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hitman1116 01-05-2013 03:00 AM

crunching more numbers. Case 1 for Boomo which was the "free" case. ( I still think he just put the price of the case to the rest of the people in the other cases).

Let me know if you think the numbers are inaccurate. These are based off of recent eBay listings. Of course the memorabilia who knows if or when it will go out.

Box 1

PSA 10 2011 Topps Update Mike Trout
$36 to $100 = $68 average

Nolan Ryan 16 x 20 Signed Photo
I’ll say $85 benefit of the doubt

2008 Upper Deck X Evan Longoria BGS 10
$8 for a similar product

1959 Fleer Ted Williams Card 56 PSA 8
15 to 25 on ebay

So $186 on Box 1

Box 2

1967 Topps Roberto Clemente PSA 8
$200

Ultimate Collection Joe DiMaggio, Derek Jeter, Reggie Jackson blah blah 6 pc. Jersey
Similar 6 way sold for $65

“Heroic Ticket”= worthless

2010 Allen and Ginter Buster Posey BGS 10
.99 cent Raw, $18 last one sold as Gem 10

So $283

Box 3

Mickey Mantle signed 8 x 10 JSA
$150

Babe Ruth Legends of the Game letter patch /10
Out of /50 sells for $10

“Heroic Ticket” = worthless

2005 Leather and Lumber Ted Williams Bat card
$20

So $200 maybe.

So in 3 boxes if we go off of the 2k a case price Boomo was selling it for you would get back $683, or a 64% loss.

CM Sports Memorabilia 01-05-2013 05:52 AM

Both the autographed Mantle and Ryan JSA photos will go for a little more than that. Nicely matted and framed and you would have a nice product that could bring double/triple of the price you're stating.

Having said that and reading most of the thread-

CRAP- you've got to be kidding me!!!! Some People...:eek:

tonedef2oo8 01-05-2013 09:13 AM

[QUOTE=C&M Sports Memorabil;3957284]Both the autographed Mantle and Ryan JSA photos will go for a little more than that. Nicely matted and framed and you would have a nice product that could bring double/triple of the price you're stating.

Having said that and reading most of the thread-

CRAP- you've got to be kidding me!!!! Some People...:eek:[/QUOTE]


[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantle-Signed-B-W-8x10-Photo-JSA-Certified-Auto-Vintage-Signature-/380533997541?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item589997ffe5]Mickey Mantle Signed B w 8x10 Photo JSA Certified Auto Vintage Signature | eBay[/url]

And then you go to michales crafts and buy a frame and matte for 15-25 bucks. No way does that demand several hundred dollars more.

jtrinaldi 01-05-2013 10:45 AM

[QUOTE=tonedef2oo8;3957473][url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantle-Signed-B-W-8x10-Photo-JSA-Certified-Auto-Vintage-Signature-/380533997541?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item589997ffe5]Mickey Mantle Signed B w 8x10 Photo JSA Certified Auto Vintage Signature | eBay[/url]

And then you go to michales crafts and buy a frame and matte for 15-25 bucks. No way does that demand several hundred dollars more.[/QUOTE]
Michaels is a rip off
go here for frames
[url=http://www.wholesaleposterframes.com/index.php]Wholesale Poster Frames - Movie Poster Frame Supplier and Custom Picture Framing. - WholesalePosterFrames.com[/url]

normally for 16x20's with UV protected class,and a double matte, it is close to $60. Michaels wanted close to $800

Cynner007 01-05-2013 11:02 AM

This is a very disturbing product.

Is there a checklist? A sell sheet? Do we know what the better hits are? There website says nothing about the product itself, simply about the points competition. There is no "fine print" when it comes to the the legalities of the promotion.

Who's to say that phantom individuals wont have the most points on a weekly basis and guarantee that no one really wins the prizes.

There is also little to no effort in this product. Buy cards, send to Beckett (who appears to be a partner, or at the very least a strong supporter) and insert into boxes. Although its possible that the Beckett sales department agreed to promote/discuss the product in exchange for a large buy of ad space

Also, in my opinion, this company is too new to have so many redemptions and run such a high end promotion with the point prizes.

MadHandle11 01-05-2013 01:41 PM

Those comments on the Beckett box break are ridonkolous! They say the same thing over and over (good product, exciting to not know what's inside) and sound like they are written by the same person. Everything about this product screams STAY AWAY!

jcmint 01-05-2013 01:46 PM

dude your pricing is worthless. A raw posey goes for 1.00 so a bgs 10 goes for the same. Longo bccg=bgs 10. Come on with this already. At least give a fair value. I agree the product sucks but quote some accurate pricing

[QUOTE=hitman1116;3957112]crunching more numbers. Case 1 for Boomo which was the "free" case. ( I still think he just put the price of the case to the rest of the people in the other cases).

Let me know if you think the numbers are inaccurate. These are based off of recent eBay listings. Of course the memorabilia who knows if or when it will go out.

Box 1

PSA 10 2011 Topps Update Mike Trout
$36 to $100 = $68 average

Nolan Ryan 16 x 20 Signed Photo
I’ll say $85 benefit of the doubt

2008 Upper Deck X Evan Longoria BGS 10
BCCG 10 raked in $8 of a similar product

1959 Fleer Ted Williams Card 56 PSA 8
15 to 25 on ebay

So $186 on Box 1

Box 2

1967 Topps Roberto Clemente PSA 8
$200

Ultimate Collection Joe DiMaggio, Derek Jeter, Reggie Jackson blah blah 6 pc. Jersey
Similar 6 way sold for $65

“Heroic Ticket”= worthless

2010 Allen and Ginter Buster Posey BGS 10
.99 cent Raw

So $266

Box 3

Mickey Mantle signed 8 x 10 JSA
$150

Babe Ruth Legends of the Game letter patch /10
Out of /50 sells for $10

“Heroic Ticket” = worthless

2005 Leather and Lumber Ted Williams Bat card
$20

So $200 maybe.

So in 3 boxes if we go off of the 2k a case price Boomo was selling it for you would get back $666, or a 66% loss.[/QUOTE]

nikpounder 01-05-2013 03:36 PM

In order to get a different perspective on this product, I wrote to the support email on the Heroes website and got this reply to my message:[INDENT]
[I][QUOTE]I have some questions about your new product and was hoping you could
answer some questions. These have come up in an online forum where your
point of view has not been shared.

1) How will the redemptions be handled?
- We are going to ship redemptions out as fast as we can. On more expensive small to mid sized items we will be shipping via Fedex overnight. On less expensive small to mid sized items we will be shipping via Fedex two day. Larger items like bats and framed pictures will typically be shipped via Fedex ground. We may in certain circumstances overnight a larger item if it is really valuable. We take pride in striving to have the best possible redemption program.

2) What are the odds of getting any specific item being auctioned or
redeemed?
- First off, there is nothing that will be auctioned. We had our website built by [url]www.simpleauctionsite.com[/url] who is the biggest auction website builder. There are still a few spots that need to be edited on the site, but it should be corrected by next week.

- Only memorabilia will be given out in the form of redemptions. All regular sized cards will be placed inside our boxes or given away as weekly or Grand Finale Prizes.

3) Can you tell me what your long term goals are for this product?
- This product will basically expire in 4 and a half months on May 22nd, 2013 as that is when our Grand Finale Prizes take place.[/QUOTE][/I][/INDENT]

Tugarpj 01-05-2013 03:50 PM

Looks like they dodged question number 2.

death2redemptions 01-05-2013 04:15 PM

I wonder how much money those Heroic Tickets will sell for on E-Bay

Tugarpj 01-05-2013 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;3959575]I wonder how much money those Heroic Tickets will sell for on E-Bay[/QUOTE]

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SerialKilnWalkr 01-05-2013 04:25 PM

Question #3 essentially the goal is to take everyone for a ride until May 2013 until these Grand Finale Prizes take place in which those who win are I am sure are predetermined "ghosts."

After said Prizes another "well thought out" plan for another "well put together" product is thrown out on the market, filled with more said "very valuable" eBay product, for another cash grab for the second part of 2013 that will amount to nothing for the buyers but disappointment.

Rinse and repeat.

hitman1116 01-05-2013 06:39 PM

[QUOTE=jcmint;3958746]dude your pricing is worthless. A raw posey goes for 1.00 so a bgs 10 goes for the same. Longo bccg=bgs 10. Come on with this already. At least give a fair value. I agree the product sucks but quote some accurate pricing[/QUOTE]

ok so a BGS 10 Posey goes for $18.

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-topps-allen-ginter-294-p-BUSTER-POSEY-rookie-BGS-BCCG-10-/360497819404?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item53ef582f0c]2010 Topps Allen Ginter 294 P Buster Posey Rookie BGS BCCG 10 | eBay[/url]

A BGS 10 of a different product for Longoria sold for $8

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-bowman-chrome-draft-27-EVAN-LONGORIA-rookie-BGS-BCCG-10-graded-psa-beckett-/271099652645?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3f1ecc6a25]2008 Bowman Chrome Draft 27 Evan Longoria Rookie BGS BCCG 10 Graded PSA Beckett | eBay[/url]

Will add the $25 dollars I missed.

Ryan T. 01-05-2013 06:56 PM

[QUOTE=hitman1116;3960547]ok so a BGS 10 Posey goes for $18.

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-topps-allen-ginter-294-p-BUSTER-POSEY-rookie-BGS-BCCG-10-/360497819404?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item53ef582f0c]2010 Topps Allen Ginter 294 P Buster Posey Rookie BGS BCCG 10 | eBay[/url]

A BGS 10 of a different product for Longoria sold for $8

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-bowman-chrome-draft-27-EVAN-LONGORIA-rookie-BGS-BCCG-10-graded-psa-beckett-/271099652645?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3f1ecc6a25]2008 Bowman Chrome Draft 27 Evan Longoria Rookie BGS BCCG 10 Graded PSA Beckett | eBay[/url]

Will add the $25 dollars I missed.[/QUOTE]

BCCG does not in any way equal BGS.

Tugarpj 01-05-2013 06:58 PM

Beckett runs both of them don't they?

hitman1116 01-05-2013 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=Ryan T.;3960690]BCCG does not in any way equal BGS.[/QUOTE]

Ah didn't know that.

Longo 9.5 BGS go from $2.21 to $32 (for a Topps Chrome Refractor)..

PSA 10 Longoria goes for $10

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Upper-Deck-X-Evan-Longoria-94-RC-PSA-10-GEM-Mint-Tampa-Bay-Rays-Rookie-/181030418896?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2a2640f9d0]2008 Upper Deck x Evan Longoria 94 RC PSA 10 Gem Mint Tampa Bay Rays Rookie | eBay[/url]

Can we agree on that pricing with the PSA?

Ryan T. 01-05-2013 07:05 PM

[QUOTE=hitman1116;3960756]Ah didn't know that.

Longo 9.5 BGS go from $2.21 to $32 (for a Topps Chrome Refractor)..

PSA 10 Longoria goes for $10

[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Upper-Deck-X-Evan-Longoria-94-RC-PSA-10-GEM-Mint-Tampa-Bay-Rays-Rookie-/181030418896?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2a2640f9d0]2008 Upper Deck x Evan Longoria 94 RC PSA 10 Gem Mint Tampa Bay Rays Rookie | eBay[/url]

Can we agree on that pricing with the PSA?[/QUOTE]

PSA 10 = BGS 9.5 which are both >>>>> BCCG 10

a BGS 10 is Pristine, which carries a decent premium above a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10.

Just trying to be fair.

hitman1116 01-05-2013 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=Ryan T.;3960768]PSA 10 = BGS 9.5 which are both >>>>> BCCG 10

a BGS 10 is Pristine, which carries a decent premium above a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10.

Just trying to be fair.[/QUOTE]

ok so being fair, can we give the value at $15. That's 1.5 times the amount of the 9.5 or PSA 10. Or even $20 would be fine with me. Still keeps that whole box under $200 and the case well over a 60% loss even if memorabilia gets sent out.

And while I feel like this isn't a terrible loss considering you could easily do this 5 times a week with any number of products from Panini and Topps and Upper Deck, the whole premise that this product is going to truly give you the value you paid for it makes me want to puke. I don't think the big card companies advertise that, but this one it is pretty much their mission statement.

death2redemptions 01-05-2013 07:12 PM

I just don't understand why anyone would get a 2012 Topps Chrome Ichiro graded...

Tugarpj 01-05-2013 07:21 PM

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;3960826]I just don't understand why anyone would get a 2012 Topps Chrome Ichiro graded...[/QUOTE]

If the grading was being done for free...

death2redemptions 01-05-2013 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=Tugarpj;3960868]If the grading was being done for free...[/QUOTE]

That's true, still I could care less about owning a BGS 10 of a non-auto/non-relic/non serial #d base card (unless it were like a popular rookie or prospect) Just seems like a punch in the face to pull that.

Andrew Jones 01-05-2013 07:36 PM

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;3960826]I just don't understand why anyone would get a 2012 Topps Chrome Ichiro graded...[/QUOTE]

So you can put it in an ugly box and charge close to $100 for it.

death2redemptions 01-05-2013 07:41 PM

[QUOTE=Andrew Jones;3960977]So you can put it in an ugly box and charge close to $100 for it.[/QUOTE]

Would an Ichiro base card really sell for more than it cost to get it graded if it turned out to be a BGS 10? I mean I understand they carry a premium but for a card like that it couldn't be too much

Tugarpj 01-05-2013 07:45 PM

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;3961011]Would an Ichiro base card really sell for more than it cost to get it graded if it turned out to be a BGS 10? I mean I understand they carry a premium but for a card like that it couldn't be too much[/QUOTE]

The question is would anyone be interested in it for any kind of premium. Only a few supercollectors maybe.

mgsenny 01-06-2013 03:28 PM

So this is how Live Case Break will be breaking this product, which is totally fair. It's actually better than fair and you will most likely get something.


The format for the break will be done as a 6 spot team draft with 1 box of Heroes of the Game and 1 box of 2012 Bowman Sterling Baseball for $149.99 per spot. The reasons we selected Bowman Sterling Baseball are many, but some of them are that the product has 18 hits, so the likelihood of someone getting skunked is very low and it gives representation to some teams that may not be as well represented in the Game of Heroes product. Now, I am sure some of you are saying "what team will memorabilia redemptions go to?" If there is a team visible or noted on the piece of memorabilia, it will be awarded to that team (photo, hat, jersey, etc). If there is no team noted or visible on the memorabilia, and the player was active during the 2012 season, it will go to the team that the player ended the 2012 season with. If the player is retired, it will go to the team that the player played the most number of games with during their career. Franchises that have been moved or discontinued will be traced to their modern day franchise.

As an example, the Nolan Ryan photo where he was giving a good ol spanking to Robin Ventura would be awarded to the Rangers, as it is a Nolan Ryan 8x10 photo. There would not be a random between the Rangers and White Sox.



Plus, if the memorabilia redemption isn't filled for whatever reason. LCB will refund you your purchase in the break and keep whatever bowman sterling cards you pulled if you so choose. So basically it'll be like you didn't even purchase a spot in the break. If you ask me, this is probably one of the best ways this product can be broken. And any golden tickets pulled will be randomed amongst the 6 entrants.


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