Where are the T206 Honus Wagners
 

Does anyone know where they actually are?

I know where one is - a T206 Wagner owner reached out asking if my 1899 M101-1 Sporting News Honus Wagner rookie was for sale. Though mine is way older and rarer, I'd be more than happy to trade him! :D

In a box in your granddads attic. Go check!

It is rather interesting that in the hottest sports card market in history no one is selling their Wagners.

Wasn't Ken Goldin just flying on a private jet, the other day, to sell one?

Hauls of Shame in 2018 did an article detailing where nearly all 64 known wagners were located.

[QUOTE=letsgocapitals;17044850]Wasn't Ken Goldin just flying on a private jet, the other day, to sell one?[/QUOTE]

Just came here to post this

Check Ken Goldins IG

He flew a PSA 2 presumably to his auction house

Does Jason Mars still have his or was it sold?

[QUOTE=GatorPie;17044839]It is rather interesting that in the hottest sports card market in history no one is selling their Wagners.[/QUOTE]

There is one in the current Heritage Auction. 3 others have sold in the last 6 months. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more sell soon.

I know where these two have been...
 

A local friend of mine owned both of these. They were sold and have passed through a few collections and auction houses since. I have a better pic somewhere but had this handy. You can trace them by their specific flaws.

Vinny :)!


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What would the jumbo Wagner get if sold again today? $10 million? Would be amazing to see

Do you guys think the Wagner would do that well these days - relatively - given that so much of the activity in market is driven by new entrants who are generally more focused on basketball and the hot names of today? The guy who bought the PSA 9 Mantle said he had never even heard of the Wagner facepalm

[QUOTE=RiceBondsMT2Yng;17045210]Do you guys think the Wagner would do that well these days ? [/QUOTE]

Yes, I think the PSA 8 or the PSA 5 (the "Jumbo" one) would each set new records for price paid for a sports card.

Would've been better as T206 Sapphire.

[QUOTE=SmokeyJ;17045269]Would've been better as T206 Sapphire.[/QUOTE]

Right? Non-auto, non-chrome. Not even serial numbered. I don't get all the fuss. At least put some googly eye emojis in the borders next time tobacco companies!

Being used in bicycle spokes

[QUOTE=roush16racing;17045351]Being used in bicycle spokes[/QUOTE]

Did kids even have bicycles back then? I would think some were used as toilet paper or kindling to keep the fire in the house going.

Hopefully one in my collection at some point

[QUOTE=RiceBondsMT2Yng;17045210]Do you guys think the Wagner would do that well these days - relatively - given that so much of the activity in market is driven by new entrants who are generally more focused on basketball and the hot names of today? The guy who bought the PSA 9 Mantle said he had never even heard of the Wagner facepalm[/QUOTE]

Yes, the Wagner would do incredibly well. It is the top dog of all things cardboard. New cards are being hyped, so we hear all the time about records being broken, but the same is happening with vintage key stuff as well. I've been tracking versions of my cards and the market is going super crazy on them as well.

This altered is currently at 915k w/buyer's premium. I am curious to see how well it ends up! [url]https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1909-t206-sweet-caporal-honus-wagner-the-garagiola-wagner-sgc-authentic/a/50038-80001.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515[/url] A PSA 1 back in Nov. did nearly 1.4 million.

[QUOTE=mouschi;17046149]Yes, the Wagner would do incredibly well. It is the top dog of all things cardboard. [/QUOTE]

At what point does the M101-x Ruth card challenge that status?

NICE!

[QUOTE=GOATcards;17046196]At what point does the M101-x Ruth card challenge that status?[/QUOTE]

when you can describe it to common folks without the "M101-x " before it

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;17046205]when you can describe it to common folks without the "M101-x " before it[/QUOTE]

I speak in the company of experts. In common parlance it is "the Babe Ruth rookie card." (The '14 Baltimore card being pre-rookie and almost uncollectable given the almost nonexistent supply.)

[QUOTE=GOATcards;17046229]I speak in the company of experts. In common parlance it is "the Babe Ruth rookie card." (The '14 Baltimore card being pre-rookie and almost uncollectable given the almost nonexistent supply.)[/QUOTE]

The Wagner needs no explanation.


Person: i found an old baseball card thats expensive

other person: The Honus Wagner? (or the '52 Topps Mantle)

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;17046255]The Wagner needs no explanation.


Person: i found an old baseball card thats expensive

other person: The Honus Wagner? (or the '52 Topps Mantle)[/QUOTE]

Person: Derek Jeter

:D

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;17046255]The Wagner needs no explanation.


Person: i found an old baseball card thats expensive

other person: The Honus Wagner? (or the '52 Topps Mantle)[/QUOTE]

which is why I ask at what point this changes ;)

[QUOTE=GOATcards;17046298]which is why I ask at what point this changes ;)[/QUOTE]

probably after the bubble bursts

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;17046205]when you can describe it to common folks without the "M101-x " before it[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GOATcards;17046196]At what point does the M101-x Ruth card challenge that status?[/QUOTE]

Basically, this.

The Wagner has SO much going for it. The best player of his time, the incredible story, the ground breaking set that it is in (one of the big three sets). If you ask a casual collector to name as many sets after the T206 and before '33 Goudey, they'll stall out after squeaking out Cracker Jack.

If the Ruth was in the Cracker Jack set, I think this conversation would be entirely different.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I think a lot of Ruth stuff is drastically undervalued, such as his '33 Goudey cards, World Wide Gum (shameless plug), Sanella, and W514 ('nother shameless plug).

The 33 Goudey value will continue to rise (A PSA 3.5 full body just sold over over $20k last night!) but would be much higher if there were only 1 Ruth in the set instead of 4.

In the item description whether original or reprint he says 'unknown'...
only $27K
[CODE][/CODE][url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/HONUS-WAGNER-T206-SOVEREIGN-TOBACCO-CARD/254860005811?hash=item3b56d711b3:g:iWEAAOSw2qBgIY8~[/url][CODE][/CODE]

[QUOTE=GOATcards;17046196]At what point does the M101-x Ruth card challenge that status?[/QUOTE]

To add to my previous response, I think it may have a shot as more and more people come into the hobby and bypass the new stuff to go the older pieces. It's going to be an interesting next couple of years, I think! :)

[QUOTE=coltsnsox07;17046316]In the item description whether original or reprint he says 'unknown'...
only $27K
[CODE][/CODE][url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/HONUS-WAGNER-T206-SOVEREIGN-TOBACCO-CARD/254860005811?hash=item3b56d711b3:g:iWEAAOSw2qBgIY8~[/url][CODE][/CODE][/QUOTE]

:p:p:p

When it comes to a T206 Wagner for me, it is a Ty Cobb back or 'nuthin :p

[QUOTE=mouschi;17046314]Basically, this.

The Wagner has SO much going for it. The best player of his time, the incredible story, the ground breaking set that it is in (one of the big three sets). If you ask a casual collector to name as many sets after the T206 and before '33 Goudey, they'll stall out after squeaking out Cracker Jack.

If the Ruth was in the Cracker Jack set, I think this conversation would be entirely different.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I think a lot of Ruth stuff is drastically undervalued, such as his '33 Goudey cards, World Wide Gum (shameless plug), Sanella, and W514 ('nother shameless plug).

The 33 Goudey value will continue to rise (A PSA 3.5 full body just sold over over $20k last night!) but would be much higher if there were only 1 Ruth in the set instead of 4.[/QUOTE]

the '32 Caramel . . . .

[QUOTE=mouschi;17046325]To add to my previous response, I think it may have a shot as more and more people come into the hobby and bypass the new stuff to go the older pieces. It's going to be an interesting next couple of years, I think! :)[/QUOTE]

an SGC 3.5 has a current bid of $330k in the Heritage auction ending this weekend. I don't know of any other card beside the Wagner commanding such prices in such grade.

OTOH, the total market value of the 86F Jordan far surpasses anything else at this point.