2022 Topps Heritage High Presale....Thoughts?
 

Hi

I know 2022 Topps Heritage High wont be out until November 9th, 2022 but....


Currently Julio Rodriguez Rookie cards will be in this product and we could possibly see BOBBY WITT JR / RILEY GREENE / and a few others if they get called up soon.
at $85 a box, doesn't it sound to good to be true?

Rodriguez Base Rookie will probably sell for $10-$15 while Witt and other RCs could be in the $5-8 range.

Rodriguez action variation might sell for $100+ while Witt and Greene could be $50+. And don't forget about the color parallels and variations. Rodriguez "Throwback" might bring in 3k. Plus the fact that Heritage High is always printed much less than Heritage, this product should be one of the best buys in 2022.

By this time PSA should have a $20-30 grading level.


Any thoughts on the potential of this product as well as the current price?

I think it could be one of the hottest products if not the hottest of these past years.

[B]On a serious note, I usually get 1-2 cases each year of heritage and heritage high (never pre-sale) so it doesn't really matter to me. I love heritage. Probably my favorite Topps product[/B]

It’s affordable and has the good rookies. For that reason, I like it.

Still won’t buy any though.

Positive for nandrolone.

I think we've come to the point where if he thought he'd done something wrong he would have admitted it. His apology did not provide that. You can tell he wanted to skewer the testing system but he probably couldn't for whatever reason.

I'll always laugh when I see that hook, line, and sinker.

I honestly feel it depends tremendously on the checklist. Julio better have an action and autos in this product. But the price isn't crazy to me, pretty decent. A year ago this would've been at $150 a box presale.

Heritage is always a winner (in my book).

[QUOTE=Zauron;18455711]I'll always laugh when I see that hook, line, and sinker.

I honestly feel it depends tremendously on the checklist. Julio better have an action and autos in this product. But the price isn't crazy to me, pretty decent. A year ago this would've been at $150 a box presale.[/QUOTE]

I'm 100% sure julio will be in this. Base, action, color swap, all the variations, purple chrome, base chrome, refractor, red refractor, black refractor, gold refractor, superfractor, roa, red ink roa, and probably the best "throwback." Straight fire.

Wait a couple weeks after release and it will be cheaper. Should be a solid rip, but I would wait for a better price. Timing will be perfect for dealers to be moving inventory before the end of the year too.

we were sure Julio was going to have his First Topps Chrome card in 2022 Topps Chrome, as well

#ThanksTopps

It takes time for the masses to catch onto trends as a whole, so let me save everyone some headaches that is reading this. Our current market is not conducive to preordering at the moment.

1) Prices are still trending down.
2) Economy is still trending down.
3) Unknown content in releases such as rookies and sps.
4) Unknown if big cards are live or redemptions.
5) How will the product break? Better or worse than anticipated?

There are other pieces to the puzzle, but right now, almost no mainstream release should be purchased ahead of time. I just don't see the upside to doing that, other than getting something on release day. Patience is rewarded in this hobby. This will probably be a decent product, but wait.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18455747]we were sure Julio was going to have his First Topps Chrome card in 2022 Topps Chrome, as well

#ThanksTopps[/QUOTE]

They will just put him in update. This is heritage “update.” He’s obviously in it, it just depends on if he’s just an SP or not.

[QUOTE=mikejones;18455694]Hi

I know 2022 Topps Heritage High wont be out until November 9th, 2022 but....


Currently Julio Rodriguez Rookie cards will be in this product and we could possibly see BOBBY WITT JR / RILEY GREENE / and a few others if they get called up soon.
at $85 a box, doesn't it sound to good to be true?

Rodriguez Base Rookie will probably sell for $10-$15 while Witt and other RCs could be in the $5-8 range.

Rodriguez action variation might sell for $100+ while Witt and Greene could be $50+. And don't forget about the color parallels and variations. Rodriguez "Throwback" might bring in 3k. Plus the fact that Heritage High is always printed much less than Heritage, this product should be one of the best buys in 2022.

By this time PSA should have a $20-30 grading level.


Any thoughts on the potential of this product as well as the current price?

I think it could be one of the hottest products if not the hottest of these past years.

[B]On a serious note, I usually get 1-2 cases each year of heritage and heritage high (never pre-sale) so it doesn't really matter to me. I love heritage. Probably my favorite Topps product[/B][/QUOTE]

Riley Greene is 2023 is he not?

[QUOTE=evan523;18455768]Riley Greene is 2023 is he not?[/QUOTE]

yes his Rookie Cards will be in 2023 releases, as he was not in 2021 Bowman's Best

Michael Harris the Sequel will also be 2023, correct? He did not appear in Bowman's Best and has "call up" on Topps now, right?

[QUOTE=JoshMN;18455838]Michael Harris the Sequel will also be 2023, correct? He did not appear in Bowman's Best and has "call up" on Topps now, right?[/QUOTE]

that is correct

I am in for the singles

[QUOTE=evan523;18455768]Riley Greene is 2023 is he not?[/QUOTE]

You’ve been BRIOSED!!!!!!!!!!!

Realistic street date?

[QUOTE=base set;18455934]Realistic street date?[/QUOTE]

It's changed 5 times...Was November 30th...now it's back to the 9th.

Riley Greene would probably have been in a lot of ‘23 products if he hadn’t taken a foul ball off his foot late in Spring Training and missed 2.5 months of the season, simple as that.

[QUOTE=SGC300ier;18455936]It's changed 5 times...Was November 30th...now it's back to the 9th.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I heard just “earlier now”

[QUOTE=mikejones;18455694]Hi

I know 2022 Topps Heritage High wont be out until November 9th, 2022 but....


Currently Julio Rodriguez Rookie cards will be in this product and we could possibly see BOBBY WITT JR / RILEY GREENE / and a few others if they get called up soon.
at $85 a box, doesn't it sound to good to be true?

Rodriguez Base Rookie will probably sell for $10-$15 while Witt and other RCs could be in the $5-8 range.

Rodriguez action variation might sell for $100+ while Witt and Greene could be $50+. And don't forget about the color parallels and variations. Rodriguez "Throwback" might bring in 3k. Plus the fact that Heritage High is always printed much less than Heritage, this product should be one of the best buys in 2022.

By this time PSA should have a $20-30 grading level.


Any thoughts on the potential of this product as well as the current price?

I think it could be one of the hottest products if not the hottest of these past years.

[B]On a serious note, I usually get 1-2 cases each year of heritage and heritage high (never pre-sale) so it doesn't really matter to me. I love heritage. Probably my favorite Topps product[/B][/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=mikejones;18455694]Hi

I know 2022 Topps Heritage High wont be out until November 9th, 2022 but....


Currently Julio Rodriguez Rookie cards will be in this product and we could possibly see BOBBY WITT JR / RILEY GREENE / and a few others if they get called up soon.
at $85 a box, doesn't it sound to good to be true?

Rodriguez Base Rookie will probably sell for $10-$15 while Witt and other RCs could be in the $5-8 range.

Rodriguez action variation might sell for $100+ while Witt and Greene could be $50+. And don't forget about the color parallels and variations. Rodriguez "Throwback" might bring in 3k. Plus the fact that Heritage High is always printed much less than Heritage, this product should be one of the best buys in 2022.

By this time PSA should have a $20-30 grading level.


Any thoughts on the potential of this product as well as the current price?

I think it could be one of the hottest products if not the hottest of these past years.

[B]On a serious note, I usually get 1-2 cases each year of heritage and heritage high (never pre-sale) so it doesn't really matter to me. I love heritage. Probably my favorite Topps product[/B][/QUOTE]

The only thing that's a shame is that 1973 isn't one of my favorite sets from the era.

[QUOTE=premium1981;18455757]It takes time for the masses to catch onto trends as a whole, so let me save everyone some headaches that is reading this. Our current market is not conducive to preordering at the moment.

1) Prices are still trending down.
2) Economy is still trending down.
3) Unknown content in releases such as rookies and sps.
4) Unknown if big cards are live or redemptions.
5) How will the product break? Better or worse than anticipated?

There are other pieces to the puzzle, but right now, almost no mainstream release should be purchased ahead of time. I just don't see the upside to doing that, other than getting something on release day. Patience is rewarded in this hobby. This will probably be a decent product, but wait.[/QUOTE]

6) Topps has been printing more and more cards- including Heritage- each year. Increased supply means value per card goes down generally, but it also means that serial-numbered cards and other rare hits are harder to come by in your average box (hobby or retail). Action variations, which used to be almost one per box, are now like 3-4 per hobby case.

I just realized the OP basically just copied and pasted Brios’s first post from the ‘22 Topps Chrome thread. Well played

[QUOTE=mikejones;18455694]I think it could be one of the hottest products if not the hottest of these past years.[/QUOTE]

Lol. Heritage hasn't been hot in a decade. It gets less popular every year because the designs are boring compared to modern looking cards. It's a brand in terminal decline. The Red ROAs and Black Refractors have staying power but forget about the other stuff

[QUOTE=BBases31;18456331]Lol. Heritage hasn't been hot in a decade. It gets less popular every year because the designs are boring compared to modern looking cards. It's a brand in terminal decline. The Red ROAs and Black Refractors have staying power but forget about the other stuff[/QUOTE]

I totally agree. Heritage and heritage high has turned to sh!t. I specifically hated 2020 heritage but i like heritage and still continue to buy a case or 2 each year. Once prices reach $130-$150 then I'll be done.

[QUOTE=premium1981;18455757]It takes time for the masses to catch onto trends as a whole, so let me save everyone some headaches that is reading this. Our current market is not conducive to preordering at the moment.

[B]1) Prices are still trending down.
2) Economy is still trending down.[/B]
3) Unknown content in releases such as rookies and sps.
4) Unknown if big cards are live or redemptions.
5) How will the product break? Better or worse than anticipated?

There are other pieces to the puzzle, but right now, almost no mainstream release should be purchased ahead of time. I just don't see the upside to doing that, other than getting something on release day. Patience is rewarded in this hobby. This will probably be a decent product, but wait.[/QUOTE]


I'm not a huge predict the macro trend guy, but I am preparing for a softer than normal offseason.

Another thing to add is prices falling after release has been commonplace recently.

Another thing to add is it will be released at what is typically the seasonal market nadir for baseball.

Did this really get pushed back until the end of December?Steel city still shows Nov 9th while blowout and D&A show end of December. Geez.

[QUOTE=mikejones;18506260]Did this really get pushed back until the end of December?Steel city still shows Nov 9th while blowout and D&A show end of December. Geez.[/QUOTE]

Believe so, Beckett also has the December release date. May not be the end of December when releases but still going to be late.

[QUOTE=mikejones;18506260]Did this really get pushed back until the end of December?Steel city still shows Nov 9th while blowout and D&A show end of December. Geez.[/QUOTE]

The good thing is that there will be almost zero interest in the product when it releases - you’ll be able to get in cheap.

To bad back edges/corners are chipped based on the spring release.

Ugh, wasted year with the nice Logo bois

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Nice on card autos.

The backs of the cards look terrible with the chipping. Assuming HHN won't be any different.

[QUOTE=Frankp2311;18506506]The backs of the cards look terrible with the chipping. Assuming HHN won't be any different.[/QUOTE]

That’s the beauty of heritage - quality like the original.

Gives you the chance to enjoy the cards for what they are, and not for their role in the grading game.

Yet another reason the product stays affordable - not only do breakers, flippers, and box sitters hate it, but also grader bois.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;18506514]That’s the beauty of heritage - quality like the original.

Gives you the chance to enjoy the cards for what they are, and not for their role in the grading game.

Yet another reason the product stays affordable - not only do breakers, flippers, and box sitters hate it, but also grader bois.[/QUOTE]

Yep- I have really learned this is for those of us that like to rip and build sets. It is what it is, it fits a niche and the rare sp or hits are FUN, but not why the packs/boxes should be purchased.

[QUOTE=BBases31;18456331]Lol. Heritage hasn't been hot in a decade. It gets less popular every year because the designs are boring compared to modern looking cards. It's a brand in terminal decline. The Red ROAs and Black Refractors have staying power but forget about the other stuff[/QUOTE]

Yeah... nobody wanted 2017, 2018 or 2019. All junk. If you have any you should donate it. Vintage sucks too. Modern players on vintage cards is the worst. People hate Action variations, Refractors and the SP's. They hate them so much they buy them up immediately at stupid prices.

Checklist?

[QUOTE=speedyjg13;18507606]Checklist?[/QUOTE]


Probably around December 15th

[QUOTE=premium1981;18455757]It takes time for the masses to catch onto trends as a whole, so let me save everyone some headaches that is reading this. Our current market is not conducive to preordering at the moment.

1) Prices are still trending down.
2) Economy is still trending down.
3) Unknown content in releases such as rookies and sps.
4) Unknown if big cards are live or redemptions.
5) How will the product break? Better or worse than anticipated?

There are other pieces to the puzzle, but right now, almost no mainstream release should be purchased ahead of time. I just don't see the upside to doing that, other than getting something on release day. Patience is rewarded in this hobby. This will probably be a decent product, but wait.[/QUOTE]

All correct ^

[QUOTE=speedyjg13;18507606]Checklist?[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.cardboardconnection.com/2022-topps-heritage-high-number-baseball-cards"]https://www.cardboardconnection.com/2022-topps-heritage-high-number-baseball-cards[/URL]

No hype on this at all with hopefully all those rookies in there? Hoping for a checklist on Wednesday or sooner

We getting a checklist today, is this still to be released on the 7th.

[QUOTE=mwash1983;18568056]We getting a checklist today, is this still to be released on the 7th.[/QUOTE]

Please update when the checklist pops

Blasters live at Target, $24.99 each

[url]https://www.target.com/p/2022-topps-mlb-heritage-high-number-baseball-trading-card-blaster-box/-/A-87154242[/url]

Grabbed a couple.

Grabbed 6 because I'm a Heritage sucker. lol

Just ripped 6.... the good news: quality seems to be better than past few years as far as the backs; pujols, soto, abrams all on new teams on their cards....the bad news: these are gonna be rough... hit an Alonso venezuela stamp and a Zack Short /999 chrome and that was it outside inserts/SPs

[QUOTE=STLtoMN;18574738]Just ripped 6.... the good news: quality seems to be better than past few years as far as the backs; pujols, soto, abrams all on new teams on their cards....the bad news: these are gonna be rough... hit an Alonso venezuela stamp and a Zack Short /999 chrome and that was it outside inserts/SPs[/QUOTE]

Yes

Last 3 years. They have doubled tripled the print run

Topps has really screwed it up

Lots of greed

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;18506514]That’s the beauty of heritage - quality like the original.

Gives you the chance to enjoy the cards for what they are, and not for their role in the grading game.

Yet another reason the product stays affordable - not only do breakers, flippers, and box sitters hate it, but also grader bois.[/QUOTE]

Grown men using terms like grader bois. Bless your heart

[QUOTE=clocsta2323;18574838]Grown men using terms like grader bois. Bless your heart[/QUOTE]

Great idea though for a new thread to annoy wax haters... The official Blowout BOX SITTERS thread

I for some reason got my hobby cases super early. I'll give a rundown of odds, notes, etc in a little bit, lots to point out.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;18575621]I for some reason got my hobby cases super early. I'll give a rundown of odds, notes, etc in a little bit, lots to point out.[/QUOTE]

That would be great. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;18575621]I for some reason got my hobby cases super early. I'll give a rundown of odds, notes, etc in a little bit, lots to point out.[/QUOTE]

Looking forward to your analysis, I may decide to get a case or not based on your information.

Alright so things of note..if anyone has any further questions, let me know.

Notable pack odds, Chrome 1:54, Image Variation 1:66, Real One Blue Ink 1:79. There are no red or green chrome this time, only base, ref, silver, black, gold, super.

There are plenty of image variations with Spring Heritage numbering (Bogaerts, Rizzo, Altuve, etc etc), with rookies sprinkled in from High Number.

Chrome condition is.....not great. Had multiple purples with roller marks, including my Pena and Torkelson, from different boxes. Centering will also be an issue, plenty that were off L/R.

I had some huge hits, im assuming luck haha, but they exist.

Silver Chrome look more dark grey this time around....just an observation.

Regular cards didnt have too many issues with condition. Had a few here or there but were fine for the most part. Centering will probably be the talk once again.

6 insert sets, all 15 cards or less. I was able to make 3 masters out of 3 cases with the 3rd set only missing 3 cards.

Card 717 Josh Harrison is misspelled "Harrision" on the front and back lol

When does this release?

In case any one was wondering, chrome was 1:39 last year and actions were 1:60. Real one blue ink autos were 1:89. With a decrease in odds for blue inks, probably looking at an increased auto checklist. 60 auto subjects last year so maybe 70-75 this year?

[QUOTE=cj828282;18575712]In case any one was wondering, chrome was 1:39 last year and actions were 1:60. Real one blue ink autos were 1:89. With a decrease in odds for blue inks, probably looking at an increased auto checklist. 60 auto subjects last year so maybe 70-75 this year?[/QUOTE]

I figured it was about the same based on all the odds, with more Chrome going to retail.

Kinda hard to make a determination on the quality of any of the sets breaking blind with no checklist haha. All the major rookies have chromes though (Julio, Witt, Tork, Kwan, Pena). Idk if Suzuki does.

I just found out that last year the base chrome checklist went from 50 subjects to 100 subjects. I am guessing it is 100 this year too. Less chances to get a Julio or Witt chrome card.

[QUOTE=cj828282;18575750]I just found out that last year the base chrome checklist went from 50 subjects to 100 subjects. I am guessing it is 100 this year too. Less chances to get a Julio or Witt chrome card.[/QUOTE]

Sell sheet says 50. I only had 46 different in my 3 cases between purple etc. Honestly don't know who the other 50 would be.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;18575693]Alright so things of note..if anyone has any further questions, let me know.

Notable pack odds, Chrome 1:54, Image Variation 1:66, Real One Blue Ink 1:79. There are no red or green chrome this time, only base, ref, silver, black, gold, super.

There are plenty of image variations with Spring Heritage numbering (Bogaerts, Rizzo, Altuve, etc etc), with rookies sprinkled in from High Number.

Chrome condition is.....not great. Had multiple purples with roller marks, including my Pena and Torkelson, from different boxes. Centering will also be an issue, plenty that were off L/R.

I had some huge hits, im assuming luck haha, but they exist.

Silver Chrome look more dark grey this time around....just an observation.

Regular cards didnt have too many issues with condition. Had a few here or there but were fine for the most part. Centering will probably be the talk once again.

6 insert sets, all 15 cards or less. I was able to make 3 masters out of 3 cases with the 3rd set only missing 3 cards.

Card 717 Josh Harrison is misspelled "Harrision" on the front and back lol[/QUOTE]

How many autos per case? At least 4 or 5?

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;18575755]Sell sheet says 50. I only had 46 different in my 3 cases between purple etc. Honestly don't know who the other 50 would be.[/QUOTE]

If the checklist went back to 50, that would be great.

If there was a checklist it would address all of these questions.

[QUOTE=mikejones;18575771]How many autos per case? At least 4 or 5?[/QUOTE]

I had 13 in 3 cases, 10 Blue, 3 Red.

[QUOTE=mikejones;18575771]How many autos per case? At least 4 or 5?[/QUOTE]

24 packs per box x 12 boxes = 288 packs

1:79 packs for ROA blue ink. Doesn’t list odds for other autos but those won’t move the needle much.

288/79 = 3.7 autos per case on average. Looks like 4 on average is a best guess.

[QUOTE=dodgerfanjohn;18575876]24 packs per box x 12 boxes = 288 packs

1:79 packs for ROA blue ink. Doesn’t list odds for other autos but those won’t move the needle much.

288/79 = 3.7 autos per case on average. Looks like 4 on average is a best guess.[/QUOTE]

Red is 1:1041, gets harder from there, so yea, 4 on average seems right. In my experience, if you get an auto in the hot box it can reach 5, always seems like odds reset in the hot box.

Is topps still that lazy to have Olson have autos in high number in an A’s uni.

Were any of the autographs redemptions?

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;18577572]Were any of the autographs redemptions?[/QUOTE]

I did not have any redemptions, but I also did not hit any of the big rookies.

Saturday morning my Target had about 12 blasters on the shelf so I grabbed three. Went back today and grabbed a couple more and in this small sample size the correlation seems a bit bunched. I got triplicates of about 5 or 6 players. The two blasters that had base Julio were almost identical as far as most of my cards were the exact same in the whole blaster. The first Julio blaster had a chrome /673 and the other had a chrome to /373. Those also were the only “hits” out of the 5 blasters. I checked the box and everything else was base or sp if you can even call them a sp in this release?

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;18577673]I did not have any redemptions, but I also did not hit any of the big rookies.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info - really appreciate it!

Be nice to see a check list.

[QUOTE=MSU Bulldogs;18577919]Be nice to see a check list.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it would. Trey must not be paying his monthly bill to Topps on time.

People breaking personal cases, blasters in stores, no checklist to be found.

Weird.

[QUOTE=BigSeph;18581137]People breaking personal cases, blasters in stores, no checklist to be found.

Weird.[/QUOTE]

No clue what they are doing ?

I have always felt they don’t really care

But last year or 2. I really believe that

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;18575693]Alright so things of note..if anyone has any further questions, let me know.

Notable pack odds, Chrome 1:54, Image Variation 1:66, Real One Blue Ink 1:79. There are no red or green chrome this time, only base, ref, silver, black, gold, super.

There are plenty of image variations with Spring Heritage numbering (Bogaerts, Rizzo, Altuve, etc etc), with rookies sprinkled in from High Number.

Chrome condition is.....not great. Had multiple purples with roller marks, including my Pena and Torkelson, from different boxes. Centering will also be an issue, plenty that were off L/R.

I had some huge hits, im assuming luck haha, but they exist.

Silver Chrome look more dark grey this time around....just an observation.

Regular cards didnt have too many issues with condition. Had a few here or there but were fine for the most part. Centering will probably be the talk once again.

6 insert sets, all 15 cards or less. I was able to make 3 masters out of 3 cases with the 3rd set only missing 3 cards.

Card 717 Josh Harrison is misspelled "Harrision" on the front and back lol[/QUOTE]

Which box toppers did you pull?