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2024-25 Panini Totally Certified Basketball Hobby Box

Just a heads up, these are available for MSRP ($149.99) on [URL="https://www.target.com/p/2024-nba-totally-certified-basketball-hobby-box/-/A-94300088"]Target.com[/URL].

Can't remember the last time I saw (if ever) a basketball hobby configuration available there.

Thanks for the heads up! Picked up 3 to rip!

I bought 3. Hoping they are as good as Hoops Premium Stock Premium Collection

[QUOTE=Chris P;19842969]Thanks for the heads up! Picked up 3 to rip![/QUOTE]

No problem! Best of luck on your rip!

[QUOTE=LionsJets1323;19842973]I bought 3. Hoping they are as good as Hoops Premium Stock Premium Collection[/QUOTE]

Nice!!

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To anyone considering a purchase (as well as anyone who's already purchased), make sure to toggle on the $15 off $90+ Target circle offer for additional savings!

When prices get to $149, the collector community reverses to 2017 positivity again. Rejoice.

Didn't even know Totally Certified was a thing this year, got one to rip with the kids. Thanks for the heads up!

This is a joke. These money tree members have profited so much money the last 5 years and provide no service to customers or Panini that countless millions of others wouldn't provide for a fraction of the profit margins. 2024-25 Basketball it finally comes time for these bums to make much smaller profit margins, break even or lose on some products and this happens?!? They are no longer forced to buy this stuff? It's instead put on Target's website for MSRP. What a crock of bull. Can't wait to see a Panini hobby product put on Target's website people actually want. Oh wait. That will never happen. Much better off selling all of those for 75-79% of MSRP versus full MSRP or above.

Snagged 2. Hoping for the best and good luck everybody!

I'm passing on this. I think with a weak rookie class, most of the wax coming out in the offseason and the fear of a recession, there will be great deals in the summer.

Hope you guys do well. Post your pics, TC has looked really nice lately.

If I'm reading the check list right, there's 14 #'d parallels exclusive to these premium boxes. Should be like Hoops Premium Stock if that's the case, with 8+ #'d cards per box.

[QUOTE=BackToWax;19843420]If I'm reading the check list right, there's 14 #'d parallels exclusive to these premium boxes. Should be like Hoops Premium Stock if that's the case, with 8+ #'d cards per box.[/QUOTE]

You counted all the inserts with "platinum" in the name, correct? If that's the case, then yes I see 14 parallels. The only thing is, those "platinums" exclusive to these Premium boxes are also listed under the Blaster & Mega exclusives on the checklist. How can they be exclusive to the Premium boxes if they are found in other formats. Not sure if that matters though to the number of parallels found per box though.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19843441]Yeah but with no Wemby chase Hoops Premium boxes wouldn't of had half the excitement/interest.[/QUOTE]

True, but that's why those went to like $350 per box or more.

These still have multiple 1/1s, superstar autos, lebron patches, etc. Probably a better buy at $129 vs $149 on these, but not bad if they load them up with hits.

Panini made this really confusing but I think there's "only" 10 premium set parallels (well 11 with the unnumbered Mirror)

I used this article about Totally Certified Retail that Panini posted. [url]https://blog.paniniamerica.net/cap-off-the-2024-25-season-with-panini-totally-certified-nba-retail/[/url]

I made the realization (I could be wrong) that every auto and relic in the Premium Boxes should be numbered based off the parallels in each set. Attached below is some of my work on this with box total number guess and the autos you can get from these which seems very strong for the price. There are still a few duds like Jaden Hardy and Carlos Boozer but overall for a $150 box its not too bad.

Looking at it from outside these aren't as short print as the Premium Stock Premium Boxes but the retail versions are probably lower printed as well with them being Target Exclusive. I still think these are going to be extremely fun and potentially pretty good. The averages put numbered around 7-8 a box.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/j9ZmQtol.png[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/SaBn7Pnl.png[/IMG]

tbf we don't know if these are Target exclusives, they just may be the first to sell them.

wax this year is on such a bad trendline, if you look on the wholesale market, everything is below factory cost, even Prizm.

Awesome! Picked up 3! Thanks!

grabbed 3... thanks for the heads up!

[QUOTE=anusinha;19843678]wax this year is on such a bad trendline, if you look on the wholesale market, everything is below factory cost, even Prizm.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean they are selling below factory cost? I thought BO prices to market? You mean the prices they put on these are absolutely tanking? They sure aren't adjusting presale prices to reflect that. Still can't price anything presale near market value. Gotta make sure they try to artificially manipulate the market on every product. They have no interest in selling anywhere near market price. Absolute joke that Optic Basketball is $370 preorder when it will be actually selling for $250 on release day. I hope these bums get stuck with every last box they are forced to buy.

And it's an absolute joke that Panini isn't forcing the pieces of garbage to buy it all now. The average basketball hobby product the last 5 years Panini has let these people make more profit per box than the total cost Panini is selling them the boxes for. Now it comes time to take a small profit, break even, or a loss and the bums just tell Panini we don't want the boxes now.

They still have yet to set presale on 1 NBA 2024-25 hobby product at MSRP.

[QUOTE=anusinha;19843678]wax this year is on such a bad trendline, if you look on the wholesale market, everything is below factory cost, even Prizm.[/QUOTE]

Below factory cost? It probably costs them about 20 cents a card to produce

[QUOTE=mossoholic;19843175]This is a joke. These money tree members have profited so much money the last 5 years and provide no service to customers or Panini that countless millions of others wouldn't provide for a fraction of the profit margins. 2024-25 Basketball it finally comes time for these bums to make much smaller profit margins, break even or lose on some products and this happens?!? They are no longer forced to buy this stuff? It's instead put on Target's website for MSRP. What a crock of bull. Can't wait to see a Panini hobby product put on Target's website people actually want. Oh wait. That will never happen. Much better off selling all of those for 75-79% of MSRP versus full MSRP or above.[/QUOTE]

This product was discontinued after 2017-18 so your allegation that it was placed on Target's website to save the "money tree" from having to deal with it is unfounded. This isn't the first time a retail-exclusive "premium" product has been offered through Target or Walmart.

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And it's an absolute joke that Panini isn't forcing the pieces of garbage to buy it all now. The average basketball hobby product the last 5 years Panini has let these people make more profit per box than the total cost Panini is selling them the boxes for. Now it comes time to take a small profit, break even, or a loss and the bums just tell Panini we don't want the boxes now.
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Another figment of your imagination. Your allegation that the "money tree" has the right to refuse product and stick it back to Panini is also unfounded.

You are clearly angry about the last 5 years but your obsession has reached unhealthy levels and you are spewing new theories presented as fact. Just so we are all clear, these sentiments are coming from your head and nowhere else.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19843857]This product was discontinued after 2017-18 so your allegation that it was placed on Target's website to save the "money tree" from having to deal with it is unfounded. This isn't the first time a retail-exclusive "premium" product has been offered through Target or Walmart.

Another figment of your imagination. Your allegation that the "money tree" has the right to refuse product and stick it back to Panini is also unfounded.

You are clearly angry about the last 5 years but your obsession has reached unhealthy levels and you are spewing new theories presented as fact. Just so we are all clear, these sentiments are coming from your head and nowhere else.[/QUOTE]

This isn't a retail premium product. It's a hobby product. The boom was not in 2017-18. It's 2020 to now. When from 2020 to now has Panini put a hobby product for sale as anything but a money tree member exclusive or the rare online exclusive? How many through Target for hobby? That number is zero. How many other products has Panini sold through Target the last 5 years? That would be hundreds. Panini could have chosen any point to do this. They just decided to wait until now when the products are worthless? Sure

If this is the only one I'll admit Im wrong. Will you do the same if this happens several times this year? If it does, will there be 1 single time it happens on a great product?

Also, if they have the ability to take products that were mostly all being auctioned and now buy them behind the scenes at negotiated prices why wouldn't they have the ability to refuse product now? Or is this a figment of my imagination to? Just because I can't 100% prove in writing that this is happening when anyone following it knows it is.

2024 Prizm Football FOTL I had 1 of the first orders when no one was buying and a case order seconds before sellout. My 1st order I think for the next 3 drops there were like 100 total orders. Not 100 per drop. 100 total. Even if every single order was a case there were less total orders than total cases. On a product that the lowest case order without tax was around $15,000. They at best auctioned 50% of this. Where the hell do you think it's all going?

I've talked to 3 different people over the last several months that all admitted they are in on this. One guy said everyone knew to buy the Prizm Football Premium sets right away because Panini sold through the allotted amount they would presale to these guys. He got ahold of his guy too late to buy it. Another told me Panini was going to do Prizm Deca Football close to 2 months before it was even announced with not 1 word about this anywhere online. Blez listed double digit Prizm Basketball FOTL cases the day he got them in the mail days after the auction at what would be around a break even price even if he somehow bought them all at the lowest price. Which the odds of that are 0%. The market hadn't changed at all. Why would he be doing that? Most likely, he paid less than people during the auction did. That or he got all of his minimum 50ish cases (between what he broke on his site and had listed for sale) all at the lowest price or below. You won't take my word on any of this Im sure. Not that it matters anyway.

The only reason they even still run auctions is to artificially manipulate the market. Doesn't mean you can't find a decent price here and there. One of the big points of FOTL was to get these products into the hands of normal buyers. We are at a point where almost every auction 99% or higher are going to breakers or money tree members either before or during the auctions.

This "hobby" is the most corrupt business in the world. If Panini is selling these Totally Certified hobby boxes on Target and not to their good buddies there is a reason.

[QUOTE=mossoholic;19843866]
Also, [B]if they have the ability to take products that were mostly all being auctioned and now buy them behind the scenes at negotiated prices[/B] why wouldn't they have the ability to refuse product now? [/QUOTE]

This has been my position from day 1. You do not know what those negotiated prices are. The last time I tried to have this discussion with you, you insisted that the product was being backdoored at a far lower price than Panini could have gotten at public sale. This is the one thing you have never been able to prove and never will: The actual price that the money tree is paying.

If the lowest public sale of 2024 Prizm football was $15,000 as you say, you simply do not know what the remaining 50% was sold at. Your assumption seems to be that it is being sold FAR cheaper. You yourself said that upwards of a billion dollars in profits was simply gifted by Panini to other businesses.

I'm sorry, but it defies logic. You have concluded that Panini is basically a charity who is willing to make Blowout and others rich at their own expense. You would win a Pulitzer Prize if you could ever prove this. It would genuinely be an exciting Netflix mini-series. In a world where everyone is crying about corporate greed, Mossholic has identified the ONE corporation that is willing to make others rich at their own expense. I'd be the first to watch that special if it ever comes to Netflix.

[QUOTE=mossoholic;19843866]This isn't a retail premium product. It's a hobby product. The boom was not in 2017-18. It's 2020 to now. When from 2020 to now has Panini put a hobby product for sale as anything but a money tree member exclusive or the rare online exclusive? How many through Target for hobby? That number is zero. How many other products has Panini sold through Target the last 5 years? That would be hundreds. Panini could have chosen any point to do this. They just decided to wait until now when the products are worthless? Sure

If this is the only one I'll admit Im wrong. Will you do the same if this happens several times this year? If it does, will there be 1 single time it happens on a great product?

Also, if they have the ability to take products that were mostly all being auctioned and now buy them behind the scenes at negotiated prices why wouldn't they have the ability to refuse product now? Or is this a figment of my imagination to? Just because I can't 100% prove in writing that this is happening when anyone following it knows it is.

2024 Prizm Football FOTL I had 1 of the first orders when no one was buying and a case order seconds before sellout. My 1st order I think for the next 3 drops there were like 100 total orders. Not 100 per drop. 100 total. Even if every single order was a case there were less total orders than total cases. On a product that the lowest case order without tax was around $15,000. They at best auctioned 50% of this. Where the hell do you think it's all going?

I've talked to 3 different people over the last several months that all admitted they are in on this. One guy said everyone knew to buy the Prizm Football Premium sets right away because Panini sold through the allotted amount they would presale to these guys. He got ahold of his guy too late to buy it. Another told me Panini was going to do Prizm Deca Football close to 2 months before it was even announced with not 1 word about this anywhere online. Blez listed double digit Prizm Basketball FOTL cases the day he got them in the mail days after the auction at what would be around a break even price even if he somehow bought them all at the lowest price. Which the odds of that are 0%. The market hadn't changed at all. Why would he be doing that? Most likely, he paid less than people during the auction did. That or he got all of his minimum 50ish cases (between what he broke on his site and had listed for sale) all at the lowest price or below. You won't take my word on any of this Im sure. Not that it matters anyway.

The only reason they even still run auctions is to artificially manipulate the market. Doesn't mean you can't find a decent price here and there. One of the big points of FOTL was to get these products into the hands of normal buyers. We are at a point where almost every auction 99% or higher are going to breakers or money tree members either before or during the auctions.

This "hobby" is the most corrupt business in the world. If Panini is selling these Totally Certified hobby boxes on Target and not to their good buddies there is a reason.[/QUOTE]

The box literally says "Premium" on it not hobby.

Target listed it as hobby, but all the other marketing material on the boxes says premium boxes. It's a retail exclusive like preium stock was last year, unless i'm missing something.