Guardians reliever Emmanuel Clase placed on paid leave amid MLB's sports betting inve
 

Guardians reliever Emmanuel Clase placed on paid leave amid MLB's sports betting investigation

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/guardians-reliever-emmanuel-clase-placed-on-paid-leave-amid-mlbs-sports-betting-investigation/"]https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/guardians-reliever-emmanuel-clase-placed-on-paid-leave-amid-mlbs-sports-betting-investigation/[/URL]

These guys are idiots.

wow...out for a month

Won't be the last...it's too prevalent now.

[QUOTE=NYRE2PECT;19974010]Won't be the last...it's too prevalent now.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure it's any different than it was before.

The difference is they're able to track trends and data with legalized betting, compared to having to do undercover stings with your local bookie...

RIP my fantasy team.

Not to defend him as I didnt read the information.

I do feel bad that they can be suspended for betting on other sports if they use the apps at the team location. I dont think they should be suspended in those instances, but I also have no problem with a clear hard line.

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19974021]I'm not sure it's any different than it was before.

The difference is they're able to track trends and data with legalized betting, compared to having to do undercover stings with your local bookie...[/QUOTE]

Actually it is because now there's instant betting / prop bets on next pitches. Previously there was a several hour delay between bet and result. Nobody was taking action that so and so would throw certain pitches.

The spotlight is going to be on all these dumb prop bets. Could you imagine an organized gambling ring take advantage of this? There is so much they can conspire to do to shift Division races or series if the MLB is just arbitrarily suspending players based on prop bets.They can get into players inner circles(friends or family members) by slyly recruiting them. Yes, that's some Hollywood sh*t but they got some smart people.

Silly.

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;19974038]The spotlight is going to be on all these dumb prop bets. Could you imagine an organized gambling ring take advantage of this? There is so much they can conspire to do to shift Division races or series if the MLB is just arbitrarily suspending players based on prop bets.They can get into players inner circles(friends or family members) by slyly recruiting them. Yes, that's some Hollywood sh*t but they got some smart people.[/QUOTE]

The legal ones already take advantage of them. They have a huge vig on prop aka sucker bets.

I bet this was from 2023 when I drafted him in the fourth round and he SUCKED to start the season, and I ended up dropping him in June and then he was NASTY for the rest of the year.

More information on ESPN's article. The Guardians don't expect anyone else to be impacted. :D

[URL="https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45843304/sources-guardians-emmanuel-clase-leave-gambling-probe"]https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45843304/sources-guardians-emmanuel-clase-leave-gambling-probe[/URL]

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;19974038][B]The spotlight is going to be on all these dumb prop bets.[/B] Could you imagine an organized gambling ring take advantage of this? There is so much they can conspire to do to shift Division races or series if the MLB is just arbitrarily suspending players based on prop bets.They can get into players inner circles(friends or family members) by slyly recruiting them. Yes, that's some Hollywood sh*t but they got some smart people.[/QUOTE]

All these dumb prop bets used to have a very low limits. Why legalized books wouldn't have low limits in place for this stuff makes no sense. It should basically be irrelevant if it's fixed or not when the most you can win is a few hundred bucks. Anything that you could get inside info on, wrestling, award shows, whats happening in a movie or tv show, bizarre props, props on non elite players, etc. Most of those were capped at $50-$100. It's been so long but when they used to allow you to bet in football what the next play would be run or pass again something with a very low limit. Even when I wanted to bet Kobe's points in his last game I don't think you could bet anything more than a few hundred bucks. Why these books would be dumb enough to take thousands of dollars of wagers from one person on a next pitch or some type of pitcher prop is just stupid.

Am I the only one that doesn't care if gamblers get cheated?

[QUOTE=SaveMeTheGum;19974138]Am I the only one that doesn't care if gamblers get cheated?[/QUOTE]

I don't think the concern is that gamblers get cheated. It's that players are fixing the outcomes of games.

The leagues are actively promoting in game wagering, what did they think would happen.

[QUOTE=Soxrule111;19974026]Not to defend him as I didnt read the information.

I do feel bad that they can be suspended for betting on other sports if they use the apps at the team location. I dont think they should be suspended in those instances, but I also have no problem with a clear hard line.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that ANY type of gambling debt make you vulnerable.....doesn't make a difference what sport the debt is from.

If player A loses 100K betting on the NFL, and his bookie says that he will clear the debt if the player hits the batter with the first pitch he throws or if he attempts to bunt on the first pitch he sees as a hitter, then the player has negatively impacted the integrity of the game.

[QUOTE=JRX;19974167]The leagues are actively promoting in game wagering, what did they think would happen.[/QUOTE]

Certainly not that a 20 million dollar closer would need to bet in-game to help himself or a friend.

I don’t believe it. He doesn’t even play for the Browns

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19974198]Certainly not that a 20 million dollar closer would need to bet in-game to help himself or a friend.[/QUOTE]People don't only do bad things if they are poor or need money.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19974198]Certainly not that a 20 million dollar closer would need to bet in-game to help himself or a friend.[/QUOTE]

He's not making 20M

Of course this is how the Yankees got to the WS FINALLY. Clase serving em up ��������

What if pro athletes are participating in card breaks? Is that considered gambling in the eyes of leagues yet?

[QUOTE=JRX;19974205]He's not making 20M[/QUOTE]

Emmanuel Clase signed a five-year, $20,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Guardians on April 2, 2022, which included a $2,000,000 signing bonus.

Not that it even matters. They promote alcohol at games too but we aren't worried about closers showing up drunk in the 9th inning. It's such a poor excuse to use.

[QUOTE=Promethius88;19974209]What if pro athletes are participating in card breaks? Is that considered gambling in the eyes of leagues yet?[/QUOTE]

of course not

card breaks don't do anything to affect the integrity of the game

but when gamblers tell you to do something, and you intentionally do that thing, that's really bad

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19974143]I don't think the concern is that gamblers get cheated. It's that players are fixing the outcomes of games.[/QUOTE]

What did they think was going to happen when they got in bed with gambling.

CTRL-F 'interpreter'

0 results found

You guys are slipping, I'm very disappointed.

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19973979]These guys are idiots.[/QUOTE]


he should have just hired an interpreter to do it like Ohtani did

[QUOTE=SaveMeTheGum;19974278]What did they think was going to happen when they got in bed with gambling.[/QUOTE]

You clearly have a problem with gambling, but none of that excuses paid professionals from not acting like paid professionals. If I use my company credit card to book a vacation for myself, I'm not gonna go to my employer and say "What did you think was going to happen if you gave me a credit card?" There is no excuse. His job is still the same even if Bob in Row T is now allowed to bet on him.

[QUOTE=duwal;19974298]he should have just hired an interpreter to do it like Ohtani did[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://i0.wp.com/allthecubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/thank-you-gif-the-office-steve-carell.gif?fit=443%2C250&ssl=1[/IMG]

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19974302]You clearly have a problem with gambling, but none of that excuses paid professionals from not acting like paid professionals. If I use my company credit card to book a vacation for myself, I'm not gonna go to my employer and say "What did you think was going to happen if you gave me a credit card?" There is no excuse. His job is still the same even if Bob in Row T is now allowed to bet on him.[/QUOTE]

This

Gambling is awesome. I will bet some more tonight

Think it through though

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19974302]You clearly have a problem with gambling, but none of that excuses paid professionals from not acting like paid professionals. If I use my company credit card to book a vacation for myself, I'm not gonna go to my employer and say "What did you think was going to happen if you gave me a credit card?" There is no excuse. His job is still the same even if Bob in Row T is now allowed to bet on him.[/QUOTE]

Right, if we took away everything that someone out there can abuse, then nothing fun would be left. At some point people need to be adults who would actually think through risking a multi-million dollar contract on something stupid.

I'm assuming they will lower the limits on the live simple outcome stuff so that it won't be an attractive option anymore.

Just the beginning, blame Manfred who wants to make money from the sports betting garbage, this is going to be the steroid era part 2 with the players/umpires who will be indicted or suspected and eventually they will ban sports betting when they realize the fans are staying away because it is to tainted, but for now they are going to make their money

[QUOTE=K111;19974331]Just the beginning, blame Manfred who wants to make money from the sports betting garbage, this is going to be the steroid era part 2 with the players/umpires who will be indicted or suspected and eventually they will ban sports betting when they realize the fans are staying away because it is to tainted, but for now they are going to make their money[/QUOTE]

I don't think they will ever go that far, they may ban in game wagering. According to some people on this board, all these people must be losers.

[url]https://www.usnews.com/banking/articles/2025-sports-betting-and-debt-survey[/url]

[QUOTE=K111;19974331]Just the beginning, blame Manfred who wants to make money from the sports betting garbage, this is going to be the steroid era part 2 with the players/umpires who will be indicted or suspected and eventually they will ban sports betting when they realize the fans are staying away because it is to tainted, but for now they are going to make their money[/QUOTE]

This is so stupid

Every league is exactly the same. Don’t be a child

Gambling will be here forever. Forever. Did you hear me in the back? Forever

Players just need to keep their act together

Really bad look for Clase and CLE, and baseball as a whole. Wonder how many more people are going to get wrapped up in this, this specific case or just in general in th efuture

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19974338]Really bad look for Clase and CLE, and baseball as a whole. Wonder how many more people are going to get wrapped up in this, this specific case or just in general in th efuture[/QUOTE]

What does this have to do with Cleveland exactly?

I mean this is the second player on their team that has been placed on leave for this? Doesn't make you wonder just a little bit?

[QUOTE=asujbl;19974341]What does this have to do with Cleveland exactly?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19974354]I mean this is the second player on their team that has been placed on leave for this? Doesn't make you wonder just a little bit?[/QUOTE]

Not even a little bit

I worry more about the Dominican Republic

What a strange thing to say

[QUOTE=asujbl;19974358]Not even a little bit

I worry more about the Dominican Republic[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19974359]What a strange thing to say[/QUOTE]

Why would you say that?

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19974359]What a strange thing to say[/QUOTE]

Both pitchers are from the DR

I’d be more interested in what might happening at home then what is happening in Cleveland

You can’t grasp that?

Might as well just start a thread tracking all players busted across all sports. This one was so intentional it’s hilarious but in his defense he did apparently bet on his team to beat the spread:

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Nbamemes/comments/1lnwhys/malik_beasley_going_coasttocoast_with_5_seconds/[/url]

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19974198]Certainly not that a 20 million dollar closer would need to bet in-game to help himself or a friend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JRX;19974205]He's not making 20M[/QUOTE]


I'm more interested in if he rents or owns.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19974302]You clearly have a problem with gambling, but none of that excuses paid professionals from not acting like paid professionals. If I use my company credit card to book a vacation for myself, I'm not gonna go to my employer and say "What did you think was going to happen if you gave me a credit card?" There is no excuse. His job is still the same even if Bob in Row T is now allowed to bet on him.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I say this as someone who does zero sports betting.

[QUOTE=PuddleMonkey;19974679]I'm more interested in if he rents or owns.[/QUOTE]

Clearly he's a home owner. If he got caught gambling hes not smart enough to know its better to rent than purchase a home.

[QUOTE=JRX;19974036]Actually it is because now there's instant betting / prop bets on next pitches. [B]Previously there was a several hour delay between bet and result.[/B] Nobody was taking action that so and so would throw certain pitches.[/QUOTE]

lol. live betting has existed since the internet.

action on a single pitch has nothing to do with what you're saying. these schemes are planned way in advance, not in real time. it's not like the pitcher has a phone in his pocket texting his friend to bet the pitch as it's being delivered.

as a previous poster already stated, the problem has always existed and now it's getting exposed simply because sites track it. match fixing has always existed and this is no different.

Ortiz & Clase are likely going to be banned for life.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19974359]What a strange thing to say[/QUOTE]

agreed totally weird thing to say. wtf?

pretty racist imo

MLB already made an example out of Tucupita Marcano. what these guys did is egregiously worse than just betting on games.

they are T O A S T

[QUOTE=asujbl;19974364]Both pitchers are from the DR

I’d be more interested in what might happening at home then what is happening in Cleveland

You can’t grasp that?[/QUOTE]

He may have grasped it if your first post was this explanation instead a vague allusion

It's just shocking...SHOCKING that after pro sports leagues like MLB openly embraced sports betting and happily took their money (see all the FanDuel/Draft Kings/other casinos/betting app ads and real-time money lines/odds mentioned on broadcasts by announcers, billboards at ballparks, etc etc), these leagues now have problems with their players engaging in sports betting. Who could have seen this coming?

I'm not even mentioning the part about fans openly criticizing players for "ruining" their parlays to the point of sending death threats.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19974143]I don't think the concern is that gamblers get cheated. It's that players are fixing the outcomes of games.[/QUOTE]

I can’t understand how people continue to overlook this and bring up sign stealing and steroids like they’re comparable.

Did prop betting exist when Angel was an umpire?

Who got to the umpire in the Orioles - Blue Jays game last night that made him call a pitch right down the middle of the plate a ball? :coffee:

After his previous bad call that ended the Diamondbacks game, I'd have bet on him making more.

I was thinking MLB would do that in the "beat the streak" game
Guy picks player x to get a hit in 50th game streak,
MLB says to player x, don't get a hit today..
Streak ends

[QUOTE=PuddleMonkey;19974679]I'm more interested in if he rents or owns.[/QUOTE]

Obviously he rents. Only poor people buy homes. :rolleyes:

Did the first Cleveland pitcher’s case get resolved yet?

[QUOTE=base set;19974942]Did the first Cleveland pitcher’s case get resolved yet?[/QUOTE]

Not according to the ESPN article. He's still on non-disciplinary paid leave after originally being placed there July 3.

[QUOTE=BoSoxFan1999;19974795]It's just shocking...SHOCKING that after pro sports leagues like MLB openly embraced sports betting and happily took their money (see all the FanDuel/Draft Kings/other casinos/betting app ads and real-time money lines/odds mentioned on broadcasts by announcers, billboards at ballparks, etc etc), these leagues now have problems with their players engaging in sports betting. Who could have seen this coming?

I'm not even mentioning the part about fans openly criticizing players for "ruining" their parlays to the point of sending death threats.[/QUOTE]

When you are faced with:
Lifetime banishment
Voided contract
Loss of work visa
Deportation
Felony wire fraud
Prison time

Yeah, it actually is pretty shocking that the MLB would have problems with their players betting on baseball.

Ideally, Clase will have a translator who will take the fall for him.

[QUOTE=BoSoxFan1999;19974795]It's just shocking...SHOCKING that after pro sports leagues like MLB openly embraced sports betting and happily took their money (see all the FanDuel/Draft Kings/other casinos/betting app ads and real-time money lines/odds mentioned on broadcasts by announcers, billboards at ballparks, etc etc), these leagues now have problems with their players engaging in sports betting. Who could have seen this coming?

I'm not even mentioning the part about fans openly criticizing players for "ruining" their parlays to the point of sending death threats.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It's hypocrisy at it's finest. If you're going to allow bets on something as insignificant as a first pitch strike/ball, which incidentally could also be affected by a dirty ump, this is what you get. And what kind of degenerate is betting on that anyways?

There's a reason why sports betting was illegal for so long. Not because a fantasy baseball league or superbowl squares are bad for sports, but because the more money that gets into something, the more fraud and corruption follows. Illegitimacy of sport is an inevitable result of legal gambling. As are the death threats by losers who lost their rent money.

You literally can't watch 5 mins of a sporting event without a gambling ad, or odds given. Whose money do you think these gambling companies are using to pay for all that advertising lol.

[QUOTE=LondonGames;19974710]MLB already made an example out of Tucupita Marcano. what these guys did is egregiously worse than just betting on games.

they are T O A S T[/QUOTE]

Do we even know what Clase did in terms of specifics? Ortiz they haven't done anything with and it's been almost a month. If these were open and shut cases why haven't they been shut?

If there is no more evidence against Ortiz besides for those 2 pitches I don't see how he doesn't get off. 2 different 1 pitch circumstances could easily be a coincidence.

If these books weren't stupid, 2 1 pitch situations should mean 0% to their bottom line anyway. Those bets should have been capped at $50-$100 max.

Regardless, a guy throwing 2 random intentional balls over a 162 game season isn't exactly Tim Donaghy. If that's really all Ortiz did even if he is guilty I blame the books as much as the player. These types of bets were capped very low for years. No idea why any book wouldn't have them set low now.

[QUOTE=mossoholic;19975295]Do we even know what Clase did in terms of specifics? Ortiz they haven't done anything with and it's been almost a month. If these were open and shut cases why haven't they been shut?

If there is no more evidence against Ortiz besides for those 2 pitches I don't see how he doesn't get off. 2 different 1 pitch circumstances could easily be a coincidence.

If these books weren't stupid, 2 1 pitch situations should mean 0% to their bottom line anyway. Those bets should have been capped at $50-$100 max.

Regardless, a guy throwing 2 random intentional balls over a 162 game season isn't exactly Tim Donaghy. If that's really all Ortiz did even if he is guilty I blame the books as much as the player. These types of bets were capped very low for years. No idea why any book wouldn't have them set low now.[/QUOTE]

Jontay Porter was an open and shut case, and it still took 3 months. Which is actually pretty quick when you consider how long federal cases typically take.

Porter's actions were also directly related to two games. Two pitches, two games, it really doesn't take much.

2 pitches won't be the only evidence. You need proof of identity to bet, so presumably the feds are already talking to those whose bets were flagged. They'll find the link.

Am I the only one here who thinks it’s hilarious that the only way the Yankees could get to the World Series was by inadvertent cheating? When the knowingly tried in 2016, they couldn’t. Congrats Yankees fans LMAO.

Also, I’d be furious if I were an Indians fan.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19975313]Jontay Porter was an open and shut case, and it still took 3 months. Which is actually pretty quick when you consider how long federal cases typically take.

Porter's actions were also directly related to two games. Two pitches, two games, it really doesn't take much.

2 pitches won't be the only evidence. You need proof of identity to bet, so presumably the feds are already talking to those whose bets were flagged. They'll find the link.[/QUOTE]

Correct. Jontay was using accounts that had direct connection to him. Even then all bases still needed to be covered, lawyers needed to voice all their arguments, etc etc. Here, it's likely that these accounts that made the bets weren't directly linked to the players involved.

The investigation should take a while. 1 pitch is all that is necessary for the scam. The evidence then not only needs to be compiled, but also all scenarios need to be considered. Possibly the players were threatened that if they didn't do it then something would happen to them...

The only real scenario where the players aren't complicit is if this is an intentional false flag, but betting operators would recognize that quickly and the investigation would've been over by now. If you took X amount of bettors who all bet on the same thing to make bets look irregular, to get the player investigated, sure that is "possible". But it would cost the syndicate a ton of money.

I'd give the probability of Ortiz not getting banned from MLB about 5-10%, and that's only because I'd factor in there being a possible excuse to why he did it, and MLB somehow falling on the lenient side of punishing him.

All of the takes here saying what did MLB etc expect? LOL. Point shaving and throwing matches has went on since the beginning of time. It is now only being brought to light because there are regulators. It is the easiest scam ever. Get some friends that have ever played professional sports and they will all give you a story or a dozen about players they know that rigged a match to some degree. You won't find a clubhouse that doesn't have stories, in any sport. Tennis has always been the easiest, as you can throw a game or a set at any point, and you can make it look good... Tennis players are getting in more and more trouble in recent years as finally betting trends and account information is shared, which has brought this to light. Anyone yapping about how the leagues needed to expect this would happen and that they are aiding in it happening are just uninformed and borderline stupid people. I'm not going to say that players betting on games is going up or down now, because I don't have that information and clearly betting is more accessible than ever... but it's not like it's a new phenomenon and finally there is accountability for the players.

[QUOTE=mossoholic;19975295]Do we even know what Clase did in terms of specifics? Ortiz they haven't done anything with and it's been almost a month. If these were open and shut cases why haven't they been shut?

If there is no more evidence against Ortiz besides for those 2 pitches I don't see how he doesn't get off. 2 different 1 pitch circumstances could easily be a coincidence.

If these books weren't stupid, 2 1 pitch situations should mean 0% to their bottom line anyway. Those bets should have been capped at $50-$100 max.

Regardless, a guy throwing 2 random intentional balls over a 162 game season isn't exactly Tim Donaghy. If that's really all Ortiz did even if he is guilty I blame the books as much as the player. These types of bets were capped very low for years. No idea why any book wouldn't have them set low now.[/QUOTE]

Cool story showing you know who Tim Donaghy is. No one was comparing them to Tim Donaghy.

Also cool story "blaming the books". What on earth does the books having low limits on prop bets have anything to do with anything? Your talk about it not affecting the books bottom line shows you clearly don't get it at all...

You're literally just saying stuff and making no sense. Glad to know you're basically okay with rigging markets & scamming though.

[QUOTE=BoSoxFan1999;19974795]It's just shocking...SHOCKING [B]that after[/B] pro sports leagues like MLB openly embraced sports betting and happily took their money (see all the FanDuel/Draft Kings/other casinos/betting app ads and real-time money lines/odds mentioned on broadcasts by announcers, billboards at ballparks, etc etc), these leagues [B]now[/B] have problems with their players engaging in sports betting. Who could have seen this coming?

I'm not even mentioning the part about fans openly criticizing players for "ruining" their parlays to the point of sending death threats.[/QUOTE]

Just shocking, absolutely shocking, that dummies think that this is a "now" problem. :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

They literally built relationships with these companies to find out who the cheaters are. Previously, all of this action went overseas and was unregulated and nearly impossible to uncover.

[QUOTE=LondonGames;19975421]Cool story showing you know who Tim Donaghy is. No one was comparing them to Tim Donaghy.

Also cool story "blaming the books". What on earth does the books having low limits on prop bets have anything to do with anything? Your talk about it not affecting the books bottom line shows you clearly don't get it at all...

You're literally just saying stuff and making no sense. Glad to know you're basically okay with rigging markets & scamming though.[/QUOTE]

Love to know how it makes no sense that this would be a non issue in terms of these odd prop bets if the limits were $50-$100. I know for a fact books used to have low limits on this type of stuff. If this has changed I have no idea why. Obviously, no fixing in these situations would go on if all the person could do was win a very small amount of money.

Anything that is an odd prop and/or could easily be fixed should have a low limit. Like a single pitch, wrestling, award shows, movie or tv show props, etc should always have a low cap. If they don't that's the books fault.

Im okay with rigged markets? They literally take bets on things that are rigged/insiders will know the results on. So obviously they are ok with it under the right circumstances. That being they don't lose their behind.

Why do you think you can't bet $100,000 on the color of the Gatorade at the Super Bowl? Why do you think you can't bet $100,000 on how many times so and so will or won't be shown during the Super Bowl? Why do you think you can't bet $100,000 on the over under time of the National Anthem being sung? Because it's rigged! You don't take big bets on odd props, things that could be rigged/insiders could know. Anyone with a brain knows this.

If it was really only 2 meaningless pitches on Ortiz in a 162 game season and the most you could bet is $50-$100 on him throwing a ball you 1. really believe they would have fixed it 2. even if it was fixed for someone/a group to win a whole $50-$100 a piece that anyone would have given a crap to investigate it? Obviously, the answers are no.

For those not using social media to follow this story, the main stat circulating pertains to non-competitive pitches, which are pitches more than two feet outside of the strike zone:

MLB Average: 4.5%
Clase Average: 5.2%
Clase 1st pitch of 9th inning: 17.5%

[QUOTE=brownbear299;19975723]For those not using social media to follow this story, the main stat circulating pertains to non-competitive pitches, which are pitches more than two feet outside of the strike zone:

MLB Average: 4.5%
Clase Average: 5.2%
Clase 1st pitch of 9th inning: 17.5%[/QUOTE]

Isn’t this forum social media?

[QUOTE=brownbear299;19975723]For those not using social media to follow this story, the main stat circulating pertains to non-competitive pitches, which are pitches more than two feet outside of the strike zone:

MLB Average: 4.5%
Clase Average: 5.2%
Clase 1st pitch of 9th inning: 17.5%[/QUOTE]

Things that make you go hmmm....

[QUOTE=mrmojorisin71;19975318]Am I the only one here who thinks it’s hilarious that the only way the Yankees could get to the World Series was by inadvertent cheating? When the knowingly tried in 2016, they couldn’t. Congrats Yankees fans LMAO.

Also, I’d be furious if I were an Indians fan.[/QUOTE]

don't feed the troll don't feed the troll don't feed the troll

...but...can't... resist...

Don't be stupid. There's no evidence at this time to suggest that Clase was throwing games, or even doing anything outside of chunking a couple of pitches at the beginning of innings (still really bad!).

also, the yankees have been jobbed more times by cheating than the other way around. Sheesh, just look back at the Altuve HR off Chapman from a few years back.

Last year Clase was also involved in Finlete. It sounds like it was like buying "stock" in players salaries. I can't imagine the lawsuits don't start flying around their soon:
[URL="https://www.finlete.com/#athletes"]
https://www.finlete.com/#athletes[/URL]

Guardians reliever Emmanuel Clase placed on paid leave amid MLB's sports betting inve
 

Indicted

Faces 65 years in prison

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20251109/9ea8f8d861b52c29a9ee9cb16a4123ba.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20251109/86b2ec68dbf414c6f562e2e5de991b02.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20251109/1875c8a8751603ae77fadfd34dd8ae69.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20251109/a0817226a13ab0a1e342c0afffd6ad14.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20251109/5c253622daa5a8cfdde57f9ac0f0a147.jpg[/IMG]