Ebay apparently lowering fees for some sales
 

Interesting changes coming for store subscribers starting May 1.

- a certain amount of free auction or fixed price listings every month depending on store level (500 for premium level)

Monthly store subscription costs are going up - unless you pay for a full year in advance, which most will want to do.

- 9% flat FVF on closing amount and shipping.

BUT (of course) the huge catch - tier system of discounted FVF levels > $50 is being eliminated. The 9% will be flat for the whole amount as it is currently for non-store sellers.

This equates to FVF fee reduction for cheap items, but a (potentially very large) FVF increase for expensive items.

It's a great trade off for me as I deal primarily in cheap crap, but I can see some wax sellers not being happy.

[QUOTE=phil;4501948]Interesting changes coming for store subscribers starting May 1.

- a certain amount of free auction or fixed price listings every month depending on store level (500 for premium level)

Monthly store subscription costs are going up - unless you pay for a full year in advance, which most will want to do.

- 9% flat FVF on closing amount and shipping.

BUT (of course) the huge catch - tier system of discounted FVF levels > $50 is being eliminated. The 9% will be flat for the whole amount as it is currently for non-store sellers.

This equates to FVF fee reduction for cheap items, but a (potentially very large) FVF increase for expensive items.

It's a great trade off for me as I deal primarily in cheap crap, but I can see some wax sellers not being happy.[/QUOTE]

No kidding. Especially considering Wax and Set Sellers get creamed on shipping.

Here's their old/new fee calculator

[url=http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/Feecalculator.html#]eBay.com : Fee Calculator[/url]

Looks like the break even works out to about $82. Everything sold for more than that will see a fee increase.

Fees for a $1000 case (no top rated discount) go from $62.55 to $90

Am I seeing it correctly that fixed price listings on a premium store jump from 5 cents to 10 cents and anchor listings jump from 3 cents to 5 cents?

Also, is it a flat listing price of 10 cents to 15 cents instead of going up depending on the price of the item? I'm a bit confused.

What if I take an anchor store and my listings renew on the first of the month. Will it eat up all of my free listings so I don't get free auction listings?

It's very unclear to me.

[url=http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/springupdate2013/springfeesimplification.html]eBay Seller Information Center: 2013 Spring Seller Update: Fee update[/url]

For non store, here are some of the new things coming in April:

*50 free listings per month, auction AND fixed price
*Flat FVF fee of 10%, so 8% for Top Rated
*Sounds like they are knocking down the Unpaid item 2 days (that was unclear, hopefully now 6 is the minimum as opposed to 8)
*BINs that are hit will still stay for sale until the item is paid for (although if you use Immediate Payment on BIN) not sure how that does any good

A slight hike in FVFs on more expensive stuff over $80 or so, and a slight break on FVF for BIN/BO on cheaper stuff under $80 or so.

[QUOTE=HadWayTooMuch;4502071]Am I seeing it correctly that fixed price listings on a premium store jump from 5 cents to 10 cents and anchor listings jump from 3 cents to 5 cents?[/QUOTE]




that's for additional listings if you use up your free ones. premium store gets 500 free listings monthly, anchor 2500.


[url=http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/springupdate2013/springfeesimplification.html]eBay Seller Information Center: 2013 Spring Seller Update: Fee update[/url]

it certainly looks like there is no tier system for starting price on auction listings after free listings are used up. Just says 10/15 cents.

[QUOTE=phil;4502241]that's for additional listings if you use up your free ones. premium store gets 500 free listings monthly, anchor 2500.


[url=http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/springupdate2013/springfeesimplification.html]eBay Seller Information Center: 2013 Spring Seller Update: Fee update[/url][/QUOTE]

Right. So now the additional listings have gone up from 5 cents to 10 cents.

How about the auctions? Are they a flat rate now no matter how much the opening bid is?

I actually like these changes. I don't mind paying a bit extra if I sell something if I pay less listing it considering how many items don't sell.

Fees on a card that is bid to $1000 in an auction go from $41.85 to $90. Yikes for superfractor sellers.

[QUOTE=phil;4502297]Fees on a card that is bid to $1000 in an auction go from $41.85 to $90. Yikes for superfractor sellers.[/QUOTE]

Quote of the year trying to justify the flat rate:

[I]"For most of our sellers the complexity of our fees were keeping them from being on eBay and preventing them from having full transparency into their profitability from selling on eBay," said Michael Jones, vice president of merchant development.[/I]

That being said, most of my sales are $1-$10 so I'm okay with it.

The 50 free BINBO listings a month for non-store owners is awesome. I know I'll be listing a lot more.

Looks good to me.

I was paying more than 9% for my store listings so this should help out.


The effect on COMC will be interesting as people will prolly do some extra leg work to save 11% to cashout by buying cards then selling them on ebay.

I do like that they dropped the fixed price listing to .30 vs .50 for non stores

and really like this change:

"The listing scheduler that allows you to set the time your listings will start and end as much as three weeks in advance will be free for sellers paying standard fees."

So you can set up auctions for day you want to list with no extra cost. This is much more convenient for me at times then setting up and maintaining turbolister. I usually miss the window for when I want to get stuff listed at auction.

I had a basic store to reduce my fixed price listing. I can now eliminate that need as .30 is close to the .20 I pay now.

For those with 2,500+ listings, it looks like you're pretty much forced into an Anchor Store subscription. At first glance, it looks like a wash for me personally, but I'll certainly be comparing May and June net figures to prior periods.

My scenario (5,000+ listings):

49.95 = my premium store subscription
125.00 = .05 x my first 2,500 items
-------
174.95 = current cost (first 2,500 items)
199.95 = future anchor store subscription (first 2,500 items)
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25.00 = increased monthly cost to list first 2,500 items
60.00 = FVF monthly savings ($3,000 avg mo. x 2% FVF differential - I sell mostly low end)
-------
35.00 = potential savings (we'll see).

That's my quick read of it.

ebay looks to grab a lot of amazons business.


[url]http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/sell/sellinfocntr/amazon-compare.pdf[/url]

And if this goes through expect an increase in Paypal fees as well...

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/ebay-hit-gloves-come-off-over-paypal-digital-190023777--sector.html;_ylt=Ak9geXPZk_qkORZiV0kzITyZCMZ_;_ylu=X3oDMTVxdTBmMHNvBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDQXJ0aWNsZSBNaXhlZCBMaXN0IE5ld3MgZm9yIFlvdSB3aXRoIE1vcmUgTGluawRwa2cDMzYyYmY2NzktYWZhMy0zN2Y1LTk3YjctNDhiMmE2YzhlMTg4BHBvcwMxBHNlYwNuZXdzX2Zvcl95b3UEdmVyAzUyNjkzZDMxLThmZmUtMTFlMi1iZGZmLTNiODcxYjZjNzQ4Yg--;_ylg=X3oDMTMzaWs2aDQxBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYjFmZmMxYTAtNGZmZi0zYjU5LWIwYWItOTE5MzY2MWY1NGQ4BHBzdGNhdANibG9nc3x0aGVsb29rb3V0BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3]EBay hit as "gloves come off" over PayPal digital wallet fee[/url]

never applied for the basic store however is it worth it? How much of a savings do we get if its for sports cards? $15.95 a month means $191 for the whole year. i pay around $200 in ebay fees a month with non store account. Any help would be great!

I like this news:
"Starting in May, most fixed price and Auction-style listings purchased with Buy It Now will continue to be available for sale until a buyer pays."

[QUOTE=xbignick;4506058]I like this news:
"Starting in May, most fixed price and Auction-style listings purchased with Buy It Now will continue to be available for sale until a buyer pays."[/QUOTE]

So in other words, they will require instant payment. lol

[QUOTE=bigsmoot2;4502157]For non store, here are some of the new things coming in April:

*50 free listings per month, auction AND fixed price
*Flat FVF fee of 10%, so 8% for Top Rated
*Sounds like they are knocking down the Unpaid item 2 days (that was unclear, hopefully now 6 is the minimum as opposed to 8)
[B]*BINs that are hit will still stay for sale until the item is paid for (although if you use Immediate Payment on BIN) not sure how that does any good
[/B]
A slight hike in FVFs on more expensive stuff over $80 or so, and a slight break on FVF for BIN/BO on cheaper stuff under $80 or so.[/QUOTE]

I tried using that but wouldn't allow me too. I think it had to do with me only accepting paypal or not having a store. So as a small seller I like the news - gets annoying for me when they offer, I accept, and they take a week to pay.

The fixed price changes and store subscription changes seem ok.

But auction style FVF for store subscribers is going up quite a bit.
From 7.5% (4% above $50) to a flat 9%. Ouch!

[QUOTE=mr_yoshi_san;4502487]never applied for the basic store however is it worth it? How much of a savings do we get if its for sports cards? $15.95 a month means $191 for the whole year. i pay around $200 in ebay fees a month with non store account. Any help would be great![/QUOTE]

Try this:
[url=http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/FeeIllustrator.html]eBay: Fee Illustrator[/url]

You're probably best going to a store no matter how many listings you're doing if you're going to keep up the same volume over the year. Play around with how your selling patterns will change with the above & be realistic (major problem of mine...) :)!

[QUOTE=Hf32jkm5;4506686]The fixed price changes and store subscription changes seem ok.

But auction style FVF for store subscribers is going up quite a bit.
From 7.5% (4% above $50) to a flat 9%. Ouch![/QUOTE]

The FVF for store auctions really hurts IMO. That's major ouch time.

Brentandbecca paid $28K+ in fees last year to Ebay.
Using the new system their fees would be $40K

So I wonder how much of a raise the CEO will get seeing he made $29 million last year.:eek:

[QUOTE=jlzinck;4507136]Brentandbecca paid $28K+ in fees last year to Ebay.
Using the new system their fees would be $40K

So I wonder how much of a raise the CEO will get seeing he made $29 million last year.:eek:[/QUOTE]

I'd say this would put them out of the game of breaking, atleast if it was me it would. I mean? 10-12k is probably the profit margin on sports cards? it's a very fine line on what ebay can really do with sports cards, they are stretching sellers to the limit of whats possible already, most people lose money, so if the fee's go up you'll see several people quit i'm sure. giving an extra 12k a year to break cards just isn't do'able for most. you have to really love it to keep going at that rate.

[QUOTE=jlzinck;4507136]Brentandbecca paid $28K+ in fees last year to Ebay.
Using the new system their fees would be $40K

So I wonder how much of a raise the CEO will get seeing he made $29 million last year.:eek:[/QUOTE]


kind of odd that they are screwing bigger sellers and helping the little guy. kind of the opposite of their recent trends.

[QUOTE=jlzinck;4507136]Brentandbecca paid $28K+ in fees last year to Ebay.
Using the new system their fees would be $40K

QUOTE]

not true. that would only be true if ALL of their fees were for items that sold for over $50.00. remember, the new system has 9% compared to 12% on items that are UNDER $50.00.

[QUOTE=Tim;4507384][QUOTE=jlzinck;4507136]Brentandbecca paid $28K+ in fees last year to Ebay.
Using the new system their fees would be $40K


not true. that would only be true if ALL of their fees were for items that sold for over $50.00. remember, the new system has 9% compared to 12% on items that are UNDER $50.00.[/QUOTE]

Well these are their words not mine. Brent is pretty spot on with his posts/tweets.

[QUOTE=Tim;4507384]not true. that would only be true if ALL of their fees were for items that sold for over $50.00. remember, the new system has 9% compared to 12% on items that are UNDER $50.00.[/QUOTE]


you're comparing fixed price to fixed price. brent currently sells many high dollar cards through auctions - and the fee jump for auctions > $50 is much, much greater. his auction FVF will probably be close to double what they are now.

also it is currently 11% < $50, not 12%

[QUOTE=bigsmoot2;4502157]For non store, here are some of the new things coming in April:

*50 free listings per month, auction AND fixed price
*Flat FVF fee of 10%, so 8% for Top Rated
*Sounds like they are knocking down the Unpaid item 2 days (that was unclear, hopefully now 6 is the minimum as opposed to 8)
*BINs that are hit will still stay for sale until the item is paid for (although if you use Immediate Payment on BIN) not sure how that does any good

A slight hike in FVFs on more expensive stuff over $80 or so, and a slight break on FVF for BIN/BO on cheaper stuff under $80 or so.[/Q
Haven't seen anything about them lowering the time you have to wait by 2 days,
But I've been saying they should do that.8 days is just too long to tie up a card.

[QUOTE=phil;4507419]you're comparing fixed price to fixed price. brent currently sells many high dollar cards through auctions - and the fee jump for auctions > $50 is much, much greater. his auction FVF will probably be close to double what they are now.

also it is currently 11% < $50, not 12%[/QUOTE]

I was going to say something,I don't own a store.Thought it might be different for store owners.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

my fees take in to consideration the store cost I will have to pay and the HUGE increase I have to pay on my listings...currently auction fees for store owners are 7.5% for first $50 and just 4% after the first $50, NOW everything is a flat 9% for store owners!!!
that is a huge increase to everyone

Do the math on a $300 item/$500/$1000 , or let's say you sell sealed cases, do the math on a $2-$3k case, wow wow wow
I am an auction seller over 99% of the time, and sure I will save 10 cents from NOT listing it, BUT I still pay for that listing by getting a store, so either way we are still paying for listings...

PLUS...
Another issue I have is that eBay is pushing stores, YET only NON-STORE OWNERS with now have free buy it now feature and the new listing scheduler

How is this right? Seems backwards. I pay you for my "free listings" yet I don't get to very important "free" features?! I would think those selling more than 50 items a month would need the listing scheduler more than not
That to me is backwards.

eBay is still the best option, although others are out there
thankfully near 60% of my sales come off ebay and are direct with customers the past few years

I have to say the extra effort they've made lately to try to prevent offline deals being made through eBay Messaging makes a lot more sense now.

Glad I'm no longer selling :)

[QUOTE]
not true. that would only be true if ALL of their fees were for items that sold for over $50.00. remember, the new system has 9% compared to 12% on items that are UNDER $50.00.[/QUOTE]

no the current system is 7.5% for first $50 and 4% after
and current for fixed price is 11%
these numbers are IF you currently have a basic store

they will all move to a flat 9% no matter the sales price. I list more than 99% of things via auction...
sure fixed priced has a place, but always amazes me sellers are willing to pay so much more in fees to list and sell at fixed price, sometimes it is a good thing if it sells strong, but not always

Talking to sellers, it is no wonder ebay is going to a streamlined flat fee for all (although current system seems more 'fair')
Most all sellers I talk to do not know the fees.... it is a HUGE increase
here are fees for a store
[url]http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/storefees.html[/url]
again it will be 9% flat for auctions, MOVING UP from 7.5 for first $50 and 4% after that.....that is HUGE increases

brentandbecca couple questions if you know?

how does the 20% off fee's factor in for top rated sellers etc? any factor on that reguarding a store/no store? or no change?

do you consider card sales to be profitable? and this puts a damper on your profit? or is this mainly just a hobby thing? that will push you away from the hobby?

[QUOTE=Qwasian;4508022]brentandbecca couple questions if you know?

how does the 20% off fee's factor in for top rated sellers etc? any factor on that reguarding a store/no store? or no change?

do you consider card sales to be profitable? and this puts a damper on your profit? or is this mainly just a hobby thing? that will push you away from the hobby?[/QUOTE]

no change on 20%, does not matter store or not

can card sales be profitable? yes but for most they are not, and there are not too many products that are consistently, this started as a hobby and while it has become a biz due to the volume I still collect... THIS will not push me out by itself, but I have been looking to stop soon anyway due to so many other factors, the most important being family/time/life then their are other rising costs, and possible inet sales tax, and usps rates, and quality of products, etc....so many factors
but it is different for everyone

here is a great calculator to compare current and upcoming fees
[url=http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/feecalculator.html#]eBay.com : Fee Calculator[/url]

if you have any store and list a 99 cent auction that sells for $20 + $3 shipping
your fee will rise from $1.82 to $2.07

now think of that of the course of a year, and add in the cost of a $200/month store (anchor) if you want more free listings... you are paying for the listings either way, just crazy, lol

huge increases, and the increases after $50 really jump up
a $250 item goes from $11.97 to $22.77

[QUOTE=brentandbecca;4508037]THIS will not push me out by itself, but I have been looking to stop soon anyway due to so many other factors, the most important being family/time/life then their are other rising costs, and possible inet sales tax, and usps rates, and quality of products, etc....so many factors
but it is different for everyone[/QUOTE]

yeah this seems to be how alot of people feel, I kinda think that people are coming for money within the industry of cards that just isn't there. it's more'so they are trying to profit but not factoring in that there is alot of situations where it's just done with disposable income that makes it look like alot of profit, but it's really not. I think ebay and other place as well should take into account that the rip & flip isn't as "PROFITABLE" as they consider it. they are opening themselves up to a collapse when they keep raising fee's and costs. of course it will iron out and fix itself later on, but they are about to create a gap where people can't afford it pretty soon.

sorry guys for the misunderstanding - i was looking at fixed price only, not auctions. and i could have sworn it was 12% - was it ever 12% and lowered to 11%???

eBay can suck it.

Thought I saw it about Unpaid Items being opened after two days, bout halfway down the page:
[url=http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/springupdate2013/unpaiditems.html]eBay Seller Information Center: 2013 Spring Seller Update: Unpaid items[/url]

Lots of good points in this thread so far. I think what is possibly being missed is the fact that eBay doesn't focus on sports cards and probably didn't even think about a sports card when making these determinations. I have no idea what the eBay market break down is, but I'm guessing sports cards isn't their largest money maker, althrough I'm sure it's a notable one. It would be interested to see how the changes are affecting other major eBay sales areas since there is no doubt it's screwing over many in the sports card side of things.

The 50 free BID listings are awesome for me, as I've been not listing much because I hate auctions. Although the free scheduled auctions will also be awesome for the rare times I do want to auction things. I'm happy with these changes, but I'm a small seller.

Seems like a great opportunity for many to try out [url=http://www.collectorrevolution.com/]Home Page - Collector Revolution[/url]. No fees under $5 and max 5% fee on all sales. I've been selling a bunch over there and traffic is really picking up.

[QUOTE=jubjub47;4508773]Seems like a great opportunity for many to try out [url=http://www.collectorrevolution.com/]Home Page - Collector Revolution[/url]. No fees under $5 and max 5% fee on all sales. I've been selling a bunch over there and traffic is really picking up.[/QUOTE]

I just signed up for this site. Thinking about moving a few of my Ebay listings over there. How long have you been on the site. What price point of cards have you sold over there. Feel free to pm me so we dont take this thread offtopic.

Here comes the blitz of .99 BIN cards again. Ebay continues to see-saw between Auction and BIN but every time they increase the fees for people who want to make more than 70 cents.

Looking for advice: at what point does it make fiscal sense to "open a store?" I don't make a living selling cards, but I put in a fair amount of free time and make decent money selling. I'm just curious to see if I could save money on fees. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=JohnRyno;4508873]Looking for advice: at what point does it make fiscal sense to "open a store?" I don't make a living selling cards, but I put in a fair amount of free time and make decent money selling. I'm just curious to see if I could save money on fees. Any help is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

pm BrentandBecca I'm sure they could tell you which way to go.

It seems like every month they run a promotion for free listings. I just wait for those at this point unless a new case of something is released that I'm trying to rip and flip.

A couple weeks ago they did a promotion of up to 2500 items, and then another one for up to 500 items just ended. I just keep turbolister loaded and wait for the promotions.

The real change eBay needs to make is to automatically include "-rize" in every search.

[QUOTE=speedmasterp;4508709]Lots of good points in this thread so far. I think what is possibly being missed is the fact that eBay doesn't focus on sports cards and probably didn't even think about a sports card when making these determinations. I have no idea what the eBay market break down is, but I'm guessing sports cards isn't their largest money maker, althrough I'm sure it's a notable one. It would be interested to see how the changes are affecting other major eBay sales areas since there is no doubt it's screwing over many in the sports card side of things.[/QUOTE]

correct, and it is not as large as you think as I have been told by ebay reps that ebay does not even appreciate sports cards as much as the avg sell thru % and avg sales price is too low, they like the bigger items, and this KILLS bigger items across the board, plus makes them earn monthly fees to sell on their site up front if doing any volume

do not be fooled by free listings, you are still paying for them and even some you may not use, and like a cell phone plan if you go over, the costs are stepper now

[QUOTE=Jim's cards;4508807]Here comes the blitz of .99 BIN cards again. Ebay continues to see-saw between Auction and BIN but every time they increase the fees for people who want to make more than 70 cents.[/QUOTE]

actually, you may be right, but ebay is hoping with no tiered fees that people will start prices out much higher, and was a big reason to move listings from 10 cents to 25 cents for auctions this was to encourage higher min bids and can help some sellers if they do so

[QUOTE=brentandbecca;4509067]actually, you may be right, but ebay is hoping with no tiered fees that people will start prices out much higher, and was a big reason to move listings from 10 cents to 25 cents for auctions this was to encourage higher min bids and can help some sellers if they do so[/QUOTE]

I'm confused. Wouldn't lowering the listing fee make people start at a higher price? When I have free listings, I always start close to where I expect it to be.

[QUOTE=jubjub47;4508773]Seems like a great opportunity for many to try out [url=http://www.collectorrevolution.com/]Home Page - Collector Revolution[/url]. No fees under $5 and max 5% fee on all sales. I've been selling a bunch over there and traffic is really picking up.[/QUOTE]

if only the traffic grows, people have said this about other places too, and I 100% support them but they will need time and advertising and traffic, and non-card traffic too which does help many times with mainstream media items in card act like Strasburg, Harper, Rally Squirrel

I hope these places only grow but then often their costs/fees increase as well
(for a site like CR, and right now there are like 40 Topps heritage listings and they are at higher prices than eBay are....or for COMC, they can't get new products listed at release...so while these other sites are good and will grow they each work differently and can fill gaps that ebay may have or may soon have...that is cool, but if doing volume it is not easy to keep up with so many sites and emails and inventory etc, right now ebay is the main setup, but maybe not always)

eBay is still best option just stinks to see such a huge rate increase for some, BUT for those that don't rip/flip and take time to sell, fixed priced on many items is better now, so it balances for those folks, just kills auctions which is what made ebay 'ebay' to being with

[QUOTE=HadWayTooMuch;4509085]I'm confused. Wouldn't lowering the listing fee make people start at a higher price? When I have free listings, I always start close to where I expect it to be.[/QUOTE]

that is what I just said :)

[QUOTE=brentandbecca;4509067]actually, you may be right, but ebay is hoping with no tiered fees that people will start prices out much higher, [B]and was a big reason to move listings from 10 cents to 25 cents for auctions this [/B]was to encourage higher min bids and can help some sellers if they do so[/QUOTE]



Sorry, but I interpreted this as saying listings were 10 cents and moved to 25 cents.

Did I miss something?

[QUOTE=HadWayTooMuch;4509127]Sorry, but I interpreted this as saying listings were 10 cents and moved to 25 cents.

Did I miss something?[/QUOTE]

the listing fee is moved down for any items $10 and above as it is now a flat fee regardless of starting point
And hence why moving it UP from 10 cents helps encourage higher priced listings instead of 99 cents as if you list at 99 cents you lose much of that to listing fee, but less as you price higher, and also no penalty for listing higher now

hopefully that better explains it

[QUOTE=brentandbecca;4509162]the listing fee is moved down for any items $10 and above as it is now a flat fee regardless of starting point
And hence why moving it UP from 10 cents helps encourage higher priced listings instead of 99 cents as if you list at 99 cents you lose much of that to listing fee, but less as you price higher, and also no penalty for listing higher now

hopefully that better explains it[/QUOTE]

Actually, that was a question I had that I didn't feel was clear. So all auctions are now $.25 and you can list "free" at any starting price. That helps a bit. Should be interesting but again, they just keep giving us nickels and dimes and taking away the quarters I guess.

[QUOTE=HadWayTooMuch;4509187]Actually, that was a question I had that I didn't feel was clear. So all auctions are now $.25 and you can list "free" at any starting price. That helps a bit. Should be interesting but again, they just keep giving us nickels and dimes and taking away the quarters I guess.[/QUOTE]

yes, correct
it does help on starting prices above $10

[QUOTE=brentandbecca;4509067]actually, you may be right, but ebay is hoping with no tiered fees that people will start prices out much higher, and was a big reason to move listings from 10 cents to 25 cents for auctions this was to encourage higher min bids and can help some sellers if they do so[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the BIN free listing fee makes it possible to post .99 and 1.99 cards without taking a major loss on the front end. I honestly don't think you will see an influx of higher listings as ebay had the free Auction/BIN combo already going.

[QUOTE=Jim's cards;4509287]Yeah but the BIN free listing fee makes it possible to post .99 and 1.99 cards without taking a major loss on the front end. I honestly don't think you will see an influx of higher listings as ebay had the free Auction/BIN combo already going.[/QUOTE]

yes, if you don't have a store
but if you have a store you are paying a monthly sub for the free listing AND still paying for the BIN fee while paying more % for the sell

Looks like I'm late to this party, but I was up last night running simulations on the new fees and nearly every simulation I ran, both high and low end card sales, resulted in a fee increase. This talk that low-end sellers are getting a break is nonsense. I've run the numbers every which way and I don't see ANY decrease in overall fees if you are a seller who does more than 150 sales per month. Yes, there is a small decrease in overall fees for items $6.50 and under, but once a basic store owner crosses 150 sales, the insertion fees double and will more than eat away whatever you saved early on.

[B]In other words, the ONLY card sellers who benefit here are those that sell cards for 0.99-$6.50 and sell less than 150 cards per month. If that doesn't sound like you, then you are seeing an increase.[/B] The fact that the AP ran with this story in a positive manner tells you the lack of independent research done on their end before making eBay look like God.

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[B]In other words, the ONLY card sellers who benefit here are those that sell cards for 0.99-$6.50 and sell less than 150 cards per month. If that doesn't sound like you, then you are seeing an increase.[/B] The fact that the AP ran with this story in a positive manner tells you the lack of independent research done on their end before making eBay look like God.[/QUOTE]


Not necessarily true. I am a current basic store subscriber running all of my listings as fixed price. My final value fees will be going down on anything I sell that is about $80 or under (which is the vast majority of my listings), I will save up to $30 per month in listing fees, and my 151st+ listing each month is staying exactly the same.

The only fee increases I'll see are on higher dollar items, but my overall savings per year will likely be at least $300... enough to offset the cost of my store subscription with $100+ savings leftover.

I realize I'm probably in the minority, but these fee changes look like they were designed to save me money!

[QUOTE=ohiomike;4527499]Not necessarily true. I am a current basic store subscriber running all of my listings as fixed price. My final value fees will be going down on anything I sell that is about $80 or under (which is the vast majority of my listings), I will save up to $30 per month in listing fees, and my 151st+ listing each month is staying exactly the same.

The only fee increases I'll see are on higher dollar items, but my overall savings per year will likely be at least $300... enough to offset the cost of my store subscription with $100+ savings leftover.

I realize I'm probably in the minority, but these fee changes look like they were designed to save me money![/QUOTE]

Ah I see. I was running auction numbers. Fair enough. If a seller is running a traditional fixed-price listing store with no auctions, then yes I can see where money is being saved, but those of us running traditional auctions are all getting huge increases. You are probably in the minority because you were willing to be patient and sell cards in a store despite higher fees (you do pay a lot more fees for fixed price than auction as of today), whereas most card sellers are trying to make quick auction money. Now, it appears auctions and foxed price listings will be relatively equal, albeit a huge increase for auctions.

I may have the perfect store model going into this.

Been selling inserts & parallels at $2.93-$5.95 with free shipping. I have a feeling ebay is going to hate me & this model is going to catch on very well. I put up little to no auctions & sell about 60-75 items a month from my store.

I may actually be one of the few saving money and it might be worthwhile my time listing a few $3.95 base lots soon to push towards my free listing quota.