Why is football not as collectable as basketball or baseball
 

Why is Football not as valuable as Basketball or baseball... Seriously in the United States market Football is by far dominate, yet in the card market it is 3rd. Just a serious question as too why

People don't care about the NFL outside of the US & Canada.

I think it comes down to heightened injury risk and shortened careers.

Yup there isn’t much of an international market for football/. Asian market is huge for basketball.

Lots of reasons

1) Baseball is the go-to for the hobby - I suspect that will always be the case.
2) Football is largely an American only interest, basketball has fans all over the world, basketball players are all over the world.
3) Baseball and Basketball players have longer careers.
4) We get to to see the face of Baseball and Basketball players (no helmets).
5) Grown up 90s kids LOVE the basketball and associated hobbies.

So you get past Brady and Mahomes... Take JJ Watt. Amazing player, seemingly a great dude who really gave back to his community. Long term collecting prospects are VERY narrow. Very.

Short careers and International markets are both good.

I would add that only QBs "matter". Meaning it is such a team sport that it is more difficult to really to be the hyped guy on a team other than the QB. Football fans, I think, are much more team oriented fans than I follow a superstar like Basketball or Baseball.

[QUOTE=mjwoop;17627124]I think it comes down to heightened injury risk and shortened careers.[/QUOTE]

Its so this, Look at 2016 Draft who is even selling well from that Dak/Zeke and Henry.. maybe Hill but not really, that was just 5 years ago and most of them have fallen off, compare that to baseball or basketball most of the rookies from those years are just hitting their prime? I mean people will say it is lots of reasons but Not For Long is the biggest reason I believe.

Add to this the reason that football never had a true GOAT the way the NBA did with MJ until recently....

And now what we are seeing that that the very top of football is catching up to the very top of other sports. It seems like once a month now there is a Brady card selling for $1MM. Mahomes is priced higher than any player under 30 other than maybe Luka. Hype and spend builds every year around hot QB rookies.

The issue is just that the drop off is soo steep after the top few guys Aaron Rodgers is an all time great, yet the market for him is just lukewarm. Same with Drew Brees, etc.

Personally, I still see this as opportunity. The fact that it's mostly an North American thing and has less of an overall market seems like opportunity for growth to me.

Baseball is not valuable either.

Your top rookie in chrome sells for $10.
Trout chrome refractor won't even get you $10.

Football is not even 3rd. I would easily put soccer/hockey ahead of it.

[QUOTE=splitrockgamer;17627143]Its so this, Look at 2016 Draft who is even selling well from that Dak/Zeke and Henry.. maybe Hill but not really, that was just 5 years ago and most of them have fallen off, compare that to baseball or basketball most of the rookies from those years are just hitting their prime? I mean people will say it is lots of reasons but Not For Long is the biggest reason I believe.[/QUOTE]

RBs and WRs get no hobby love.

Football market died after Reggie bush/leinhart years.
When rbs/wrs become irrelevant.

Everyone knows not to collect 99.9% of players by now and it shows.

International market means nothing.

Canada with 30 million people can support the hockey market by itself.

Put it this way you aren't pulling paper base rookies for $100+ every year in any other sport.

I can't even get $10 for Trevor Lawrence.

[QUOTE=k13;17627176]Football market died after Reggie bush/leinhart years.
When rbs/wrs become irrelevant.

Everyone knows not to collect 99.9% of players by now and it shows.[/QUOTE]

This is most ignorant thing I've read today...

I've turned $49 into a fortune I could retire off of (if I wanted to live somewhere cheap) and my best investments have been in football.

[QUOTE=k13;17627166]Baseball is not valuable either.

Your top rookie in chrome sells for $10.
Trout chrome refractor won't even get you $10.

Football is not even 3rd. I would easily put soccer/hockey ahead of it.[/QUOTE]

We don’t count soccer as a sport though. Hockey is a sport but only for those pesky Canadians. Go Bolts!

Too bad 80s and early 90's are so overproduced it had the best players to collect.

Not sure how much room vintage football has left.

[QUOTE=tjforce;17627185]This is most ignorant thing I've read today...

I've turned $49 into a fortune I could retire off of (if I wanted to live somewhere cheap) and my best investments have been in football.[/QUOTE]

That's great.
That would be one of .01% of players or dumping hot players that are worthless now.

[QUOTE=k13;17627183]International market means nothing.

Canada with 30 million people can support the hockey market by itself.

Put it this way you aren't pulling paper base rookies for $100+ every year in any other sport.

I can't even get $10 for Trevor Lawrence.[/QUOTE]

Huh? There are 40MIL people in California alone. What does the entire population of a small country have to do with sports cards?

By your reasoning, I should set up a hockey team in Afghanistan. There are more people in that country, than in Canada.

[QUOTE=k13;17627198]Too bad 80s and early 90's are so overproduced it had the best players to collect.

Not sure how much room vintage football has left.[/QUOTE]

Vintage football is still hot. Most things are still going up and are pretty rare. Even the big hyped rookies from the early 2021 boom are keeping steady. There is not much supply of this around. I am sticking to older than 1980 football and some of the early 2000 stuff. Some of the pop reports on early 2000 HOF rookies or potential rookies are insanely low.

[QUOTE=k13;17627166]Baseball is not valuable either.

[B]Your top rookie in chrome sells for $10.[/B]
Trout chrome refractor won't even get you $10.

Football is not even 3rd. I would easily put soccer/hockey ahead of it.[/QUOTE]

So baseball is not valuable because this year's rookie crop is underwhelming? Unless your telling me you can get Acuna/Soto/Vlad/Tatis etc chrome rookies for $10 (I.E. the "top rookies" from the previous classes)

Negating most valuable, football is pretty high in term of collectibility imho. Football breaks sell very well even teams with more vets than rooks, barring the checklist of course. The sales are lower on eveybody outside the very elite, but in shear volume of sales as in different players sold, it’s quite wide. Defensive players do sell and 2nd tier runners and receivers as well. Not saying hundreds of dollars but consistently. Baseball sells well on 2nd tier guys and so does hockey. Regional stars/semistars to use old language lol Basketball is an enigma to me as the hobby largely revolves around the top 10 All-NBA types. Gets old lol

[QUOTE=k13;17627176]Football market died after Reggie bush/leinhart years.
When rbs/wrs become irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for your loss.

[QUOTE=k13;17627183]International market means nothing.[/QUOTE]

Must be why Goodell is working so hard to not play games in Mexico and the UK.

[QUOTE=k13;17627183]
I can't even get $10 for Trevor Lawrence.[/QUOTE]

Not if you keep advertising it as "net to me".


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High prices are driven by sustained excellence. That's hard to do in the NFL, most top RBs only lead the league in rushing for a season or two, then start declining. QB's have an easier time putting up big stats over multiple seasons, and that's why their prices are normally much higher than RB's and WR's. But have a disappointing season, and their prices drop fast.

But for the QB's who are able to have sustained excellence for many seasons like Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers, their prices skyrocket. We've already seen what prices have done for Mahomes after three great seasons, and now for Allen after one great season. So football prices can be high just like with baseball and basketball, it's just harder to have the sustained excellence required for super high prices.

I collect football cards exclusively. I think the cool kids collect football cards. Cool being a relative term since card collecting is pretty nerdy.

I look at the different sports cards like bands:

1. Baseball cards - this is the artists/music your parents and grandparents listen to.
2. Basketball cards - the mainstream teenagers/college kids listen to this.
3. Hockey cards- this is the weird electronica music that one foreign exchange kid in your school likes.
4. Football cards - This is the music a select few of the cool/trendy kids have discovered and listen to right before they become popular and mainstream.

I would go as far as to say, Football is the most collected of all the major US sports.

Just not in terms of cards, which they lag behind baseball (which really kicked off the whole sports card craze 100 years ago). And now basketball cards.

But as far as collecting in general, football game used is a lot bigger market than the other sports. I guess that it helps when you have so many players and teams.

Collecting other stuff, like autographs and signed memorabilia, I think football is the biggest there as well. Look at major shows, most of the players signing are football.

I think most people have some sort of football collectables around their house. Like flags, pics, a mini helmet on their desk at work, team jerseys or just other stuff NFL related.

And things like fantasy football help keep fans engaged as well, even when their team sucks. The other leagues dont have a hook like that. And those fans will keep buying "stuff" team related to collect.

I'm just saying, collecting goes beyond cards. And football is a very big footprint on the collecting market here

LOL at some of these "hot takes"

I'm looking at you k13