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Let's make this the official Yankees thread for '22 and beyond. Extatic to say adios to Sanchez and heartbroken to see Ursula leave. What's the deal for first base and catcher?

Seems like Rizzo is staying. And Voit is still currently a Yankee, right? As far as catcher, you guys have a few decent options in the minors.

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;18062092]Seems like Rizzo is staying. And Voit is still currently a Yankee, right? As far as catcher, you guys have a few decent options in the minors.[/QUOTE]

As far as I know Rizzo still hasn't been signed. Voit is not the answer IMO. And yeah I guess hot potato at catcher.

Right now I see us as 3rd best behind Rays and Jays. Frankly we might also be behind the Sox. If Severino isn't back and pitching at a high level, I have no idea how we're expecting to win.

[QUOTE=pete2345;18062109]As far as I know Rizzo still hasn't been signed. Voit is not the answer IMO. And yeah I guess hot potato at catcher.[/QUOTE]

Anyone behind the plate is an upgrade over Sanchez and his .200 BA

I really hope they go Rizzo. I don't believe Freeman is actually a realistic target with the $ hes gonna command, and now Olson is also gone.

Making sure 1B is a Lefty would be big, especially now that we added two starters in Donaldson (another RH bat) and Kiner-Falefa(also a RH bat I believe). As much as I enjoyed when Voit was going great with the homers, I don't trust him to stay healthy and another RH bat is not what the Yanks need

If Brett Gardner is a Yankee this year I might vomit

[QUOTE=theshowandme;18063555]If Brett Gardner is a Yankee this year I might vomit[/QUOTE]

I have my bucket ready

[QUOTE=theshowandme;18063555]If Brett Gardner is a Yankee this year I might vomit[/QUOTE]

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I think it's going to be long year.... I am not impressed so far....

If the Yanks still end up getting Correa/Story, this trade will look 100 times better. Let's not forget that Donaldson had a .900 OPS in 2019 and played 155 games. He's been banged up since but still produces when he's on the field and all the stories about him say he's a gamer and works hard, so I'm okay with it.

To have him as the 'everyday' 3B, Story/Correa at SS, and IKF as the backup infielder would be amazing regardless of whether or not they get Freeman/Rizzo.

With that said, if they leave it as is and settle for Rizzo, this offseason is a failure. New dream (but realistic) scenario since Olson is off the table is:

Trade for Manaea and Murphy from A's for Voit and prospects (probably going to take a lot of low to mid-tier guys). Sign Correa/Story. Sign Freeman/Rizzo.

C Murphy
1B Freeman/Rizzo
2B DJ
3B Donaldson
SS Correa/Story
LF Stanton/Gallo
CF Hicks
RF Judge

INF IKF
INF Gleyber
OF Locastro
C Higgy

SP Cole
SP Sevy
SP Manaea
SP Montgomery
SP Taillon
SP Gil/King/Nestor/German

I have a feeling today's the day that big names are going to drop. First ST game is on Friday and position players want their ABs. They want to sign then have a couple days to report to camp and settle in. Just my opinion

I'd like to see Gleyber in the lineup. A new hitting coach can do wonders for someone his age who hit 38 homers just 3 seasons ago.

Yankees aren't getting Freeman

Highly unlikely that they traded Sanchez and Urshela for Donaldson/Falafel, if they planned on signing Correa/Story.

They'll give Freeman the extra year, or an option, and things will look so much better than current state.

Friday can't get here soon enough. Can't wait to start watching some games again, even if they don't matter.

[QUOTE=Boo;18063577][img]https://i.imgur.com/6dwKaYb.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

This is why I love Gardy haha!

[QUOTE=Boo;18063709]Yankees aren't getting Freeman[/QUOTE]

I say there's a 10% chance. It's coming to a head with the Braves officially out and more teams jumping in on the bidding. Next, we'll hear about a 'mystery' team and then we'll know his decision soon after that.

[QUOTE=montej1695;18063717]Highly unlikely that they traded Sanchez and Urshela for Donaldson/Falafel, if they planned on signing Correa/Story.

They'll give Freeman the extra year, or an option, and things will look so much better than current state.[/QUOTE]

Why not? SS depth is still very thin with IKF and 2 prospects with 0 MLB experience. Signing Correa/Story and using IKF as an infield utility makes too much sense. Especially when they are looking to trade Voit and they are getting offers on Gleyber.

Matt Olson signed an extension at an aav of 21M a year. You're going to tell me Volpe is going to be that good that we couldn't get a lefty power hitting 1B at age 28 and locked in for 8 years? WTF is Cashman doing?

[QUOTE=Mandy1320;18063891]
Why not? SS depth is still very thin with IKF and 2 prospects with 0 MLB experience. [B]Signing Correa/Story and using IKF as an infield utility makes too much sense.[/B] Especially when they are looking to trade Voit and they are getting offers on Gleyber.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JRX;18063967]Matt Olson signed an extension at an aav of 21M a year. You're going to tell me Volpe is going to be that good that we couldn't get a lefty power hitting 1B at age 28 and locked in for 8 years? [B] WTF is Cashman doing?[/B][/QUOTE]

You fellas are acting like Cash and his group of front office mis-hires actually do anything that makes logical sense :) I doubt they're going give big $ to Correa or Story. They're banking on a kid that hasn't played above single A ball to become the next Jeter. There's word that Correa will just sign back with the Houston Asterisks on a 1 year deal for $40MM+ b/c Boras won't get his full commission if he signs a long-term deal this off-season. And it looks like they'll lose out on Freeman to LAD. Cashman has the best job security in the world

[QUOTE=sportsfanatic;18063995]You fellas are acting like Cash and his group of front office mis-hires actually do anything that makes logical sense :) I doubt they're going give big $ to Correa or Story. They're banking on a kid that hasn't played above single A ball to become the next Jeter. There's word that Correa will just sign back with the Houston Asterisks on a 1 year deal for $40MM+ b/c Boras won't get his full commission if he signs a long-term deal this off-season. And it looks like they'll lose out on Freeman to LAD. Cashman has the best job security in the world[/QUOTE]

Agreed, I don't think the Yanks sign any "A" free agents. No Freeman, no Correa and no Story.

I think Andujar plays more this year than anyone expects right now

[QUOTE=sportsfanatic;18063995]You fellas are acting like Cash and his group of front office mis-hires actually do anything that makes logical sense :) I doubt they're going give big $ to Correa or Story. They're banking on a kid that hasn't played above single A ball to become the next Jeter. There's word that Correa will just sign back with the Houston Asterisks on a 1 year deal for $40MM+ b/c Boras won't get his full commission if he signs a long-term deal this off-season. And it looks like they'll lose out on Freeman to LAD. Cashman has the best job security in the world[/QUOTE]

I think Cashman is more than capable of running the team just not when restraints are put on him. Does that make him a bad GM? Maybe. But there's no doubt that he knows how to put together a winning team, he just struggles with putting the team over the top.

The Yankees of old would have at least pumped up their prospects so they could trade them for stars. We're passing on perennial all stars to protect prospects? Who are we?

[QUOTE=JRX;18064023]The Yankees of old would have at least pumped up their prospects so they could trade them for stars. We're passing on perennial all stars to protect prospects? Who are we?[/QUOTE]

Wannabe Rays

Olson signed for less than the Texeria deal, that's insane that we didn't go after him.

[QUOTE=JRX;18064031]Olson signed for less than the Texeria deal, that's insane that we didn't go after him.[/QUOTE]You would've given up Volpe? When you can just get a decent 1B with money?

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[QUOTE=hxcmilkshake;18064047]You would've given up Volpe? When you can just get a decent 1B with money?

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Who are we getting, Rizzo? His production pales in comparison to Olson. Sorry to all the Volpe flippers, but its not like he was putting up stats as a 17, 18 or 19 year old. He turn 21 at the end of the month. That's not old, but its also not screaming superstar.

I would be more than happy to stick with Rizzo. Let's at least get that deal done. There must be some interest in Voit out there let's get something for him.

As per NYC mandates, unvaccinated Yankees and Mets players will not be able to play home games. They won't get paid or receive service time for these games. Judge was asked earlier today if he was vaccinated and he danced around the question.:doh:

[QUOTE=marl1220;18064151]As per NYC mandates, unvaccinated Yankees and Mets players will not be able to play home games. They won't get paid or receive service time for these games. Judge was asked earlier today if he was vaccinated and he danced around the question.:doh:[/QUOTE]

That applied to outdoor venues as well? I thought the absurdity of allowing Kyrie to practice and sit courtside with the team but not step on the court with the team would have ended this, but NYC has a habit of continually finding a bigger idiot to run things.

[QUOTE=JRX;18064165]That applied to outdoor venues as well? I thought the absurdity of allowing Kyrie to practice and sit courtside with the team but not step on the court with the team would have ended this, but NYC has a habit of continually finding a bigger idiot to run things.[/QUOTE]

The Daily News is reporting this. And, according to them, outdoor venues are included.

According to Jon Heyman there are at least 3 player in the Yanks starting line up that aren't vaccinated.

[QUOTE=marl1220;18064151]As per NYC mandates, unvaccinated Yankees and Mets players will not be able to play home games. They won't get paid or receive service time for these games. Judge was asked earlier today if he was vaccinated and he danced around the question.:doh:[/QUOTE]

Good, get more pressure on the morons in charge to change the stupid mandate.

It doesn't apply to visiting players either, right? I think that's why Kyrie is the only guy that can't play at the Barclays.

[QUOTE=JRX;18064195]It doesn't apply to visiting players either, right? I think that's why Kyrie is the only guy that can't play at the Barclays.[/QUOTE]

Correct.:rolleyes:

This puts a ton of pressure on Judge if he isn't vaccinated. This being his last year before he's FA eligible and all.

[QUOTE=marl1220;18064207]This puts a ton of pressure on Judge if he isn't vaccinated. This being his last year before he's FA eligible and all.[/QUOTE]

That's not how informed consent is supposed to work, but best save that for another thread otherwise we'll get the official Yankees thread shut down lol

[QUOTE=JRX;18064218]That's not how informed consent is supposed to work, [B]but best save that for another thread otherwise we'll get the official Yankees thread shut down [/B]lol[/QUOTE]

So true. My bad.:)!

Move along. Nothing to see here.

As someone who literally got the second dose a few hours ago, that mandate makes no sense whatsoever. Kyrie sits courtside with other non-vaccinated people and watches visiting, non-vaccinated players play. I imagine it would be a similar situation for guy like Judge.

No wonder everyone is leaving NY. But as stated above, different topic for a different forum. I just hope this gets figured out before Opening Day so the influence of the pandemic on baseball is officially behind us.

If only the marlins would spend, they would have a huge advantage vs other states, no restrictions, no taxes.

[QUOTE=JRX;18064055]Who are we getting, Rizzo? His production pales in comparison to Olson. Sorry to all the Volpe flippers, but its not like he was putting up stats as a 17, 18 or 19 year old. He turn 21 at the end of the month. That's not old, but its also not screaming superstar.[/QUOTE]Cashman doesnt like to deal those prospects. I don't necessarily agree either but if they get Rizzo that would be ok

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[QUOTE=JRX;18064055]Who are we getting, Rizzo? His production pales in comparison to Olson. [B]Sorry to all the Volpe flippers, but its not like he was putting up stats as a 17, 18 or 19 year old.[/B] He turn 21 at the end of the month. That's not old, but its also not screaming superstar.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how fair this is. He played a little in rookie ball right out of HS, couldn't play in 2020, and tore it up as a 20 year old.

Rizzo isn't vaccinated so Idk if I'd bring him back, unless the mandate is going to change before opening day.

Im a Volpe fan and think he will be a star, so Im glad they didnt trade him. That said, I'd check in with Story and see if he'd do a 1 or 2 yr deal.

***The Official New York Yankees Thread***
 

[QUOTE=marl1220;18064151]As per NYC mandates, unvaccinated Yankees and Mets players will not be able to play home games. They won't get paid or receive service time for these games. Judge was asked earlier today if he was vaccinated and he danced around the question.:doh:[/QUOTE]


More from NYT [url]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/15/world/covid-19-mandates-cases-vaccine#yankees-mets[/url]. The fine print “The private sector mandate grants an exception for visiting professional athletes and anyone who accompanies them, along with performing artists and college athletes.” So it impacts the Yankees, but not the teams playing them.

Plus, Canada not allowing unvaccinated to play in Toronto, too.

AL East is going to be a mess


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Gonna be a battle between Rays and Jays!

I guess they're confident the mayor will change his mind cause they signed Rizzo.

[QUOTE=JRX;18065129]I guess they're confident the mayor will change his mind cause they signed Rizzo.[/QUOTE]

Still one guy too many in the IF, even if they trade Voit.

Great, now we have two washed-up corner infielders. To go along with two second basemen, both of whom fell off the same performance cliff. A noodle-bat at short. Holes in center and behind the plate. No #2 starter. An "ace" that can't pitch without the sticky stuff, and was last seen getting knocked out by our rival-- hiding behind a media machine that pushed the hamstring narrative. And now a "leader" in Judge who, just like Cole, cannot give a simple, straight answer to a straightforward question-- and, just like Cole, comes off like a total #@#@#@#@#@#@#@ in the process of squirming and evading and smirking in a press conference.

All that capped off by a cheapskate owner who was born on third with a silver spoon in his mouth, and thinks he hit a triple. Who led the charge for a lower CBT. His toady of a GM, who stubbornly holds assets until they have zero trade value, needing to be proven right, until he has no choice but to concede. And their equivocating manager, who eschews the concept of player accountability, and lies to the fan base every time he opens his mouth.

They deserve the 3rd or 4th place finish they'll get. Though they'll all tell the fans it's World Series or bust. At best, it'll be yet another first round knockout, until they run the con back on the fan base next year. Somewhere, the likes of Ruth, Gehrig, Joe D, Mickey, Yogi, Whitey... they're disgusted at what the Yankees have become since 2009.

Rizzo's back 2 years, 32 mill. Adios Voit! Maybe even Torres if DJ is penciled in for 2nd base.
[url]https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/yankees-to-re-sign-anthony-rizzo.html[/url]

Season can still be saved. Sign Correa/Story. Use IKF as backup INF. Trade Voit and Gleyber for pitcher and catcher.

If this is it, I could not be more disappointed. I'll save my rant for when that time comes.

What if I told you a team paid 225m and was at best 3rd best in their division.

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[QUOTE=JRX;18065362]What if I told you a team paid 225m and was at best 3rd best in their division.

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Amen.

They finished 3rd in the competition for first basemen. So it's fitting that'll be where they finish in their division. And another first round knockout at best.

It's the Yankee Way under Hal: do just enough to give most fans some hope. Just enough to fill the seats. Just enough to fill Hal's pockets.

But not nearly enough to win.

I really dont have hope. I honestly will be shocked if this team is better than the Rays or Toronto. I dont see them signing any other big name. They're at 225 and I cant see them going up over 250. This is more or less it.

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[QUOTE=JRX;18065362]What if I told you a team paid 225m and was at best 3rd best in their division.

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I'll piggy back off of this. What if I told you the Yankees are set to spend almost $42m more than they did last year and only got marginally better?

According to Spotrac and it's estimated Arb numbers, the 40-man salary is at around $233m.

In a parallel dimension where it's 2016 and the Yanks have this same corner infield of Rizzo and Donaldson, they are positively kicking ass. :)!

The yankees are like an overpriced dinner in manhattan where at the end when you get the bill you're not sure what cost so much and you're still hungry.

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Rizzo.
Two year deal.

How is a team this expensive this poorly constructed? The 2022 total payroll is now 241M only 8M less than the Mets.

Because the owner is a spoiled brat who inherited the team, and doesn't truly care about winning. And because the GM didn't earn the job either; his father was golf buddies with the right people, and that's how he got in the door. Neither man is self-made. And that's evident in all their decisions. What they spend on. Who they hold and how long. Investing in a win-now move in Cole, and stubbornly refusing to protect that investment by adding more "win-now," "go for the jugular" pieces. They're a special duo, Hal and Cash. And how they've gone backwards since 2017 proves it. As does no WS appearances since 2009. If the rest of us failed so miserably at our stated job goals, we'd be fired.

[QUOTE=JRX;18065516]The yankees are like an overpriced dinner in manhattan where at the end when you get the bill you're not sure what cost so much and you're still hungry.

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Outstanding. Bullseye.

Totally prepared for a third place finish where we flirt with a wild card finish and might make it in that way again.

If the pitching surprises, that's the only way I see us doing better...not counting on it.

They need to at least nail down Judge long term...can't believe they're talking about having him play CF more.

Are we confident they're better than Boston? Hell, if Cole goes down and Bal actually starts promoting their guys we could have a 250m last place team.

[url]https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/status/1504173405498658817?cxt=HHwWgsCytcXv8t8pAAAA[/url]

Why doesn't he just sell the team already? He could probably get over 5B.

[QUOTE=JRX;18065765]Are we confident they're better than Boston? Hell, if Cole goes down and Bal actually starts promoting their guys we could have a 250m last place team.[/QUOTE]

Sale out for a couple of months with a fractured rib.

[QUOTE=JRX;18066304][url]https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/status/1504173405498658817?cxt=HHwWgsCytcXv8t8pAAAA[/url]

Why doesn't he just sell the team already? He could probably get over 5B.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Where to begin dissecting that profoundly asinine Steinbrenner response...

He says, "the threshold is not a consideration." And then, one sentence later, he says, "But look, it's a consideration."

He talks about investors and banks and bondholders he feels a duty to—— what about the fans whose money pays off those investors?

He talks about his and Cashman's good history of putting a "good amount" of resources into players—— but what about their history of winning one division crown in the last 9 years? One WS title and appearance since 2009? What about that history?

And while maybe by his and some others' standards, they've put a "good amount," clearly in over a decade it hasn't been on the right players, or it hasn't been enough of an amount to achieve his stated goal of a championship.

My favorite, though, is the sentence to sentence contradiction. Classic current Yankees. Reminds me of the famous Chappelle skit with Rick James.

I wouldn't put my feet up on someone's couch...

Yeah, I put my feet up on Eddie's couch.

:doh:

Here's the problem, nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to take out a bunch of debt to build a new stadium (yes it was George's idea, but still) and have a section with a moat that they can't fill because its too damn expensive. You should not have a 250m payroll and still be in a position where you're not clear favorites. Like, you're obviously doing something wrong.

In terms of results for the dollar spent, does any owner/GM duo have a more hysterically pathetic record over the past decade than those two products of nepotism?

[QUOTE=Doctor Claw;18066401]In terms of results for the dollar spent, does any owner/GM duo have a more hysterically pathetic record over the past decade than those two products of nepotism?[/QUOTE]

The Dodgers did eventually win and made mult ws so no.

It's so funny to me when he says they "lost" money. No... you lost expected revenue. The TV deals and merch were all still there.

Love to hear the owner make excuse after excuse. If he wants to complain about all the money they are spending compared to the product, now THAT is worth talking about.

[QUOTE=Doctor Claw;18066401]In terms of results for the dollar spent, does any owner/GM duo have a more hysterically pathetic record over the past decade than those two products of nepotism?[/QUOTE]

Nope, most likely not. Hal's too afraid to fire Cash b/c all that he knows about baseball comes from Cash. And Cashman has done a piss-poor job for the better part of the last 2 decades. 2 division titles in the past decade and 1 ring in the last 20 years is not what we've come to expect from an organization with 27 chips. I mean if he's not capable of making the right decisions to run baseball ops, at least hire the right people who can help him. He's done an incredibly bad job of even hiring the right people across all levels of the front office & organization. The analytics & player development depts of teams like TB & TOR (and others across MLB) are running laps around them. The Yanks as presently constructed are gona be battling for 3rd place and will most likely finish 4th in their own division smh

[QUOTE=sportsfanatic;18066844]Nope, most likely not. Hal's too afraid to fire Cash b/c all that he knows about baseball comes from Cash. And Cashman has done a piss-poor job for the better part of the last 2 decades. 2 division titles in the past decade and 1 ring in the last 20 years is not what we've come to expect from an organization with 27 chips. I mean if he's not capable of making the right decisions to run baseball ops, at least hire the right people who can help him. He's done an incredibly bad job of even hiring the right people across all levels of the front office & organization. The analytics & player development depts of teams like TB & TOR (and others across MLB) are running laps around them. The Yanks as presently constructed are gona be battling for 3rd place and will most likely finish 4th in their own division smh[/QUOTE]

Who is the last pitcher we developed? We don't even have anyone in the minors who can come up and throw lights out for an inning or two.

[QUOTE=JRX;18066853]Who is the last pitcher we developed? We don't even have anyone in the minors who can come up and throw lights out for an inning or two.[/QUOTE]

Ramiro Mendoza.

[QUOTE=JRX;18066853]Who is the last pitcher we developed? We don't even have anyone in the minors who can come up and throw lights out for an inning or two.[/QUOTE]

I was told to invest in Gil rookie cards this year. :coffee:

At this rate, I almost wish baseball was locked out all season. This team is going to suck. :doh: The only good news is Sanchez is finally gone. :flex: Where is DJ playing? Where is Voit playing? Who's pitching after Cole? I guess CC says Severino has been impressive. We'll see if he can stay healthy for once. The battle for 3rd or 4th begins soon. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=JRX;18066853]Who is the last pitcher we developed? We don't even have anyone in the minors who can come up and throw lights out for an inning or two.[/QUOTE]


Severino would be my quick answer I guess. I personally believe that Montgomery, already a steady #4 takes a step up this year. The other kids like Gil, Schmidt and Loasiga are still developing into promising pieces. Nothing spectacular but they’re whaling away like every other team when it comes to developing pitching IMO. Not everyone can be like Milwaukee,Cleveland, LAD or the Marlins and build their staff with homegrown talent. Everyone everyone else is just trading, drafting and hoping for the best.

The thing that stands out to me more and more is the lack of developing bullpen arms. Elite starting pitching is hard to come by no matter where you are, but how do we not have our own stable of guys throwing 100. We're wasting 18m on a closer, 14m on a setup guy that's hurt. That's where we should be using guys in the minors and spend that 30m on a real SS/3B/CF etc.