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dreamweaver1984 05-14-2011 12:05 AM

Some tips to not getting ripped off by people
 
[QUOTE=bboi30;1410787]Hey guys. Lately we've seen quite a few higher dollar scams rolling through here, and in the interest of protecting the members I took some time out to think about the best ways to stop one and done scams. Here is a list of tools to help keep you from being scammed by donkeys who like to rip people off.

1. When trading anything high dollar ( I would say 50+ dollars or 100+) then use a middle man.This is hands down the best way to get a high dollar transaction done, and require the middle man to make a video of both items coming in for verification should there be an issue later.

This person would receive the card from both parties and then ship out to both parties. It takes longer, but is well worth it, and I would only use this option with people with a 100+ feedback rating that both people trust. Just pay for the guy to ship for you on both ends and maybe a card for his trouble and everyone is happy.

2. Make a video. I only have had a few high dollar transactions both here and on ebay, and those times I showed the card going into the package along with the front and back of the card in the video, along with the mailing address of where it is going. This way should a problem arise you at least have some sort of evidence. It's not much really, but it may help a dispute.

3. NEVER erase PM's until your transaction is complete. Also if you have not already done so then link your PM's to your email so that should you want to erase your PM's for some reason you still have a record of the transaction.

4. Always Insure it. If it's over 50 bucks in my opinion it needs insurance. Some people here can't afford it so the few bucks is worth it rather than getting the shaft. bottom line: DON'T BE CHEAP. It's only a few dollars and 99% of us have that or we wouldn't be here. Even if you know the member your package can get lost in the mail so insure it no matter what.

5. Get signature confirmation. Another way to further protect yourself. If the guy signed for it he will have a hard time explaining that he didn't get it.

6. Great idea provided by Tyler: Use a hologram sticky over your top loader to protect against switching of cards. If thee hologram is broken you got had. Here is a link provided by Tyler.

[URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5335829740&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5335829740%26toolid%3D10001%26mpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Fcampid%253D5335829740%2526toolid%253D10001%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcgi.ebay.com%25252Fws%25252FeBayISAPI.dll%25253FViewItem%252526item%25253D330571424512%252526ssPageName%25253DSTRK%25253AMEWAX%25253AIT%252523ht_500wt_1156"]http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Security-Warranty-Hologram-Label-Stickers-/330571424512?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1156[/URL]

7. Great idea added by iluvfish2: Communicate in a PROFESSIONAL manner. It's a trade or sale so although many of us become friends, it's still a transaction and should be treated as such. Bad communication= bad deal.

8. Consider other means of protecting yourself. The last few scams got me to thinking about ways to protect myself from scammers. I am currently looking into bar codes. It looks like you can get them pretty cheap and possibly may protect you further.

9. Added by SJ Scout: If you do not know the person, try to finalize the trade over the telephone. ( this assures your not talking with a 12 year old and also gives you future contact info)

10. Added by SJ Scout: Tell them you would like their actual email address to confirm.

11. Added by SJ Scout: it doesnt hurt to get facebook info....even add them as a friend....can't hurt.

You can never fully protect yourself from thieves as they are everywhere, but I hope these things help you in making better high end deals. I just get mad when anyone here gets ripped off. Steams me up.

If you have ideas post them in this thread and lets bump it often to remind people to follow good trading practices.[/QUOTE]



Steps to avoid getting ripped off:

Im posting this because it seems there is a big influx of scammers out there..(and no iv never had that happen cause i follow these rules.) - i posted part of these things in other places before
Please Post anything you feel would help as well.

as a seller:
ONLY accept Paypal or Cash (no GIFT paypal payments either)
Ship Through Paypal (print the label from paypal) it automatically includes deliv conf.
on any order you make, agree to a price on the card, then the price on shipping and insurance. Typically shipping 1-10 cards will cost around 1.90, insurance will run in the 2-4 dollars depending on the card, Agree on somewhere from 2-6 dollars in Shipping/Insurance cost. (lower value cards dont really need insurance)

Buyers and sellers alike should look for this to be standard for the seller you are dealing with. If anything seems strange walk away.

If a buyer is not willing to pay extra to make sure you get insurance on a valued card walk away. if a seller is not willing to send a card with insurance and deliv confirmation walk away.

these things are common sense, but everyone wants to save a buck or 2. if you cant afford to pay a extra 2.00 to make sure buyer sends and seller receives without a hitch, you shouldnt be dealing cards anyway.


MOST OF ALL FOLLOW UP: as a buyer and seller follow up with those you do business with.. i am currently doing a deal on here for some rookie basketball cards, ask when they plan to ship, and to send a tracking # when they ship and to give it to you so you can track the package as well.

I know it might seem crazy to follow up with people you buy or sell to/from, but you should.

Regardless if paypal makes more money than they deserve dont cheat the system, your only cheating yourself. If someone asks me to pay as gift, the only way i will, is if i have done lots of business with them already.

in the event that something goes wrong NEVER make personal threats.
give people time (approx 3-4 days to get a response to you) before opening a case on paypal.

Be respectful of the other persons time as well as your own.

pmannings#1fan 05-14-2011 12:21 AM

I follow up by PM & making sure my DC# wasn't lying to me To ensure the buyer/trader got it for sure, it also helps to remind em to leave feedback if they didn't alreay lol!!! All good points & thanks for the thread....

dreamweaver1984 05-14-2011 01:45 AM

Great tip as well, and i like ur sig lol

TheHeel 05-14-2011 07:32 AM

Great article...should be a sticky

BostonNut 05-14-2011 08:41 PM

Great article...I would also add to just use your common sense and trust your instincts.

Also, if the person types like this:

[I]i lik ur cardz want 2 trad 4 sum of min?[/I]

then I generally try to stay away.

WCTYSON 05-14-2011 08:48 PM

[QUOTE=BostonNut;1300114]Great article...I would also add to just use your common sense and trust your instincts.

Also, if the person types like this:

[I]i lik ur cardz want 2 trad 4 sum of min?[/I]

then I generally try to stay away.[/QUOTE]

Good point. If they have a hard time communicating, stay away. :)!

kajshack 05-14-2011 09:12 PM

Just to clarify - the responsibility of "fees" should not fall on the buyer. There is nothing I hate more than having an offer countered by the seller for an extra couple of bucks to "cover my fees." Horsesh!t. If we only deal in "goods" payments, build the "fees" into your asking price.

pmannings#1fan 05-14-2011 09:38 PM

[QUOTE=kajshack;1300202]Just to clarify - the responsibility of "fees" should not fall on the buyer. There is nothing I hate more than having an offer countered by the seller for an extra couple of bucks to "cover my fees." Horsesh!t. If we only deal in "goods" payments, build the "fees" into your asking price.[/QUOTE]

I think if the seller say GOODs & DLVD in his thread then it should be clear as crystal!!!!! I consider the fees as a cost in business just printing paper, bubble mailers & tape are a cost of business. Plus it's BOLD in my signature!!

dreamweaver1984 05-15-2011 07:54 AM

[QUOTE=pmannings#1fan;1300282]I think if the seller say GOODs & DLVD in his thread then it should be clear as crystal!!!!! I consider the fees as a cost in business just printing paper, bubble mailers & tape are a cost of business. Plus it's BOLD in my signature!![/QUOTE]

Ya, each seller can make his own determination on how fees work, ie, and those costs.

I just wrote out the steps i take, you can make your own determinations as a seller. alot of people do write DLVD or goods+shipping.

dreamweaver1984 05-15-2011 07:58 AM

[QUOTE=kajshack;1300202]Just to clarify - the responsibility of "fees" should not fall on the buyer. There is nothing I hate more than having an offer countered by the seller for an extra couple of bucks to "cover my fees." Horsesh!t. If we only deal in "goods" payments, build the "fees" into your asking price.[/QUOTE]

As a seller, i dont charge for the price of supplies, or anything of that nature, just the cost of actually shipping and insurance if it applies.

Im sry if you hate it when a seller wants the buyer to cover at least part of the costs involved, but honestly, the seller is taking all the risk because if the cards get lost in the mail then the seller loses out and has to refund the money to the buyer.

cking 05-15-2011 08:25 AM

Another piece of advice I can give is to be careful of dealing with people who post for sale threads and you say you want something from there thread and they dont respond to the thread or your pm requesting there paypal addy for 3 days, yet they are online the whole time. If it takes someone 3 days to respond to a pm imagine how long it will take them to mail something out. I will never understand why someone would go through the trouble of scanning, pricing and making a sale thread and then not respond to anyone who shows intrest. That makes no sense whatsoever.

56LightsOut56 05-15-2011 09:33 AM

This is your friend.

[url=http://www.rolbe.com/paypal4.htm]PayPal Fee Calculator by Ryan Olbe[/url]

dreamweaver1984 05-15-2011 06:25 PM

+1 56lights and cking

kajshack 05-16-2011 12:20 AM

[QUOTE=dreamweaver1984;1301022]As a seller, i dont charge for the price of supplies, or anything of that nature, just the cost of actually shipping and insurance if it applies.

Im sry if you hate it when a seller wants the buyer to cover at least part of the costs involved, but honestly, the seller is taking all the risk because if the cards get lost in the mail then the seller loses out and has to refund the money to the buyer.[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood my post. I was specifically talking about exchanges like this (which are extremely common on this board):

Seller: "I have X card for sale. $100 dlvd OBO"
Me: "Would you take $90 for it?"
Seller: "Sure, send gift payment to x@x .com."
Me: I don't send gift"
Seller: "Then could you kick in $8 to cover the fees and delivery?"

dreamweaver1984 05-16-2011 02:25 AM

[QUOTE=kajshack;1303414]I think you misunderstood my post. I was specifically talking about exchanges like this (which are extremely common on this board):

Seller: "I have X card for sale. $100 dlvd OBO"
Me: "Would you take $90 for it?"
Seller: "Sure, send gift payment to x@x .com."
Me: I don't send gift"
Seller: "Then could you kick in $8 to cover the fees and delivery?"[/QUOTE]



I see what ur saying, and you raise a good point, and as long as buyers continue to "ask for gift payments" this will be a issue, Mabye a rule on this site should be NO GIFT Payment requests allowed. if they are asking for 8 dollars to cover fees and deliv then that is also rediculas. (i would say for a 90 dollar card fees and shipping wont be over 2.50-3.50 (even with insurance)

Regardless All Listings Should be listed As IF they are Regular Payments through Paypal, and it can be at the Buyers discretion to use gift if they want to give the seller a break because they have done some deals with them in the past, the seller should never request it though.

jtayne1323 06-05-2011 11:09 PM

Ok well here is probably an uncommon question, but what do you do, or can you do, if you forgot to get delivery conformation, i'm new to this and i just shipped somthing for the first time the other day , got insurrance and everything but it was all a lil overwhelming and I forgot to get DC. I'm pretty sure the guy i'm dealing with is honest, but whats to stop him from saying that they never came, even if i did buy insurrance

jtayne1323 06-05-2011 11:11 PM

Oh heres the kicker, I sent the cards First and have no recieved payment, I sent because I already had several people ask me to do so because i had no feed back, so as a new user what was i suposed to do thought it was the way to good feedback

ManInTheMirror 06-05-2011 11:12 PM

[QUOTE=jtayne1323;1359649]Ok well here is probably an uncommon question, but what do you do, or can you do, if you forgot to get delivery conformation, i'm new to this and i just shipped somthing for the first time the other day , got insurrance and everything but it was all a lil overwhelming and I forgot to get DC. I'm pretty sure the guy i'm dealing with is honest, but whats to stop him from saying that they never came, even if i did buy insurrance[/QUOTE]
I use DC like 5% of the time and I have yet to ever have any problems. I do only deal with members I trust but honestly that is most of the people around here! Good luck and I'm sure it will work out fine.

mwheeler27 06-05-2011 11:13 PM

If you bought insurance, you should be able to check that it was delivered as insurance has it's own tracking. At least that's how I understand it.

I wouldn't worry about it getting there. Hopefully you get paid once your cards arrive.

WCTYSON 06-06-2011 12:11 AM

As a seller, there is not need to send first. The buyer is protected through payapl. Now if you are trading on here, the common practice is that you would send first on a trade to a member with high feedback. If the card/s are less than $100 dollars I do not usually bother with the insurance unless requested but I always do delivery confirmation on items over $10. That is for the buyer and sellers safety.

jtayne1323 06-06-2011 01:26 PM

Yeah understood which i've been told that before. The first few days on here i was aproached by alot of guys that were trying to buy but get me to send first. I should have known somthing was up but thats ok i saved all my messages for the deal and should be able to make negative feedback stick on this guy

XL5 06-06-2011 01:31 PM

[QUOTE=mwheeler27;1359659]If you bought insurance, you should be able to check that it was delivered as insurance has it's own tracking. At least that's how I understand it.

I wouldn't worry about it getting there. Hopefully you get paid once your cards arrive.[/QUOTE]

This is correct, insurance includes delivery confirmation. You should be able to track it exactly the same as if you had DC.

bboi30 06-24-2011 07:02 PM

Tips & Ideas on how to handle high dollar transactions (TRADES) & not get ripped off!
 
Hey guys. Lately we've seen quite a few higher dollar scams rolling through here, and in the interest of protecting the members I took some time out to think about the best ways to stop one and done scams. Here is a list of tools to help keep you from being scammed by donkeys who like to rip people off.

1. When trading anything high dollar ( I would say 50+ dollars or 100+) then use a middle man.This is hands down the best way to get a high dollar transaction done, and require the middle man to make a video of both items coming in for verification should there be an issue later.

This person would receive the card from both parties and then ship out to both parties. It takes longer, but is well worth it, and I would only use this option with people with a 100+ feedback rating that both people trust. Just pay for the guy to ship for you on both ends and maybe a card for his trouble and everyone is happy.

2. Make a video. I only have had a few high dollar transactions both here and on ebay, and those times I showed the card going into the package along with the front and back of the card in the video, along with the mailing address of where it is going. This way should a problem arise you at least have some sort of evidence. It's not much really, but it may help a dispute.

3. NEVER erase PM's until your transaction is complete. Also if you have not already done so then link your PM's to your email so that should you want to erase your PM's for some reason you still have a record of the transaction.

4. Always Insure it. If it's over 50 bucks in my opinion it needs insurance. Some people here can't afford it so the few bucks is worth it rather than getting the shaft. bottom line: DON'T BE CHEAP. It's only a few dollars and 99% of us have that or we wouldn't be here. Even if you know the member your package can get lost in the mail so insure it no matter what.

5. Get signature confirmation. Another way to further protect yourself. If the guy signed for it he will have a hard time explaining that he didn't get it.

6. Great idea provided by Tyler: Use a hologram sticky over your top loader to protect against switching of cards. If thee hologram is broken you got had. Here is a link provided by Tyler.

[url]http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5335829740&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D330571424512%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT%23ht_500wt_1156[/url]

7. Great idea added by iluvfish2: Communicate in a PROFESSIONAL manner. It's a trade or sale so although many of us become friends, it's still a transaction and should be treated as such. Bad communication= bad deal.

8. Consider other means of protecting yourself. The last few scams got me to thinking about ways to protect myself from scammers. I am currently looking into bar codes. It looks like you can get them pretty cheap and possibly may protect you further.

9. Added by SJ Scout: If you do not know the person, try to finalize the trade over the telephone. ( this assures your not talking with a 12 year old and also gives you future contact info)

10. Added by SJ Scout: Tell them you would like their actual email address to confirm.

11. Added by SJ Scout: it doesnt hurt to get facebook info....even add them as a friend....can't hurt.

You can never fully protect yourself from thieves as they are everywhere, but I hope these things help you in making better high end deals. I just get mad when anyone here gets ripped off. Steams me up.

If you have ideas post them in this thread and lets bump it often to remind people to follow good trading practices.

mmbtvs 06-24-2011 07:23 PM

I love you so much bboi!!!

bboi30 06-24-2011 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=mmbtvs;1410830]I love you so much bboi!!![/QUOTE]

Thank you sir. :D


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