Westbrook & the Triple-Double
 

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I think its time to talk about Russell Westbrook and his incredible ability to churn out triple-doubles. The man is a special, once in a generation talent whether you like it or not.

Westbrook has 174 career triple-doubles, now just 7 shy of Oscar Robertson's NBA record of 181. Anytime you are close to beating an NBA record held by a man sporting a black and white pic, you are greatness.

Lets address this (sigh) phony 'narrative' that triple-doubles don't mean anything anymore and are easy to achieve. This false narrative popped up around the time Russ started lodging them at a frenetic pace, and I'm guessing was pushed by a bunch of people that don't like him, and who aspire to downplay his incredible play, and almost superhuman basketball feats with the intensity and passion we seldom see in today's players. Is it a coincidence that greats like MJ, Kobe and AI said there fav current player is...

Now, there is truth in that the pace of todays game has increased which allows for more possessions hence more opportunities to accumulate stats BUT not any old Tom, Dick or Harry can go out in a professional NBA basketball game and dominate with the trip-dub, let alone get them back to back or holy mackerel average one for A WHOLE SEASON. Lebron James doesn't tally them as frequently as you might expect, and one day I'm expecting Luka might come close to challenging the record.

Of course, this will give the sour dogs a chance to vomit out some type of vitriol such as he is a stat-padder, ball hog, career loser or one of the most comical I recently came across was 'good for himself but not his team.'

I'm not exactly sure what the winning % is on his Triple-Doubles with the Wiz, I briefly saw a stat flash across the screen during today's games that they started 0-5 when he tallies but I'm guessing that % has improved dramatically and the overall winning % for his career is very high...

We see you Russ...

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I’m a Westbrook guy myself. He’s a one of a kind player I agree.

But is he a top 20 player of all time? No.

[QUOTE=Derekbauer;17256714]
But is he a top 20 player of all time? No.[/QUOTE]

I don't see where Rustywest said he was anywhere in that post

Derekbauer never said rusty said that, as far that goes.


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[QUOTE=PKIPP;17256723]I don't see where Rustywest said he was anywhere in that post[/QUOTE]

I believe “once in a generation talent” should put him in the top 20. How many generations of the nba are there?

He’s not even in the top 5 of this “generation”

[QUOTE=Derekbauer;17256731]I believe “once in a generation talent” should put him in the top 20. How many generations of the nba are there?

He’s not even in the top 5 of this “generation”[/QUOTE]

Fair point, but I took him saying the "once in a generation talent" meant as far as his ability to get triple doubles like Oscar Robertson, and as he mentioned Luka will probably end up the same way.

I didn't think he was saying it like he's with lebron or Stephen curry.

[QUOTE=Derekbauer;17256731]I believe “once in a generation talent” should put him in the top 20. How many generations of the nba are there?

[B]He’s not even in the top 5 of this “generation”[/B][/QUOTE]

Now how could you be a Westbrook guy and then come out with this?

I never intended this to morph into a top whatever number greatest player thing but since I said once in a generation and [B]you went there and fibbed[/B], my interpretation being every decade or so, makes... James, Durant, Curry, Westbrook are generational talents for 'your list' and don't forget we have been spoiled with this crop... Harden(?) could squeak in but his ethic. Leonard (??) Paul (???)

Westbrook story isn't over... his durability for his play style is remarkable. LBJ like with the dedication to his body & the game ie. not out at the titty bars on days off

How many Russel Westbrook threads do we need for the one fan he has here?

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;17256783]How many Russel Westbrook threads do we need for the one fan he has here?[/QUOTE]

How about one more than the threads of bums/scrubs (speaking your language here), role players and failed prospects :)!

Did you post about RW in three separate threads in succession?


[url]https://www.nba.com/news/triple-doubles-have-become-commonplace-this-season-in-nba?amp=1[/url]

"The rate at which triple-doubles are occurring this season is an increase of nearly 700% from 9 years ago."

"Put another way, we’ve seen practically as many triple-doubles in the last five years as in the 15 seasons before that combined.

Even some players seem less-than-impressed by them these days.

“I could care less about a triple-double,” Miami’s Jimmy Butler said after he had one in last season’s NBA Finals. “We play this game to win.” "

"Here’s another example of how common the triple-double is getting: in the entirety of the 2011-12 season, only one player — Rajon Rondo, with six — had more than one of them. This season has already seen 14 players with multiple triple-doubles, a number that will almost certainly grow."

[QUOTE=rustywest;17256788]How about one more than the threads of bums, scrubs, role players and failed prospects :)![/QUOTE]

But he is a bum.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Washington had someone on this team using the $42MM other than Westbrook, they would be a top 6 team in the East.

Top XX players do not hurt teams as badly as Westbrook hurts these Wizards. Counting stats on terrible efficiency hold zero value; all it does is ensure his teammates aren't drafted in NBA fantasy leagues because they'll never see the ball.

That Westbrook has as many TD's this year as he does while being one of the worst players in the NBA will devalue the idea for a long time which is unfortunate. Pre-Westbrook, the TD was aspirational because it showed a variety of talents and most you saw were strong games. Look back at the TD's of the past and you'll see high efficiency. Look at Westbrooks and you laugh. Last week, back to back games:

5/18 w/ 8 TO's
5/17 w/ 9 TO's
Combined 5/10 from the line

That is other-worldly awful basketball but he nailed the two TD's w/ ease.

As for the "sour dogs" argument; perhaps if one were to stop creating RW threads, there would be less of a chance for people to discuss one of the current worst players in the NBA.

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;17256796]But he is a bum.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Washington had someone on this team using the $42MM other than Westbrook, they would be a top 6 team in the East.

Top XX players do not hurt teams as badly as Westbrook hurts these Wizards. Counting stats on terrible efficiency hold zero value; all it does is ensure his teammates aren't drafted in NBA fantasy leagues because they'll never see the ball.

That Westbrook has as many TD's this year as he does while being one of the worst players in the NBA will devalue the idea for a long time which is unfortunate. Pre-Westbrook, the TD was aspirational because it showed a variety of talents and most you saw were strong games. Look back at the TD's of the past and you'll see high efficiency. Look at Westbrooks and you laugh. Last week, back to back games:

5/18 w/ 8 TO's
5/17 w/ 9 TO's
Combined 5/10 from the line

That is other-worldly awful basketball but he nailed the two TD's w/ ease.

As for the "sour dogs" argument; perhaps if one were to stop creating RW threads, there would be less of a chance for people to discuss one of the current worst players in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
The only good thing about him creating thread after thread is that you always bring the gems to show how garbage he really is.

You must be chasing the all time record of Westbrook threads created.

We get it, you love the guy. Do you really need to create a new thread for it every week?

Look how people get bent out of shape when you make a thread about your favorite player doing great things... my goodness

And its the usual suspects

[QUOTE=rustywest;17256802]Look how people get bent out of shape when you make a thread about your favorite player doing great things... my goodness[/QUOTE]

Two things.

(1) You say this everytime, as if you're surprised. Perhaps you should stop being surprised.
(2) You and I have different definitions of "great things".

Imagine this: Jokic last night was awful, one of his worst on the season. He went 7-16 from the field, 5-5 from the line w/ one TO. That's him at his worst and you would be hard pressed to find a worse game from him this season. Yet Westbrook can miss 7 more shots, 4 more FT's and commit EIGHT more TO's. And he has these kinds of games regularly.

You boast about the greatness of this awful player, but fail to understand teams get the same # of possessions every night and they're limited. What you do w/ them is what creates W's and L's and Westbrook is the least efficient / high volume player the league has ever seen (to my knowledge). That he actually does have great games and does show from time to time he's capable of making better decisions and slowing down for stretches is infuriating because if he weren't always chasing the counting stats, he might just be one of the 20 greats.

But this is what we've got. Live ball TO's like the league has never seen before and a guy who's FT percentage should mean he's off the floor in the crunch. C'est la vie

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17256801]You must be chasing the all time record of Westbrook threads created.

We get it, you love the guy. Do you really need to create a new thread for it every week?[/QUOTE]

I made two Westbrook threads during the entire year of 2021?

This place is toxic

The threads were created for appreciation?

[QUOTE=rustywest;17256778]Now how could you be a Westbrook guy and then come out with this?

I never intended this to morph into a top whatever number greatest player thing but since I said once in a generation and [B]you went there and fibbed[/B], my interpretation being every decade or so, makes... James, Durant, Curry, Westbrook are generational talents for 'your list' and don't forget we have been spoiled with this crop... Harden(?) could squeak in but his ethic. Leonard (??) Paul (???)

Westbrook story isn't over... his durability for his play style is remarkable. LBJ like with the dedication to his body & the game ie. not out at the titty bars on days off[/QUOTE]



Sure you can skew the generation guidelines however you want.

I like Westbrook for his intensity, his aggressiveness, his persona, etc.

So yes I can be a Westbrook guy and still be realistic about where he lies in the hierarchy of nba history

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17256801]You must be chasing the all time record of Westbrook threads created.

We get it, you love the guy. Do you really need to create a new thread for it every week?[/QUOTE]
Yes, he is that desperate for attention. It's become one of those situations where you actually want to see Westbrook fail now because rustywest is so annoying.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;17256819]Yes, he is that desperate for attention. It's become one of those situations where you actually want to see Westbrook fail now because rustywest is so annoying.[/QUOTE]

Says the guy with 25000 posts. Now that's funny. What you say is an excellent reflection of how sad you are...

[QUOTE=rustywest;17256802]Look how people get bent out of shape when you make a thread about your favorite player doing great things... my goodness

And its the usual suspects[/QUOTE]

We need more Lebron threads IMO

Better yet, we need more Kobe anniversary threads. His death day, his birthday, 8/24, 81 point game, elementary school graduation, the day he fornicated with that woman in the hotel, etc. We should try to find a way to commemorate every day of the year in honor of Kobe.

And to be fair you literally opened this thread and said “it’s time to talk” about Westbrook being a “once in a generation talent whether you like it or not”.

I think we’re allowed to respectfully disagree with you.

I feel people will like him more after he retires.
Lost in the argument is how long will this go on, he clearly is in great shape and shows no signs of slowing down.
Saying everybody gets triple doubles and its easy to do in the NBA is only a valid argument if several players actually accomplish the same feat let alone one.
I personally like players who go 100%, I understand he isnt as efficient as you would like and his personality rubs people the wrong way, but id much rather have a guy giving it to you non stop then the new age player standing in the corner waiting for a 3.

[QUOTE=Derekbauer;17256851]And to be fair you literally opened this thread and said “it’s time to talk” about Westbrook being a “once in a generation talent whether you like it or not”.

I think we’re allowed to respectfully disagree with you.[/QUOTE]

Go for it...

And to be fair the thread was supposed to be about triple doubles, you see? The Opening line...

[QUOTE=ballhawkdawk;17256848]Better yet, we need more Kobe anniversary threads. His death day, his birthday, 8/24, 81 point game, elementary school graduation, the day he fornicated with that woman in the hotel, etc. We should try to find a way to commemorate every day of the year in honor of Kobe.[/QUOTE]

At least he won, all Westbrook has done is kill teams.