First Buzz: 2024 Topps Museum Collection baseball cards
 

First Buzz: 2024 Topps Museum Collection baseball cards >> [URL="https://www.blowoutcards.com/blog/first-buzz-2024-topps-museum-collection-baseball-cards"][B]BlowoutBuzz.com[/B][/URL]


[IMG]https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-topps-museum-collection-MLB-PM-1.png[/IMG]

I've always dreamed of a baseball card with hardwood floors and recessed lights.

Will there be another hike in price vs 2023 for this buzz?

Weak checklist with weak sticker autos

[QUOTE=DarcyWinston;19531901]Will there be another hike in price vs 2023 for this buzz?[/QUOTE]

Montgomery Club preorder was $389. Disgusting

Who's opening this at $450 per? Still on topps site for $399. After taxes, probably comes out to $450.

Should include a pack of lube with each box.

Museum was a traditional spring time beatdown at $200, now it's just ridiculous. Hope those Silver ink autos look better in person than on the previews

Didn’t topps gold label kill off this product by providing framed cards as well?

Must be a breaker thang.

5000 case.

My god .. just set 3800 dollars on fire and save yourself the trouble

[QUOTE=AwesomeBrian;19560586]Museum was a traditional spring time beatdown at $200, now it's just ridiculous. Hope those Silver ink autos look better in person than on the previews[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. Was always a terrible break.

And most of the time when you hit the booklet or framed case hit auto, it was still a loss lol

Here are some of the sketchagraph cards I created for pack-insertion.

Turned on a break to see what they looked like. First two autos were Cecil fielder and Bert blyleven. Turned it off. Yikes.

440 for 1 on card auto and 3 20 dollar relic cards is hefty

[QUOTE=barry6124;19560717]440 for 1 on card auto and 3 20 dollar relic cards is hefty[/QUOTE]

$20? If numbered to 25 or less maybe,

That was only 2X. We still have 8 more X to go.

Never understood how this product is so expensive and a top tier set


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Are the "Museum Memorabilia " inserts 1/1 cards?

[QUOTE=DylanPowers92;19560859]Never understood how this product is so expensive and a top tier set


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]

I wouldn’t consider it top tier. Dynasty, Definitive Collection, Diamond Icons, etc. are top tier. I’d say Museum Collection is in the upper middle class alongside Five Star, Tier One, etc.

[QUOTE=DylanPowers92;19560859]Never understood how this product is so expensive and a top tier set


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]

It’s a breaker product.

$15-$20 for a random team.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19561079]It’s a breaker product.

$15-$20 for a random team.[/QUOTE]

For one box that’s still horrible value.

[QUOTE=Noles939913;19561108]For one box that’s still horrible value.[/QUOTE]

One guy will hit a $150 card and make 10x!

LET’S GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!













Never mind the other 29 guys who lose money on the break.

[QUOTE=Noles939913;19561108]For one box that’s still horrible value.[/QUOTE]

He says this for every product that comes out and it’s not a breaker product, at least it didn’t used to be, especially in football.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561126]He says this for every product that comes out and it’s not a breaker product, at least it didn’t used to be, especially in football.[/QUOTE]

I think in this specific instance he might not be wrong (though I too have seen this refrain from him before).

In the case breaks I've watched this has definitely become a breakers product with the price jump, which is a shame. Anyone opening this personally would be taking a bloodbath.

I hope Fanatics realizes they are turning some people away with this pricing.

I do pretty well for myself, but I don't want to watch someone else open my boxes online...I also recognize gouging when I see it..I regretfully opened some things over the past year that I just refuse to do anymore. I got lucky on a Dynasty case last year (hit a Gunnar, and got a good price slightly over cost on the case), but that was a 1-in-10 case that I got lucky on...

Museum is a $250-275/box product that they are charging double for, I cannot support that. Good for the breakers and that culture I suppose, but I think Topps will be losing some folks (like myself) who have disposable income that are smart enough to back away..I took a little longer to do it due to my love of the hobby, but "enough is enough".

I've been buying singles over the past few months and that is working out..I'll miss the "thrill" of opening packs, but this is just too much.

[QUOTE=Noles939913;19561074]I wouldn’t consider it top tier. Dynasty, Definitive Collection, Diamond Icons, etc. are top tier. I’d say Museum Collection is in the upper middle class alongside Five Star, Tier One, etc.[/QUOTE]

Only Dynasty is top tier. Definitive Collection and Diamond Cuts are unnecessary new products. They are just like Tier One and Museum Collection.

[QUOTE=Mattsurewood;19561241]I hope Fanatics realizes they are turning some people away with this pricing.

I do pretty well for myself, but I don't want to watch someone else open my boxes online...I also recognize gouging when I see it..I regretfully opened some things over the past year that I just refuse to do anymore. I got lucky on a Dynasty case last year (hit a Gunnar, and got a good price slightly over cost on the case), but that was a 1-in-10 case that I got lucky on...

Museum is a $250-275/box product that they are charging double for, I cannot support that. Good for the breakers and that culture I suppose, but I think Topps will be losing some folks (like myself) who have disposable income that are smart enough to back away..I took a little longer to do it due to my love of the hobby, but "enough is enough".

I've been buying singles over the past few months and that is working out..I'll miss the "thrill" of opening packs, but this is just too much.[/QUOTE]


You haven't walked away. You are part of the new card eco system. The breakers buy the products for inflated prices and that gets all the singles into the market. The former box buyers are now responsible for consuming the massive volume of singles those who buy breaks are putting on eBay to afford more breaks. It's a good system for the breakers, card companies, and singles buyers.

[QUOTE=jduds;19561287]You haven't walked away. You are part of the new card eco system. The breakers buy the products for inflated prices and that gets all the singles into the market. The former box buyers are now responsible for consuming the massive volume of singles those who buy breaks are putting on eBay to afford more breaks. It's a good system for the breakers, card companies, and singles buyers.[/QUOTE]

Its still a flawed system for the people that buy into breaks. Its also way better for the person who buys singles. The gap between unopened product and breaks pricing and the singles market seems to widen all the time. The ROI for people to resell there cards they get in breaks is crap. Slot machines are a better investment. There has to be a bursting of the bubble sometime I would think but maybe it just carries on like this for a long while.

Most of the dollars being spent on current year singles are just as bad as those being spent on breaks.

[QUOTE=speedyjg13;19561257]Only Dynasty is top tier. Definitive Collection and Diamond Cuts are unnecessary new products. They are just like Tier One and Museum Collection.[/QUOTE]

Never heard of Diamond Cuts but Definitive Collection and Diamond Icons certainly aren’t new. They debuted in 2015 and 2017 respectively. They also cost much more than Museum Collection and Tier One and don’t have sticker autos like those two products do. Youre also unlikely to find any Cecil Fielder or Tim Lincecum autos in Definitive Collection or Diamond Icons. So I’d say you’re wrong…on pretty much every account.

[QUOTE=jduds;19561287]You haven't walked away. You are part of the new card eco system. The breakers buy the products for inflated prices and that gets all the singles into the market. The former box buyers are now responsible for consuming the massive volume of singles those who buy breaks are putting on eBay to afford more breaks. It's a good system for the breakers, card companies, and singles buyers.[/QUOTE]

Good point--well taken--I also have enjoyed the control of deciding what to get, it's actually been a bit refreshing as a new singles buyer.

I bought a few nice Wembanyama Rookie cards with the $$ I would have dumped into Topps Chrome Baseball this year..

[QUOTE=FatButcher;19561230]I think in this specific instance he might not be wrong (though I too have seen this refrain from him before).

In the case breaks I've watched this has definitely become a breakers product with the price jump, which is a shame. Anyone opening this personally would be taking a bloodbath.[/QUOTE]

Nowadays, opening a box yourself is equivalent to paying for all 30 spots at a breaker price, ie, grossly overpaying just to enjoy opening a box yourself.

This is what the breaking culture has done to individuals who like to open wax themselves - they have made it cost prohibitive for every individual and fanatics has fed into that.

It’s so bad even box flipper bois can no longer make a quick profit.

Museum Collection was a great release when it first came out in 2012, but it slowly went downhill with each subsequent release. The more recent designs (2019-present) are too focused on dark colors and foil printing. Just not attractive IMO

Looks like case breaks aren't filling so breakers are doing half case breaks or filler breaks to fill. You know what's worst than buying into a museum break? The ones that are buying into a 1 box blaster break to get into a museum break. 🤷

[QUOTE=ScooterD;19561355]Museum Collection was a great release when it first came out in 2012, but it slowly went downhill with each subsequent release. The more recent designs (2019-present) are too focused on dark colors and foil printing. Just not attractive IMO[/QUOTE]

Instead of giving each product a name that nobody knows what it is anymore, they should just number them. 2024 Topps random autos sucker product #27

[QUOTE=Noles939913;19561333]Never heard of Diamond Cuts but Definitive Collection and Diamond Icons certainly aren’t new. They debuted in 2015 and 2017 respectively. They also cost much more than Museum Collection and Tier One and don’t have sticker autos like those two products do. [B]Youre also unlikely to find any Cecil Fielder or Tim Lincecum autos in Definitive Collection or Diamond Icons.[/B] So I’d say you’re wrong…on pretty much every account.[/QUOTE]

As a Cecil Fielder supercollector, you are most definitely wrong. He is my favorite player and I don't even think he should be in a product with that kind of price tag...:cry:

2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Gold Autograph #1/1
2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Red Autograph #2/5
2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Purple Autograph #10/10
2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Autograph #23/25

[IMG]https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/922/zJgFfb.jpg[/IMG]

I entered a case break only because they were giving away topps national packs as part of it. Wound up with 2 national packs, 2 sonny gray autos, a nootbaar auto, some relic cards, and a pete alonso 1/1 emerald relic for $300. Will be my only one, quit while ahead.

[QUOTE=bd3d86;19561386]As a Cecil Fielder supercollector, you are most definitely wrong. He is my favorite player and I don't even think he should be in a product with that kind of price tag...:cry:

2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Gold Autograph #1/1
2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Red Autograph #2/5
2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Purple Autograph #10/10
2021 Topps Diamond Icons Silver Ink Autograph #23/25

[IMG]https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/922/zJgFfb.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I stand corrected on Fielder. :)! The rest of the post still holds true though.

[QUOTE=Noles939913;19561074]I wouldn’t consider it top tier. Dynasty, Definitive Collection, Diamond Icons, etc. are top tier. I’d say Museum Collection is in the upper middle class alongside Five Star, Tier One, etc.[/QUOTE]

The bigger problem is that there are too many similar high-end products being released.

You could get rid of every high-end product besides Museum and nobody would blink an eye.....

I thought Museum was outrageous in 2012 when it was $199. Pretty cards though.

i bought a montgomery membership this year....the musuems were listed for 399 per box...is that right? saw a post for 389, so i'm wondering if i got jobbed.

[QUOTE=FatButcher;19561230]I think in this specific instance he might not be wrong (though I too have seen this refrain from him before).

In the case breaks I've watched this has definitely become a breakers product with the price jump, which is a shame. Anyone opening this personally would be taking a bloodbath.[/QUOTE]

In reality, at the current prices, everything except for low-end product could be considered breaker product. Are the prices out of control? Absolutely, but it’s not because of just one thing.

[QUOTE=mfw13;19561463]The bigger problem is that there are too many similar high-end products being released.

You could get rid of every high-end product besides Museum and nobody would blink an eye.....[/QUOTE]

I've made similar complaints in the past but I'm starting to think this might not be a bad thing. If these products had more demand, they'd be even more expensive. The breakers need a certain number of products a month and not all of them can be "the" big premium set everyone is changing. Topps has to be able to sell the middle of the road products as it just isn't possible to make as many distinctive products as is needed to keep the breaking machine running. It's a bad thing if one is interested in Juan Soto autos increasing in value or if one wants to chase Juan Soto autos in boxes or breaks, but if one just wants to buy cool Juan Soto autos more affordably it's not a bad system at all to have a steady influx of supply to eBay.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561517]In reality, at the current prices, everything except for low-end product could be considered breaker product. Are the prices out of control? Absolutely, but it’s not because of just one thing.[/QUOTE]

However, it is the main thing.

[QUOTE=Mattsurewood;19561241]I hope Fanatics realizes they are turning some people away with this pricing.

I do pretty well for myself, but I don't want to watch someone else open my boxes online...I also recognize gouging when I see it..I regretfully opened some things over the past year that I just refuse to do anymore.[/QUOTE]

Same, I'll open a blaster of a product I like, such as chrome, just to check out the cards and get the "fix", but that's it.

IMO having 1 company own a MLB license is a huge part of the problem, that's not market-tied. MLB can't possibly be making enough money off this for it to really matter and should care more about making cards more affordable/available for fans and kids and should hand out another license. At the end of the day it REALLY doesn't matter as a collector, but it makes it slightly less fun to not even be able to justify buying a box of something outside of Series1/2/update

Sold out
 

All gone. Does that matter to anyone?

[QUOTE=timber63401;19561315]Its still a flawed system for the people that buy into breaks. Its also way better for the person who buys singles. [/QUOTE]
You are 100% correct, wish I would be able to buy singles, trying to sell too many myself. :-)

[QUOTE=Cfioren317;19561677]All gone. Does that matter to anyone?[/QUOTE]

It matters to Fanatics. They know they can keep ignoring people who claim they’re charging too much.

Glad to see others share my thoughts on Museum. Checking out the sold listings on eBay, you'd be lucky to make $200 back, with a nice auto and maybe a Skenes or Elly RC. But $400, no way. You'd have to pull a 1/1 to make ROI on $400.

[QUOTE=jduds;19561535]I've made similar complaints in the past but I'm starting to think this might not be a bad thing. If these products had more demand, they'd be even more expensive. The breakers need a certain number of products a month and not all of them can be "the" big premium set everyone is changing. Topps has to be able to sell the middle of the road products as it just isn't possible to make as many distinctive products as is needed to keep the breaking machine running. It's a bad thing if one is interested in Juan Soto autos increasing in value or if one wants to chase Juan Soto autos in boxes or breaks, but if one just wants to buy cool Juan Soto autos more affordably it's not a bad system at all to have a steady influx of supply to eBay.[/QUOTE]

It would be nice if they at least distinguished the brands some more. Right now they all feel like exactly the same thing with similar auto checklists.

who are the crackheads paying $450 for a box of museum collection?

[QUOTE=boxbuster7;19561768]who are the crackheads paying $450 for a box of museum collection?[/QUOTE]

Breakers. They can sell the individual player spots for well over $450.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19561584]However, it is the main thing.[/QUOTE]

This may be true but then why have these crazy prices only been for the past 3-4 years?

[QUOTE=Schroeder;19561706]Glad to see others share my thoughts on Museum. Checking out the sold listings on eBay, you'd be lucky to make $200 back, with a nice auto and maybe a Skenes or Elly RC. But $400, no way. You'd have to pull a 1/1 to make ROI on $400.[/QUOTE]

ROI is irrelevant, individuals opening boxes aren’t doing it for investment purposes.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561787]This may be true but then why have these crazy prices only been for the past 3-4 years?[/QUOTE]

Trillions of dollars in stimis. People had too much extra cash to blow and breaks are addicting.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19561791]Trillions of dollars in stimis. People had too much extra cash to blow and breaks are addicting.[/QUOTE]

How much did each individual person get?

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561790]ROI is irrelevant, individuals opening boxes aren’t doing it for investment purposes.[/QUOTE]
So what are people who open Museum doing it for?

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;19561799]How much did each individual person get?[/QUOTE]

Enough to drive up the price of wax, of course!

I have a local Store who does breaks every night. I love going there on the weekends because the Gamblers (breakers) do not even want their hits unless it's a $50 plus card. So they sell back the stuff to the LCS for Breaker Credit and they just gamble more.

The LCS sells the stuff cheap, I picked up the 2024 Topps chrome RCs, refractors non numbers at a good price, and the Tier one relics that no one wanted for $3-$8 bucks. Got Soto, Piazza, Frank Thomas, etc relics for nothing

I love watching the breaks hoping the Addicts (Breakers) does not want the cards and just wants credit, so the LCS can sell it. Lol

[QUOTE=Cfioren317;19561677]All gone. Does that matter to anyone?[/QUOTE]

Also if you have ever worked in an industry with varying levels of demand for different products from a manufacturer... you aren't getting the Class A product without buying their dogshit C product. So I'm guessing lots of breakers have to buy Museum and others just to get access to the quality stuff like chrome and draft and just try to make as much as they can.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19561802]Enough to drive up the price of wax, of course![/QUOTE]

Hmm….

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19561800]So what are people who open Museum doing it for?[/QUOTE]

I'm betting there aren't many and either they are ripping for fun and have enough cash not to care, are doing it out of habit, or are new and haven't had a horrible $400 rip yet.

[QUOTE=barry6124;19561808]Also if you have ever worked in an industry with varying levels of demand for different products from a manufacturer... you aren't getting the Class A product without buying their dogshit C product. So I'm guessing lots of breakers have to buy Museum and others just to get access to the quality stuff like chrome and draft and just try to make as much as they can.[/QUOTE]

I believe breakers and hobby shops have to buy a certain amount of garbage to get the good stuff.

[QUOTE=jduds;19561810]I'm betting there aren't many and either they are ripping for fun and have enough cash not to care, are doing it out of habit, or are new and haven't had a horrible $400 rip yet.[/QUOTE]
Who rips Museum for fun though? It’s a terrible product at any price point. Who enjoys this stuff? Who collects it? This is what continues to baffle me. 25 years ago, the lesser products were at least appropriately priced.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19561791]Trillions of dollars in stimis. People had too much extra cash to blow and breaks are addicting.[/QUOTE]

So more so due to the stimulus than the breaking itself.

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;19561809]Hmm….[/QUOTE]

It’s complicated, but essentially the breakers and fantastics have fed off the profits from their Johns.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19561800]So what are people who open Museum doing it for?[/QUOTE]

Do you honestly think people are opening the product thinking they have a better than 50/50 odds to make a return? Come on now…

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19561814]Who rips Museum for fun though? It’s a terrible product at any price point. Who enjoys this stuff? Who collects it? This is what continues to baffle me. 25 years ago, the lesser products were at least appropriately priced.[/QUOTE]

A lot of people like Museum.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561815]So more so due to the stimulus than the breaking itself.[/QUOTE]

A one time stimulus isn’t going to perpetuate breaking funds. However, the people with expendable income turned their stimis into more expendable income and have been using it to support the breaking industry, which ENABLED fanatics to increase prices to the highest bidders, the breaking culture.

It’s actually quite complicated but at the same time very straightforward.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561821]A lot of people like Museum.[/QUOTE]

No. Not possible.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561821]A lot of people like Museum.[/QUOTE]
Prove it.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;19561818]Do you honestly think people are opening the product thinking they have a better than 50/50 odds to make a return? Come on now…[/QUOTE]

The Local shop i go to who does Daily breaks have like 15 regulars, half are local who love going to the Indian Casinos. Usually they get like 3-4 new guys who "discovered" sports cards and will just use their gambling money on cards for months.

Their excuse, well I can take stuff home and get a chance at something good rather then driving to the Casino and maybe lose it all. And for some reason all these new guys are grading experts. This is Fanatics New customer base.

[QUOTE=jjcan;19561829]The Local shop i go to who does Daily breaks have like 15 regulars, half are local who love going to the Indian Casinos. Usually they get like 3-4 new guys who "discovered" sports cards and will just use their gambling money on cards for months.

Their excuse, well I can take stuff home and get a chance at something good rather then driving to the Casino and maybe lose it all. And for some reason all these new guys are grading experts. This is Fanatics New customer base.[/QUOTE]

Haha, that’s funny to hear.

Many of the “whales” at my local shop are drug dealers, poker players and guys who deal with illegal car parts.

what shop?

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19561828]Prove it.[/QUOTE]

What a stupid comment, prove they don’t…see I can do it too.