My Solution for fake PSA slabs
 

We all know how now a days scammers can crack open psa cases and replace an authentic card with a fake, and then sell it. It occurred to me that psa should take super high def scans every card they grade, when you search the cards id number the scan would show up. I think it would be extremely difficult for someone to recreate the exact right wear and printing errors on a vintage card, and centering on all cards. It would also show if the case had any frosting when it was made so there would be no doubt that it was cracked. Do you think this would work?

Can anyone show me an opened lighthouse slab that is intact? Because cracking cards out of them to resubmit is like breaking into a safe.

Arthur

[QUOTE=GoldPanner;14311991]We all know how now a days scammers can crack open psa cases and replace an authentic card with a fake, and then sell it. It occurred to me that psa should take super high def scans every card they grade, when you search the cards id number the scan would show up. I think it would be extremely difficult for someone to recreate the exact right wear and printing errors on a vintage card, and centering on all cards. It would also show if the case had any frosting when it was made so there would be no doubt that it was cracked. Do you think this would work?[/QUOTE]

Frosting on a case when PSA scans- So if the owner drops it or it gets roughed up in shipping it's no doubt cracked? What it PSA causes the damage post scan?

This is possible just not practical (without incurring a higher cost). They are slow/backed up now. Imagine them scanning, uploading and saving all that info. They would need to do the back as well. It would increase costs which they will pass to us.

Better solution....stop treating PSA grades/slabs as credible when it comes to high-value cards of hot players.

The reality is that 99% of the problems that happen with grading companies occur either with high-value easily altered/faked cards, or cards where people are willing to pay a premium for a PSA 10.

You don't hear about too many problems with PSA 8 1975 Topps Reggie Jackson cards, for example.....:D

if you've ever opened a lighthouse slab, you would know how much harder they are to open and they totally shatter from the force needed to pry them apart. when you separate them, between shards and pieces broken off and frosting, its impossible to keep them intact enough to reseal them and make them look original.

[QUOTE=dictoresno;14312243]if you've ever opened a lighthouse slab, you would know how much harder they are to open and they totally shatter from the force needed to pry them apart. when you separate them, between shards and pieces broken off and frosting, its impossible to keep them intact enough to reseal them and make them look original.[/QUOTE]

I’d tend to believe this unless someone shows proof of a switch happening

[QUOTE=kyleuk21;14312258]I’d tend to believe this unless someone shows proof of a switch happening[/QUOTE]

They're probably still working on it. Give it a couple years.

[QUOTE=kyleuk21;14312258]I’d tend to believe this unless someone shows proof of a switch happening[/QUOTE]

ive cracked a few of the newer lighthouse slabs and they shatter like crazy. pieces of them go everywhere and I seriously needed to torque some with a screwdriver to get them apart. there is no way to properly keep the new ones intact and look non frosted.

More likely:

Someone creates imitation slabs
Cracks open a legitimate card
Seals counterfeit card and slip into imitation slab

We have counterfeit cards coming out of China, I'm sure they can mold a piece of plastic.

[QUOTE=dictoresno;14312243]if you've ever opened a lighthouse slab, you would know how much harder they are to open and they totally shatter from the force needed to pry them apart. when you separate them, between shards and pieces broken off and frosting, its impossible to keep them intact enough to reseal them and make them look original.[/QUOTE]

The thing is I’ve seen psa slabs with some iconic vintage card in it and the label says it’s the original but the seller is selling it as a probable reprint

[QUOTE=GoldPanner;14312312]The thing is I’ve seen psa slabs with some iconic vintage card in it and the label says it’s the original but the seller is selling it as a probable reprint[/QUOTE]

probably the older pre 2006 slabs right

I’m new (not new but getting back into cards after many many years) and the one thing that was stressed to me years ago was to buy the card, not the grade in the case.


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Why can't they just put a plastic tape seal on the top and bottom. Like those ones that Topps had where if you peal it off, it leaves the words Topps on the plastic. I would think the technology is there to heat seal the case with that type of plastic.

[QUOTE=dictoresno;14312243]if you've ever opened a lighthouse slab, you would know how much harder they are to open and they totally shatter from the force needed to pry them apart. when you separate them, between shards and pieces broken off and frosting, its impossible to keep them intact enough to reseal them and make them look original.[/QUOTE]

THIS.

I've actually stopped cracking the lighthouse slabs because the odds of damaging the card are too great. I only use a mitre saw now to cut the top part and then both sides. Anyone that has any doubts about the PSA slab, just go ahead and crack one open. You'll see.

Arthur

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But your certainly not the firt to come up with this simple idea.

[QUOTE=vwnut13;14312311]More likely:

Someone creates imitation slabs
Cracks open a legitimate card
Seals counterfeit card and slip into imitation slab

We have counterfeit cards coming out of China, I'm sure they can mold a piece of plastic.[/QUOTE]

A majority of those fake slabs, cards and holders are coming from Mexico, not China. And yes, I am being dead serious.

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THAT. IS. FUNNY!

thanks!

Ok, I'll ask. What is a lighthouse slab?

[QUOTE=mouschi;14315321]Ok, I'll ask. What is a lighthouse slab?[/QUOTE]

when the PSA logo is two toned and reflective like this

[IMG]https://blowoutbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/label-callouts-back.png?w=636&h=224[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Fql1MVfl.png[/IMG]

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7eMC2eZs6NE[/url]

[QUOTE=HarryLime;14312091]Can anyone show me an opened lighthouse slab that is intact? Because cracking cards out of them to resubmit is like breaking into a safe.

Arthur[/QUOTE]



Excuse the noob question, but how would I tell the difference between a lighthouse slab and a non-lighthouse slab?

There seem to be price ranges based on grades, then further broken down into the time period it was graded (half grades, or no?) and then again based on the case it’s in.

Holy smokes.

Is there a known serial number that roughly marks the beginning of the “newest” PSA version?

[QUOTE=DaRitz;14315336]Excuse the noob question, but how would I tell the difference between a lighthouse slab and a non-lighthouse slab?

There seem to be price ranges based on grades, then further broken down into the time period it was graded (half grades, or no?) and then again based on the case it’s in.

Holy smokes.

Is there a known serial number that roughly marks the beginning of the “newest” PSA version?[/QUOTE]

not lighthouse
[IMG]https://bbcemporium.com/images/MJ%20Counterfeit%20Guide/gen9front.JPG[/IMG]

lighthouse

[IMG]https://bbcemporium.com/images/MJ%20Counterfeit%20Guide/gen10front.JPG[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DaRitz;14315336]Excuse the noob question, but how would I tell the difference between a lighthouse slab and a non-lighthouse slab?

There seem to be price ranges based on grades, then further broken down into the time period it was graded (half grades, or no?) and then again based on the case it’s in.

Holy smokes.

Is there a known serial number that roughly marks the beginning of the “newest” PSA version?[/QUOTE]



The newest lighthouse labeled cards started coming to market in June 2017, roughly around certs beginning with 27400000. Recently, bulk sellers have been forced to use some of the older hologram labels so every now and then you will see newer certs (for example, anything current 27500000-4240000) but has an older label. According to a bulk seller I spoke with yesterday, PSA forced them to use them because they know they are a bulk seller and had no choice. But those are still current graded cards and I believe still use the same holder, just different label.


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[QUOTE=vwnut13;14312311]
We have counterfeit cards coming out of China, I'm sure they can mold a piece of plastic.[/QUOTE]

Counterfeit cards are coming from everywhere, including America. It would be naive to think the counterfeiting/trimming/altering don't happen in the US, but only in other countries.