AJ Johnson (eBay: ajohnson39, MySlabs) Knowingly Selling Trimmed PSA 4.5 Leaf Jackie
 

I identified this card as trimmed when it was for sale by ajohnson39 on eBay and MySlabs in August of 2019. See here: [url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1407680[/url]

The card was removed for sale from eBay and MySlabs at that time and this individual was provided the evidence that the card is trimmed.

This same individual has now relisted the card on both eBay and MySlabs as shown below for $55,000-$70,000. Buyer beware of this fraud.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/233914680440[/url] (copy/paste into browser for link to work)
[url]https://myslabs.com/slab/view/158634/[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0YzmuzV.png[/IMG]

Original post:

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;16377994]Just the weekly thread for an altered 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson. This one was sold raw by bakersfield.cards on January 31, 2016 for $1,000. The next sale I can find is as a trimmed PSA 4.5 sold by PWCC for $4,000 on September 28, 2017. I do not believe the card exchanged hands between these dates. The card most recently publicly sold for $17,500 in July. As seen below, the left edge has been significantly hacked by the PWCC trimming machine. Buyer beware.

[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1554404[/url]

Current listings:
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/233664044026[/url]
[url]https://myslabs.com/slab/view/55044/[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/mhs90XK.png?1[/IMG]

(Ignore the yellow noise in the gif- not sure why that's there.)

[IMG]https://imgur.com/MHgEFfS.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

PSA Cert #: 27581063

I forwarded the thread to the Myslabs admin.

[QUOTE=superdan49;17065832]I forwarded the thread to the Myslabs admin.[/QUOTE]

I see it no longer exists on My Slabs. Thanks Matthew for pulling it!

Thank you both...

Great job once again, 312....

Your awesome detective work probably kept some unknowing collector from getting reamed. :)!

Cleaning up the hobby, one slugrake at a time...

Buy it, engrave "trimmed" on the case. return it. Wish it was that easy....

Seller has been banned from Net 54, after he did not post any explanation.

Seller
 

Assuming the seller sent the card back to PSA requesting a refund - and PSA said it was fine and unaltered - what is the seller supposed to do? List it saying that based on before and after pictures it is altered but PSA says it is fine?

To me this is on PSA - buy back the card and get it out of circulation.

[QUOTE=aro13;17069753]Assuming the seller sent the card back to PSA requesting a refund - and PSA said it was fine and unaltered - what is the seller supposed to do? List it saying that based on before and after pictures it is altered but PSA says it is fine?

To me this is on PSA - buy back the card and get it out of circulation.[/QUOTE]

In a word, disclose. It's at least a material fact.

[QUOTE=pspa123;17069671]Seller has been banned from Net 54, after he did not post any explanation.[/QUOTE]

Guess he put a price tag on his integrity. Higher than most in this hobby, I have to say. GL with the sale. Hope it was worth it.

Sure there just has to be another place he can post, even if into a void, and call his new home.

This can't fall off the front page.

AJ is back, he has offered an explanation.
[url]https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=297903[/url]

[QUOTE=pspa123;17071038]AJ is back, he has offered an explanation.
[url]https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=297903[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. Will be interesting to see how the "new" PSA handles these objectively altered cards.

So is this potentially opening the door for people to identify/locate altered cards, buy them off the record at a discount, field offers for them as if they're unaltered, and then file claims against PSA for the unaltered value? If so, I bet PSA isn't liking the sound of that.

[QUOTE=mjwoop;17071143]So is this potentially opening the door for people to identify/locate altered cards, buy them off the record at a discount, field offers for them as if they're unaltered, and then file claims against PSA for the unaltered value? If so, I bet PSA isn't liking the sound of that.[/QUOTE]Nope. The OP in the Net54 thread is sitting on a losing proposition and will probably end up with his submission privileges to PSA permanently suspended.

[QUOTE=pip;17095034]Nope. The OP in the Net54 thread is sitting on a losing proposition and will probably end up with his submission privileges to PSA permanently suspended.[/QUOTE]

I don't think he cares. I don't think he trimmed the card or knew it was trimmed. He was the unfortunate bastard that was left holding the hot potato when it was "outed" by BODA. He bought it from a guy who bought it from PWCC, who surely orchestrated the "improvements" to the card.

[QUOTE=Keyser Soze;17095509]I don't think he cares. I don't think he trimmed the card or knew it was trimmed. He was the unfortunate bastard that was left holding the hot potato when it was "outed" by BODA. He bought it from a guy who bought it from PWCC, who surely orchestrated the "improvements" to the card.[/QUOTE]

The person he purchased it from offered him a refund for it 6 months ago when the original thread was posted.

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;17095562]The person he purchased it from offered him a refund for it 6 months ago when the original thread was posted.[/QUOTE]And he seems to think that the longer he sits on it and publicizes it, the more he will get out of the deal. He's wrong. He'd have to file and win a civil suit to get back more than his original purchase price. His actions are just pissing off PSA and probably alienating potential customers who want the card but don't realize it is trimmed. He's doing all the wrong things. This will not end well for him.

Man fascinating thread to read here + net 54 really interested to see what the result is!

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;17095562]The person he purchased it from offered him a refund for it 6 months ago when the original thread was posted.[/QUOTE]

According to AJ, "Besides why would I return it, so the seller could resale to some other unsuspecting collector?" Guess he was taking one for the team.

I know the person who sold the card to AJ. I could be wrong but I do not believe that he would have tried to push the card onto someone after learning the card was suspected of having been altered.

PSA, best in breed......

[QUOTE=pip;17095657]And he seems to think that the longer he sits on it and publicizes it, the more he will get out of the deal. He's wrong. He'd have to file and win a civil suit to get back more than his original purchase price. His actions are just pissing off PSA and probably alienating potential customers who want the card but don't realize it is trimmed. He's doing all the wrong things. This will not end well for him.[/QUOTE]

Maybe with new ownership the outcome will be different but this is not a game that PSA usually loses. 6 months is typically not material in our hobby but it is now and the 6 months between when he could have simply washed his hands of it and now are night and day.

His posts on 54, which PSA has read, have not helped his cause at all.

PSA brings it upon themselves with their incompetence at detecting alteration.

Frankly I'm surprised that there aren't many more of these disputes made public. PSA keeps all of this under the radar so their ineptitude is invisible to a vast majority of collectors.

That said, I do not agree with how the owner of the altered card is "playing the system". Seems like a greedy and unethical move.... Ironically, I suppose that he and PSA deserve each other.

Buying, albeit without knowledge, a trimmed card should not be a path to tripling your money especially where the seller agreed promptly to take it back. Something offensive about it IMO.

[QUOTE=pspa123;17096646]Buying, albeit without knowledge, a trimmed card should not be a path to tripling your money especially where the seller agreed promptly to take it back. Something offensive about it IMO.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I'm a big fan of the work BODA does to meticulously research and publicize trimmed and altered cards. I'm 100% against trimming and don't own any "A" cards in my collection.

To answer some of the remarks on this thread.....there was no conscious effort to hold the card this long after first learning about the trimming. I called ebay to try and return the card after learning about the alteration and was told it was past the return window and they wouldn't authorize a return.

I then reached out to PSA with the link to evidence to alert them and didn't received a response.

Then life happened and it was on back burner. (I kinda forgot about it to be honest)

After the craziness with values over the last 90 days, I decided to circle back to trying to resolve with PSA.

So no, I didn't refuse an offer to return the card. And no I didn't purposely wait until prices skyrocketed (prices could have easily went the other way too).

I'm now waiting to hear back from PSA on if they'll give me their fair market assessment before I send the card in. I think it's only fair we're on the same page regarding value in case they do have to re-holder it or buy it back.

BODA keep up the good work

A. [QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17098735]

To answer some of the remarks on this thread.....there was no conscious effort to hold the card this long after first learning about the trimming. I called ebay to try and return the card after learning about the alteration and was told it was past the return window and they wouldn't authorize a return.[/QUOTE]

B.[QUOTE]I then reached out to PSA with the link to evidence to alert them and didn't received a response.

[/QUOTE]
So before, between or after A & B, the seller never offered you a refund of any kind?

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17098735]First of all, I'm a big fan of the work BODA does to meticulously research and publicize trimmed and altered cards. I'm 100% against trimming and don't own any "A" cards in my collection.

To answer some of the remarks on this thread.....there was no conscious effort to hold the card this long after first learning about the trimming. I called ebay to try and return the card after learning about the alteration and was told it was past the return window and they wouldn't authorize a return.

I then reached out to PSA with the link to evidence to alert them and didn't received a response.

Then life happened and it was on back burner. (I kinda forgot about it to be honest)

After the craziness with values over the last 90 days, I decided to circle back to trying to resolve with PSA.

So no, I didn't refuse an offer to return the card. And no I didn't purposely wait until prices skyrocketed (prices could have easily went the other way too).

I'm now waiting to hear back from PSA on if they'll give me their fair market assessment before I send the card in. I think it's only fair we're on the same page regarding value in case they do have to re-holder it or buy it back.

BODA keep up the good work[/QUOTE]Can you also explain why you listed the card for sale on ebay if you had no intention of selling it?

[QUOTE=pip;17098905]Can you also explain why you listed the card for sale on ebay if you had no intention of selling it?[/QUOTE]

On the other forum, he claimed he had no intention to follow through with the sale. He was just gathering offers to document the current value of the card for PSA.

I guess that only a lie detector test would reveal whether that's really true.

I think AJ should give BODA the information to the previous seller to verify his story that he bought it already trimmed.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17098735]First of all, I'm a big fan of the work BODA does to meticulously research and publicize trimmed and altered cards. I'm 100% against trimming and don't own any "A" cards in my collection.

To answer some of the remarks on this thread.....there was no conscious effort to hold the card this long after first learning about the trimming. I called ebay to try and return the card after learning about the alteration and was told it was past the return window and they wouldn't authorize a return.

I then reached out to PSA with the link to evidence to alert them and didn't received a response.

Then life happened and it was on back burner. (I kinda forgot about it to be honest)

After the craziness with values over the last 90 days, I decided to circle back to trying to resolve with PSA.

So no, I didn't refuse an offer to return the card. And no I didn't purposely wait until prices skyrocketed (prices could have easily went the other way too).

I'm now waiting to hear back from PSA on if they'll give me their fair market assessment before I send the card in. I think it's only fair we're on the same page regarding value in case they do have to re-holder it or buy it back.

BODA keep up the good work[/QUOTE]

Welcome to BO, stick around and please keep us (me) updated really curious to see how this plays out!

[QUOTE=pip;17098776]A.

B.
So before, between or after A & B, the seller never offered you a refund of any kind?[/QUOTE]

He may have (I went back to look at ebay msgs but they don't go back that far). But when I spoke to ebay it was past the refund window and they wouldn't allow it. Besides I'm not sure returning it would have been the responsible thing to do. I don't know the seller and I wouldn't want this card sold again.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099038]He may have (I went back to look at ebay msgs but they don't go back that far). But when I spoke to ebay it was past the refund window and they wouldn't allow it. Besides I'm not sure returning it would have been the responsible thing to do. I don't know the seller and I wouldn't want this card sold again.[/QUOTE]So first it was "no" and now it is "[h]e may have?"

What would have prevented you from returning the card outside of ebay? Couldn't you have done it through paypal?

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099038]He may have (I went back to look at ebay msgs but they don't go back that far). But when I spoke to ebay it was past the refund window and they wouldn't allow it. Besides I'm not sure returning it would have been the responsible thing to do. I don't know the seller and I wouldn't want this card sold again.[/QUOTE]

You had recourse with paypal well beyond the 30 days. The purchase date was 7/24/20 and you were made aware of the alteration on 8/30/20. The 30 days protection on eBay runs from the date of receipt of the card. If you were really outside of the 30 day window it was not by much and I am shocked eBay would not make an exception given the value of the card and the overwhelming evidence as to the alteration.

You did have the card for sale on Aug 30 at 30K so it is clear you did not buy this to keep it but bought it for profit. Had you taken the seller's offer for a refund had he relisted it there was certainly options that could be taken to make sure it did not end up with an unsuspecting collector.

I know the seller and was in contact with on Aug 30. You may not know him at all but he is not the type of person who if shown a card he has was altered would list it.

[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;17099310]You had recourse with paypal well beyond the 30 days. The purchase date was 7/24/20 and you were made aware of the alteration on 8/30/20. The 30 days protection on eBay runs from the date of receipt of the card. If you were really outside of the 30 day window it was not by much and I am shocked eBay would not make an exception given the value of the card and the overwhelming evidence as to the alteration.

You did have the card for sale on Aug 30 at 30K so it is clear you did not buy this to keep it but bought it for profit. Had you taken the seller's offer for a refund had he relisted it there was certainly options that could be taken to make sure it did not end up with an unsuspecting collector.

I know the seller and was in contact with on Aug 30. You may not know him at all but he is not the type of person who if shown a card he has was altered would list it.[/QUOTE]

Sorry you are having problems with the explanation. I think I've been pretty clear. I did have the card up for sale before I knew it was trimmed (don't think that's a crime last I checked and whether I bought it to keep long term or for profit is none of your business frankly). And btw paypal won't just give you a refund on an ebay purchase. They redirect you to deal with ebay.

It's great that YOU know the seller and he's not the type...but YOU didn't buy the card so don't how that's relevant. I'm not making any accusations to the ebay seller. I'm sure he didn't know it was trimmed when he sold it.

BTW my full name is in my ID. What's yours?

[QUOTE=pip;17099178]So first it was "no" and now it is "[h]e may have?"

What would have prevented you from returning the card outside of ebay? Couldn't you have done it through paypal?[/QUOTE]

No I wasn't going to return the card outside of ebay. Like I said, I didn't want the card resold again.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099375]No I wasn't going to return the card outside of ebay. Like I said, I didn't want the card resold again.[/QUOTE]I think it is strange that you state that you had no real intention to resell the card once you learned it was trimmed and yet you willingly assign that initquitous motive to someone else.

Just an FYI: I have spent lots of money on ebay over the years and have found that paypal provides excellent seller protections -- well past 30 days as was stated above.

[QUOTE=pip;17099777]I think it is strange that you state that you had no real intention to resell the card once you learned it was trimmed and yet you willingly assign that initquitous motive to someone else.

Just an FYI: I have spent lots of money on ebay over the years and have found that paypal provides excellent seller protections -- well past 30 days as was stated above.[/QUOTE]

initquitous? You'll have to help me with the definition of that one.

And what's your full name?

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099375]No I wasn't going to return the card outside of ebay. Like I said, I didn't want the card resold again.[/QUOTE]

If you had returned the card through ebay, it would have gone back to the same seller, no? So how would you have prevented him from reselling it? Ebay wasn't going to confiscate it. So why even inquire about an ebay return, as you say you did?

[QUOTE=pspa123;17099889]If you had returned the card through ebay, it would have gone back to the same seller, no? So how would you have prevented him from reselling it? Ebay wasn't going to confiscate it.[/QUOTE]

There was no return option from ebay because the return window had closed. What's your point?

and what's your full name?

Lots of brave keyboard warriors making accusations hiding behind usernames.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099904]There was no return option from ebay because the return window had closed. What's your point?

and what's your full name?

Lots of brave keyboard warriors making accusations hiding behind usernames.[/QUOTE]

Don't be so defensive I am just trying to understand your position and priorities.

My point, though, is that if your paramount concern was taking the card off the market, I don't know why you even looked into an ebay return in the first place.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099829]initquitous? You'll have to help me with the definition of that one.

And what's your full name?[/QUOTE]-t. Typo. Philip Pirrup.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099904]There was no return option from ebay because the return window had closed. What's your point?

and what's your full name?

Lots of brave keyboard warriors making accusations hiding behind usernames.[/QUOTE]

what you gonna hunt him down and kick his ass in front of his mom?

[QUOTE=big4mi2ke0;17099918]what you gonna hunt him down and kick his ass in front of his mom?[/QUOTE]

haha I'm a lover not a fighter...but think that if you're gonna hurl accusations you should have your name in the post

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099928]haha I'm a lover not a fighter...but think that if you're gonna hurl accusations you should have your name in the post[/QUOTE]

So BODA should post their names?

[QUOTE=pspa123;17099915]Don't be so defensive I am just trying to understand your position and priorities.

My point, though, is that if your paramount concern was taking the card off the market, I don't know why you even looked into an ebay return in the first place.[/QUOTE]

I'm on offense. No defense from me. My ethics are beyond reproach. Interesting your response didn't include your name...

[QUOTE=pspa123;17099938]So BODA should post their names?[/QUOTE]

BODA isn't making accusations....

Why are you afraid to say your name?

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099951]BODA isn't making accusations....

Why are you afraid to say your name?[/QUOTE]

BODA has not accused multiple people of doctoring cards? Those aren't accusations?

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099944]I'm on offense. No defense from me. My ethics are beyond reproach. Interesting your response didn't include your name...[/QUOTE]

Why do you think so many people take issue with what you are doing? It's a question, not an accusation.

[QUOTE=pspa123;17099959]BODA has not accused multiple people of doctoring cards? Those aren't accusations?[/QUOTE]

I think you know I was referring to this thread. The fact that you won't reveal your name says it all. bye bye buttercup

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17099980]I think you know I was referring to this thread. The fact that you won't reveal your name says it all. bye bye buttercup[/QUOTE]

Man, you really don't seem to get it or to be able to think beyond yourself. So only people who accuse YOU of anything need to reveal their names, but it's fine to accuse anyone else anonymously. OK bro.

[QUOTE=pspa123;17099988]Man, you really don't seem to get it or to be able to think beyond yourself. So only people who accuse YOU of anything need to reveal their names, but it's fine to accuse anyone else anonymously. OK bro.[/QUOTE]

The only one accusing anyone of anything anonymously on this thread is you. and oh Greg Schwartz (aka CaptSpaulding)

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100009]The only one accusing anyone of anything anonymously on this thread is you. and oh Greg Schwartz (aka CaptSpaulding)[/QUOTE]

Show me one accusation I made? I just asked questions to try to understand your position and test its consistency.

[QUOTE=pspa123;17100020]Show me one accusation I made? I just asked questions to try to understand your position and test its consistency.[/QUOTE]

ok guy scurry off. Won't engage with a guy afraid to give his name

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100009]The only one accusing anyone of anything anonymously on this thread is you. and oh Greg Schwartz (aka CaptSpaulding)[/QUOTE]

LOL. You came here to post. I think everyone on this board knows who I am and who pspa123 is. I have never tried to be anonymous here but if I were it is in very poor form to out someone's identity.

Anyway, this is all about you. I have not accused you of anything so that must be your conscience speaking to you. Your story is not making sense and I am not the only one who is confused. SO just trying to get an understanding. I am sure PSA will want the same if you expect a check for 45K.

Never said there was anything wrong with selling a card in Aug that you bought in July. But you posted this on 3/4 on 54: [QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;2076719]I would much rather have a true psa 4.5 Jackie RC in the long term.[/QUOTE]. If what you want is a true PSA 4.5 48L Jackie then why were you selling it a month after you bought it?

Parenthetically, I find it really annoying when people who aren't being accused of anything but merely questioned start playing the role of being under attack. It's an old Davalillo (won't use his real name) trick.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100009]The only one accusing anyone of anything anonymously on this thread is you. and oh Greg Schwartz (aka CaptSpaulding)[/QUOTE]

Ahh the old anonymous comment scammers love to throw around.

Most do it so they can threaten people:

So let’s ask why does being anonymous matter here? Is it because you really want to contact them?

[QUOTE=pspa123;17100192]Parenthetically, I find it really annoying when people who aren't being accused of anything but merely questioned start playing the role of being under attack. It's an old Davalillo (won't use his real name) trick.[/QUOTE]

In fairness I think we were asking some pointed questions and I can see how AJ might feel we were attacking or accusing him but as I stated, his posts on 54 were not consistent and they were inconsistent with his actions. He got very defensive here, at least, because in contrast the pots on 54 were mostly posts of support and encouragement.

[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;17100257]In fairness I think we were asking some pointed questions and I can see how AJ might feel we were attacking or accusing him but as I stated, his posts on 54 were not consistent and they were inconsistent with his actions. He got very defensive here, at least, because in contrast the pots on 54 were mostly posts of support and encouragement.[/QUOTE]

If I am confident in my position and can answer the hard questions, I don't view someone asking them as an attack.

[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;17100149]LOL. You came here to post. I think everyone on this board knows who I am and who pspa123 is. I have never tried to be anonymous here but if I were it is in very poor form to out someone's identity.

Anyway, this is all about you. I have not accused you of anything so that must be your conscience speaking to you. Your story is not making sense and I am not the only one who is confused. SO just trying to get an understanding. I am sure PSA will want the same if you expect a check for 45K.

Never said there was anything wrong with selling a card in Aug that you bought in July. But you posted this on 3/4 on 54: . If what you want is a true PSA 4.5 48L Jackie then why were you selling it a month after you bought it?[/QUOTE]

Greg Schwartz - Aren’t you banned on net54 and have multiple accusations floating around about selling altered cards? Maybe that’s why you’re so interested.

[QUOTE=tonedef2oo8;17100210]Ahh the old anonymous comment scammers love to throw around.

Most do it so they can threaten people:

So let’s ask why does being anonymous matter here? Is it because you really want to contact them?[/QUOTE]

Another brave keyboard warrior. At least you have 4800 more posts than Greg

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100337]Another brave keyboard warrior. At least you have 4800 more posts than Greg[/QUOTE]

If your purpose in posting here was to try to win hearts and minds, your 14 posts so far have not succeeded (IMO). Instead of the ad hominem attacks, and evasions, you would do better to answer questions (IMO).

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100028]ok guy scurry off. Won't engage with a guy afraid to give his name[/QUOTE]He's literally posting in your net54 thread too lol not hard to figure out

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[QUOTE=hxcmilkshake;17100442]He's literally posting in your net54 thread too lol not hard to figure out

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]

Greg wouldn't know. He's banned

okay this thread devolved since I last checked it, still really curious to see what happens with PSA.

AJ, these guys are asking fair questions since your stuff does seem inconsistent. Personally I am giving the benefit of the doubt, but I certainly see their side as well.

You asking for names and then writing them off is not a great sign in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Uwfootball1;17100547]okay this thread devolved since I last checked it, still really curious to see what happens with PSA.

AJ, these guys are asking fair questions since your stuff does seem inconsistent. Personally I am giving the benefit of the doubt, but I certainly see their side as well.

You asking for names and then writing them off is not a great sign in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

B.J. I would think you also would want level playing field and if accused of something to know the names of the sewing circle involved. Kudos to you for not hiding behind a username and posting your real name in the footer.

Don't know how much more clear I can make it. I purchased a trimmed card on ebay. Once I found out it was too late to return it. I reached out to PSA to notify them. Nothing was done. I posted the card for sale again last week to get a market price for my negotiations with psa with no intentions of selling it. I'm now working with psa to get it resolved. Everything else is just noise.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100565]B.J. I would think you also would want level playing field and if accused of something to know the names of the sewing circle involved. Kudos to you for not hiding behind a username and posting your real name in the footer.

Don't know how much more clear I can make it. I purchased a trimmed card on ebay. Once I found out it was too late to return it. I reached out to PSA to notify them. Nothing was done. I posted the card for sale again last week to get a market price for my negotiations with psa with no intentions of selling it. I'm now working with psa to get it resolved. Everything else is just noise.[/QUOTE]

Again, you're leaving out the part where the seller would have taken it back and made you whole.

[QUOTE=pspa123;17100597]Again, you're leaving out the part where the seller would have taken it back.[/QUOTE]

How's he going to take it back if it's outside Ebay's return window? Besides I don't know that guy from adam. Was I really going to return it to someone that could resell it again? Greg says he wouldn't but that doesn't go very far coming from someone with his reputation.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100606]How's he going to take it back if it's outside Ebay's return window? Besides I don't know that guy from adam. Was I really going to return it to someone that could resell it again? Greg says he wouldn't but that doesn't go very far coming from someone with his reputation.[/QUOTE]

Again, he could have sold it again had you done an ebay return, but that didn't stop you from first seeking an ebay return. You're not consistent.

Quoting your first post.
" I called ebay to try and return the card after learning about the alteration and was told it was past the return window and they wouldn't authorize a return."

[QUOTE=pspa123;17100597]Again, you're leaving out the part where the seller would have taken it back and made you whole.[/QUOTE]

He's also missing the fact that I am not in fact B.J. Ryan but a player supper collector of his, however my real name is listed on these forums if you want to find it.

[QUOTE=Uwfootball1;17100617]He's also missing the fact that I am not in fact B.J. Ryan but a player supper collector of his, however my real name is listed on these forums if you want to find it.[/QUOTE]

He also apparently thinks Pip gave his real name.

[QUOTE=pspa123;17100610]Again, he could have sold it again had you done an ebay return, but that didn't stop you from first seeking an ebay return. You're not consistent.

Quoting your first post.
" I called ebay to try and return the card after learning about the alteration and was told it was past the return window and they wouldn't authorize a return."[/QUOTE]

So what's your point? My first instinct was to try and return the card. Once I found that wasn't possible, I realized it was better that I try and resolve instead of passing it back to someone else who was also potentially a victim.

All the clutching of your pearls is so classic. How many trimmed cards do you have unknowingly in your collection? I bet at least a few. Everyone in this thread I bet has at least 1.

[QUOTE=ajjohnsonsoxfan;17100565]B.J. I would think you also would want level playing field and if accused of something to know the names of the sewing circle involved. Kudos to you for not hiding behind a username and posting your real name in the footer.

Don't know how much more clear I can make it. I purchased a trimmed card on ebay. Once I found out it was too late to return it. I reached out to PSA to notify them. Nothing was done. I posted the card for sale again last week to get a market price for my negotiations with psa with no intentions of selling it. I'm now working with psa to get it resolved. Everything else is just noise.[/QUOTE]

Okay, but then why did you relist it on ebay so quickly at the time, just curious. Everything you said fits but when that question has been asked youve been defensive about it.

Like i said, I believe you are doing what you stated but thats the only thing that doesnt add up to me.

[QUOTE=Uwfootball1;17100631]Okay, but then why did you relist it on ebay so quickly at the time, just curious. Everything you said fits but when that question has been asked youve been defensive about it.

Like i said, I believe you are doing what you stated but thats the only thing that doesnt add up to me.[/QUOTE]

I had the card for sale before I found out it was trimmed (who cares how fast I listed it after purchase). Maybe I needed the money to fund another purchase. who cares. Why is that relevant? I buy and sell stuff regularly. I have a large collection. I'm glad I did list it, because that's how BODA saw it and how I discovered it was altered.

[QUOTE=Uwfootball1;17100617]He's also missing the fact that I am not in fact B.J. Ryan but a player supper collector of his, however my real name is listed on these forums if you want to find it.[/QUOTE]

lol. guess I don't know who B.J. Ryan is. oh well I'll call you B.J.