember his name) before Cam

That dude had like $200 Prizms. Solid move.

Colts will be falling over themselves to try and get in on the Watson, Wentz, Darnold, Trubisky, Draft Pick bandwagon... depending on how crazy they want to go

Rivers is HOF worthy.

Sucks he never got to the SuperBowl

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[QUOTE=asujbl;16894816]Eason sucks

Every team “loves” their backup until they actually have to play him... especially 3rd through 5th round young guys

Just bump that New England dude thread (I can’t even remember his name) before Cam

That dude had like $200 Prizms. Solid move.

Colts will be falling over themselves to try and get in on the Watson, Wentz, Darnold, Trubisky, Draft Pick bandwagon... depending on how crazy they want to go[/QUOTE]

Garrett Studhams

Okay so based on what has been mentioned, everyone who got in (QB wise) won at least one SB or one All pro.

It’s an easy no for me. He was never apart of anything great and he never individually stood out. What’s there to like? A consistent career? I agree he was good but I can’t get over not winning one all pro. Like it means you were never regarded as the best. Even if it was a second all pro maybe you can make an argument.

[QUOTE=JeremyNick;16894889]Garrett Studhams[/QUOTE]

Close enough for me.

Maybe Cody Kessler is still around.

Mike Kafka? There is a dude on these boards, can’t remember who, had thousands invested in that fool

For us old members

[QUOTE=asujbl;16894945]

Mike Kafka? There is a dude on these boards, can’t remember who, had thousands invested in that fool

For us old members[/QUOTE]

That's like, Kafka-esque, man.

[QUOTE=hairysasquatch;16895047]That's like, Kafka-esque, man.[/QUOTE]

I know you’re the king of backups but I couldn’t remember if you were the Kafka guy

[QUOTE=JohnnyHatesJazz;16892966]damn time flies, I remember when he came into the league.[/QUOTE]

same here!

one of my all-time favorites.

dude was awesome. one of the toughest QBs i ever saw play.

nobody will ever forget him playing with a torn ACL, that's the stuff of legend right there.

Cry me a Rivers...thats what I called him.
C-ya crybaby

The greatest loser of all time.

[QUOTE=BostonNut;16894422]I'll never understand why we are always so anxious to see the greats leave.

Wouldn't you want to see Jordan or Magic just one last time?

Gretzky or Orr?

Griffey or Maddux?

Appreciate what we have...because tomorrow it will be gone.[/QUOTE]

No one likes to see Willie Mays falling down in the outfield. No one likes to see Bernard Hopkins literally knocked out of the ring. No one likes to see Edgerrin James averaging 2.7 ypc.

Fierce competitor.

Congrats on an amazing career Rivers!

Future HOF QB.

Not a HOF player. A stat compiler.

Anyone that followed his career closely knows of the frequent interceptions at the end of games. Just could not get the one chip that would have made him a HOF player in everyone's eyes.

Will he get in? Probably. If Harold Baines got in the baseball HOF then I guess PR can get in.

Namath and Griese were really really ordinary at best but were on teams that won a Super Bowl and are in the HOF.
Rivers 134-106 W-L, 63,440 yrd, 421 TD, 209 INT
Namath 62-63-4 W-L, 27,663 yrd, 173 TD, 220 INT
Griese 92-56 W-L, 25,092 yrd, 192 TD, 172 INT

[QUOTE=oplum29;16895171]same here!

one of my all-time favorites.

dude was awesome. one of the toughest QBs i ever saw play.

nobody will ever forget him playing with a torn ACL, that's the stuff of legend right there.[/QUOTE]



I forgot. Most people did. "Legend" and rivers just dont belong in the same sentence.


Edit... I really can't say "most people forgot" because I dont know that for sure. I can only say I saw it happened and completely forgot about it.

[QUOTE=cowboyzqna;16896271]I forgot. Most people did. "Legend" and rivers just dont belong in the same sentence.


Edit... I really can't say "most people forgot" because I dont know that for sure. I can only say I saw it happened and completely forgot about it.[/QUOTE]

any hardcore football can never forget a moment like that.

like someone posted on Twitter today "Rivers played with a torn ACL, Garoppolo missed 10 weeks with a high ankle sprain"

[QUOTE=oplum29;16896375]any hardcore football can never forget a moment like that.

like someone posted on Twitter today "Rivers played with a torn ACL, Garoppolo missed 10 weeks with a high ankle sprain"[/QUOTE]

Agreed. The man was a true game dog who refused to go out on anything but his shield. I loved watching him give everything he had on that field dating back to his ACC days against my Noles.

Comparing Rivers to HOF QB's who played in a different era makes no sense. Everybody knows Rivers was an above-average QB over a long period of time - that's his case for the HOF. But that's it. Like, literally, that's it. Statistics against QB's who played 20+ years ago don't matter. You need to compare them to statistics from other QB's who played during the same time period.

This is how skewed QB statistics are in today's game:

John Kitna has more passing TD's than Bart Starr.
Jay Cutler and Ryan Fitzpatrick have more passing yards than Steve Young.
Matthew Stafford has more passing TD's than Joe Montana.
Kerry Collins has more passing yards than Joe Montana.
Ryan Tannehill has more passing TD's than Rodger Staubach.

I could go on. The absurdity is never ending.

Statistics mean nothing in today's NFL when put up against numbers from 30+ years ago. A current HOF candidate should be measured by their performance vs. others during your playing years + their credentials.

[QUOTE=2010GBPackers;16896718] A current HOF candidate should be measured by their performance vs. others during your playing years + their credentials.[/QUOTE]

Rivers stacked up well statistically against the people from his class. Better across the board than most guys who played through this era from 2004-now-ish. Better numbers than Big Ben, Eli, Carson Palmer, Alex Smith, Matt Cassell, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo.

It's just unfortunate for him that he played at the same time as sure-fire first ballot guys like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees. It's for this reason that there were no All Pros to go around. Those 4 guys won it 13 of his 17 years in the league.

But alas, he's a QB without a ring and without (m)any accolades. He'll get in eventually, just like Frank Gore will and I think they're on par with one another relative to their position: longevity to compile stats.

I don’t view Rivers as a HOFer.

Didn’t win a ring and in the shadow of better QBs the majority of his career.