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mdogg 02-21-2013 03:47 PM

BOOMO wins grand prize in Heroic Ticket Giveaway from H.O.S
 
Just for all of you that doubt the legitimacy of this product, here's a video for you to watch...Fast forward if you want to the 8 minute mark for the Grand Prize giveaway, but there are other great prizes including a Musial/Aaron 1/1

Here's the link to the video

[url=http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29417688]Heroes of Sport - Awards Ceremony - Week #5, Week #5 Live Awards Ceremony Heroesofsport on USTREAM. Baseball[/url]

Have a great day!!!!

Miggs

Ajax1723 02-21-2013 03:48 PM

Subscribed.

MikeWilliamsFan 02-21-2013 03:48 PM

Can't wait to see how many pages this gets to by 9:00

MikeWilliamsFan 02-21-2013 03:49 PM

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;4308600]Subscribed.[/QUOTE]

You don't need to because its Going to be at the top all night!!!

TheHeel 02-21-2013 03:50 PM

What does Boomo do for a career? All this guy does is open boxes of cards.

death2redemptions 02-21-2013 03:53 PM

And....here.....we......go!

THE(NEXT)LEVEL 02-21-2013 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;4308642]And....here.....we......go![/QUOTE]

LMFAO, I cant wait for a night of entertaining reading!!!

lobo_hacker 02-21-2013 03:56 PM

[IMG]http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35210473.jpg[/IMG]

Vintage Collector 02-21-2013 03:57 PM

If you watch the random, their count seems to be one off. Right before they randomize and award to boomo, the screen says you have randomized this list 3 times.

I think they did four randoms.

Maybe I missed something.

briantusaf 02-21-2013 03:59 PM

Random.org fail? "do it once to load it, then do it three times" so thats 4 times not 3?

edit: just noticed that vintage collector noticed it as well^^^^

lambeauleap87 02-21-2013 04:00 PM

[QUOTE=Vintage Collector;4308673]If you watch the random, their count seems to be one off. Right before they randomize and award to boomo, the screen says you have randomized this list 3 times.

I think they did four randoms.

Maybe I missed something.[/QUOTE]

They did...clearly says it was randomized four times.

This video clearly legitimizes Heroes of Sport as a company.

superjames27 02-21-2013 04:00 PM

mdogg why are you always on boomos sack?

coyne81486 02-21-2013 04:01 PM

Hos is a joke and a lie

NeedChapmans 02-21-2013 04:01 PM

[QUOTE=Vintage Collector;4308673]If you watch the random, their count seems to be one off. Right before they randomize and award to boomo, the screen says you have randomized this list 3 times.

I think they did four randoms.

Maybe I missed something.[/QUOTE]

Yes ... that's a good catch.

DOUGSEVIER54 02-21-2013 04:02 PM

Uh oh... Here. We. GO! Got my snack ready..
[IMG]http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjm4n4umw1rn1xxfo1_400.gif[/IMG]

texgator 02-21-2013 04:03 PM

Even the Heros guys laughed when Boomo won....they knew it would be a problem.

BostonNut 02-21-2013 04:05 PM

Forgive my ignorance...what is the relationship between bird poop man and this product?

FISHLEGBOOTS 02-21-2013 04:07 PM

[IMG]http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w365/FISHLEGBOOTS/feline-baumgartner.gif[/IMG]

ThickPackz 02-21-2013 04:07 PM

This product is disgraceful!!

DOUGSEVIER54 02-21-2013 04:08 PM

[QUOTE=Vintage Collector;4308673]If you watch the random, their count seems to be one off. Right before they randomize and award to boomo, the screen says you have randomized this list 3 times.

I think they did four randoms.

Maybe I missed something.[/QUOTE]

Yep, they indeed did randomize 4 times!

Bob Loblaw 02-21-2013 04:08 PM

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_1Pw1xm9U"]Yup. Who'da thunk it?[/URL]

friarbolt 02-21-2013 04:11 PM

They say before they do it they are going to randomize four times. One to set it up then three more times. So it's not inaccurate what they did.

DOUGSEVIER54 02-21-2013 04:12 PM

[QUOTE=friarbolt;4308767]They say before they do it they are going to randomize four times. One to set it up then three more times. So it's not inaccurate what they did.[/QUOTE]

Well that clears it up for me. Couldn't hear sound, as I am at work.... SHHH! :)!

lobo_hacker 02-21-2013 04:13 PM

[QUOTE=friarbolt;4308767]They say before they do it they are going to randomize four times. One to set it up then three more times. So it's not inaccurate what they did.[/QUOTE]

-It does not appear to be invalid, no. But there is a reason that most companies use a third party to handle the randomization of these sort of things, including when randomizing things here.

Even if there was not editing or other technical funny business here, it further buries this product into a niche that will not grow for them due to their horrid beginnings and associations. Good business people these two are not.

lobo_hacker

hitman1116 02-21-2013 04:14 PM

anyone else have trouble with the volume? Like lack there of? All the hits just stay in the same circle of people. They're going to clean up.

friarbolt 02-21-2013 04:15 PM

[QUOTE=lobo_hacker;4308791]-It does not appear to be invalid, no. But there is a reason that most companies use a third party to handle the randomization of these sort of things, including when randomizing things here.

Even if there was not editing or other technical funny business here, it further buries this product into a niche that will not grow for them due to their horrid beginnings and associations. Good business people these two are not.

lobo_hacker[/QUOTE]

All valid points. Does anyone have information about this company? It seems like somebody just randomly started their own Brian Gray type of company where they use deep pockets to buy cards and package up resale boxes.

NPNCards 02-21-2013 04:15 PM

[QUOTE=hitman1116;4308797]anyone else have trouble with the volume? Like lack there of? All the hits just stay in the same circle of people. They're going to clean up.[/QUOTE]

Yeah seemed to be sound issues had to turn the volume up a lot. Outside of that really nothing going on.

Cactuspies 02-21-2013 04:16 PM

confused....so are these all useless??? I can't watch the links so I don't know what happened. just asking

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2013-HEROES-OF-SPORTS-33950-HEROIC-POINTS-BABE-RUTH-BAT-/350718869492?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item51a8793ff4#ht_368wt_959]2012 2013 Heroes of Sports 33950 Heroic Points Babe Ruth Bat | eBay[/url]

DOUGSEVIER54 02-21-2013 04:20 PM

[QUOTE=Cactuspies;4308809]confused....so are these all useless??? I can't watch the links so I don't know what happened. just asking

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2013-HEROES-OF-SPORTS-33950-HEROIC-POINTS-BABE-RUTH-BAT-/350718869492?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item51a8793ff4#ht_368wt_959]2012 2013 Heroes of Sports 33950 Heroic Points Babe Ruth Bat | eBay[/url][/QUOTE]

Holy Christ.. Boomo is selling these! hahaha
[IMG]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSk-_Dx5tTh-fIWf0MMdNd4PflBSIYqJmJ__9UXoLGX5gFccvmD8w[/IMG]

37Jetson 02-21-2013 04:20 PM

Cue the Blowout Detective Agency! Clean up Aisle 4

darin2200 02-21-2013 04:22 PM

Edit: Nevermind I see now my question was stupid.

patchgenie 02-21-2013 04:22 PM

[QUOTE=friarbolt;4308803]All valid points. Does anyone have information about this company? It seems like somebody just randomly started their own Brian Gray type of company where they use deep pockets to buy cards and package up resale boxes.[/QUOTE]

what you posted is right. i'm not too surprised boomo won considering everything else suspicious they did.

DOUGSEVIER54 02-21-2013 04:24 PM

[QUOTE=darin2200;4308846]Couldn't they have just kept Re Recording the random video until their insider Boomo won the prize? Or was it live? (I didn't watch it)

Even if it was not rigged, just so many perceptions of conflict of interest with this company and everyone closely involved.[/QUOTE]

Well, I looked at the time on the randomizer. the first 3 randomizes were legit.. Never see the 4th and final random time, because they left the screen at the top of the randomization page to show Boomo winning.... so, who knows, really :)

XL5 02-21-2013 04:25 PM

[QUOTE=Cactuspies;4308809]confused....so are these all useless??? I can't watch the links so I don't know what happened. just asking

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2013-HEROES-OF-SPORTS-33950-HEROIC-POINTS-BABE-RUTH-BAT-/350718869492?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item51a8793ff4#ht_368wt_959]2012 2013 Heroes of Sports 33950 Heroic Points Babe Ruth Bat | eBay[/url][/QUOTE]

From what I understand, those points are still good for the final prize competition thing.

[url=http://heroesofsportinc.com/viewuserdefinedpage.aspx?pn=howitworks]how-it-all-works[/url]

The weekly contests are just for whoever redeemed the most points that week. Although if that's the case I'm not sure what the random was.

[QUOTE]The top 5 competitors on the leader board will be awarded 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th Place Prizes. [/QUOTE]

Srt42004n 02-21-2013 04:26 PM

HOS is a sucker product...almost like Leaf releasing product and then selling the advertised printing plates on ebay to make $$

JohnRyno 02-21-2013 04:27 PM

It looks like these two rats were blowing each other in a dirty cubicle before the shady mortgage company they were working for went under.

hitman1116 02-21-2013 04:27 PM

[QUOTE=Cactuspies;4308809]confused....so are these all useless??? I can't watch the links so I don't know what happened. just asking

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2013-HEROES-OF-SPORTS-33950-HEROIC-POINTS-BABE-RUTH-BAT-/350718869492?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item51a8793ff4#ht_368wt_959]2012 2013 Heroes of Sports 33950 Heroic Points Babe Ruth Bat | eBay[/url][/QUOTE]

Wow....can't believe people actually want to buy the points. So worthless. If all of these prizes had a good COA with the numbers posted for people to look the items up it'd make it better. He might get 1k from that auction and I'll just have to chuckle for every dollar spent.

Tugarpj 02-21-2013 04:33 PM

[IMG]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwzw66wauW1qzg6kuo1_400.jpg[/IMG]

card_monk 02-21-2013 04:36 PM

[QUOTE=DOUGSEVIER54;4308868]Well, I looked at the time on the randomizer. the first 3 randomizes were legit.. Never see the 4th and final random time, because they left the screen at the top of the randomization page to show Boomo winning.... so, who knows, really :)[/QUOTE]

This was the first thing I thought after watching. No time stamp on the last one. Not that the time stamp 100% proves anything really but that's just super bad form...

MetDude 02-21-2013 04:37 PM

[QUOTE=mdogg;4308594][IMG]http://www.mce.k12tn.net/dogs/dixie/lollipop.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]


:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

mdogg 02-21-2013 04:45 PM

Metdude....haters gonna hate, jealousy always reigns supreme

MetDude 02-21-2013 05:05 PM

lol enjoy lickin that lollipop

MetsFan4Life 02-21-2013 05:05 PM

[IMG]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=413159165445159&set=a.110412849053127.19567.100002532365448&type=1&relevant_count=1[/IMG]


Boomo and friends .... Scam from the start ... :rolleyes:

Jenkinssssss 02-21-2013 05:06 PM

I truly am jealous of a fat, ugly, white trash dude that lives alone in a trailer in the middle of nowhere.

edit: forgot insane in the membrane.

mdogg 02-21-2013 05:18 PM

take some time to watch the video...so all the other prizes are frauds...What's your problem fellas

Cactuspies 02-21-2013 05:22 PM

[QUOTE=mdogg;4309260]take some time to watch the video...so all the other prizes are frauds...[B]What's your problem fellas[/B][/QUOTE]


the way you start sh*t on here on purpose. That's all. You know how to hit us hard in the gonads.

bommzser will be busy tonight sending swear laced messaged to everyone here w/and ebay ID.

what's his ID on the leaderboard btw? I dont know what he goes by

1st - Mswift69 - 276,750 PTS
2nd - Change007 - 221,400 PTS
3rd - Bwdgse - 163,300 PTS
4th - Theundertaker827 - 85,250 PTS
5th - Cuttyz- 47,200 PTS
6th - TBD - 44,100 PTS
7th - Tweekerbear - 30,300 PTS
8th - And1cards - 27,050 PTS
9th - Andy33015 - 24,200 PTS
10th - Amazzola78 - 23,800 PTS

Or:
1st - Msift69- 76,250 PTS
2st - Change007 - 72,000 PTS
3nd - Bwdgse - 61,400 PTS
4rd - And1cards - 27,050 PTS
5th - Amazzola78 - 11,100 PTS

maybe it's my IE, but there are videos embeded everywhere

VWBUS1978 02-21-2013 05:23 PM

[QUOTE=mdogg;4309260]take some time to watch the video...so all the other prizes are frauds...What's your problem fellas[/QUOTE]

the word oblivious comes to mind when i see you post a thread about boomo or HOS.

PS - the guy in the white track suit is a dead giveaway that this product is a sham. those were never cool, unless you're from England and sell drugs.

mdogg 02-21-2013 05:30 PM

[QUOTE=Cactuspies;4309292]the way you start sh*t on here on purpose. That's all. You know how to hit us hard in the gonads.

bommzser will be busy tonight sending swear laced messaged to everyone here w/and ebay ID.

what's his ID on the leaderboard btw? I dont know what he goes by

1st - Mswift69 - 276,750 PTS
2nd - Change007 - 221,400 PTS
3rd - Bwdgse - 163,300 PTS
4th - Theundertaker827 - 85,250 PTS
5th - Cuttyz- 47,200 PTS
6th - TBD - 44,100 PTS
7th - Tweekerbear - 30,300 PTS
8th - And1cards - 27,050 PTS
9th - Andy33015 - 24,200 PTS
10th - Amazzola78 - 23,800 PTS

Or:
1st - Msift69- 76,250 PTS
2st - Change007 - 72,000 PTS
3nd - Bwdgse - 61,400 PTS
4rd - And1cards - 27,050 PTS
5th - Amazzola78 - 11,100 PTS

maybe it's my IE, but there are videos embeded everywhere[/QUOTE]

I don't start it intentionally, I am a fan of the hobby and particpate in breaks in lots of forums, don't hate when I post some increible hits or prizes given away from a legit product, that BLOWOUT has sold

Cactuspies 02-21-2013 05:36 PM

[QUOTE=mdogg;4309355]I don't start it intentionally, I am a fan of the hobby and particpate in breaks in lots of forums, don't hate when I post some increible hits or prizes given away from a legit product, [B]that BLOWOUT has sold[/B][/QUOTE]

have they though?
They tried a break, couldn't fill, not sure if any has actually sold since I haven't seen one break posted, but I don't look at box breaks anymore. prove some have sold and I will put you on ignore so I don't see these posts anymore? Fair?

they are probably on consignment anyway.

trollahz unite!

oh and tell your GF that is banned that I will call ebay if I get one more message from him, instead of just reporting his messages everyday.

lobo_hacker 02-21-2013 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=mdogg;4309355]... don't hate...[/QUOTE]

-i don't think it's all hate, and it's annoying when fanbois generalize like this. I don't care if BO sells it or not, most of the criticism is well-reasoned from people very familiar with the hobby, its history, and the business of cards.

I really like watching Michael Bay movies from time to time. From every indicator, he's one of the princes of schlock cinema and a bad film maker. Everything in his movies is flammable and explosive. He orders all his on-set cameras with the optional shake-and-jiggle-to-avoid-a-clear-picture filter. He can't find a lead actor that doesn't whine, scream, and emote incorrectly through every talking scene. His sense of humour is that of a 6 year old from the 1980's with a coke habit. He knows absolutely nothing about scripting females in his movies....shall i go on?

Michael bay is not a good film maker. HoS, Boomo, and whatever they stand for are not good for this hobby.

We can still like them. Enjoy them. Heck, we can even give them our money. But let's not pretend they're any good at this.

lobo_hacker

mdogg 02-21-2013 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=Cactuspies;4309413]have they though?
They tried a break, couldn't fill, not sure if any has actually sold since I haven't seen one break posted, but I don't look at box breaks anymore. prove some have sold and I will put you on ignore so I don't see these posts anymore? Fair?

they are probably on consignment anyway.

trollahz unite![/QUOTE]

Yo, Boomo isnt the only one breakin this, Cardsmith, and And1cards...so I don't get why you think this thing is a scam...these are legit pulls and I wouldnt post them if it wasn't the case

tonedef2oo8 02-21-2013 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=hitman1116;4308797]anyone else have trouble with the volume? Like lack there of? All the hits just stay in the same circle of people. They're going to clean up.[/QUOTE]

Hey give the guys a break like packaging this is filmed in a basement with a camera bought on ebay last week. But dont worry their #1 cheerleader wont be complaining anytime $oon.

And dont sweat it Boomo hit a hotbox this week to boost suckers I mean sales for this garbage.

Cactuspies 02-21-2013 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=mdogg;4309437]Yo, Boomo isnt the only one breakin this, Cardsmith, and And1cards...so I don't get why you think this thing is a scam...these are legit pulls and I wouldnt post them if it wasn't the case[/QUOTE]

dont know either of them, never heard of them. never heard or you know who until the 50 case deal a little while back. never once did i use scam fyi. show me one break/purchase on blowout and I will forever leave you alone.

tonedef2oo8 02-21-2013 05:43 PM

[QUOTE=hitman1116;4308890]Wow....can't believe people actually want to buy the points. So worthless. If all of these prizes had a good COA with the numbers posted for people to look the items up it'd make it better. He might get 1k from that auction and I'll just have to chuckle for every dollar spent.[/QUOTE]

Boomos account was shilled once from a person selling through his account. He told the guy he should have kept his mouth shut. No one would have noticed had he never fessed up.

xbignick 02-21-2013 05:51 PM

Anyone have the thread from blowout trying to sell out a group break of this stuff?

TxRangersfan 02-21-2013 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=xbignick;4309544]Anyone have the thread from blowout trying to sell out a group break of this stuff?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/completed-closed-group-case-breaks/446966-heroes-sport-4-case-random-slot-hit-break.html[/url]

duwal 02-21-2013 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Jenkinssssss;4309174]I truly am jealous of a fat, ugly, white trash dude that lives alone in a trailer in the middle of nowhere.

edit: forgot insane in the membrane.[/QUOTE]

not middle of nowhere, he lives in a van down by the river
[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/5454/farley_medium.jpg[/IMG]

37Jetson 02-21-2013 06:06 PM

I would have been more convinced if it would have been an old fashioned barrell with everybody's name on a slip of paper. They could have taped Boomo's name to the side of the barrell to assure the win, but it would look ten times more real that that hokey random.org

xbignick 02-21-2013 06:06 PM

[QUOTE=TxRangersfan;4309595][url]http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/completed-closed-group-case-breaks/446966-heroes-sport-4-case-random-slot-hit-break.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Haha, that didn't last long.

VWBUS1978 02-21-2013 06:19 PM

[QUOTE=xbignick;4309665]Haha, that didn't last long.[/QUOTE]

makes you wonder who's buying spots in boomos break.

probably all the people banned from BO.

armyatc22 02-21-2013 06:22 PM

[QUOTE=MikeWilliamsFan;4308603]Can't wait to see how many pages this gets to by 9:00[/QUOTE]

My guess 2 he is old news and no one cares PLUS my settings are 75 posts per page

imnotded 02-21-2013 06:40 PM

As someone else pointed out earlier, it does not matter if the random was legit or not. They asked boomo to unveil their product for them, therefor he is representing this company. To have him win anything is just proof positive that these people know absolutely nothing about business.

There is a reason the McDonalds employees are not allowed to participate in their stupid monopoly game each year. J

MetsFan4Life 02-21-2013 06:50 PM

Anyone want to have fun with Boomo's Ebay account ?!
 
Hence since the whole HOS crap is a scam , he is selling "points" to a "raffle " for a "prize" that clearly NO ONE will win . How about we report it to ebay ?! :rolleyes:

jlzinck 02-21-2013 06:56 PM

Ahhhh madogg Boomo's personal Linda Lovelace:)!

pigeonsbaseball 02-21-2013 07:15 PM

There is 35,000 HOS points up on ebay auction, I can't believe people are buying those points. The auction is up to $530 for that crap. Unreal.

MetsFan4Life 02-21-2013 07:20 PM

[IMG]https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/58441_413159165445159_1256339116_n.jpg[/IMG]

jmscoggin 02-21-2013 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=mdogg;4309437]Yo, Boomo isnt the only one breakin this, Cardsmith, and And1cards...so I don't get why you think this thing is a scam...these are legit pulls and I wouldnt post them if it wasn't the case[/QUOTE]

Hahahahahahaha. Haiku wouldn't have posted Mystery Lots if they weren't a sham either. Really convincing arguement. I like that you are also taking the same talking points as Gelf, the other HOS insider.

I participate in lots of breaks of all products
I am just a fan of the hobby.
I'm not connected to HOS I just like hyping good products.
Yada, yada, yada, squawk.

Shall I continue? Did ya'll get together at an IHOP to put your counter arguements together? Boomo's freaking bird could come up with a better and more believable defense. The only time I ever see you post is having something to do with HOS and/or Boomer. If you are a homer or even an investor that's cool, just say so. But, don't come on here and think we are all too dumb to know the truth.

jmscoggin 02-21-2013 07:34 PM

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DOUGSEVIER54 02-21-2013 07:40 PM

Still enjoying this thread.....
[IMG]http://ano.lolcathost.org/thumbs//costanzaPopcorn.gif[/IMG]

dthimesch 02-21-2013 07:47 PM

1) how many things like this has to keep happening before people stop defending this clown.

2) over/under on how many people from this thread Boomo will track down via ebay messages and start cursing at them like an idiot?

hitman1116 02-21-2013 07:50 PM

[QUOTE=dthimesch;4310511]1) how many things like this has to keep happening before people stop defending this clown.

2) over/under on how many people from this thread Boomo will track down via ebay messages and start cursing at them like an idiot?[/QUOTE]

1. at least 2 more

2. set the over under at 3.5 and I'd take the over!!

jmscoggin 02-21-2013 07:54 PM

[QUOTE=dthimesch;4310511]1) how many things like this has to keep happening before people stop defending this clown.

2) over/under on how many people from this thread Boomo will track down via ebay messages and start cursing at them like an idiot?[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not we've had a few back and forths and he is being the most civil I've ever seen him. I still don't agree with him but he is making a far more professional (I know) pitch than I've seen from him before and certainly better than that Gelf joker did.

californiakron 02-21-2013 08:13 PM

Hopefully we get another "Rant" from him.......:)!

dthimesch 02-21-2013 08:21 PM

[QUOTE=jmscoggin;4310576]Believe it or not we've had a few back and forths and he is being the most civil I've ever seen him. I still don't agree with him but he is making a far more professional (I know) pitch than I've seen from him before and certainly better than that Gelf joker did.[/QUOTE]

The funny thing about that is after the very first episode about him on here I mentioned something about never doing business with him. He Pm'd me here and acted very civil and told me he needed to work on how he handles others and moving forward he is going to do this or that to help....that seemed to last about 5 mins... I took him seriously...I won't do it again.

jmscoggin 02-21-2013 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=dthimesch;4310803]The funny thing about that is after the very first episode about him on here I mentioned something about never doing business with him. He Pm'd me here and acted very civil and told me he needed to work on how he handles others and moving forward he is going to do this or that to help....that seemed to last about 5 mins... I took him seriously...I won't do it again.[/QUOTE]

I remember all of this as well. I have seen him go back and forth a few times. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt but my scam radar is ringing off the hook with HOS. Couple that with the crazy Boomo rants and the fact that he still does not think that having the product investors in the room and buying spots while he is breaking their product? Just too far fetched for me to trust.


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