All-Time Basketball Semifinal Voting - Houston vs. Golden State
 

[B][SIZE="4"]Poll will run through Friday
This is a head to head matchup
Vote on who you think would win a 7 game series[/SIZE][/B]

[B][U][SIZE="5"]Houston Rockets[/SIZE][/U][/B]

[B][U]Starters[/U][/B]

[B]PG: Ben Simmons[/B] (6'10,230) (Australian)- 2x All Star, ROY, A specimen and facilitator that creates mismatches with his size and driving ability. Threat to triple double in every match-up. Assists, penetration and defense.
[B]SG: Drazen Petrovic[/B] (6'5,195) (Croation)- Hall of Famer.One of the most dangerous perimeter shooters of his time. Important pioneer that dramatically influenced International players to the NBA. Perimeter shooting and X-factor.
[B]SF: Giannis Antetokounmpo[/B] (6'11,242) (Greek)- 2019 MVP, All-NBA First Team and 2xAll-NBA Second Team,All-Defensive First Team, All-Defensive Second Team, 4x All-Star. Generational talent that can play any position. Focus of offense.
[B]PF: Anthony Davis [/B](6'10,253) (American)- 3xAll-NBA First Team,All-Defensive First Team,2xAll-Defensive Second Team, 7x All Star, 3xNBA Blocks Champ. Double-double career average.2012 Olympic Gold. Offensive and Defensive force.
[B]C: Dikembe Mutombo[/B] (7'2, 245) (Congolese)- Hall of Famer. 4xDefensive Player of the Year,3xAll-NBA,6xAll-Defensive Team,3x Block Champ,2x Rebound Champ. Defensive prowess.

[B][U]Bench[/U][/B]

[B]PG: Ricky Rubio[/B] (6'3,190) (Spanish)- All-Rookie. Will get the ball to who needs it. Averages 7.8 assists per game over career.Offensive facilitator.
[B]G: Steve “Ice” Kerr[/B] (6'3, 175) (American)- 5x NBA Champion as a player. Highest 3-Point percentage in NBA history. Perimeter shooting.
[B]SG: Latrell Sprewell[/B] (6'5,190) (American)- All-NBA First Team,All-Defensive Second Team,All-Rookie,4xAll-Star. Offensive prowess.
[B]F: Anthony Mason [/B](6'7, 250) (American)- Sixth Man of the Year, All-NBA Third Team, All-Defensive Second Team. All-Star. Finished Top 15 twice in MVP voting.Toughness and defense
[B]PF: Lauri Markannen [/B](7'0,240) (Finnish)- Capability to pull double-doubles nightly. Stretch 4 and Stretch 5.
[B]PF: Serge Ibaka[/B] (7'0 235) (Congolese)- 3xAll-Defensive First Team,2xBlock Champion, NBA Champion. Mt. Mutombo calls him his little brother. Stretch 4 and Defensive prowess.
[B]C: DeAndre Jordan[/B] (6'11, 265) (American)- All-NBA First Team,2x All-NBA Third Team, 2xAll-NBA Defensive First Team,All-Star,2xRebound Champion. Defense and Rebound Machine

[B][U]Coach[/U][/B]

[B]John Kundla[/B]- Hall of Fame Coach, NBA at 50 Top 10 Coach,5x NBA Champion,4x All-Star Game Coach,College Basketball Hall of Fame, World War II Veteran.

[B][U]Overview[/U][/B]

The Rockets AKA "Monstars" are a perfect blend of elite offense paired with ferocious defense. We start with 6’10 PG mismatch Big Ben facilitating to upper echleon offensive forces. The focus is the generational talent and unstoppable Greek Freak paired with the relentless Anthony Davis in the post. Deadly perimeter shooter Drazen Petrovic sets up outside ready for the kick out. On the other side of the floor, the Monstars tenacious defense is anchored by 4x Defensive Player of the Year Mount Mutombo with All-Defensive First Team players,The Brow and Giannis in support. What sets my team apart are the high caliber players on the bench ready to compete. Subs include Sixth Man of the Year Anthony Mason and another facilitator in Rubio. Offensive weapons Kerr and Spree are available to drop from downrange when needed. 7’0 Serge or 7’0 Lauri come off the bench to add “splash” and match-up issues at Stretch 4 or 5. DeAndre completes the team with superior rebounding and defense. This team is a problem for players of any era. Basketball has an influence that stretches the globe. With players from multiple countries, my team epitomizes how the NBA has impacted the world.

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[U][B][SIZE="5"]Golden State Warriors[/SIZE][/B][/U]

[B][U]Starters[/U][/B]

[B]SG – Michael Jordan[/B] The GOAT can do is all and is one of the greatest clutch players on both offense and defense.
[B]PG – Lenny Wilkens[/B] 50th Anniversary Team member and a nine-time All-Star who has been inducted to the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame three times.
[B]SF – George Gervin[/B] Iceman - One of the most feared shooters in both NBA and ABA history, averaging over 26 point per game for his NBA career.
[B]PF – Draymond Green[/B] Defensive stud who is a consistent triple-double threat who can do everything; defend, move the ball around, shoot, you name it.
[B]C – Robert Parish[/B] Has no weaknesses; an unstoppable turn around shot, was a consistently tough defender who owned the boards.

[B][U]Bench[/U][/B]

[B]SG – Bill Sharman[/B] HOF'er won twelve titles, and was one of the most accurate shooting guards, leading league in free throw percentage a record seven years.
[B]PG – Jo Jo White[/B] HOF'er played in a franchise record 488 consecutive games and led the Celtics to multiple Championships in the 1970’s.
[B]SF – George Yardley[/B] HOF'er was first player in NBA history to score over 2,000 points in a season, was All-Star every year of his career except his rookie season
[B]PF – Buck Williams[/B] Williams was a career double-double player and was one of the greatest defenders of his era, earning NBA All-Defensive honors four times.
[B]C – Hassan Whiteside[/B] Led league in rebounding in 2017 and led league in blocks in 2018, is both a fearsome defender, earning NBA All-Defensive honors.
[B]C/PF – Maurice Stokes[/B] HOF'er won NBA ROY, was NBA All-Star and All-NBA Team honors each year of his career, and averaging a stunning 17.3 RPG and 16.4 PPG.
[B]PG – Don Buse[/B] One of the most tenacious defenders of his era, six times Don Buse was named to the NBA and ABA All-Defensive Team.

[B][U]Coach[/U][/B]

[B][U]Tom Heinsohn[/U][/B] - Only person to have been involved with each of Celtics 17 championships, winning two titles as a Head Coach, taking home Coach of Year honors.

[B][U]Overview[/U][/B]

I wanted my starting five to be filled with players who led the league in scoring (MJ and Gervin) won NBA DPOY (MJ and Green) and could dominate the boards (Green and Parish) as well as facilitate ball movement (Green, MJ and Wilkens). My bench is extremely deep with Hall of Famers (Stokes, Sharman, White, Yardley), defensive standouts (Buse, Williams, Whiteside) extraordinary scorers (Sharman, White, Yardley) and champions. Many players, as well as my coach, have championship pedigrees and know how to win titles. My starting five alone averaged nearly 100 ppg have a stunning 13 NBA titles combined to their names. My bench also has the ability to score from anywhere and play exceptional defense. Spearheaded by Michael Jordan, I feel this is the most balanced, deepest and dominant team in the league.

Jordan would rip those non shooting kids soft heart out with ease ,

GSW in a sweep and an average margin of victory of 20.

Can you just imagine this backcourt matchup:

[B]Wilkins/Jordan vs Simmons/Petrovic
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Just that is going to be 50 to 10. Honestly an All-Time backcourt vs. one that I wouldn't wish on any team. Now GSW are up 40.

Frontcourts:
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Iceman/Draymond/Parrish vs Giannis/Davis/Mutumbo[/B]

Fairly even. Mutumbo is a non-factor. Draymond slows down one of Giannis/AD. Gervin get's his.

These starting lineups really aren't fair. I think the Rockets bench can make up for some of the scoring discrepancy of the starters, but not enough to pull out any games.

I’m going with the rockets more dominant

Really thought this one would be closer

I thought about adjusting the lineup but save for Jordan, who any team can only hope to contain because he's impossible to stop,

[B]1. 6'11 Ben Simmons would destroy 6'1 Lenny Wilkens. [/B] Iso all day, Big Ben would score 30 or have 20 assists.

2. As great as Draymond is on defense, keeping AD under 25 will be a task. H2H matchup stats has AD outscoring Draymond by 15 and pulling more boards and blocks.

3. 6'7 Gervin vs 6'11 Giannis is a better matchup but who is more likely to score 30 points?

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;15886299]I thought about adjusting the lineup but save for Jordan, who any team can only hope to contain because he's impossible to stop,

1. 6'11 Ben Simmons would destroy 6'1 Lenny Wilkens.

2. As great as Draymond is on defense, keeping AD under 25 will be a task. H2H matchup stats has AD outscoring Draymond by 15 and pulling more boards and blocks.

3. 6'7 Gervin vs 6'11 Giannis is a better matchup but who is more likely to score 30 points?[/QUOTE]

With Ben Simmons and Mutumbo both clogging up the lane, how will AD and/or Giannis score?

Look at these shot charts for these dudes career:

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This team isn't going to run any half court offense, they'd literally run an offense with spacing around the paint. Hell, I didn't even add Mutumbo's which is similar to Ben Simmons. This would never work against any team, let alone this GSW that's been assembled.

Move Mutombo to the top of the key? When was it an absolute the Center had to stay under the basket on offense? But with your breakdown, they'd destroy the Warriors on transition. Fastbreak offense? I think they could do it.
AD averaged 3.5 3PA per game, he'll be ok on the perimeter but it goes to show, how the heck are the Warriors supposed to stop these guys?

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;15886403]Move Mutombo to the top of the key? When was it an absolute the Center had to stay under the basket on offense? But with your breakdown, they'd destroy the Warriors on transition. Fastbreak offense? I think they could do it.[/QUOTE]

Go ahead and move him outta the paint. What's he gonna do? Shoot? His man will still camp by the basket and live with the result.

[QUOTE=PKIPP;15886419]Go ahead and move him outta the paint. What's he gonna do? Shoot? His man will still camp by the basket and live with the result.[/QUOTE]

That's why I have 2 Stretch 4's on the bench. Serge and Lauri can shoot the trey. Oh and AD plays the 4 AND 5...........:flex:

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;15886403]Move Mutombo to the top of the key? When was it an absolute the Center had to stay under the basket on offense? But with your breakdown, they'd destroy the Warriors on transition. Fastbreak offense? I think they could do it.
AD averaged 3.5 3PA per game, he'll be ok on the perimeter but it goes to show, how the heck are the Warriors supposed to stop these guys?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PKIPP;15886419]Go ahead and move him outta the paint. What's he gonna do? Shoot? His man will still camp by the basket and live with the result.[/QUOTE]

Exactly this!

What do you do, just keep Simmons and Mutumbo extended beyond the 3. Be my guest!!!

Forget 3 point shooting, although the starters on the Rockets don't exactly have that in spades, do you realize how easy this team is to defend?

I can have almost every defender in the paint. Ball movement now is completely stagnant because what do I care if Simmons and Giannis just whip the ball around the three point line on offense? They won't shoot, and if they do the team isn't scoring enough. Mutumbo is completely neutralized on the offensive end because you can't even feed him the ball with my guys all in the paint.

So yes, the offensive game plan would be to have AD and Petrovic jack 3's because you can't create any other offense in the half court. Best of luck!

No joke, it would be the worst offense we've ever seen on an NBA court. Great players, absolutely. But a combo of Simmons/Giannis/Mutumbo just doesn't work.

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;15886475]

What do you do, just keep Simmons and Mutumbo extended beyond the 3. Be my guest!!!

Forget 3 point shooting, although the starters on the Rockets don't exactly have that in spades, do you realize how easy this team is to defend?

I can have almost every defender in the paint. Ball movement now is completely stagnant because what do I care if Simmons and Giannis just whip the ball around the three point line on offense? They won't shoot, and if they do the team isn't scoring enough. Mutumbo is completely neutralized on the offensive end because you can't even feed him the ball with my guys all in the paint.

So yes, the offensive game plan would be to have AD and Petrovic jack 3's because you can't create any other offense in the half court. Best of luck!

No joke, it would be the worst offense we've ever seen on an NBA court. Great players, absolutely. But a combo of Simmons/Giannis/Mutumbo just doesn't work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;15886448]That's why I have 2 Stretch 4's on the bench. Serge and Lauri can shoot the trey. Oh and AD plays the 4 AND 5...........:flex:[/QUOTE]

I raise you my bench :)

But yeah, there are others ways to score aside from half-court basetball

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;15886488]I raise you my bench :)[/QUOTE]

I agree the bench is better, but I don't think it does enough. Just my opinion.

Those shot charts....yikes!

I would love to see a team like this in real life just to watch. No GM wants to pair Giannis/Simmons in today's NBA though. Then if I'm like "hey we'll have those 2 and add a DJ/Whiteside/Howard-esque center" I'd be fired.

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;15886503]I agree the bench is better, but I don't think it does enough. Just my opinion.

Those shot charts....yikes!

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Big Ben and Giannis cant be stopped going to the basket. AD is actually pretty balanced. Otherwise, it's apparent that the higher field goal percentage is going to be closer to the basket.

[QUOTE=PKIPP;15886419]Go ahead and move him outta the paint. What's he gonna do? Shoot? His man will still camp by the basket and live with the result.[/QUOTE]

Exactly this

Crazy big swing back to Houston in the polls

Just pull guys off the bench if somehow Big Ben and Mutombo become liabilities. What Guards are able to take 6'11 Giannis nevermind Ben?

1. Giannis
2. Steve Kerr
3. Latrell Sprewell
4. Serge Ibaka
5. Anthony Davis

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;15886299]I thought about adjusting the lineup but save for Jordan, who any team can only hope to contain because he's impossible to stop,

[B]1. 6'11 Ben Simmons would destroy 6'1 Lenny Wilkens. [/B] Iso all day, Big Ben would score 30 or have 20 assists.

2. As great as Draymond is on defense, keeping AD under 25 will be a task. H2H matchup stats has AD outscoring Draymond by 15 and pulling more boards and blocks.

3. 6'7 Gervin vs 6'11 Giannis is a better matchup but who is more likely to score 30 points?[/QUOTE]

Gervin. He would abuse Giannis.

[QUOTE=rats60;15887383]Gervin. He would abuse Giannis.[/QUOTE]

I didn't see him play but without any All-Defensive team selections, I believe it would be the opposite. Giannis is a 2x All-Defensive team selection and will probably get a third selection and second MVP. His length is a problem for anyone.

ROCKETS, SON! MJ gonna get locked up by Simmons/Giannis. Imagine screening one and running into the other. Good luck.

The Rockets give me a headache, and Simmons may be the most overrated player in the draft. Is he any better than Brandon Ingram?

GSW in 6.

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[QUOTE=theLUCKYshow;15887567]The Rockets give me a headache, and Simmons may be the most overrated player in the draft. Is he any better than Brandon Ingram?

GSW in 6.

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2021-2022 we will talk again. The year of the GOAT, Ben Simmons.

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GS by a hare.

Both squads leave a lot to be desired in terms of shooting/floor spacing. While AD and Giannis 'can' knock down the midrange and 3...that's not their bread and butter. Having 4 out of your 5 starters being just inches shy of being 7 footers seems like a bit of a logistical nightmare. That's a lot of bodies down low vying for shots/position.

Also; free throw %.

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