Fact or Opinion - your input is requested...
 

Everything I mention here must fall into 1 of 2 categories- [B]fact or opinion[/B]. None can be both, and none can be neither - I will leave space between each so can pick one to quote ( or all if you’d like ), and[U] tell us these 2 things about each statement[/U] :

~ Fact or Opinion?
~ Why?



1. Baseball cards are not an investment


2. A PSA graded Mint 9 card [U]is[/U] Mint


3. Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame one day


4. Buying prospects in the hopes they are a success at the MLB level, with the intent of receiving financial gain, is a form of gambling


5. There will, at some point in the future, be at least one other statistical all-time, Top 10 MLB player



6. Babe Ruth is an Iconic Baseball Legend



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This.

~ Baseball cards are not an investment

[B]OPINION[/B]. Clearly there are people that are “investing” in baseball cards. Now, whether that is right or wrong (or smart or dumb) is a point of conversation.


~ A PSA graded Mint 9 card is Mint

[B]OPINION[/B]. That whole industry is based on opinion.

~ Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame one day

[B]FACT[/B]. If Harold Baines can make it and Trout somehow doesn’t, that whole place needs a purge.

~ Buying prospects in the hopes they are a success at the MLB level, with the intent of receiving financial gain, is a form of gambling

[B]FACT[/B]. Most of the hobby is lottery based.

~ There will, at some point in the future, be at least one other statistical all-time, Top 10 MLB player

[B]FACT[/B]. Someone always comes along with the consistency and longevity to become a generational player.

~ Babe Ruth is an Iconic Baseball Legend

[B]FACT[/B]. Even people who don’t know a thing about baseball have heard of Babe Ruth.

All opinions

[QUOTE=HRoark;16717309]All opinions[/QUOTE]

Winner.

We may all share the same opinions about some of them, but it doesn't make it a fact. What if Trout gets caught roiding and we find out he is a pedophile? Think he still makes the HOF? I doubt it.

PS. And for the record I think he is clean and most likely not attracted to children. Just making a point.

they really need to teach epistemology in schools.

[QUOTE=VandyCards;16717368]they really need to teach epistemology in schools.[/QUOTE]


“e·pis·te·mol·o·gy
/əˌpistəˈmäləjē/

nounPHILOSOPHY
the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion.”

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[QUOTE=cardsin47;16717260]Everything I mention here must fall into 1 of 2 categories- [B]fact or opinion[/B]. None can be both, and none can be neither - I will leave space between each so can pick one to quote ( or all if you’d like ), and[U] tell us these 2 things about each statement[/U] :

1. Fact or Opinion?
2. Why?



~ Baseball cards are not an investment


~ A PSA graded Mint 9 card [U]is[/U] Mint


~ Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame one day


~ Buying prospects in the hopes they are a success at the MLB level, with the intent of receiving financial gain, is a form of gambling


~ There will, at some point in the future, be at least one other statistical all-time, Top 10 MLB player



~ Babe Ruth is an Iconic Baseball Legend



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Technically, everything except #5 is an opinion. And #5 is a fact only because the future is infinite.

[QUOTE=Skipscards;16717457]Technically, everything except #5 is an opinion. And #5 is a fact only because the future is infinite.[/QUOTE]

.... and what if you claim that #5 is a fact, but is actually an opinion? ~~ .... ( which it is )

Sports cards are an investment is a fact. Right now it is a bad investment IMO, but you can't argue otherwise. An investment is the hope that an asset will appreciate. Cards are assets and people have lots of hope...

[QUOTE=cardsin47;16717455]“e·pis·te·mol·o·gy
/əˌpistəˈmäləjē/

nounPHILOSOPHY
the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion.”

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I’m aware of what it means.

“Each of these statements must be a fact or an opinion” is nails on a chalkboard to me.


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If the grading is done accurately, and by specific agreed upon standards, it is fact, not opinion.

[QUOTE=signed79;16717680]If the grading is done accurately, and by specific agreed upon standards, it is fact, not opinion.[/QUOTE]

Part of PSA's grading process is subjective and based upon the grader's opinion. This is written in the description of how PSA cards are graded. So any grade given is part fact and part opinion. Objective and subjective criteria are both used.

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“Each of these statements must be a fact or an opinion” is nails on a chalkboard to me.
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Why ? ( seriously ).... if I say .... virtually anything, like “this is a great Beer” —- how could that be anything other than a fact or opinion? What would be other options not covered by those 2 categories?

[QUOTE=discodanman45;16717712]Part of PSA's grading process is subjective and based upon the grader's opinion. This is written in the description of how PSA cards are graded. So any grade given is part fact and part opinion. Objective and subjective criteria are both used.[/QUOTE]

Correct. This is a way to give them an out on liability and is a poor excuse for their lazy attempt at grading. Also meant to increase revenue with resubs. Marketed beautifully to those who are gamblers vs collectors.

Edit to add that it's pretty pathetic people hand money to them for opinions vs facts.

[QUOTE=signed79;16717728]Correct. This is a way to give them an out on liability and is a poor excuse for their lazy attempt at grading. Also meant to increase revenue with resubs. Marketed beautifully to those who are gamblers vs collectors.

Edit to add that it's pretty pathetic people hand money to them for opinions vs facts.[/QUOTE]

I actually grade and like their service. For $12 I like to have certain cards graded and to keep in my collection. I agree with the majority of grades they give as well. For modern cards I think it is nonsense to grade, but for older cards there is a place for it. As a collector I sell PSA 10 cards and cards I think are over graded. The premiums on certain grades is insanity, but people love POP reports.

[QUOTE=signed79;16717680]If the grading is done accurately, and by specific agreed upon standards, it is fact, not opinion.[/QUOTE]
Or it could be a mechanical error... right, 2x Montana RCs given PSA 10s by mistake?

1. Baseball cards are not an investment

[b]opinion[/b] I think they are investments, anything can be considered an investment


2. A PSA graded Mint 9 card is Mint

[b]opinion[/b] -- I think PSA 9's are mint, but this is PSA's opinion and those that subscribe to it.

3. Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame one day
[b]fact[/b] If he retired today he's there.

4. Buying prospects in the hopes they are a success at the MLB level, with the intent of receiving financial gain, is a form of gambling
[b]fact[/b] Everyone is hunting the next trout, most prospect cards peak before they ever hit mlb

5. There will, at some point in the future, be at least one other statistical all-time, Top 10 MLB player
[b]fact[/b] Baseball on a time scale hasn't been around that long, and has a long way to go, it is FACT that at some point there will be a player who will hit these marks.

6. Babe Ruth is an Iconic Baseball Legend
[b]fact[/b] I mean, it's the babe.

Buying the right baseball cards as an investment is fact. Pretty much anything post 2011 is gambling. No different than the stock market which is why the top 500 blue chip cards have outperformed the S&P

[QUOTE=joey_peapod;16717997]Pretty much [B]anything post 2011 is gambling[/B].[/QUOTE]

Why this year (2011) as a cut-off?

1. Baseball cards are not an investment
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: They are for some and not for others[/COLOR]

2. A PSA graded Mint 9 card [U]is[/U] Mint
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: based on their educated opinion[/COLOR]

3. Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame one day
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: He may be but it's not a done deal (Barry Bonds was a sure thing for many years)[/COLOR]

4. Buying prospects in the hopes they are a success at the MLB level, with the intent of receiving financial gain, is a form of gambling
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: Labeling that as gambling does the same for the stock market, your choice of colleges, etc.[/COLOR]

5. There will, at some point in the future, be at least one other statistical all-time, Top 10 MLB player
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: yet to be determined so can't be fact[/COLOR]

6. Babe Ruth is an Iconic Baseball Legend
[COLOR=DarkRed]Fact: He's established a large reputation in our culture[/COLOR]
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IMHO,
Vinny :)!

[QUOTE=VinnyH;16718775]1. Baseball cards are not an investment
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: They are for some and not for others[/COLOR]

2. A PSA graded Mint 9 card [U]is[/U] Mint
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: based on their educated opinion[/COLOR]

3. Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame one day
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: He may be but it's not a done deal (Barry Bonds was a sure thing for many years)[/COLOR]

4. Buying prospects in the hopes they are a success at the MLB level, with the intent of receiving financial gain, is a form of gambling
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: Labeling that as gambling does the same for the stock market, your choice of colleges, etc.[/COLOR]

5. There will, at some point in the future, be at least one other statistical all-time, Top 10 MLB player
[COLOR=darkred]Opinion: yet to be determined so can't be fact[/COLOR]

6. Babe Ruth is an Iconic Baseball Legend
[COLOR=DarkRed]Fact: He's established a large reputation in our culture[/COLOR]
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IMHO,
Vinny :)![/QUOTE]

I think barry bonds has other factors keeping him out f the hall, I don't think Trout will have an allegation of roids

[QUOTE=cardsin47;16717260]Everything I mention here must fall into 1 of 2 categories- [B]fact or opinion[/B]. None can be both, and none can be neither[/U]

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Unfortunately several of your questions can be either or neither.

Why either? For instance, #1 can be situationally one or the other. So without qualification it can be either a fact, or opinion.

Why neither? Some can be answered in such a way a third response is possible: it is false.


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[QUOTE=cardsin47;16717260]Everything I mention here must fall into 1 of 2 categories- [B]fact or opinion[/B]. None can be both, and none can be neither - I will leave space between each so can pick one to quote ( or all if you’d like ), and[U] tell us these 2 things about each statement[/U] :

~ Fact or Opinion?
~ Why?



1. Baseball cards are not an investment


2. A PSA graded Mint 9 card [U]is[/U] Mint


3. Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame one day


4. Buying prospects in the hopes they are a success at the MLB level, with the intent of receiving financial gain, is a form of gambling


5. There will, at some point in the future, be at least one other statistical all-time, Top 10 MLB player



6. Babe Ruth is an Iconic Baseball Legend



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1. Bad opinion. Baseball cards are a great investment.

2. Fact

3. Fact. 3x MVP is a lock for the HOF.

4. Opinion. While there is an element of luck, there is a lot of skill involved.

5. Opinion. There is no guarantee.

6. Fact.