How long would you wait/hold a high end card for a buyer for? deposit etc?
 

This is not to bash. I truly am wondering. How long would you hold a HIGH END card for a buyer? How long would you wait for a deposit?
The sale was agreed to in Februrary for well over $300,000.

Keep in mind this person is an owner of a reputble grading company here in the USA. And keeps telling me he wants it for his PC. But tells me he is just so busy with shows etc to jump on plane to VT to pay and get the card yet.

I was also promised a deposit, about a month ago. Still cant seem to even get that. But tells me in July Or August he will come to complete the deal.

I know its a super high end deal which can't just happen via paypal. So I am trying to be reasonable here. Plus hes a reputable person in our hobby some of you prob know. Which makes this whole thing even tougher how to handle etc.

Truly looking for insight. Ive been doing my best to be patient and kind but not sure its working in my favor. And at the end of the day just wanna sell my card lol

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18256669]This is not to bash. I truly am wondering. How long would you hold a HIGH END card for a buyer? How long would you wait for a deposit?
The sale was agreed to in Februrary for well over $300,000.

Keep in mind this person is an owner of a reputble grading company here in the USA. And keeps telling me he wants it for his PC. But tells me he is just so busy with shows etc to jump on plane to VT to pay and get the card yet.

I was also promised a deposit, about a month ago. Still cant seem to even get that. But tells me in July Or August he will come to complete the deal.

I know its a super high end deal which can't just happen via paypal. So I am trying to be reasonable here. Plus hes a reputable person in our hobby some of you prob know. Which makes this whole thing even tougher how to handle etc.

Truly looking for insight. Ive been doing my best to be patient and kind but not sure its working in my favor. And at the end of the day just wanna sell my card lol[/QUOTE]

February? He should already be called out. Shouldn’t a reputable person follow through when they say they will. You aren’t reputable if this is how you handle a deaL of this size.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18256669]This is not to bash. I truly am wondering. How long would you hold a HIGH END card for a buyer? How long would you wait for a deposit?
The sale was agreed to in Februrary for well over $300,000.

[B]Keep in mind this person is an owner of a reputble grading company here in the USA.[/B] And keeps telling me he wants it for his PC. But tells me he is just so busy with shows etc to jump on plane to VT to pay and get the card yet.

I was also promised a deposit, about a month ago. Still cant seem to even get that. But tells me in July Or August he will come to complete the deal.

I know its a super high end deal which can't just happen via paypal. So I am trying to be reasonable here. [B]Plus hes a reputable person in our hobby some of you prob know.[/B] Which makes this whole thing even tougher how to handle etc.

Truly looking for insight. Ive been doing my best to be patient and kind but not sure its working in my favor. And at the end of the day just wanna sell my card lol[/QUOTE]

Interesting. You basically called the person out or at least narrowed it down. But you handle the deal just like you would any other deal. Agreed upon time and deposit, neither was done. Time can be extended but no reason not to send a good faith deposit. So maybe someone changed their mind?

I doubt he will follow through with the deal if he has not already. Given the fact the market has dropped and with potential for a card of the magnitude of $300k to drop substantially I'm guessing the guy will not follow through with the deal.

He tells the reason is because he's busy...
For 300k I take a plane and leave it to a relative of his.
If that's not ok for him, then the reason is $

[QUOTE=49ersSF;18256732]I doubt he will follow through with the deal if he has not already. Given the fact the market has dropped and with potential for a card of the magnitude of $300k to drop substantially I'm guessing the guy will not follow through with the deal.[/QUOTE]

Yeah curious what the card is. If it’s a Mahomes that was being bought around super bowl time or something else. $300k is pretty big

What will it grade?

I bet a 10 (for him).

If you have that kind of money, you have people to handle this kind of thing for you. This deal isn’t going to happen, otherwise it already would have.

Your card, and your time have been held hostage.

Due to this putz, you have not been able to freely solicit or sell the item in a timely manner or at your convenience.

No deposit.
4 months.

Are you sure you're not being scammed? Because this is beyond the pale.

Thanks for all the replies guys truly.

Its been mentally exhausting to feel to close, yet so far.

I did worry I may be getting scammed at first, as couldnt seem to get him to facetime me, after pushing back original date set for April. But we had a mutual friend who was going to same show recently, and they met, and my friend confirmed its him etc. And next day after said show, buyer told me will get flight booked and all that.

Even tho that was like 3-4 weeks ago. I'm told he's just super busy with upcoming shows and nationals. I guess his company is at nearly every show.

Its like no deal ive ever been invovled in thats for sure. But ive also never sold anything near this price, so trying to be kind and patient. But man its been tough

4 months is 3 months and 21 days too long.


Call him out and move on. He ain’t buying. He’s stringing you along and hoping he can get it cheaper.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18256669]This is not to bash. I truly am wondering. How long would you hold a HIGH END card for a buyer? How long would you wait for a deposit?
The sale was agreed to in Februrary for well over $300,000.

Keep in mind this person is an owner of a [B]reputble grading company [/B]here in the USA. And keeps telling me he wants it for his PC. But tells me he is just so busy with shows etc to jump on plane to VT to pay and get the card yet.

I was also promised a deposit, about a month ago. Still cant seem to even get that. But tells me in July Or August he will come to complete the deal.

I know its a super high end deal which can't just happen via paypal. So I am trying to be reasonable here. Plus hes a reputable person in our hobby some of you prob know. Which makes this whole thing even tougher how to handle etc.

Truly looking for insight. Ive been doing my best to be patient and kind but not sure its working in my favor. And at the end of the day just wanna sell my card lol[/QUOTE]

Not sure there is such a thing. Call him out...I hope it is the person I'm thinking of!!

[QUOTE=Boo;18256947]Not sure there is such a thing. Call him out...I hope it is the person I'm thinking of!![/QUOTE]

U know it is !

[QUOTE=Boo;18256947]Not sure there is such a thing. Call him out...I hope it is the person I'm thinking of!![/QUOTE]

Glen has the cookies and spare room all made up for him!

[QUOTE=BostonNut;18257039]Glen has the cookies and spare room all made up for him![/QUOTE]

Free stay at the B&B should be enough to get him on a plane to VT

People on here will call someone out over 8 bucks, and you are worried that 4 months isn't long enough for a $300k deal?

It's done, he's not paying, call him out. The whole "I'm so busy" excuse is asinine. Tell him you'll hop on a plane and meet him at his next show to make the deal, and he'll have a different excuse.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18256669]Keep in mind this person is an owner of a reputble grading company here in the USA.[/QUOTE]

The only reputable grading company is [URL="https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1485667"]Ruffleton Grading.[/URL]

[QUOTE=no10pin;18257092]People on here will call someone out over 8 bucks, and you are worried that 4 months isn't long enough for a $300k deal?

It's done, he's not paying, call him out. The whole "I'm so busy" excuse is asinine. [B]Tell him you'll hop on a plane and meet him at his next show to make the deal[/B], and he'll have a different excuse.[/QUOTE]

If the OP actually does this, I hope he charges the buyer for the plane ticket, hotel, food, etc.

Think of it as an inconvenience fee.

Crazy story! Can you show us the card in the deal?

[QUOTE=therealcjc33;18257251]If the OP actually does this, I hope he charges the buyer for the plane ticket, hotel, food, etc.

Think of it as an inconvenience fee.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree, but my guess is that there will be a reason that the 'buyer' can't make that work anyway.

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;18256754]What will it grade?

I bet a 10 (for him).[/QUOTE]

Yeah but then he’ll get upcharged and he [I]hates[/I] that.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18256880]Thanks for all the replies guys truly.

Its been mentally exhausting to feel to close, yet so far.

I did worry I may be getting scammed at first, as couldnt seem to get him to facetime me, after pushing back original date set for April. But we had a mutual friend who was going to same show recently, and they met, and my friend confirmed its him etc. And next day after said show, buyer told me will get flight booked and all that.

Even tho that was like 3-4 weeks ago. I'm told he's just super busy with upcoming shows and nationals. I guess his company is at nearly every show.

Its like no deal ive ever been invovled in thats for sure. But ive also never sold anything near this price, so trying to be kind and patient. But man its been tough[/QUOTE]

Can't you agree to meet at nationals and get the deal done? Are you not in the states where you can get there easily?

Man, that would suck if the hobby fat cat already had a copy of the card and was only tying up OP’s card with pointless delay tactics while he sought buyers willing to pay more without competition.

Something tells me we’re missing several months of context. Post every piece of communication op.

[QUOTE=pingbling23;18257328]Something tells me we’re missing several months of context. Post every piece of communication op.[/QUOTE]

Honestly not really missing anything
Ill try to add important details:

One thing I should mention to be fair, is I do suffer from a really bad anxiety issue. Which bears mention because its is the only reason I havent jumped on a plane and just gone to him. I dont drive, etc.

Which I've explained to each buyer whos contacted, including him. And also explaining I would need them to come to my home state and set up the wire transfer with my bank manager. Card is in safety deposit box at that bank etc.

Which was agreed to by buyer of course. He's even asked me multiple times to send best airport for him to fly into. As recently as like 3-4 weeks ago.

In that last message asking me about which airport, he assured me he will be here and send a deposit before his dates. and was looking at two dates either July 11th or August 3rd. Which I did agree to at the time. So I gotta give him until then to be fair.
I really appreciate everyones responses. I guess i just needed to vent for now while still waiting. Really hoping I update the thread soon with positive news!

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18258733]Honestly not really missing anything
Ill try to add important details:

One thing I should mention to be fair, is I do suffer from a really bad anxiety issue. Which bears mention because its is the only reason I havent jumped on a plane and just gone to him. I dont drive, etc.

Which I've explained to each buyer whos contacted, including him. And also explaining I would need them to come to my home state and set up the wire transfer with my bank manager. Card is in safety deposit box at that bank etc.

Which was agreed to by buyer of course. He's even asked me multiple times to send best airport for him to fly into. As recently as like 3-4 weeks ago.

In that last message asking me about which airport, he assured me he will be here and send a deposit before his dates. and was looking at two dates either July 11th or August 3rd. Which I did agree to at the time. So I gotta give him until then to be fair.
I really appreciate everyones responses. I guess i just needed to vent for now while still waiting. Really hoping I update the thread soon with positive news![/QUOTE]

If this guy really wanted the card he could get on a plane fly in buy the card and fly out in all of half a day. If he has $300K he can spend on a card he can afford a chartered flight and to take half a day to day out of his schedule. Seems this guy is jerking you around.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18258733]Honestly not really missing anything
Ill try to add important details:

One thing I should mention to be fair, is I do suffer from a really bad anxiety issue. Which bears mention because its is the only reason I havent jumped on a plane and just gone to him. I dont drive, etc.

Which I've explained to each buyer whos contacted, including him. And also explaining I would need them to come to my home state and set up the wire transfer with my bank manager. Card is in safety deposit box at that bank etc.

Which was agreed to by buyer of course. He's even asked me multiple times to send best airport for him to fly into. As recently as like 3-4 weeks ago.

[B]In that last message asking me about which airport, he assured me he will be here and send a deposit before his dates. and was looking at two dates either July 11th or August 3rd. Which I did agree to at the time. So I gotta give him until then to be fair. [/B]
I really appreciate everyones responses. I guess i just needed to vent for now while still waiting. Really hoping I update the thread soon with positive news![/QUOTE]

If that's the case, you shouldn't have started the thread. Also if he wanted the card he'd have it by now if he's flying all over to different shows. Can't wait for the update that he's such a great guy after buying it 6 months later.

For $300,000 I would flown to him and hand delivered it during week 1.

[QUOTE=Boo;18258790]If that's the case, you shouldn't have started the thread. Also if he wanted the card he'd have it by now if he's flying all over to different shows. Can't wait for the update that he's such a great guy after buying it 6 months later.[/QUOTE]

:cry:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boo View Post
If that's the case, you shouldn't have started the thread. [B]Also if he wanted the card he'd have it by now if he's flying all over to different shows. Can't wait for the update that he's such a great guy after buying it 6 months later.
[/B]

[QUOTE=Siberian13;18259057]:cry:[/QUOTE]

Trust me I've been feeling the same way, with same questions daily.

Again the thread wasn't to call anyone out yet as i said in OP.

I truly just wanted to get an idea how long we all think is too long on a HIGH END deal. And how others would feel in this situation etc.

Glad to know my thoughts and feeling are similar to everyones on here.

He does own a grading card company, so one would assume credibility would matter. Which was really the biggest reason I chose to make a deal with him over other buyers in Feb.

But ill def update the thread when I have update. Thanks again for the replies

He owns a grading company
 

He does own a grading card company, so one would assume credibility would matter.

That is hilarious!

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18259758]Quote:
Originally Posted by Boo View Post
If that's the case, you shouldn't have started the thread. [B]Also if he wanted the card he'd have it by now if he's flying all over to different shows. Can't wait for the update that he's such a great guy after buying it 6 months later.
[/B]



Trust me I've been feeling the same way, with same questions daily.

Again the thread wasn't to call anyone out yet as i said in OP.

I truly just wanted to get an idea how long we all think is too long on a HIGH END deal. And how others would feel in this situation etc.

Glad to know my thoughts and feeling are similar to everyones on here.

He does own a grading card company, so one would assume credibility would matter. Which was really the biggest reason I chose to make a deal with him over other buyers in Feb.

But ill def update the thread when I have update. Thanks again for the replies[/QUOTE]

I think by saying he owns a grading company you already called him out :)!

[QUOTE=Univibes;18259039]For $300,000 I would flown to him and hand delivered it during week 1.[/QUOTE]

I agree but I wouldn't be flying to the buyer without at least a 5-10% nonrefundable deposit beforehand.

To be fair, there isn't much in Vermont. I would find it difficult to get up there for one buy and try to coordinate it with something going on in MA or maybeeee CT. Just depends what part of VT.

[QUOTE=marinocollector;18266495]To be fair, there isn't much in Vermont. I would find it difficult to get up there for one buy and try to coordinate it with something going on in MA or maybeeee CT. Just depends what part of VT.[/QUOTE]

hey now....oh wait...yeah there is absolutely no reason to come up here :coffee:

This is incredible. 4+ months for $300K and the buyer is still considered "reputable?" Nope, nuh uh.

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;18266767]This is incredible. 4+ months for $300K and the buyer is still considered "reputable?" Nope, nuh uh.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, it is incredible. I would never treat a deal like this, or treat another person like this.

It's turned into the most frustrating deal I've ever been invovled in, in 20+ years.

5 months now, and still waiting for the deposit and him to book fliight.

On may 29th told me he would book flight within 1 week.

I do have somewhat more of an update.

He finally responded via text today- (from June 6th to today July 15th, I kept asking if he booked flight like he said would on May 29th).

Long story short, no flight ever got booked. But hes going to and I quote , "have more clarity on things over the next two weeks" and "will circle back with me". He "Just can't commit to any travel plans until he gets this stuff lined out"

Then tells me if I need the money so bad, I should send to PWCC auction and quote "He will win it"

so doesn't have to travel to VT like we agreed to in Februrary.

I almost dont even have words at this point. I am going to give him the few weeks since I said I would give until Aug 3rd, and I am a man of my word. But not holding my breath by any means.

You dont have any word to keep when you've been talking with someone who is dealing with you in bad faith.

If this wasn't a transaction i'd swear it sounds like someone stuck in an abusive relationship. The guy your working with is a tool.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18302551]I do have somewhat more of an update.

He finally responded via text today- (from June 6th to today July 15th, I kept asking if he booked flight like he said would on May 29th).

Long story short, no flight ever got booked. But hes going to and I quote , "have more clarity on things over the next two weeks" and "will circle back with me". He "Just can't commit to any travel plans until he gets this stuff lined out"

Then tells me if I need the money so bad, I should send to PWCC auction and quote "He will win it"

so doesn't have to travel to VT like we agreed to in Februrary.

I almost dont even have words at this point. I am going to give him the few weeks since I said I would give until Aug 3rd, and I am a man of my word. But not holding my breath by any means.[/QUOTE]

Forget this clown.

post his name already

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18302551]I do have somewhat more of an update.

He finally responded via text today- (from June 6th to today July 15th, I kept asking if he booked flight like he said would on May 29th).

Long story short, no flight ever got booked. But hes going to and I quote , "have more clarity on things over the next two weeks" and "will circle back with me". He "Just can't commit to any travel plans until he gets this stuff lined out"

Then tells me if I need the money so bad, I should send to PWCC auction and quote "He will win it"

so doesn't have to travel to VT like we agreed to in Februrary.

I almost dont even have words at this point. I am going to give him the few weeks since I said I would give until Aug 3rd, and I am a man of my word. But not holding my breath by any means.[/QUOTE]

Serious people don’t talk like this when dealing with large sums of money like you’re talking about.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18302551]I do have somewhat more of an update.

He finally responded via text today- (from June 6th to today July 15th, I kept asking if he booked flight like he said would on May 29th).

Long story short, no flight ever got booked. But hes going to and I quote , "have more clarity on things over the next two weeks" and "will circle back with me". He "Just can't commit to any travel plans until he gets this stuff lined out"

Then tells me if I need the money so bad, I should send to PWCC auction and quote "He will win it"

so doesn't have to travel to VT like we agreed to in Februrary.

I almost dont even have words at this point. I am going to give him the few weeks since I said I would give until Aug 3rd, and I am a man of my word. But not holding my breath by any means.[/QUOTE]

It's been almost a month since you created the thread. I know you want the sale to go through, but it's not happening. The guy has strung you along for 5 months and broken every promise he made you.

Tell the guy to get bent, post his name, and sell the card to someone else.

Is this for some Razor Metal autos and some Pro Set Santa Clsus cards?

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18256669] The sale was agreed to in February[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18302551]He's going to and I quote , "have more clarity on things over the next two weeks" and "will circle back with me". He "Just can't commit to any travel plans until he gets this stuff lined out"

I am going to give him the few weeks[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18302551] I am going to give him the few weeks since I said I would give until Aug 3rd, and I am a man of my word. But not holding my breath by any means.[/QUOTE]

I don't blame you for keeping at this as this is a nice chunk of cash on line. I do think 2 weeks will pass and there will be yet another excuse to delay.

This is not meant as an attack, but a question for you, and for you to ask yourself:

"Why are you showing loyalty and consideration to a person who shows you none?"

There are other fish (whales) in the sea. A card of that size will have multiple people drooling.

Call any of the major auction houses; Goldin, Heritage, etc etc and tell them what you have, and ask if they'll give you a 0 % fee for listing with them. I *guarantee* they'll do it.

This person is stringing you along, and then gave you the classic abusive-partner line that he doesn't need you. He can win any auction you enter. He's trying to psyche you out and control you.

Put the card up. Get it out of your hands, put this mess behind you.

And don't accept any calls, texts, email or smoke signals from this non-serious person.

I have no idea who that buyer is, as others seem to, but he can Cram it. With walnuts.

Is it even worth that much now?

Sounds like he’s waiting for it to drop.

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;18302970]Is it even worth that much now?

Sounds like he’s waiting for it to drop.[/QUOTE]

Bingo.

Now OP,

[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/QjPmkMnAMucAAAAM/say-his-name-i-dare-you-i-dare-you.gif[/IMG]

I’m thinking you lost 25% by waiting. Why not meet at the NATional?

Please don't let this person continue to string you along. I'm sure they will be asking for a discount from your originally agreed upon price if the card has dropped now too.

Send it to a reputable auction house.

Don't give this person until 8/5. They've strung you along enough.

And post the name. This person isn't dealing in good faith, is not a good actor, and is not reputable.

[QUOTE=Boo;18303028]I’m thinking you lost 25% by waiting. Why not meet at the NATional?[/QUOTE]

So the guy is Nat Turner?

[QUOTE=Siberian13;18303062]So the guy is Nat Turner?[/QUOTE]

Sorry about that, my caps lock was on. We don’t know for sure because the OP won’t name him.

Pay for my flights and give me 5% and I’ll do the driving and/or flying you don’t want to do. Easy

[QUOTE=asujbl;18303165]Pay for my flights and give me 5% and I’ll do the driving and/or flying you don’t want to do. Easy[/QUOTE]

Nah…we don’t want any of your Browns stank here!

[QUOTE=asujbl;18303165]Pay for my flights and give me 5% and I’ll do the driving and/or flying you don’t want to do. Easy[/QUOTE]

Buyer would likely want a discount to have to meet you.

You agreed on a price and a sale.

At THAT TIME

At THAT PRICE

You did not agree to be taken hostage, and your opportunity cost continues to RISE with every day and every opportunity you could not take because of the flesh bag.

Also, thank you for bringing their poor behavior into the light for the community. While I do not have cards at this level, if I did, this behavior would inform me to either not deal with said person, or go into the deal with a more aggressive stance, demanding clear dates, timeliness and milestones that if not met, voided the deal.

I can't say this clearly or loudly enough: F*** THAT GUY!

i started calling out PSA after 12 months. That was my limit.

Mcdonalds drive thru, 2 minutes.

strange how life is.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18302551]I do have somewhat more of an update.

He finally responded via text today- (from June 6th to today July 15th, I kept asking if he booked flight like he said would on May 29th).

Long story short, no flight ever got booked. But hes going to and I quote , "have more clarity on things over the next two weeks" and "will circle back with me". He "Just can't commit to any travel plans until he gets this stuff lined out"

Then tells me if I need the money so bad, I should send to PWCC auction and quote "He will win it"

so doesn't have to travel to VT like we agreed to in Februrary.

I almost dont even have words at this point. I am going to give him the few weeks since I said I would give until Aug 3rd, and I am a man of my word. But not holding my breath by any means.[/QUOTE]

If I were you I would pull down my pants take a picture of my butt and send it to him saying he can kiss it you are done with his games. He is jerking you around and he's never going to pay you for these cards. His next excuse will be the cards are not worth the price anymore and demand you lower your price. Better to tell him to kiss your butt now and walk away from the guy.

So any update? Did this guy ever pay or did he just keep jerking you around.

Does his name rhyme with rat Spurner?

Makes me wonder how many other sellers the buyer has treated this way. I realize we're all adults in here, but if you're someone with the means to dangle six figures over the head of an average joe until they cave and give you a steal—that deserves to be called out.

It's especially cruel and unusual when asset prices are falling, inflation is bad, and people are talking recession.

I'm not into holding my position of financial security over your head, trying to make you break so that I can take advantage of the situation I'm putting you in.

If my poor behavior works for me, I'll keep doing it until that outcome stops being favorable.

Shoot. Go to Amazon, buy some tube socks and soap bars/doorknobs, and mail them to the guy "for the Private Pyle sheet party fast approaching ".

Paging OP...any updates???

Sounds like Nat Turner isn’t a very nice person. Hope he fixes this or at least stops by to clear his name.

[QUOTE=Siberian13;18343143]Sounds like Nat Turner isn’t a very nice person. Hope he fixes this or at least stops by to clear his name.[/QUOTE]

What if it was his son who wanted the card?

I believe today is Aug 5th any updates?????

[QUOTE=jplarson;18343472]What if it was his son who wanted the card?[/QUOTE]

Don’t bring Metaphor Turner into this mess.

[QUOTE=rcmb3220;18347545]Don’t bring Metaphor Turner into this mess.[/QUOTE]

Beaded.

[QUOTE=cardsharkk;18302551]I do have somewhat more of an update.

He finally responded via text today- (from June 6th to today July 15th, I kept asking if he booked flight like he said would on May 29th).

Long story short, no flight ever got booked. But hes going to and I quote , "have more clarity on things over the next two weeks" and "will circle back with me". He "Just can't commit to any travel plans until he gets this stuff lined out"

Then tells me if I need the money so bad, I should send to PWCC auction and quote "He will win it"

so doesn't have to travel to VT like we agreed to in Februrary.

I almost dont even have words at this point. I am going to give him the few weeks since I said I would give until Aug 3rd, and I am a man of my word. But not holding my breath by any means.[/QUOTE]

So a week after the date you were giving him until, update please. Name him, he screwed you royally.

This thread is a joke at this point. Even if OP miraculously finally "gets his" (even though "his" will wind up being significantly less than initially agreed upon), OP should still name names, but they won't, based on how this thread has already played out.

I'm starting to think we were all catfished.

[QUOTE=Siberian13;18303062]So the guy is Nat Turner?[/QUOTE]

The guy that led a slave rebellion and killed a bunch of slave owners?

[QUOTE=christhecpa;18357200]The guy that led a slave rebellion and killed a bunch of slave owners?[/QUOTE]

Never heard of her